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GENERAL DISCUSSIONS => Workshops and Mobile Vehicle-Based Shops => Topic started by: jobsworth on January 20, 2020, 12:04 PM

Title: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 20, 2020, 12:04 PM
Hi ya'll. Well Im finally making my out of state.  Ya'll know Ive been threatening to do that for a while now.
I thought  Id be moving to Tx but we took a trip to Arizona and the wife found a home thats being built and loves it. So happy wife, happy life.

Well the new home isn a full acre of land and is a blank slate. So I have to get s shop built and electricity ran out to it. The acre has a block wall fence all around it and the house is sorta out in the sticks with state forest land on one side.

Like i said its a blank slate

We all know the larger the better. Realistically we all arent daddy war bucks rolling in doe. I was thinking about  30' X 40' tough shed with a slab foundation, extending the foundation out another 10-15 ft in length so I can add on in the future.

There is a big difference in the price for a 20 x 40 shed to.

Maybe buying a trailer setting up shop in the trailer and using a slab as a work shop as the arizona weather other than the heat in the summer really isnt bad.

I have a 3 car garage I can use until a shop is built. But we'll have a lot of junk to be piled up in it until we get the junk sorted (we got to much junk).

Suggestions please? The house isn't going to be completed until the end of Feb so Im just beating my head up over this now. Thinking what to do, my options i setting up shop....


Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: YOGO100 on January 20, 2020, 12:35 PM
Mark Spagnuolo (a.k.a. the woodwhisperer online) built a shop in Arizona (Phoenix area) a couple of years ago, and documented it for his website (he has since moved to Colorado, I think). I know that this doesn't answer your question directly, but he put a lot of thought into both the size and other requirements for the shop, so it may be worthwhile for you to look it up. I only lived in Tempe for a couple of years, but I would figure that you'd have to give some thought to air conditioning :)
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: ChuckM on January 20, 2020, 01:11 PM
Congrats. Living on an acreage was once my dream (too old to pursue it now).

Not knowing what machines you have or will have for your new shop or the size of the shop you have been using, I'd would say a shop the size of a four-car garage or so would be good for a hobby woodworker, with room for lumber racks and partitioned dust collection.

I'd take 30' x 40'; 20' x 40' is less ideal but workable. I have a shop the size of a 2-car garage...only in the day time, as at night, two cars go in there. And I've been building furniture there from dining tables to cabinets to bookcases, etc.

I'm against the tide when it comes to shop size...the larger is not necessarily the better as I don't want to spend a lot of energy on just walking across the shop to get what I need. I've got used to my compact shop and everything is within reach without taking a hike, if you know what I mean. It is efficiency I'm talking about, not to mention aging is not helping.

Big shops look great, but unless you're a production or active woodworker, depending on the local weather, you may have to spend a lot of money on cooling or heating it. I shut down my shop last whole week because of the deep freeze (highs in the -20C)... to save energy costs. Today is back to +5C high...shop is OPEN.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: vkumar on January 20, 2020, 01:41 PM
Wow congratulations. I can tell you that a 2 car garage size 20 x 20 is not adequate. Depends on whether you will have large stationary machines or not.  A full sized table saw,  jointer, planer, workbench assembly table , compressor can eat up a lot of room. If you are and not planning on having these then you can get by with less. Regardless of this do not skimp on electrical outlets, both 220 and 110 V and sufficient amperage sub panel (100 A). In case of large machines do plan on a ducting system for dust extraction.

Where in Arizona?  Keep us informed of your progress.

Vijay
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Pompeio on January 20, 2020, 03:44 PM
Hi Ron:

My downstairs workshop is 13x26 and I wish it was larger.  I have an 8' Kapex bench, CT26, two tool chests (with one holding two grinders and a mini-lathe) against one long wall. The rear short wall has a CMS holding the 1400, another tool chest with a bench top bandsaw and drill press atop it.  The other long wall has a jointer, portable air compressor, entry door, utility sink and Powermatic 66 table saw.  The MFT3 table sets in the middle of the rear half of the room.   It can get crowded but it works for me. 

I think that 20 or 26 x 26 would be great.  You may want to consider a portion of the area for a spray booth (I currently use the medium and large pop-up HomeRight Spray Shelters).  This would also give you two more walls. 
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: egmiii on January 20, 2020, 04:47 PM
I'm not sure what tools are in your future, but if you ever plan to buy a sliding table saw with sufficient stroke to rip/crosscut full sheets of plywood, then you would need 23' x 16' just for the saw. The price of used machines can make them relatively affordable to hobbyist woodworkers.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 20, 2020, 05:04 PM
After reading some of the responses first , Id like to say thanks for them.  But I also realised maybe I should describe my tools that I use in the shop.

 I have a CMS with a TS75 for a table saw in a GE stand, I have a CMS VL I use for my router table w a 2200 in it,  and other modules I made for it. I have 3 full size MFT 3 a Kapex MFT, Kapex a MFT extension. All my festools are in systainers, TS 55, Domino 500&700, 1010, LR 32, various sanders , 2 CTs 26/22, one has a boom arm, the other has the festool cyclone , Work center with Festool stool. Igot a large vsrety of rails the smallest is a home made 400mm the largest is 3000.
Im currently set up in a standard garage (1 1/2 car garage). Makita 12 planers , Jet 6" jointer, Apollo HVLP.

Its a little tight but I can get things done. I think I may have a old photo of my current shop. Lemme check,

I found one not very good but it will give ya'll a idea of what Im dealing with.

Ok I found a couple




Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Don T on January 20, 2020, 05:26 PM
Welcome to Arizona Ron. I always dreamed of a 30’ X 40’ shop, in my mind that is a perfect size. Unfortunately I work out of a 2 car garage. You will need AC from May to October if plan on building during that time of year.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: rvieceli on January 20, 2020, 05:45 PM
Ron a 30x40 would be a good size even if you don't have a bunch of large stationary machines. Storage space is always at a premium no matter how big you go.

Make sure there are no restrictions on what you can build on your lot. HOA, zoning etc.

Ron
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 20, 2020, 06:22 PM
@vkumar

Im moving to Surprise Az. Lots of building going on there. Fortunately the house Im buying is surrounded by homes on acreage and one side backs up to state forest.
 
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 20, 2020, 06:32 PM

@Don T

Don Ill definately be picking your brain for info once I get out there and get going.
Only supplier I know of there is Peterman Lumber. I think thats one of the hardest things for me is finding where and who are good suppliers are there. Do you use one of those air coolers add water and they blow that cool air or do you use a regular ac unit? I might be in my garage for a while until I get everything set up my ducks all in a row and quacking. Setting up the house is the first thing.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Don T on January 20, 2020, 09:34 PM

@Don T

Don Ill definately be picking your brain for info once I get out there and get going.
Only supplier I know of there is Peterman Lumber. I think thats one of the hardest things for me is finding where and who are good suppliers are there. Do you use one of those air coolers add water and they blow that cool air or do you use a regular ac unit? I might be in my garage for a while until I get everything set up my ducks all in a row and quacking. Setting up the house is the first thing.

You are very close to where I live. I have never been to Petermans. There are a few places to get lumber here, Woodworkers Source, Timbers, and one other that I can’t think of the name.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: tallgrass on January 20, 2020, 09:56 PM
Lots of building going on...... Yup Californians on the run. I wish I could leave now. Enjoy !!!! As far a s perfect shop size. You will expand to fill any size you build. Deals too good to be true.. :) will eventually fill all the free space. Just accept it. Go as big as you can, reasonably. ENJOY!
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 20, 2020, 11:14 PM
@Don T

Petermans is a big outfit they are in Fontana Calif, Las Vegas Nevada and Phoenix.  Just for curiosity I calleed their phoenix store and axed them how much they were getting for a sheet of 3/4 domestic shop birch, they said $52. I called my reg store in Calif Reel Lumber and they were $65 a sheet and Austins was $69 a sheet.

Crazy huh?
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 20, 2020, 11:16 PM
Lots of building going on...... Yup Californians on the run. I wish I could leave now. Enjoy !!!! As far a s perfect shop size. You will expand to fill any size you build. Deals too good to be true.. :) will eventually fill all the free space. Just accept it. Go as big as you can, reasonably. ENJOY!

Im gettin while the gettins good
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Alanbach on January 20, 2020, 11:49 PM
A 40 x 30’ shop would be awesome and the freedom that you would have with a shop that large (compared to what you have now) would be fantastic. Unfortunately it does become about what you can (and are willing to) afford.

Here is what I would recommend you think about. If I understand your profile correctly you are leaving Southern California to move to Sunrise. Make sure that you have a really good understanding what that difference in climate means to your woodworking. I live in Houston and like Sunrise it is Zimbabwe hot, I mean crazy hot and not just for a month or two, maybe 6 months straight! My suggestion is to plan to build a well insulated shop with air conditioning so that you can woodwork year round comfortably. In my opinion a swamp cooler is not going to cut it. If you plan for A/C and budget for that and use those budget numbers to determine the size of your shop I think that would be prudent. Then, once you do that you can always choose to insulate but not install the A/C right away. Then if you discover I was correct and you really need it you will have room left in your budget to take care of it.

Also, when i bought this house 11 years ago I had big plans on projects I was going to both within the shop and the house. Those plans included building my own cabinets in the shop. After a month I hired someone to build my shop cabinets because everything was in boxes and I just could not get organized and set up enough to do what I wanted to do. I realize that you are much more Festooled than I was then and therefore much more mobile but the thought of having to set up shop twice might make you crazy.

Just some random thoughts! Congratulations and I can’t wait to hear and see progress reports!

Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Bob D. on January 21, 2020, 04:46 AM
Include some conduits and maybe ducting under the floor to accommodate future electrical needs and maybe dust collection of possibly an air line. Nice not having to trip over hoses.

LED lighting of course and a minimum 10 foot ceiling.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jeffinsgf on January 21, 2020, 07:58 AM
Following on Bob D.'s comments, the more you plan and build into the space, the less overall space you'll need. Get the ducts, power and air under the floor and you'll need smaller aisles, as well as have a more pleasant work place.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Wooden Skye on January 21, 2020, 11:55 AM
Initially I would do a pole barn that measures 32' x40'. Multiples of 8' generally is better for building materials.  I would insulate extremely well and add plenty of power so you can future proof as much as possible.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jarbroen on January 21, 2020, 01:00 PM
At least as important as the size is how you'll organize it.
You could have a 32'x40' shop and waste a lot of time taking parts from one side to the other.
Conversely, you could have a 16'x20 that's well laid out and efficient to use.


If you're not eating up a bunch of space with equipment like a table saw do you really need huge?  I have a similar set of tools/work surfaces - 2 MFT/CMS, bandsaw, Kapex cart, lathe, DC, planer - and I make it work in a 13'x20 something garage bay.  That's the beauty of Festool mobility/configuration.  Yes, I sometimes have to move things around, but I make the most of the space I have.
Are you setting up a hobby shop?  Or professional?  That makes a difference as well.  If you're hobby like me, the moving around/setup isn't a big deal if I can plan ahead.  If you're doing it professionally you don't want to waste time setting up frequently.

If you're into cars/bikes/etc you could do a 32'x40' and have garage space partitioned from woodshop space.  And only AC in the woodshop. 
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Jiggy Joiner on January 21, 2020, 02:04 PM
Sounds exciting Ron.
I think when planning a workshop, big is best. I would go large, then you are covered for storage, plus any new tool hankerings the future will almost certainly bring.

When we changed workshops last time, there were two on offer. They were both empty, and although one was nearly twice the size of the other, they both looked more than adequate.
I opted for the smaller, as it was in a more convenient location. Not even six months later, I realised I’d made a mistake.

Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Mario Turcot on January 21, 2020, 05:19 PM
If you have or will get a dust collector and air compressor, think of making a dedicated insulated room.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: neilc on January 21, 2020, 06:20 PM
Lot's of discussions on shops on garagejournal.com  @AtomicRyan on the forum here runs that site. 

