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Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
« Reply #120 on: September 14, 2020, 07:07 PM »
Oh yea, once I get the cert of occupancy,

Im going to be adding a whole lot of outlets,

 I need toadd some 220v outlets to

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Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
« Reply #121 on: September 14, 2020, 07:32 PM »
I agree that tons of outlets are GREAT.  But they may come at a cost.  I am not an electrician but I believe that there are limits on the number of receptacles on a circuit.  More might mean more circuits.  More circuits might overload panel boxes and equal supplemental boxes - or even worse cost wise.  Evaluate your realistic needs and don't shoot the moon unless you are prepared to open the wallet so to speak.

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« Reply #122 on: September 15, 2020, 09:32 PM »
Thanks Peter but no worries I got a 100amp panel in the shop  [wink]

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Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
« Reply #123 on: September 17, 2020, 11:57 AM »
Based on how your shop building is treated under your local code are the convenience plugs required to be GFCI? In my area if it built under codes for a garage then GFCI would be required.

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« Reply #124 on: September 19, 2020, 11:24 AM »
Sorry Alan just saw your post, yes they have to be GFCI protected.

Well they installed the lath in prep for the stucco, painter just came to paint the fascia contractor told me its eaiser and theyll do a better job if they paint before the roof is installed, going to stack the roof either later today or next week. Its starting to look like shop....


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Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
« Reply #125 on: September 19, 2020, 05:59 PM »
On the power points, when I built mine I put in more than I thought I would ever need which was 14 in a 6m x 4m shop, plus two roof mounted for the table saw and thicknesser.

Anyway 3 years later I just got the sparky back in to fit another 4....

So my advice whatever your original plan, add 20%.


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Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
« Reply #126 on: September 19, 2020, 06:15 PM »
Very nice, coming together great!

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Oliver
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« Reply #127 on: September 21, 2020, 11:39 AM »
Roofers installed the felt and flashing etc Stack the tile Sat

They came today to install the tile.

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« Reply #128 on: September 21, 2020, 04:06 PM »
How long are they planning on letting the tile sit before installing.
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« Reply #129 on: September 21, 2020, 09:42 PM »
A couple of weeks. Theyll finish stacking tomorrow then framing inspection Wens

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« Reply #130 on: September 22, 2020, 06:12 AM »
A couple of weeks. Theyll finish stacking tomorrow then framing inspection Wens

Not being familiar with tile roofs I'll ask a dumb question.

Why do you need to let the tiles set for a couple weeks before installation.

These are clay tiles which have been fired right?
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« Reply #131 on: September 22, 2020, 12:30 PM »
Believe they are heavy not sure of the type of material. Maybe some sort of ceramic dont know exactly.

 But we set the tiles on the roof to help the framing settle under the weight.

 This helps prevent the stucco from cracking from the structure settling. I see it all the time here in new construction.

 Lots of it going on here. So Ive seen it a lot. Didnt know why until the contractor explained it to me.

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« Reply #132 on: September 22, 2020, 01:34 PM »
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But we set the tiles on the roof to help the framing settle under the weight.

This helps prevent the stucco from cracking from the structure settling. I see it all the time here in new construction.
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Wouldn’t doing the entire roof before the stucco accomplish the same?  Or are the stacks placed to make the settling occur sooner?

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« Reply #133 on: September 22, 2020, 05:39 PM »
Not exactly sure why they do it that way. Maybe because after they stack the roof they usually will have the framing inspection done.




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« Reply #134 on: September 23, 2020, 11:10 AM »
Exciting stuff! I remember the posts/work you did from that small basement looking shop you had across the pond....I knew you’d keep us in updates and I thank you.
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

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« Reply #135 on: September 23, 2020, 06:29 PM »
@RustE

Ok I had a chat with the GC and axed him why they didnt just tile the roof. He said  they could but usually they will call for framing inspection after the framing settles a bit and if it doesnt pass inspection and have to make corrections then they might have to  tear the tiles out repair and retile.


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« Reply #136 on: September 23, 2020, 06:33 PM »
@Vondawg

yah that was a cracker box sized shop. This is going to give me some elbow room when it gets done. Ive been kicking some ideas around. Once the roll up door gets installed then I can start moving in as I can lock the tools up.

Im getting excited about this more and more

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« Reply #137 on: September 23, 2020, 08:28 PM »
I would think like any roof job, having material delivered directly to roof saves effort. No one wants to have to hull them up there manually. Plus it's a place to store them verses the ground where something could happen to them.