Suggest you check in there as there are plenty of threads on all facets of building a shop.

Good luck and look forward to following your progress.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: JBag09 on January 21, 2020, 07:59 PM
I just put up at 30x40 pole building a few years ago. I have all my stationary tools on one side of the shop. A spray room and my mft benches and a 4x8 workbench on the other side. I was actually just out there earlier today working on some cabinets I have going right now and never had to walk to the other side of the shop. It just needs to be set up efficiently no matter what size you choose.
  I put 12’ ceilings in so I could run DC, airlines and electric and dropped everything to the machines and benches so nothing lays on the floor. Also I can spin my fS3000 guide rail around with no issue.
  Being in eastern Pa we get fairly hot summers (nothing like AZ or TX) and fairly cold winters (usually 20-30’s F for avg I’d say) I have two 1.5 ton mini splits that do just fine for the hot and cold. Hasn’t changed my electric bill to drastically.
  I used Grizzly’s web site and their free shop layout to get mine figured out, think it was three variations until I got what I wanted.    Good luck with whatever you decide to do and feel free to ask any questions you’d like.


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Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 22, 2020, 10:42 AM
Ok I checked out a shed manufacturer looked at what they call this size a garage.  There is a dramatic price difference between a 20X20 (my current shop size) and a 24X36 their largest size.

Almost $13K difference.

They do have a 24x24 which is about $4K more than the 20x20.

 The 24x24 will give me more room then I currently have and extra money to run the electrical out to the shop, Insulate and add a a/c unit.

My thoughts are, I can lay out the shop more efficiently then my current one giving me more actual working space.

Perhaps add a slab infront of the shop (in the future) , Then put a cover over the slab where I can (when its cooler out) build a cutting table for breaking down sheet goods. The cover will give me shade from the direct sunlight and protect from the occasional rain.

I can always add another shed for more storage.

 I got the go ahead from the the Boss (Mrs Jobby) to get any size I want.

 I dont forsee myself getting any major stationary tools in the future.  I can do pretty much everything I want to do with what I got.

Maybe Im just being a cheap %%^&.

What ya'll think about that decision ?
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Michael Kellough on January 22, 2020, 10:47 AM
How much is the 20x20? Seems like 24x36 would be less than 50% more than 24x24 but since don’t know base price it’s hard to compare. Check another builder?
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 22, 2020, 10:54 AM
The 20x20 is $12K Installed with a garage door and foundation. The 24X24 is $17.5, The 24X36 is $25.6. This look like really well built sheds. Lemme check out tough shed and Ill check their prices again.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Mario Turcot on January 22, 2020, 11:00 AM
@jobsworth honestly it all depend of what you want to craft. You said you can do all you want with what you currently have. 20x20 is what I have and it's difficult to organize a good workflow. 24x24 is a lot more footprint. Yes to me an outside slab is a must. You can use it for a multitude of things, Even have your lunch outside of the shop [wink] spray/paint booth etc..

Do you limit yourself with what you have?
Do you think you could do other interesting projects (insert a lot of if here) you had xxx tool?

If you think one day you will go on production mode, you will need a few stationary power tools.
i.e. I don't have a good thickness planer and no jointer, I am limited to buy prepared wood most of the time. In a production environment this is far from being profitable.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Cheese on January 22, 2020, 11:03 AM
While the 24' x 24' doesn't seem like it's that much larger than what you currently have, square footage wise it's almost 50% larger. 576 sq' versus 400 sq'.

I'd consider a taller ceiling and doing some type of lumber storage in the rafters. That way you free up more floor space.

When I'm doing a project I need to access the lumber rack for only 5% of the project however I need floor space to complete the project for 95% of the project. That lumber rack on the wall just takes up space and gets in my way.  The lumber rack takes up the space that could be used for a Kapex cutting station.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: ChuckM on January 22, 2020, 11:05 AM
The 20x20 is $12K Installed with a garage door and foundation. The 24X24 is $17.5, The 24X36 is $25.6. This look like really well built sheds. Lemme check out tough shed and Ill check their prices again.
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24 x 36 is 50% more than the 24x24 (864-576/576), and that's fairly reflected in the increased price ($25.6-17.5/17.5=46%). At that price, you are getting a fair deal for the bigger size (at least mathematically).

I'd definitely pay more to get the 24x36 as it is a one-time expense and construction costs will only go up in time. My basement is about 1,000, and when I pictured myself using it as my shop, I did not feel it being a huge shop at all given the machines and stuff  I now have. I would regret if I had a chance to build my shop and limit it to 24x24. But then your woodworking output and needs might be different from mine.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 22, 2020, 11:24 AM
You guys make very good points. The Tuff shed price was comparable to the other shed company. But didnt include the foundation.....

Ya know I think Ill got for the large 24X36. If I move when expected, end of Feb, it will give me time to get the shop up and going before the heat comes. Then if I'll have the space I need even if I decide to get some stationary tools in the future.

funny I always used the adage I rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

 I can set up a fridge and a lunch area w/ TV to watch you Tube videos etc. It will be a for real man cave.

Something I always wanted but never had.

 The insulation is a given, so no real decsion making there other then what type of insulation.

Now is the type of A/C unit to get. They come in a variety of styles and types. Split vs window vs portable etc.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Alanbach on January 22, 2020, 11:26 AM
Well all three of these sizes come out to approximately $30/sq ft. Which in my book is great! In my neck of the woods you would be $60-80/sq ft for a stick built garage. My question would be what upgrades does this company offer, like an insulation package for example. Personally i think that you have to enter this thinking that you have one shot to get it right. Let’s face it how many times do we stay with what we started with because changing / adding  / upgrading, after the fact is SO much harder.

As woodworkers, as it pertains to our shops we work with what we have and that shapes everything we do. If you make the decision to go bigger I believe that you will never regret it! It will give you flexibility that you just haven’t had before. I know that you don’t think that you need a lot more space and you are happy with your equipment now but having options might change that going forward.

It sounds like this is a big move for you which in my book means that you might be there a while so I say go for it! Also I have a feeling that you will finish this into a nice space when it’s done. A nice size multi purpose craft building on the property will enhance your resale value in the future. From a real estate perspective I have a feeling that adding usable square footage for $30 ish (even $40 ish) dollars per foot will prove to be a very good investment.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Mario Turcot on January 22, 2020, 11:37 AM
My 20'x20'x9' shop 4 sides roof was 13k. That include walls, doors, windows and outside finish. The slab alone cost me 10k. Because of deep freeze time here, I put a 4' wall on the footing, filled it with sands and a 4" foam. That was to prevent crack, so far so good  [smile]. Then there was the other things to invest in.

Electrical panel and outlets;
LED Lightning;
Insulation;
inside walls finish;
Floor treatment
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Alanbach on January 22, 2020, 12:04 PM
@Mario Turcot - You should have listed “The most beautiful electrical panel known to man”!
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 22, 2020, 12:12 PM
This is going to be quite a adventure. Dont know much about Az other than its desert and gets hot. So my learning curve is going to be steep. I can do most of the electrical work myself. Just need to get the panel ran out to the shed. Which in reality I can do myself, but will faster If I sub it out.

I dont want to do what I always do and thats rush through it to get it done. I want to take my time lay this shop out to where I dont have to and run other outlets etc. I want it to be a one shot deal. Set up right with the ability to adjust for any future tool buys etc
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Michael Kellough on January 22, 2020, 12:14 PM
The 20x20 is $12K Installed with a garage door and foundation. The 24X24 is $17.5, The 24X36 is $25.6. This look like really well built sheds. Lemme check out tough shed and Ill check their prices again.

24x36 seems overpriced.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Mike Goetzke on January 22, 2020, 12:18 PM
The 20x20 is $12K Installed with a garage door and foundation. The 24X24 is $17.5, The 24X36 is $25.6. This look like really well built sheds. Lemme check out tough shed and Ill check their prices again.

24x36 seems overpriced.

They all look around $30/sq-ft.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Michael Kellough on January 22, 2020, 12:20 PM
The 20x20 is $12K Installed with a garage door and foundation. The 24X24 is $17.5, The 24X36 is $25.6. This look like really well built sheds. Lemme check out tough shed and Ill check their prices again.
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24 x 36 is 50% more than the 24x24 (864-576/576), and that's fairly reflected in the increased price ($25.6-17.5/17.5=46%). At that price, you are getting a fair deal for the bigger size (at least mathematically).

I'd definitely pay more to get the 24x36 as it is a one-time expense and construction costs will only go up in time. My basement is about 1,000, and when I pictured myself using it as my shop, I did not feel it being a huge shop at all given the machines and stuff  I now have. I would regret if I had a chance to build my shop and limit it to 24x24. But then your woodworking output and needs might be different from mine.

Not unless they’re including another 24 foot wall across the interior. 24x24 price includes two end walls. 24x36 just adds 12 feet of roof walls and foundation. Incremental additional costs should total less than 50% more.

I’m going on about this because I too think you should go for the bigger space, just don’t think the price  fairly reflects the difference in construction costs.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 22, 2020, 02:57 PM
Tuff shed was a little less but didnt include the foundation and studs looked to be 24 OC where the other one the studs are 2x4 and 16 OC and included the foundation
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Jiggy Joiner on January 24, 2020, 05:36 AM
Ron, just a thought but, would a self build work out more viable financially?
Having said that, self builds often get bespoke/custom as they roll along, tugging at the purse strings.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: JBag09 on January 24, 2020, 04:10 PM
Check our metalbarncentral.com. Looks like they are in the area your going to. I did my 30x40, with pouring the slab for just under 20k, but opposite side of the country. And I had them add some 1/2” insulation board under the metal, definitely seemed to help even before I had the inside finished. Whatever you decide will be well worth the time and effort believe me.


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Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 25, 2020, 12:22 AM
@JBag09

Thanks for the info. I sent them a request for quote and requested the shop be insulated to with stand the Az heat. I went for a 36X36 with a lean to. So lets see what they come up with
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: JBag09 on January 25, 2020, 06:41 AM
@jobsworth , great interested to hear what they come back with. That’s a great size too.
  I studded out the inside of mine and then did r-19 for a total of r-22 with the insulation board and drywall. The ceiling I used a vapor barrier and 1/2” plywood (since I got it for free lol) and then I blew in insulation, ended up around r-60. I did all that myself and I’m sure it saved me ALOT in the end. I think I came in around and 10k, which included all the framing, insulation, electrical, mini splits (my son does this work so he installed them) and a new 5hp dust collector.


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Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on January 25, 2020, 10:12 AM
It will be interesting to see. I did ask them if they could insulate during installation. Just to see if they could and what the cost would be. My thing is to get the shop built and usable quickly.

There is a lot of building going on residential neighborhoods with a lot of residential housing going up. I mean a lot.

I want to set up and capitalize on that.
Building garage cabinets for the front wall of the garage high enough off the ground where they can park their vehicles comfortably. 

Im thinking there will be a need for that and may lead into to other work. Just small jobs what most contractors wont do because its to small of a job. Custom shelves, etc.

 Of course Im retired from my career job, but this will keep me busy and I can use the money to help defray the cost of the shed and for some home improvements of my own.

If i get enough people wanting them I can batch them out. Festool is awesome for that sort work.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Alanbach on January 25, 2020, 06:09 PM
That opens up an interesting two way street. You want to build a shop and you may need some trades to help you get things done quickly. You can stop by nearby home building sites in varying stages of construction and meet many different trades that might be able to do work on your workshop. In the process you will probably meet some guys that, while they are not general contractors they do consolidate a number of different trades for the builder. Those guys can give you work or even work out barter arrangements to get your shop done quickly in exchange for work they might need. Great idea!
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: martin felder on February 16, 2020, 03:47 PM
A couple of thoughts.  Regarding insulation.  I think that is key as this better allows an AC unit to keep up with very high heat and saves utility $.  I think reading about R values is a good use of time. If the framing is 2x4s, consider adding some  strips to have a larger cavity between the studs to accommodate more insulation.  That could be R-Max rigid foam (available Home Depot with high R-value per inch) or the other less expensive easier to install options.I think split is better than window which is better than portable.  A central can be use for larger structures where the air handler is suspended and really, there does not have to be much ducting or any ducting.  That would give maximum cooling.  If you like working in the heat, not a problem.  If not, then it will be no fun when the inside temp is 80+ degrees.

Another thought is that if the structure has windows and you can remove a window and build an enclosure for the dust collector outside the opening where the opening allows the duct to exit (and air return), an advantage could be an ability to empty the bin without a dust cloud inside the shop and that space saved inside the shop can be used for other things. 

Of course all about priorities and personal preferences. 
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: bkharman on February 16, 2020, 04:43 PM
A couple of thoughts.  Regarding insulation.  I think that is key as this better allows an AC unit to keep up with very high heat and saves utility $.  I think reading about R values is a good use of time. If the framing is 2x4s, consider adding some  strips to have a larger cavity between the studs to accommodate more insulation.  That could be R-Max rigid foam (available Home Depot with high R-value per inch) or the other less expensive easier to install options.I think split is better than window which is better than portable.  A central can be use for larger structures where the air handler is suspended and really, there does not have to be much ducting or any ducting.  That would give maximum cooling.  If you like working in the heat, not a problem.  If not, then it will be no fun when the inside temp is 80+ degrees.

Another thought is that if the structure has windows and you can remove a window and build an enclosure for the dust collector outside the opening where the opening allows the duct to exit (and air return), an advantage could be an ability to empty the bin without a dust cloud inside the shop and that space saved inside the shop can be used for other things. 

Of course all about priorities and personal preferences.
Good ideas.

On another note, is your name truly “Martin Felder”?

Cheers. Bryan.



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Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 16, 2020, 05:12 PM
Martin fielder is obviously a pseudonym.
Check out the thread where he first used the monicker and you’ll understand.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Alanbach on February 16, 2020, 11:20 PM
A central can be use for larger structures where the air handler is suspended and really, there does not have to be much ducting or any ducting.  That would give maximum cooling.

I have a ten foot ceiling in my garage and an exterior wall so I had an A/C contractor hang a central A/C (with a small electric heating strip). The evaporator coil and air handler hang from the ceiling in the space just above the garage doors. There is a small plenum with one duct. It works amazingly well and I am in Houston where it is very common to have 5 months of 90 plus degree weather with dozens of those days potentially being 100 degrees plus.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on May 12, 2020, 06:04 PM
Been a while since I posted a update. Today the county came out surveyed the area where the shop is going to be built took some photos for the permits. So its progressing. I got a feeling that hos will be one of those things that drag and drag and drag but once it starts going bam itsll be done fast. (fingers crossed)
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Mario Turcot on May 13, 2020, 10:32 PM
Good luck and keep posting slacker  [wink]
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Thompmd on May 13, 2020, 11:21 PM
I have about a 30x30 for the main shop then other adjacent space for larger wood and regular tools. I didn’t build myself.

—will there be other uses(vehicles, seasonal storage, etc
—be careful what size O/H door you get as you lose a lot of space/efficiency . Also consider where your service door is in regards to moving things in/out. I would opt for a more rectangular shop as wall space vs center of the room floor space for me would be more valuable. I would also ask myself what are your biggest 3 issues in your current space as well as what you like about your current space

How exciting it must be, congratulations!!!
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: CeeJay on May 13, 2020, 11:58 PM
I have a shop in Queensland Australia. Similar heat to AZ but higher humidity. It is south facing and shaded by a taller structure to the north, and fairly well insulated. It doesn’t have AC and I can comfortably work through 35degree (C) summer with door and window (both south facing) open, I do however have an 84” Big Ass ceiling fan which is fantastic.

Pretty small shop - 18’ by 14’. I’ve got a full sized table saw, jointer, thicknesser, workbench, mitre station, bandsaw, ducted DC, some storage and no room for anything else! Tall ceilings at 12’ which helps. Lots of racks etc to allow storage above machines etc.


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Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on May 14, 2020, 10:43 AM
@CeeJay

Ceiling fans are on my list to put in. Not sure how many yet. Im guessing maybe 3.

@Thompmd

This is a stand alone shop nothing else going in it. It will have a 8 x 10 storage shed built on to it. I got enough land if I need more storage I can always just build another shed. It would be out of siding and Id build that myself.

Since I have pretty much all festools the only stationary tool is my jet jointer. The rest are festool/bench top tools. I use my CMS GE with my TS 75 for a table saw and my CMS VL for a router table and made modules out of plywood for other bench top tool to mount in them.

Like my Ca shop Ill get some spur shelving to set the modules /bench top tools on. Ill definately be utilising the walls. As far as additional storage lumber etc, Im thinking of building a leanto on one of the exterior walls a place to store my landscaping tools .

Its all in my mind at this time. Wont know until its actually built and Im setting it up and resetting up and and until Im happy with the lay out for work flow.

Im thinking work flow will determine shop lay out. a Guido type  wall along the back should do me about right for Systainers small parts storing finish etc.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on June 16, 2020, 12:22 AM
Signed the contract today, they should be digging for the slab by the end of the week.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: CeeJay on June 16, 2020, 12:48 AM
Signed the contract today, they should be digging for the slab by the end of the week.
That’s pretty exciting! We did this 4 years ago. Took 12 months from signing contract to moving in. But that was for whole block and house inc workshop.


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Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Don T on June 16, 2020, 01:17 AM
@CeeJay

Ceiling fans are on my list to put in. Not sure how many yet. Im guessing maybe 3.

@Thompmd

This is a stand alone shop nothing else going in it. It will have a 8 x 10 storage shed built on to it. I got enough land if I need more storage I can always just build another shed. It would be out of siding and Id build that myself.

Since I have pretty much all festools the only stationary tool is my jet jointer. The rest are festool/bench top tools. I use my CMS GE with my TS 75 for a table saw and my CMS VL for a router table and made modules out of plywood for other bench top tool to mount in them.

Like my Ca shop Ill get some spur shelving to set the modules /bench top tools on. Ill definately be utilising the walls. As far as additional storage lumber etc, Im thinking of building a leanto on one of the exterior walls a place to store my landscaping tools .

Its all in my mind at this time. Wont know until its actually built and Im setting it up and resetting up and and until Im happy with the lay out for work flow.

Im thinking work flow will determine shop lay out. a Guido type  wall along the back should do me about right for Systainers small parts storing finish etc.
You should get a Bigass Fan
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: RJNeal on June 16, 2020, 08:12 AM
Congratulations, enjoy.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on June 22, 2020, 06:25 PM
Rather than start a new thread, Ill just keep this one going. So today it begins.
they came out and dug the trenches for the footings.


Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Thompmd on June 22, 2020, 06:35 PM
How cool! I look forward to following the build, there can’t be sawdust soon enough and with a good dust extractor there won’t be any lol
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Rob Z on June 22, 2020, 07:15 PM
Hey Jobby

I had forgotten about your shop build thread. Very exciting for you.  To save having to re-read everything, what are the dimensions you decided on?

Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Rob Z on June 22, 2020, 11:01 PM
Hello again Jobby

Earlier I was going to joke and ask how deep do those footings need to be, about 1/2" ?   [big grin]  So, then I decided to look it up and found this reference. This says 0 to 2" , seems funny to read that!

https://efotg.sc.egov.usda.gov/references/public/AZ/Frost_depth.pdf

And what did you decide about cooling the shop? 
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on June 23, 2020, 12:46 AM
@RobZ

cooling the shop......

 Im adding some ceiling fans, I havent really put a lot of thought into cooling it yet. I haven't rulled out a swamp cool or split unit.
Ive been thinking more about setting it up  but cooling not really as it should be completed the mid-end of August then we should be cooling down a few weeks after its completed.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Vondawg on June 23, 2020, 07:18 AM
Now that’s a fence...I assume the blocks left out on the bottom are incase of flash flooding ??
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on June 23, 2020, 09:59 PM
@Vondawg

 yeah the fence is designed for drainage when it rains here.

 That fence completely surrounds the back and its 6ft high, I have a full acre and the fence surrounds most of it;

@Thompmd

I cant wait to get it built and start setting the shop up. Been waiting a long time to have a dedicated shop.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on August 04, 2020, 12:02 PM
Well Guys footings passed inspection today will pour concrete Tomorrow or Thurs, Trusses and framing lumber ordered, so things are going to start moving finally......about time.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: demographic on August 04, 2020, 02:37 PM
Have you considered building it out of SIPS panels which are strong and easy to seal up for airtightness.

Very well insulated and consequently you can condition the internal air far cheaper and more effectively.
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: Roseland on August 04, 2020, 02:54 PM
It's amazing what you can do in a small space:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG8mMPZEeEQ

Andrew
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: rst on August 04, 2020, 03:31 PM
Just had a 30 x 36 polebarn built by an Amish contractor.  One 12 x 30 room for garage, the rest is my shop, no windows and I'm having the interior including roof spray foamed 2".
Title: Re: Whats a good shop size?
Post by: jobsworth on August 04, 2020, 09:48 PM
@rst

thats awesome , bet yer as excited as I am about getting a shop. Yup cement being pour tomorrow  [big grin]
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess(Changed Name from what size shop)
Post by: jobsworth on August 13, 2020, 02:17 PM
Up date, got the footings inspected and poured, pad leveled waiting for pre pour insspection for the slab

all ready to go. it should be progressing pretty fast framing and trusses next week


Oh the little sweety in the photo is our new girl Cassie.

 We got her at 5 weeks and now she's a few days short of being 2 months. I suspect she'll be spending a lot of time with me in the shop








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Post by: rst on August 13, 2020, 04:04 PM
New shop, new dog...life is good
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: ScotF on August 13, 2020, 08:09 PM
AWESOME! Cannot wait to see the progress pics. Love your dog, too!
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 13, 2020, 10:36 PM
@ScotF

She keeps me busy. [big grin]
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: RustE on August 14, 2020, 11:11 AM
...
it should be progressing pretty fast framing and trusses next week
...

Are the straps required by code? Figured bolts would be sufficient in Arizona.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 14, 2020, 04:56 PM
straps were decided by the engineer, there are bolts also.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 14, 2020, 05:00 PM
they finished pouring the slab this morning started at about 0430, also had the framing lumber delivered.

Trusses should be here by mid week



Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: Alanbach on August 14, 2020, 09:08 PM
Looks great! What size did you end up going with?
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 14, 2020, 11:53 PM
25 x 30 with a 8 x 12 shed/ bump out. didnt think it would do me I thought I needed a larger shop but after the slab was poured it looks just about the right size for what i need
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: RustE on August 15, 2020, 10:36 AM
I’m curious to see how the roof trusses go over the 8x12 vestibule. Always thought it would be nice to get some covered outdoor space in a shop build.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: six-point socket II on August 15, 2020, 10:49 AM
Another great thread I nearly missed ... Bookmarked.

Kind regards,
Oliver
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 15, 2020, 02:06 PM
They started framming at 0600 this morning this was taken at 0900 they are moving fast and still out there. Ill post some at the end of the day

Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: Scott in Bend on August 15, 2020, 02:37 PM
Hey Jobby, 

At 110 degrees, that slab must have hardened enough overnight to be walkable!  I like your shop size.  It should be perfect for a one-man show.

What happened to your plans of moving to the Pacific Northwest?
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 15, 2020, 08:08 PM
@Scott in Bend

"What happened to your plans of moving to the Pacific Northwest?"