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« Reply #138 on: September 24, 2020, 05:05 AM »
I would think like any roof job, having material delivered directly to roof saves effort. No one wants to have to hull them up there manually. Plus it's a place to store them verses the ground where something could happen to them.

Good point, also loading the structure prior to framing inspection makes sense.
There are few tile roofs if any around here.
You will find slate roofs on older homes but not tile.

I geuss with tiles you won't be installing solar panels.
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« Reply #139 on: September 24, 2020, 10:09 AM »

There are few tile roofs if any around here.
You will find slate roofs on older homes but not tile.

I geuss with tiles you won't be installing solar panels.

Often tile roofs in other parts of the country are of a flat design that looks similar to slate.   You can put solar over them too, never have to worry about replacing the shingles under them like you do with fiberglass.

Tile and Concrete roof tiles have moments of popularity as they last very long times, but metal is clearly now the go to material for a long lasting roof vs fiberglass/asphalt shingles.  But where he is, where tile is normal, i'd say it would be the go to option.

Theses other materials are heavy, builders don't want to build the structures to support them.  Look how many roofs barely support themselves.

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« Reply #140 on: September 24, 2020, 02:49 PM »
I noticed that the bars? only are laid horizontally, none vertical to let water pass under.
I do understand you may not see much rain..  [big grin] But look at the photo below, the cross pattern also lets heat escape under very easily, effectively creates a barrier of airflow. The bottom layer always goes vertical.
Here it’s also to let excessive heat from inside escape and cool down not creating ice on the roof, which is dangerous and potentially harms the roof tiles.

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« Reply #141 on: September 24, 2020, 05:27 PM »
I noticed that the bars? only are laid horizontally, none vertical to let water pass under.
I do understand you may not see much rain..  [big grin] But look at the photo below, the cross pattern also lets heat escape under very easily, effectively creates a barrier of airflow. The bottom layer always goes vertical.
Here it’s also to let excessive heat from inside escape and cool down not creating ice on the roof, which is dangerous and potentially harms the roof tiles.

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« Reply #142 on: October 03, 2020, 11:54 PM »
@jobsworth thanks for starting this thread.  I have followed it closely since you started it.  Like you, we purchased a new house.  Our house sits on an acre.  And like you, I am building a shop.  You are a few weeks ahead of me in the process so many of the details in this thread have been helpful.  I decided on 24 X 40 with engineered trusses.  The trusses allowed us to avoid support poles.  I had plenty of power added as suggested by many in this thread.

Enjoy your new shop and thanks again.

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« Reply #143 on: October 03, 2020, 11:59 PM »
Since the tiles have been stacked on the roof, they came out today and set up to do the brown coat, Im not exactly sure if they are going to do the brown coat, they set the roofing then stucco.  But whatever happens Ill let yas know and send photos.

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« Reply #144 on: October 05, 2020, 07:58 PM »
Started and finished the brown coat today. Man they were fast. Im guessing installing the roof will be next. Wont be long now.  Thats my new apprentice inspecting the work

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« Reply #145 on: October 05, 2020, 09:29 PM »
are the holes at the bottom of your wall so animals can roam free? Are they required?

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« Reply #146 on: October 06, 2020, 09:49 PM »
Started and finished the brown coat today. Man they were fast. Im guessing installing the roof will be next. Wont be long now.  Thats my new apprentice inspecting the work
That was the scratch coat not the Brown coat, Brown coat comes next

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« Reply #147 on: October 06, 2020, 09:51 PM »
@DeformedTree

They are required by code for drainage during the moonsoons .

I think the builder over did it.

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« Reply #148 on: October 06, 2020, 11:13 PM »
Believe they are heavy not sure of the type of material. Maybe some sort of ceramic dont know exactly.

 But we set the tiles on the roof to help the framing settle under the weight.

 This helps prevent the stucco from cracking from the structure settling. I see it all the time here in new construction.

 Lots of it going on here. So Ive seen it a lot. Didnt know why until the contractor explained it to me.
yes you preload the roof, the outer walls are bearing walls from the weight of the roof (trusses). If you stacked the roof after the fact then you will get cracks. Nail the stucco wire don’t staple. You want to maintain equal space for the stucco to bond.  There could potentially be settling and the wood might still dry out some. Wait for temps to cool down before doing the stucco.

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« Reply #149 on: October 07, 2020, 10:49 AM »
@mkasdin

Thanks, the temps are starting to cool, Were going to be under a 100 tomorrow and hopefully under 90 next week. First time since mid june we've been that cool here.

Im not in no hurry to get this done I just want it done right with no issues. I also dont bother the guys when they're working I may go out and offer them something cold to drink, water, sports drink etc...