The wife  [big grin]
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 15, 2020, 08:11 PM
Ok frammers knocked it out today, next is the trusses theyre gonna be delievered early next week

took a photo to give a idea of the bump out insde the shop and out

Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: FestitaMakool on August 15, 2020, 08:49 PM
Wow!
You could say that’s fast moving.. And it’s huge!
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: Alanbach on August 15, 2020, 09:38 PM
Looks fantastic! After waiting a bit you have to be ecstatic to see this kind of quick progress! Congrats!
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: RJNeal on August 15, 2020, 09:52 PM
Nice. How many guys were there?
Looks like they kick tail, and with the heat.
Ron, looks like 10’walls?
Rick
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: Bob D. on August 16, 2020, 09:11 AM
Looking good.

Is the bump out going to be mechanical space. HVAC, air compressor, dust collector, etc.

It's great when you can get that stuff out of the shop area, especially for the reduction in noise from the compressor and dust collection.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 16, 2020, 07:55 PM
@Bob D.

Bump out is for storage stuff i dont want in the garage so we can park in it.

Once I finish the shop a storage shed is next.

 Ill build that myself. Ill use the bump out for things that i dont want in the shop itself. maybe even make a office out of it, put my fridge, microwave, coffee pot, water cooler etc etc.

I only use a small 1 hp senco compressor, my HVLP is turbine, my tools are all electric (99% festool).

Im going to be building a lot of storage cabinets for the garage you know water bottles, drinks, TP, paper towels you know....
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 16, 2020, 07:58 PM
@RJNeal
there were 5 frammers, they were good at their jobs. Yup I got me 10' walls, pleanty of room for wall storage and even some overhead storage.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: RJNeal on August 16, 2020, 08:03 PM
Sweet. It’s going to be a nice shop.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: FestitaMakool on August 18, 2020, 05:51 PM
@RJNeal
there were 5 frammers, they were good at their jobs. Yup I got me 10' walls, pleanty of room for wall storage and even some overhead storage.

Clever with the bump out.. Makes me think that general garage owners here should have a peak in here to se how a garage should and could look like, and more importantly see how much (nice) stuff that actually can fit in a garage utilising the walls and overhead. And most will even fit two cars if the precious tools are wheeled to the side [wink]. The common sight: an enormous pile on the floor, and a small week cleaning out before one car can fit inside, which is never done.

Looking forward to how you decide the layout.
I miss my late garage..
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: rvieceli on August 18, 2020, 06:00 PM
@FestitaMakool if you’d like some schooling on garage/shop possibilities, you need to head on over to www.garagejournal.com  [wink]

You may never be the same again.  [eek]

Make sure to check out the forums.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/

Garage Gallery is pretty amazing.

Ron
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 18, 2020, 08:35 PM
Trusses delivered today. Frammers are supposed to be back fri or Sat.

Also found out that there were 3 journeyman frammers ad 2 laborers
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: rvieceli on August 18, 2020, 09:21 PM
@jobsworth

What's the scoop on the exterior and the roof? Stucco? Shingle, tile, metal?

Looking good so far. Isn't it 115 or something out there?

Ron
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 19, 2020, 01:46 PM
@rvieceli

Outside is going to be stucco. Since I bought a new house I wanted the shop to match the house exactly. So it will be stucco same stucco used on my home , same with roof tiles and windows. Ill be building some outbuilding like a green house storage shed etc etc Im not concerned about tem matching the house but the shop yes
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 22, 2020, 07:53 PM
Started setting the trusses at 0600 this morning were there all day. Ill take more photos tomorrow. Last time I checked around 4 pm looked like they were about done with everything.


Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: rst on August 23, 2020, 08:43 AM
Getting closed in is always a milestone.  The Amish crew that did mine put the trusses up sans crane from the ground, so guys (and kids, 12 and 14 year sons) were working beasts.  Foam installers knocked my building out Wednesday.  Waiting for 10' x 9' overhead door installed and commercial steel 42" door and frame ordered.  Moved in equipment that I could chain up or put into job box and hung one row of LED light strips.  Powered lights with Honda EU2200 since power not run yet.  Heading to Lowes to pick up 30 sheets of 1/2" ply to put ceiling and wall where wifey will park her chariot.  I'll end up with 22' x 30' shop space. 
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 23, 2020, 02:58 PM
@rst

sounds like yours is coming right along to. Id like to see them Amish set thost trusses w/o a crane. That would be something to see.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 23, 2020, 03:04 PM
I guess I didnt post photos of the shop after the trusses were set an the frammers were finished, dont know whats next, Im guessing the sub panel and water line. Windows are on order dont know when to expect them shouldnt be to long a lead time

Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: rst on August 23, 2020, 05:27 PM
My 36' side has three 10' bays but only one has a 9' high door.  We live in small central PA boro and I'm 67 and figure that if we eventually sell that someone may want three car bays.
Title: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: RustE on August 23, 2020, 07:13 PM
My 36' side has three 10' bays but only one has a 9' high door.
...

That’s a popular design. One high bay in the middle and two standards on each side.

At least you went with 10ft width, as I’ve seen some garages built way too narrow for opening car doors.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: rst on August 24, 2020, 11:58 AM
All the bays are 10', I drive a 3/4 ton Ford van, not getting into anything less without turning the mirrors inward.  Wife's walled in space is at one end, one exterior door entering that space.  Plan on getting everything into the shop with 60" slider in interior wall after overhead door.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 24, 2020, 07:45 PM
Sounds like you put a lot of thought into yer shop. 

Were going to park out cars in the garage.

Get them out of the sun in the heat of the summer
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: rst on August 24, 2020, 09:12 PM
Just one car per season, wifes 2008 Audi TT Quattro convertible  in summer, Toyota 4Runner during snow season.  We've rented a garage bay since my oldest daughter graduated from college...$50.00/month...she's now 36, that's  where tje TT lives out tje winter
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: RustE on August 24, 2020, 11:15 PM
Just one car per season, wifes 2008 Audi TT Quattro convertible  in summer, Toyota 4Runner during snow season.
...

Bought a 2019 4Runner late last year. But then not much snow.

Arguably, the winters in NE Ohio and NW PA can be brutal on vehicles.

Oh, and, sadly I’m too tall to find the Audi TT enjoyable.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 25, 2020, 08:06 PM
Roofing tiles were delivered today
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: rst on August 26, 2020, 05:06 AM
Tiles, very much in character for your area.  I only know of one house, outside Lewisburg, in our area.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 26, 2020, 12:03 PM
Since the shop is going to match the house, theyre the same roofing tiles that we have on my home. Here in the SW tiles are the way to go
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 29, 2020, 08:31 PM
Sparkies came today and did rough in.

They still have to put the 100 amp panel in.

Waiting on windows theyre on order



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Post by: Bob D. on August 29, 2020, 09:06 PM
Coming along nicely.
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Post by: Thompmd on August 30, 2020, 08:08 AM
If I missed it, sorry. Are you going to spray foam the walls? I did in mine and loved it . Great r value and strength and rigidity are amazing. Only big down fall is if you have to get back in the wall to run something... let’s call it yucky

Got to be exciting watching it come alive
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on August 30, 2020, 11:20 AM
Not sure on the type of insulation yet.

 That will be the one of the last things I will do. The last thing will be wall covering havent decided on that yet. Got plenty of time for that though.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: RustE on August 30, 2020, 01:01 PM
Not sure on the type of insulation yet.
...

A friend of mine in the insulation business is really fond of wet-spray cellulose as the ‘bang for your buck’ wall insulation.  I’m not sure if it’s commonly used in your area versus his (N.E Ohio).
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Post by: jobsworth on August 30, 2020, 03:33 PM
Im in Az so the insulation would be more for keeping the cold in and the heat out :>D.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: FestitaMakool on September 03, 2020, 06:38 PM
Not sure on the type of insulation yet.
...

A friend of mine in the insulation business is really fond of wet-spray cellulose as the ‘bang for your buck’ wall insulation.  I’m not sure if it’s commonly used in your area versus his (N.E Ohio).

Cellulose is great for walls and framing containing wood as yours jobsworth. If you do not install a sealed barrier (typically plastic membrane) cellulose or wood fibre based insulation is mandatory as it will absorb any condensation slowly, and then let the moisture evaporate slowly again. Any glass based, rock based insulation or similar that doesn’t absorb moisture (condensation) will drip slowly down to underlying framing when cooling off. It’s a timeline to rot.
Both in Sweden and here, cellulose based insulation has become the choice for old houses. But increasingly popular in new builds as well. Pricing is higher, but gain is slightly better insulation and a green choice - Other benefits may be; healthier, non itching, no need to dress in protective clothing, smells good (wood like) and quite pleasant to work with. I used to hate insulating jobs, but now it’s pleasant and slightly fun because it’s like very soft wood.
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Post by: jobsworth on September 10, 2020, 12:23 PM
Got the windows and door installed. Looks like its coming together

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Post by: AnthonyE on September 12, 2020, 10:48 AM
Coming in late on this one but this must be very exciting for you!!  I wish I came slightly earlier just to give my 2 cents about power and receptacles.  Put in twice as many as you think you'll need.  You cannot have too many outlets!!  I'm obviously a little late saying this but you can always throw some more in yourself before closing in the walls.  As a master electrician I can't emphasize this point enough to people.

Otherwise this build is looking great!  I'm very jealous as I'm in a basement where space is always tight.
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Post by: FestitaMakool on September 14, 2020, 06:54 PM
Coming in late on this one but this must be very exciting for you!!  I wish I came slightly earlier just to give my 2 cents about power and receptacles.  Put in twice as many as you think you'll need.  You cannot have too many outlets!!  I'm obviously a little late saying this but you can always throw some more in yourself before closing in the walls.  As a master electrician I can't emphasize this point enough to people.

Otherwise this build is looking great!  I'm very jealous as I'm in a basement where space is always tight.

Wisely said, you (almost) cannot have too many outlets. In my late garage my electrician looked at me and said: How many? All these places? - I never regretted splashing out on outlets. Very good lighting and more than enough outlets spread around was the real pleasure of a new space, this time I’m even getting more  [big grin]
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Post by: jobsworth on September 14, 2020, 07:07 PM
Oh yea, once I get the cert of occupancy,

Im going to be adding a whole lot of outlets,

 I need toadd some 220v outlets to
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Post by: Peter Halle on September 14, 2020, 07:32 PM
I agree that tons of outlets are GREAT.  But they may come at a cost.  I am not an electrician but I believe that there are limits on the number of receptacles on a circuit.  More might mean more circuits.  More circuits might overload panel boxes and equal supplemental boxes - or even worse cost wise.  Evaluate your realistic needs and don't shoot the moon unless you are prepared to open the wallet so to speak.

Peter
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Post by: jobsworth on September 15, 2020, 09:32 PM
Thanks Peter but no worries I got a 100amp panel in the shop  [wink]
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: Alanbach on September 17, 2020, 11:57 AM
Based on how your shop building is treated under your local code are the convenience plugs required to be GFCI? In my area if it built under codes for a garage then GFCI would be required.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on September 19, 2020, 11:24 AM
Sorry Alan just saw your post, yes they have to be GFCI protected.

Well they installed the lath in prep for the stucco, painter just came to paint the fascia contractor told me its eaiser and theyll do a better job if they paint before the roof is installed, going to stack the roof either later today or next week. Its starting to look like shop....

Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: CeeJay on September 19, 2020, 05:59 PM
On the power points, when I built mine I put in more than I thought I would ever need which was 14 in a 6m x 4m shop, plus two roof mounted for the table saw and thicknesser.

Anyway 3 years later I just got the sparky back in to fit another 4....

So my advice whatever your original plan, add 20%.


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Post by: six-point socket II on September 19, 2020, 06:15 PM
Very nice, coming together great!

Kind regards,
Oliver
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Post by: jobsworth on September 21, 2020, 11:39 AM
Roofers installed the felt and flashing etc Stack the tile Sat

They came today to install the tile.

Photos to follow
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: Don T on September 21, 2020, 04:06 PM
How long are they planning on letting the tile sit before installing.
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Post by: jobsworth on September 21, 2020, 09:42 PM
A couple of weeks. Theyll finish stacking tomorrow then framing inspection Wens
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Post by: Bob D. on September 22, 2020, 06:12 AM
A couple of weeks. Theyll finish stacking tomorrow then framing inspection Wens

Not being familiar with tile roofs I'll ask a dumb question.

Why do you need to let the tiles set for a couple weeks before installation.

These are clay tiles which have been fired right?
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on September 22, 2020, 12:30 PM
Believe they are heavy not sure of the type of material. Maybe some sort of ceramic dont know exactly.

 But we set the tiles on the roof to help the framing settle under the weight.

 This helps prevent the stucco from cracking from the structure settling. I see it all the time here in new construction.

 Lots of it going on here. So Ive seen it a lot. Didnt know why until the contractor explained it to me.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: RustE on September 22, 2020, 01:34 PM
...
But we set the tiles on the roof to help the framing settle under the weight.

This helps prevent the stucco from cracking from the structure settling. I see it all the time here in new construction.
...

Wouldn’t doing the entire roof before the stucco accomplish the same?  Or are the stacks placed to make the settling occur sooner?
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on September 22, 2020, 05:39 PM
Not exactly sure why they do it that way. Maybe because after they stack the roof they usually will have the framing inspection done.



Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: Vondawg on September 23, 2020, 11:10 AM
Exciting stuff! I remember the posts/work you did from that small basement looking shop you had across the pond....I knew you’d keep us in updates and I thank you.
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Post by: jobsworth on September 23, 2020, 06:29 PM
@RustE

Ok I had a chat with the GC and axed him why they didnt just tile the roof. He said  they could but usually they will call for framing inspection after the framing settles a bit and if it doesnt pass inspection and have to make corrections then they might have to  tear the tiles out repair and retile.

Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on September 23, 2020, 06:33 PM
@Vondawg

yah that was a cracker box sized shop. This is going to give me some elbow room when it gets done. Ive been kicking some ideas around. Once the roll up door gets installed then I can start moving in as I can lock the tools up.

Im getting excited about this more and more
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: DeformedTree on September 23, 2020, 08:28 PM
I would think like any roof job, having material delivered directly to roof saves effort. No one wants to have to hull them up there manually. Plus it's a place to store them verses the ground where something could happen to them.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: Bob D. on September 24, 2020, 05:05 AM
I would think like any roof job, having material delivered directly to roof saves effort. No one wants to have to hull them up there manually. Plus it's a place to store them verses the ground where something could happen to them.

Good point, also loading the structure prior to framing inspection makes sense.
There are few tile roofs if any around here.
You will find slate roofs on older homes but not tile.

I geuss with tiles you won't be installing solar panels.
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Post by: DeformedTree on September 24, 2020, 10:09 AM

There are few tile roofs if any around here.
You will find slate roofs on older homes but not tile.

I geuss with tiles you won't be installing solar panels.

Often tile roofs in other parts of the country are of a flat design that looks similar to slate.   You can put solar over them too, never have to worry about replacing the shingles under them like you do with fiberglass.

Tile and Concrete roof tiles have moments of popularity as they last very long times, but metal is clearly now the go to material for a long lasting roof vs fiberglass/asphalt shingles.  But where he is, where tile is normal, i'd say it would be the go to option.

Theses other materials are heavy, builders don't want to build the structures to support them.  Look how many roofs barely support themselves.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: FestitaMakool on September 24, 2020, 02:49 PM
I noticed that the bars? only are laid horizontally, none vertical to let water pass under.
I do understand you may not see much rain..  [big grin] But look at the photo below, the cross pattern also lets heat escape under very easily, effectively creates a barrier of airflow. The bottom layer always goes vertical.
Here it’s also to let excessive heat from inside escape and cool down not creating ice on the roof, which is dangerous and potentially harms the roof tiles.

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Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: Bob D. on September 24, 2020, 05:27 PM
I noticed that the bars? only are laid horizontally, none vertical to let water pass under.
I do understand you may not see much rain..  [big grin] But look at the photo below, the cross pattern also lets heat escape under very easily, effectively creates a barrier of airflow. The bottom layer always goes vertical.
Here it’s also to let excessive heat from inside escape and cool down not creating ice on the roof, which is dangerous and potentially harms the roof tiles.

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I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: SoonerFan on October 03, 2020, 11:54 PM
@jobsworth thanks for starting this thread.  I have followed it closely since you started it.  Like you, we purchased a new house.  Our house sits on an acre.  And like you, I am building a shop.  You are a few weeks ahead of me in the process so many of the details in this thread have been helpful.  I decided on 24 X 40 with engineered trusses.  The trusses allowed us to avoid support poles.  I had plenty of power added as suggested by many in this thread.

Enjoy your new shop and thanks again.
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Post by: jobsworth on October 03, 2020, 11:59 PM
Since the tiles have been stacked on the roof, they came out today and set up to do the brown coat, Im not exactly sure if they are going to do the brown coat, they set the roofing then stucco.  But whatever happens Ill let yas know and send photos.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on October 05, 2020, 07:58 PM
Started and finished the brown coat today. Man they were fast. Im guessing installing the roof will be next. Wont be long now.  Thats my new apprentice inspecting the work
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: DeformedTree on October 05, 2020, 09:29 PM
are the holes at the bottom of your wall so animals can roam free? Are they required?
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on October 06, 2020, 09:49 PM
Started and finished the brown coat today. Man they were fast. Im guessing installing the roof will be next. Wont be long now.  Thats my new apprentice inspecting the work
That was the scratch coat not the Brown coat, Brown coat comes next
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on October 06, 2020, 09:51 PM
@DeformedTree

They are required by code for drainage during the moonsoons .

I think the builder over did it.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: mkasdin on October 06, 2020, 11:13 PM
Believe they are heavy not sure of the type of material. Maybe some sort of ceramic dont know exactly.

 But we set the tiles on the roof to help the framing settle under the weight.

 This helps prevent the stucco from cracking from the structure settling. I see it all the time here in new construction.

 Lots of it going on here. So Ive seen it a lot. Didnt know why until the contractor explained it to me.
yes you preload the roof, the outer walls are bearing walls from the weight of the roof (trusses). If you stacked the roof after the fact then you will get cracks. Nail the stucco wire don’t staple. You want to maintain equal space for the stucco to bond.  There could potentially be settling and the wood might still dry out some. Wait for temps to cool down before doing the stucco.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on October 07, 2020, 10:49 AM
@mkasdin

Thanks, the temps are starting to cool, Were going to be under a 100 tomorrow and hopefully under 90 next week. First time since mid june we've been that cool here.

Im not in no hurry to get this done I just want it done right with no issues. I also dont bother the guys when they're working I may go out and offer them something cold to drink, water, sports drink etc...
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on October 17, 2020, 11:49 AM
Yesterday the guys came back out and finished the stucco. Rechecked the color and it does not match. They took the scaffolding so I thought they were done. Maybe theyre gonna paint it to match
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on October 27, 2020, 09:23 PM
They came out today and dug the trench for the electrical. got 2 photos one from the man panel to the gate and from the gate to the shop panel. Im getting surgery friday to fix my ankle so Im going to be laid up for a bit about 4 weeks then back at it better than ever  [big grin]

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Post by: jobsworth on October 28, 2020, 08:09 PM
Conduit was laid and wires ran, It passed inspection today
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Post by: Don T on October 29, 2020, 12:14 AM
You are almost there.
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Post by: jobsworth on October 29, 2020, 10:39 AM
Yeah getting close. 
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Post by: six-point socket II on October 29, 2020, 01:45 PM
Best wishes for your surgery & a speedy recovery!

Kind regards,
Oliver
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Post by: HarveyWildes on October 29, 2020, 01:55 PM
Nice shop, not too long before you get to use it now.


What are you doing for cooling and insulation?  Are you finishing the interior walls, or are you going to leave the studs visible?
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on October 29, 2020, 04:51 PM
Im going to run some more electrical then get it insulated. Going to finish the walls to just not sure with what
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: RustE on October 29, 2020, 06:03 PM
Yesterday the guys came back out and finished the stucco. Rechecked the color and it does not match. They took the scaffolding so I thought they were done. Maybe theyre gonna paint it to match

Or does the color change a bit when the top coat fully cures?
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on November 01, 2020, 11:05 AM
Funny you should ax about the color.
The Painter was out yesterday painted the shop/ fascia etc. The deal was it was supposed to match my house exactly.
 So I axed the contractor who built my house what was the color scheme and where did he get the paint. He gave me the scheme. The contractor ordered the paint (said he had $1000 in paint and materials) so the painter started a painted the shop. Then we noticed it was the wrong color. It was the color of my neighbors house (the builder built something like 16 houses) so he must of gotten confused.

Anyway, Im not going to penalize the contractor for the builders mistake. It still looks good Im happy with it. He said the roofers and sparkys will be out this week to finish it (finally).  [thumbs up] .

There is another hiccup , the insulated roll up door is delayed with a 5 week back order. So the plan is for him to install a regular garage door to pass inspection ad get the cert of occupancy. The when the roll up is completed he'll come and install it.

Im on a med hold right now had surgery  on my right ankle. Its been hurting me for years and finally got it taken care of had a bone spur and a piece of bone that was rubbing on the tendon so I was hurting bad.

 Any way I got a photo of the painted shop and my boot and wrap thats under the boot.

The photo of the shop is taken from a distance as I couldnt get closer wearing the boot on one foot and bare foot on the other.

So I plan on starting another thread when this is all over and I can start moving in on setting up my shop. It will be interesting to get peoples input and suggestions for the shop

Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: mkasdin on November 01, 2020, 11:34 AM
Do the fascia in a different color and it will change the look of the house. I would either go with a white or try “tawny amber by Dunn Edwards.” That will give the workshop a nice look try a small sample on a piece of scrap...
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Post by: Bertotti on November 01, 2020, 12:25 PM
Funny you should ax about the color.
The Painter was out yesterday painted the shop/ fascia etc. The deal was it was supposed to match my house exactly.
 So I axed the contractor who built my house what was the color scheme and where did he get the paint. He gave me the scheme. The contractor ordered the paint (said he had $1000 in paint and materials) so the painter started a painted the shop. Then we noticed it was the wrong color. It was the color of my neighbors house (the builder built something like 16 houses) so he must of gotten confused.

Anyway, Im not going to penalize the contractor for the builders mistake. It still looks good Im happy with it. He said the roofers and sparkys will be out this week to finish it (finally).  [thumbs up] .

There is another hiccup , the insulated roll up door is delayed with a 5 week back order. So the plan is for him to install a regular garage door to pass inspection ad get the cert of occupancy. The when the roll up is completed he'll come and install it.

Im on a med hold right now had surgery  on my right ankle. Its been hurting me for years and finally got it taken care of had a bone spur and a piece of bone that was rubbing on the tendon so I was hurting bad.

 Any way I got a photo of the painted shop and my boot and wrap thats under the boot.

The photo of the shop is taken from a distance as I couldnt get closer wearing the boot on one foot and bare foot on the other.

So I plan on starting another thread when this is all over and I can start moving in on setting up my shop. It will be interesting to get peoples input and suggestions for the shop

That looks great! I got stuck in one of those boots for six weeks. The first day it really felt good and took a lot of the pain away but every day it got more and more tiring to wear. Real uncomfortable for me after the first three or four days. Good luck healing!
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Post by: rvieceli on November 01, 2020, 02:57 PM
Looks good. I say cover it in high quality graffiti ala rail cars 😜

Ron
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Post by: Peter Parfitt on November 02, 2020, 02:01 AM
Hi Ron @jobsworth

Only just spotted this - get well soon.

Your workshop build looks very exciting and I wish you the very best getting it completed.

Peter
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Post by: Bob D. on November 02, 2020, 06:03 AM
Wishing you a speedy recovery.

"So I plan on starting another thread when this is all over and I can start moving in on
setting up my shop. It will be interesting to get peoples input and suggestions for the shop"

Start that new thread now so we can get the strawboss process going ASAP (with the proper
internet social distancing applied).  [big grin]
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Post by: jobsworth on November 02, 2020, 09:29 AM
Of course, Ill set up my work stations 6' a part from each other and put masks on my MFTs [eek]
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Post by: jobsworth on November 02, 2020, 09:31 AM
@Peter Parfitt

Thanks Peter.
Its been only what 4 days since I had my surgery and I feel less pain walking around in this boot than I did before the surgery. It was really pain full I am feeling alot better. Its just the time it takes to heal up and get started in the new shop
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on November 02, 2020, 04:54 PM
They filled the trench for the electric conduit that was ran out to te shop today. No need for photos. jus letting ya know
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: rvieceli on November 02, 2020, 05:49 PM
Speedy recovery and keep your boot on for as long as they tell you.  [big grin]

Ron
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Post by: jobsworth on November 02, 2020, 06:08 PM
Will do Ron. The wife has been riding herd on me pretty hard about this boot :>D
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on November 02, 2020, 06:09 PM
All thats left for the shop build Is the door to be installed the elect hooked up (switches, outlets lights) Im going with 4 bright LED lights, should give me plenty of light. They filled the trench for the elect today.

So Im going to keep this thread going till the end. Im going to start another thread about setting the shop up. Should be fun to get everyones input.
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Post by: neilc on November 02, 2020, 07:07 PM
Shop is looking great!  Good luck on healing.  Don’t push it too hard.
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Post by: Bob D. on November 03, 2020, 05:15 AM
Don't know what type fixture you selected or the square footage of your shop but four may not be enough.

My shop is a 2 bay garage space so about 580 SF with 10.5 foot ceiling. I bought 10 LED hanging shop lights which draw 48 watts for each fixture. I don't use them all at once but rather have three as general shop lighting and the other 7 located over tools or benches where I need additional light.

I found these at Lowes but similar fixtures should be available at most places. The price with 10% Military discount (under $40 each with tax) at Lowes was good I thought. I bought four at first then decided I liked them and needed more light so went back for 6 more. A month later I bought 8 more to replace the 30 year old fluorescent fixtures in the basement.
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Post by: rvieceli on November 03, 2020, 06:03 AM
@jobsworth got to agree with Bob, you'll need more fixtures. Putting them in now will be easier than after you have equipment in there.

Ron
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Post by: afish on November 03, 2020, 07:35 AM
I got the "Koda" 4' LED shop lights from costco.  I think they were 19 bucks each.  I had just missed a sale on them so I got stuck paying full price but still happy.  So far (6-8 months) I really like them.  They are 4000k which is my prefered temp. They are motion controlled (adjustable sensitivity) with adjustments on how long they stay on (1,5 and 10 min. I think)  This works good in larger spaces so only the area you are working in is lit up  Works good, no more light switch to deal with just walk in the door or area and everything lights up.  You can daisy chain upto 6 together if your short on ceiling outlets.  They install easy as well several different mounting options and are super lightweight.  I used the flush mount which is just a clip you screw to the ceiling and the light snaps in.  It snaps in tight too no worries about them falling down.  They sell another brand too but they had some bad reviews so I went with the Kodas and haven't regretted it once.
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Post by: Peter Parfitt on November 03, 2020, 07:36 AM
I have 9 LED battens (strip lights) in my small (UK size) double garage workshop.

If you use LED and can choose the colour temperature....

I made a mistake at the start and chose a daylight temperature but was able to switch to a dual LED strip 4000K 5600 lumen which work really well.

Peter
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Post by: jobsworth on November 03, 2020, 09:42 AM
@ rvieceli

I agree. I cant put them in until it passes inspection. Once I get the cert of occupancy Im going to install a lot of stuff included more outlets and circuits. I got to put them in before I insulate
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Post by: Alanbach on November 05, 2020, 09:25 PM
Shop looks great! Coming along nicely! Get well soon, certainly hoping that you have a speedy recovery! Was the bone spur caused by a previous Talus injury?
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Post by: jobsworth on November 06, 2020, 05:07 PM
@Alanbach   hehehe ya never know (what the heck is a talus?)
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on November 06, 2020, 05:09 PM
Roofers came today, finished roofing the job. Had one female roofer I wouldnt want to mess with looked like she could whip my butt  [big grin]

Garage door guys came and left. Don't know what happened to them maybe they thought it was the wrong house bc of the color mix up, then electricians and that should be about it.  I should be able to call for final get the cert of occupancy and start moving in. This garage door is a temp door till my roll up gets here remember the doors are on back order

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Post by: Alanbach on November 06, 2020, 10:31 PM
@jobsworth - it’s the big bone at the back of the foot just under the ankle joint. When my son broke his ankle it was a chipped off piece of the Talus that constituted the break. The doc said that sometimes the bone fragment gets absorbed by the body over time and sometimes it moves into a position to cause pain swelling and discomfort later in life.
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Post by: jobsworth on November 08, 2020, 11:05 AM
Mines is a bone spur right on the inside ankle bone on the R/H side.  The tendon runs across it and it was rubbing on the spur. The spur was long not to big but big enough to cause me a lot of pain.
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Post by: jobsworth on November 08, 2020, 11:18 AM
Temp garage door installed so should be moving fairly fast now.

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Post by: Alanbach on November 09, 2020, 09:39 PM
@jobsworth - Just glad that you got it taken care of. Constant foot pain is the worst. I am sure that it will be great to be done with that pain! The shop looks great! Happy for you that the door guys came back quickly and got you all closed in.  So what’s left for contractor now (besides the roll up door)?
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Post by: jobsworth on November 09, 2020, 10:49 PM
Just put the lights in and the outlets and Switches in and call for final.

Been a long road on this one. Dont know why it took so long originaly he told me mid Aug there were some legit delays i know but a guy around the corner built a huge looks like a 2500 sq ft house in less time it took to build this shop. But they did do a nice job.

Yea looking fwd to getting through this and being able to walk again take the dogs for a walk a even go to the mall.. Im not sure how much longer this is going to be. but Im looking fw to being through this
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Post by: jobsworth on November 10, 2020, 11:24 AM
today the plumber came out and dug a shallow trench and is running a water line from the house to the chop. No photos really needed. Hes using 1" pvc piping. I will be able to add water to the shop if I want now and run a drip system for the raised garden and  shade trees I want to plant and some bushes for colors. Ill be using mainly gravel for ground cover
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Post by: Cheese on November 10, 2020, 11:27 AM
Beautiful looking shop Jobby...It'll be well worth the wait once you move in and fire up the equipment.  [big grin]

Here's a previous thread on some LED lighting in a shop. Check out reply 17 as a Visual Interior Tool is mentioned.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/led-lighting-help-(cheese-please)/msg611158/#msg611158

Here's another more involved discussion.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/syslite-duo-led-light-for-workshop-garage/msg608620/#msg608620
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Post by: jobsworth on November 10, 2020, 11:40 AM
Thanks Cheese Im looking fwd to getting out of this boot and move into the shop.

Also for the help and advice on the lighting.

 I already bought the lighting for the shop.

Not the office area but the shop for area.

 These are what I got. I got 4 of them. The boxes are hung in the ceiling evenly in a square already.

 Just got to hook them and the outdoor carriage lights that match the house.

I still gonna run more outlets in the shop maybe 4 more on the walls and 2 fixtures for fans in the ceiling and one for my air filter.

I didnt forget the the 3 220v boxes.

2ea  220v for the shop and one for the split system that Im going to add down the road.

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Post by: jobsworth on November 13, 2020, 09:22 AM
Called for grading inspection today

I also forgot to get s light for the bump out. What Im going to use for a office. So I ordered one and it should be arriving today.

Things are moving along

Oh and my ankles feeling better, finished the last of the pain meds Dr wanted me to take 2 a day for 12 days. So Im done with them.

Yesterday I was able to walk out and have a look at the shop.

Gonna be nice.
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Post by: jobsworth on November 15, 2020, 02:04 PM
Grading passed, So next is the electricians come do their thing hooking up lights outlets etc then call for final.  So the electrician is coming next week possibly Monday. Then call for inspection. Once it passes final, hook up te water line from house to shop and move in not necessarily in that order.

Oh the roll up door is 3 weeks out now.

Has no bearing on getting the cert of occupancy.

Next on to setting up the shop.

 
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Post by: jobsworth on November 19, 2020, 09:29 AM
Electrician came yesterday hooked everything up. The lights i picked sure lit te shop up last night, came home from the dog park last night and man the inside of the shop was lit up [big grin].

Looking fwd to finally moving in and setting up.
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Post by: Alanbach on November 19, 2020, 09:47 PM
Your shop is looking and sounding great! A nice bright, well lit shop is really a pleasure, you are going to really love your new space! I hope that your ankle is coming along as well. You will be churning the shop projects in no time!
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on November 20, 2020, 10:39 AM
Thanks Alan. I got to go to the foot Dr this Monday. Hopefully Ill be able to loose the boot. The sparky finished everything yesterday ad were ready for final.
Title: Re: Shop Build Progess (Changed Name from Whats a good shop size?)
Post by: jobsworth on November 25, 2020, 07:57 PM
@Alanbach

Boot gone,  foots working, shops permitted started moving in today got my 3 MFTs ( not counting my Kapex MFT) and all my Systainers moved in ready to rock and roll .
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on November 25, 2020, 08:04 PM
Hi guys,

Rather then starting over and create a new thread Ill keep this one going, so everyone will be able to start from the very begining with my move here, the shop build process and now setting up a new shop.


Shops permitted, started moving in today got my Systainers and 3 MFTs etc moved in still lots more to do. Shop has a lot more room then a I ever had before. Ill take some photos tomorrow when I get the rest of the stuff moved over. Good thing my son is coming home he can help me with the heavy stuff like my roll aways and my jointer. I can pretty much handle every thing else.

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on November 26, 2020, 09:16 PM
Moved more stuff in today,

Tomorrow getting help for the rollaways and the jointer

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 01, 2020, 09:46 AM
Bought some ply gonna start making cabinets need to get stuff off the floor and outta boxes.

 This first set is gonna be setting up my miter saw station. One cabinet will have a drawer bank, the others will have maybe one drawer then storage. I plan on storing my tools in Systainers set on on top of the cabinets, as Im not going to have a fence for my miter saw station only stops.

Everthing is based on the saw base anyway.

Im going to make some shelving and maybe get something to hang my wood peckers stuff on the wall.

Looks like my plans are working out.

 I bought the Festool cutting table that folds up and fits under a MFT.

 So I can roll it to the door of the shop back my truck up slide the ply directly from the truck to the cutting table then since its the same height as my MFT I can slide the ply once ripped to size to the MFT for cross cutting.

We'll see how it goes today

Pictures to follow
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on December 01, 2020, 11:52 AM
@jobsworth dont you need to get insulation and walls up before you get stuff fully loaded in?

Ron
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on December 01, 2020, 01:21 PM
@jobsworth dont you need to get insulation and walls up before you get stuff fully loaded in?

Ron

I was gonna say the same, but maybe he has a plan.. [wink]
I’m temporary again going to move my “shop” to a much nicer room, albeit 1/4 of what jobsworth have - but I’ll have som other benches! It’s fabulous!
I can anticipate the feeling you have right now - the blank canvas [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 01, 2020, 07:45 PM
@FestitaMakool

Yea I have a plan Im building things mainly lower cabinets to get things put away and organized. Not installing them but building them and laying the shop out. Then Im going to add some additional outlets where needed.
Ill be about to move everything away from the walls and Then get the shop insulted, move everything back and install.



Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on December 02, 2020, 11:42 AM
Clever, bench space is vital... even at temporary placement.
You’ll have the opportunity to try out different configurations where you can move about too, settle on a solution with a work flow that works for you and your equipment. Outlets follow.

How are you doing the ceiling? Understand you have severe heat to deal with. Are you going to isolate the loft from the work space with ceiling on the cross beams, so the attic area can be ventilated?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on December 02, 2020, 01:46 PM
Hey Ron @jobsworth

consider putting at least the the finished ceiling in before you get too far along loading in. I put up the ceiling and the walls in my shop with stuff inside and it is NOT something that I would EVER do again. Just a royal pain.

Ron
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 02, 2020, 09:15 PM
@FestitaMakool
@rvieceli

Yea it does get hot here.
 But this summer we set a record , over 50 days straight above 110 degrees.

 It was brutal but still managed to work for a few hours a day till the heat got to me. So Im going to discuss the best options with the contractor. Id like to have him spray foam the ceiling. But it might be cot prohibitive and not give me what I want.

Funds are tight for me right now as this build wasn't exactly inexpensive.

 If I can swing it later on in the year maybe May Ill do it then.

When the time comes to insulate Ill make the decision which is the best way.

Right now though I know its a real PITA to insulate with stuff in the shop, Im going to press fwd fingure out the lay out run some more electrical outlets and a couple of 220v outlets once I figure where Ill need them.

Because the electrical also has to be done before I can insulate as well.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 02, 2020, 09:21 PM
So heres a photo (not very good one) of how I use my STM. I just backed the truck up tail gate down, slide a sheet of ply off onto the STM ripped to width and repeat. Next with the ripped ply (3 sheets) still on the STM I rolled it over to my MFTs where I have the sysvacs and will pick up the ply set it on the vacs using the conturo to edge band trim and set aside for cross cutting to length. Heres the truck to STM photo, the STM to vac sys along with ege banding will be tomorrow


Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on December 02, 2020, 11:10 PM
Ron - Got it.

Ron
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Peter Parfitt on December 03, 2020, 09:48 AM
Hi Ron @jobsworth

Going back to what someone above said about installing your insulation etc before your machinery was brought in...

We moved house just over a year ago and I had to convert a double garage into a new workshop. It had to be sound proofed and dry lined. I had to do the first fix (cabling and new consumer unit) before the contractors came to do that work. So, I did an accurate drawing of the workshop and had drawings of all of my machines and cabinets which I could move around until I was happy with the layout. From that I did my wiring plan and knew exactly where my sockets should go. I also was able to place the LED strip lights in the optimum places as well.

FYI my layout is below.

[attachimg=1]

Peter
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 03, 2020, 04:50 PM
@Peter Parfitt

Thank you Peter.

Maybe theres one thing I should have mentioned. I have a complete Festool workshop. There is littarlly nothing I cant easily move about., 3 MFTs for work benches, MFT CMS for a router table, CMS GE w a TS 75 module for a table saw. Only DC I have other than my 2 FT CTs is a small wall mountable DC to use with my Maktia planer and Jet jointer (thats on a wheeled base.)

I stil have some electric to run maybe 4 or 5 additional outlets and a couple 220V outlets. Here is Az we are the opposite of the rest of the country and UK. Our winters are mild and warn, today its in the low 70s.It will be nice until prolly Mid June when it starts heating up.

Im going to try to get the insulation in before June. But if not I survived working in my uninsultated garage this past summer and we set records for heat. We had 50 days above 110 degrees.
 Hopefully Ill get it done before then.

Ill have a look at your lay out. What size is your shop, so Ill have somethng to compare mine to.

Thank you very much for it.

Did I mention I found a place here that sells killer hotdogs [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up]
Oh yah, Im living the dream now [big grin]

Well out to the shop going to play with my conturo, got a lot of edge banding to do.

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 06, 2020, 12:51 AM
Started building cabinets, got 3 of them cut to width and length. Tomorrow, Ill be using the LR 32 for the system holes and the contour for edge banding, then the TID 18 to screw and assemble the cabinets.

I got one outlet to add before install of these cabinets.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 06, 2020, 10:24 PM
Using the LR 32 I drilled the system holes and used my conturo for edge banding tomorrow Ill be using the MFK700 for trimming and assembling the cabinets. Before I do a temp install of the cabinets, i have to run some cable and add another outlet maybe 2.
 Heres a photos of my LR 32 set up.

I didnt say good photo [blink]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on December 07, 2020, 02:06 AM
If you need help with a plan to ridiculously overdo your electrical layout just let me know. I have taken electrical excesses to new heights in my shop.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 07, 2020, 10:05 AM
Hehehehehehe,

Thanks Alan for the offer Alan.

Thats one reason Im building the cabinets before I insulate . I want to determine work flow and where to place electrical outlets. After I trim and assemble the 3 I built, Ill run to the Home toy and pick up a few boxes and add them . Then temp install the cabinets. temp install cuz I know Im going to be moving either the 2 MFTs or the MFT CMS I use for my router table. Im going to move the CMS first. See how that goes.

Oh BTW the ankles feeling great better than before Im happy I got the surgery I can walk painlessly now stand up as long as I want no pain... Bet I can wear sandals in the summer now to [thumbs up]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on December 07, 2020, 01:46 PM
So glad to hear that you are getting into dancing shape, especially now that your shop is ready for you! Personally I did not need to test layouts to influence my electrical plan. I just installed metal quad boxes every four feet all around the perimeter with three more boxes on the ceiling. I put two circuits in each quad boxes and then alternated them around the room. So box one has circuits one and three in it and box two has circuits two and four in it. Box three is back to circuits one and three and so it goes around the room. I think I added 22 receptacles (with two plugs in each) in what amounts to a two car garage. All are 20 amp and all are GFI protected and they are on six separate circuits. To say that I will never have to worry about 110 V receptacles again is an understatement. Don’t say it! I know!
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rst on December 07, 2020, 01:51 PM
Alan, I just love to hear from other neurotically capable people.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on December 07, 2020, 02:07 PM
@rst  It’s possible that I may take the cry once thing to new heights. In my defense I had the electrical work done twelve years ago and have not to change or add one thing and I have never popped a breaker.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rst on December 07, 2020, 02:15 PM
 [thumbs up]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on December 07, 2020, 02:35 PM
I did about the same and went ahead and added a 20 amp home run 240 volt outlet between each 4 outlet 110 boxes. Dropped a 50 amp 240 in the wall under the panel and a couple 30 amp circuits throw in just because. I put them up high enough so you could lean a 4 foot sheet of ply on the wall and still access them. They cleared everything that I have put against the wall, bench, tool cabinets etc.

I hate crawling around in attics and having to fish wire.

Ron

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 08, 2020, 09:35 AM
I have open stud bays, so its nothing more than drilling and pulling wire through the holes to the boxes. I do have a couple I have to run to the ceiling joist but no biggie.

Since I run mainly all festools I need the boxes conveintly placed where I can plug in my CTs and a couple of other tools like my small wall mountable dust collector to use when I run my jointer or planer.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Cheese on December 08, 2020, 11:29 AM
As others have chimed in...the original circuit in the basement was light tan. I then added a separate gray & a separate white circuit and identified them by using different color GFCI outlets.
In the areas where there is drywall installed the tan, white & gray outlets are also surrounded by the correct colored faceplate. Makes it super simple to identify the electrical run and prevent overloading a single circuit.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 13, 2020, 11:11 AM
Started building the miter saw station ad added a few more electrical outlets with more to add, gonna add another 110V circuit and a 220V circuit.

Just a temp install not even screwed to the wall as I will move/ and adj them and when Im done and satisfied with the layout Ill get the shop Insulated. So the temp install will make it easier to remove and insulate and replace....

Today going to find a spot for my wall hung Dust Collector that Ill use for my Makita planer and Jet jointer. Every thing else Ill use my CTs

Coming along nicely still lots more to do and to come

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Peter Parfitt on December 13, 2020, 11:41 AM
Hi Ron

Forgive me, I know nothing of the way you build things in the US....

What goes on the other side of the Sterling board? Do you have insulation and then brick or block work?
Also, how many amps is the supply to the workshop? Do you have any 240 volt supply available as I used to have in our house in Canada?

Peter
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: DeformedTree on December 13, 2020, 12:05 PM
Hi Ron

Forgive me, I know nothing of the way you build things in the US....

What goes on the other side of the Sterling board? Do you have insulation and then brick or block work?
Also, how many amps is the supply to the workshop? Do you have any 240 volt supply available as I used to have in our house in Canada?


Had to look up "sterling board",  it's just called OSB here (orientated strand board).  It's just a wood frame building, he has his stucco finish on the outside, he can insulate in the cavities before covering the inside of the walls.  It's a wood frame building.

He has 220V from his post,  he mentioned a 100A panel before.  With some rare exceptions, Anytime one runs a panel it's 220V as that is how our electricity works.  You will find some old garages, or ones that people just didn't plan where they just run 1 or 2  110V circuits from the house, this sucks.  But generally most folks will run a 60-100A service out to a garage/shop from the house, so then they can wire it up full of 110 and 220V circuits.

If he didn't put a panel in his shop, I think most of us would just shun him  [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Peter Parfitt on December 13, 2020, 03:15 PM
Thanks for the explanation.

Peter
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 13, 2020, 07:05 PM
@Peter Parfitt

What Deformed Tree said.

Other than please keep in mind everything youll see being done in my shop except the electrical, will be Temp installed until I get the shop insulated. By the time I get the shop insulation Ill petty much have the work flow down and thew shop in order so I can remove everything get the insulation done and put everything back.

I did just temp installed a wall mounted dust collector that I can use for my Makita planers (thicknesser) and Jet Jointer. They put out to many chips for a CT to keep up with.  Ill add photo tomorrow after I go to the Dr and pick up some ply and bead board on the way home
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Peter Parfitt on December 14, 2020, 01:22 AM
Hi Ron

I now understand how the workshop is built. So, with 240 volts does that mean that you could run some of the kit that you had bought over here without a transformer?

Peter
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 14, 2020, 08:31 PM
Yes I could if I bought some  [big grin]  We have things that are 220V here, Like the aircon I want to eventually put in the shop. It will be 220V, for example. We have other things like air compressors , table saws that are 220V. We can choose to use either 110V or 220V.

Once the insulation is installed and drywall/ wall covering is installed it makes it alot more difficult to add wiring. So I perfer to add the 220v circuits before all that gets installed.

Im of the school its better to have it and not need t and to need it and not have it
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on December 15, 2020, 06:45 AM
Ron, did you happen to set a couple floor boxes for 120v and/or 240v power out to the center of the space or run any ductwork in the slab for dust collection. I know I would like to not have hoses and cords dropping down from the ceiling in my shop. I do have them clustered into one group but sometimes you have to work around them when maneuvering a large piece and I would like to have a boom arm but the power cords and dust collection drops in the center of the shop kinda kill that.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 15, 2020, 12:01 PM
darn, That was something I didnt think of.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on December 15, 2020, 12:09 PM
I've always thought one of those raised panelized floors like they use in computer server rooms would be handy. Not sure if they are beefy enough to handle heavy stationary machines though

Ron
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 15, 2020, 06:46 PM
As promised/mentioned here is the photo of my wall mountable DC its a shop fox dust collector.

 I hung it on the wall, still gotta attach the bag to it. Thinking about attaching plastic garbage bags and put a trash can under it. I only will use this for my makita 12" planer and my Jet jointer all the other collection will be done using my festool CTs .

Spent the day ripping and sizing plywood. That STM really makes handling plywood easy, its still heavy but this makes it doable. Tomorrow ill be using the LR 32 making shelf pin holes and edge banding with the contouro. Next on my agenda is making drawers for these cabinets various sizes to start being able to store stuff, still need to get bead board and the hanging thingies to hang stuff from the bead board.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on December 16, 2020, 07:42 PM
Nice start Jobsworth [smile]
Looking forward to see the progress. I’m moving rooms myself, to a more half permanent but yet small space, until final destination, hopefully next summer.

I can see you need a table-protection-disc for your coffee cup...  [wink] Condensating hot cups don’t do MFT’s any good  [big grin]

Hoping you’ll tell about your chip extractor, considering this solution myself, very space saving.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 16, 2020, 09:34 PM
@FestitaMakool

That dust collector (DC) works very good for what I use it for my makita 12" planer and my Jet jointer. Its fairly inexpensive compared to other types of DCs out there. Only draw back was the size of the bag that came with it it fills up quick. But then I was planing 6 ea of 2"X12"x8' pine board which created a lot of chips.

Todays exciting adventure in the shop, I got a late start but got the shelf pin holes in all 6 of the cabinets sides. using the vac clamps (2 heads) really made it go fast and easy theyre close to each other mounted of the ends of a MFT so I just switched between sides and when I finished both I swiveled the vac heads around and finsihed the other sides.

Tomorrow edge banding and trimming then off to Blowes to pick up a trash can for the shop and maybe some bead board and spur shelving.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: DeformedTree on December 16, 2020, 10:39 PM
@FestitaMakool

That dust collector (DC) works very good for what I use it for my makita 12" planer and my Jet jointer. Its fairly inexpensive compared to other types of DCs out there. Only draw back was the size of the bag that came with it it fills up quick. But then I was planing 6 ea of 2"X12"x8' pine board which created a lot of chips.


You said the CT can't handle the planer.  Do you have the cyclone? I'm wondering if that would make a difference.  Or maybe the answer is use a Chip box, and then have the CT suck from there (maybe less for the chips, more for dust/maintain the airflow of things.  I've been looking for solutions when the time comes for this.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 17, 2020, 08:46 AM
Yes I have a FT cyclone. I found that if is use very very thin cuts and slow in between cuts the CT can handle the planer. Other wise it will clog. But for about $150-$200 bucks I got the wall mountable DC which seems to work good other than the bag filling quickly which I mentioned.

I guess if you have a DeWalt which Ive HEARD dont know for sure, has a chip ejector maybe a chip box or a CT may work. I just got tired of stopping and cleaning out the clogged cyclone and CT hoses every 3 minutes or so.

A regular shop vac may work better than a CT but I chose to go with a wall mountable DC
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on December 17, 2020, 11:14 AM
The DW735 does have a chip ejector which works well.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: DeformedTree on December 17, 2020, 12:24 PM
I've been looking at the Makita like you have.   Getting other vacs and such isn't an option, as everything I have is portable/compact.   Thats why an intermediate chip box can be an option.  I know a planer is at the limits of a CT, but that would be the most extreme thing I have going, thus why finding a usable path works, doesn't need to be perfect, I won't be running a forest thru the thing.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 17, 2020, 09:32 PM
@DeformedTree

I own the Makita 12" planer and love it. They havent changd the design over the years it looks like the original Its light and gives a great surface finish with min snipe. It has a positive stop for repeatable sizing when planing.

Now for todays exciting shop activities

Ok edge banded today then ran to blowes picked up some spur shelving and a Kreg Corner clamp I want to see if it will help me aligning the corners on the cabinets making them easier to screw together.  Ran in and out, didnt get a trash can or bead board like I went there for. so tomorrow Ill assemble the cabinets check that jig out put a temp base down to set the cabinets on maybe have time to hang the spur shelving and put some systainers on them

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on December 18, 2020, 03:07 PM
Ok, that’s a new one on me. What is spur shelving? And don’t say that it is shelving😊!
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 18, 2020, 05:28 PM
Ill take a photo ina minute got to run out to the shop for a bit.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on December 18, 2020, 06:23 PM
Jobsworth, do you have a 50mm hose you can hook up to your planer?
A 50mm hose moves a lot more air..

I have a couple of 50 hoses I’m gonna test on my band saw, bench sander and a small jointer.
Reason for trying is that my chip extractor’s motor just died, and no time before Christmas to get a new motor or extractor. Not just there yet to have a go..
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 18, 2020, 06:46 PM
@FestitaMakool

Yah I got one but I just dont think the extractors pull enough suction to be effective. Try it and let us know what ya find out

@Alanbach Photos below


So I crewed the cabinets together for the other side of the miter saw station. I wanted to start getting stuff off the floor so I put the spur shelving up. I should of used the 3rd support i bought instead of just 2, tomorrow I add the 3rd support. Still got more systainers to set on the shelving. Once I get the cabinets built and set permanently Ill use the spur shelving for the garage.

That Kreg corner clamp really worked good with was like a 3rd hand holding a corner together while I screwed it and helped with the other 3 screws for each joint.

I took a photo of the clamp and the shelving for those who dont know what spur shelving is..

Once I put the base down and set the cabinets on it Ill take a photo of them.



Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 21, 2020, 08:07 PM
Got the other side of the miter saw stations cabinets set on the base. found a place that sells drawer slides pretty cheap same with ply. So I bought 3 5x5 sheets of 1/2 baltic birch 2 4x8 sheets of 1/4 ply and a box (20ea) white blum style drawer slides. The miter saw station will be all drawers of various sizes though .

I made a cabinet for my Makita 12" planer andwill us it for storing my bench top tool and add a drawer or 2.

So here a couple of photos of where Im at now. It is starting to look like a shop. Messy shop but a shop
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on December 22, 2020, 06:11 AM
"spur shelving" is a new term for me too but I have loads of that stuff in my shop used mostly for lumber storage. I put an upright every other stud and used 3 inch screws in every hole as I knew I would be loading them down.

I pulled it out of my last house where is was used in the basement for storage. When we moved into the current home 20 years ago there was no desire or need for it so it became part of the garage shop.

Anywho, I googled 'spur shelving' and see it is a brand name used in the UK.

spurshelving.co.uk
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 22, 2020, 09:54 AM
@Bob D.

I picked up the name for it when I lived in the UK. A Brit buddy of mine was helping me set up my garage shop and told me to use "spur shelving" It just stuck with me as I didnt know it by any other name.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Spandex on December 22, 2020, 11:13 AM
I think the generic name for it is ‘twin slot’ shelving, although Spur are one of the best known brands here in the UK.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: DeformedTree on December 22, 2020, 11:28 AM
Now I don't know what I called it before seeing this thread.  You all overwrote the brain.

I like that UK company, their website is straight from 1995.

I don't think most of us put much thought into it, it's just what ever Home Depot sells that week.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 22, 2020, 09:24 PM
Well todays exciting update is
Changed things up a bit today.
 I built a sort of organizer for my vacuum clamp station.
 I got 2 vacuum heads mounted to the metal FT brackets that swing under the MFT for storage, a pump w foot release pedal, and Systainer with extra pads for various width pieces.

I use the vacuum clamps for sanding, dominioing, edge banding, routing and a bunch of other things.

The Systainer  in the front is the pad assortment w/ the pump and foot release.

In the back I got a box of glue pucks and a accessory that will allow me to use contra for edge band 5' or longer.
Ill put the edge bander and the 700 kit I use for trimmimg edge banding and the edge band, routing grooves for cabinet backs and drawer bottoms etc in the back.

When I get some more 3/4 scrap ply, Ill build a little box with drawers to store the age band tools  use. This way mostly everthing will be right there when I need it.

I know my hose mgmt is lacking but remember this is Rev 1 Ill prolly be up to rev 4 before Im though and happy with it but this will do for now
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 24, 2020, 04:17 PM
First Merry Chistmas every one May God bless each ad everyone of you.

So I started ripping the baltic birch into door stock. I own TSO Products GRS and their paralell guides (PGs). They have some rods to insert to make the PGs able to rip thin strips with it. So I watched the video and thought why not try it. I set the ply on my STM with a guide GRS etc well it was difficult I found I needed to put shims under the back of the guide to help support it but even then I didnt get as accurate a cut as I was hoping for. So my drawers which were originally going to be 4 3/4 are now 3 5/8, I ended up having to use my CMS/ table saw.

Looking at the TSO video again he had the material lying on a flat surface like ridgid foam and shimed the back and make the cut. The STM I used isnt a flat surface like that. So well I learned here is the set up I used with the STM.

Im sure the TSO PGs will work Im sure it was operator error
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 24, 2020, 04:19 PM
So after cutting the door stock I needed to rip the groove for the drawer bottom. I cut the pieces to rough length then used my vacuum clamp to hold the material while I routered the groove. I used the skinniest accessory pad they had for it and it held the stock pretty solid and the foot release pedal made it easy to change the pieces for the next one that needed routing.

Came out pretty good.

Nice clean cuts.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 26, 2020, 08:42 PM
In todays exciting episode, I used the domino 500 to joint the drawers useing the vac clamps , set the peices on the vac pad and domino I used through dominos for this. Also had a distinguished visitor in the shop today. Allen K dropped by for a visit. Allen was a former FT rep and FT trainer who worked the FT road show. One of the most knowledgable people I know in the tools applications.

Here are photos of me dominoing the drawers.

Tomorrow , cut the drawer bottoms to size and glue, assemble.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on December 26, 2020, 09:18 PM
You're not getting many replies but that doesn't mean we're not monitoring your progress.

Looking good, keep those reports coming as you have time.

Fun to watch a new shop come together literally from the ground up.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: HarveyWildes on December 27, 2020, 02:31 AM
Hey @jobsworth - nice build.  I'm enjoying the pics.  It's fun to see the layout start to take shape.  I hope you're enjoying your holiday time in the shop.

I used spur shelving in my shop and my garage with 3/4" particle board shelving.  The 16" spans are pretty solid, the 32" spans are sagging a little more than I'd like, but not too bad.  I've never heard it called spur shelving before, but it makes sense.  It's practical, fast shelving and it's been holding all the weight I've needed it to for 13 years now.  The most trouble I've had with it it a tendency for the shelving to slide, and I have screwed the brackets to the shelving here and there.

I've only seen the vacuum clamps at work once in a demo.  I have no feel for how sturdy they are.  Seeing them in use with a router sort of helps calibrate that.  Are you satisfied with the working height?  Can you adjust the working height?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: hdv on December 27, 2020, 08:24 AM
Yep. Here's another thumbs up. I am monitoring this thread closely, because I hope to build a new workshop the coming year or (more probably) the year after. I am always on the hunt for good ideas to copy.   [big grin]

I am watching Peter Parfitt's updates on his new shop as well. There's always something to learn from how fellow FOGers go about it in their shop.

Thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 27, 2020, 11:37 AM
Thanks guys for the input about this thread  [thumbs up]. It takes a while to set a shop up, Im not sure how detailed ya want it to be, so Im noting things I think ya'll might find interesting.

@HarveyWildes

I bought the actual festool mounting plates. They are a bit pricey , It was befoore I know how easy the shop made ones were to make and didnt know where to get te plas at the time.

No they are not adjustable in working height. However the shop made ones are at a better height about the height of a MFT. The vacuum clamps are very sturdy and will make your domino, sanding, edge banding, routing life easier.
If you do get one get the kit with the accessory heads they have different width pads to fit almost any piece of material.

Today Im going out in the shop cut the staock for the drawer bottoms hopefully be able to start assembling the drawers and get them installed then back at it Ill have more drawers to build.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on December 27, 2020, 03:06 PM
I’m watching closely too!
Impressed by your progress and productivity.
Hopefully establishing a final workshop within next year, just moved rooms and temporary space these days.
Peter Parfitt is also under monitoring for ideas [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 27, 2020, 04:38 PM
@FestitaMakool

Thanks for the encouragement. Ive een tinking Im dragging my feet and not getting as much done as I should be.

My goal to at least have a functional shop with in the next month or 2. Not completed but to be able to start building things for the property and finish up a side board/ bar I started building be stopped due to my ankle surgery.

Maybe get the last 2 circuits ran (220V and 110V) then get the shop insulated.

Truthfully its like everyday I walk in the shop I feel a bit over whelmed.

I have way to much to do and not enough getting done.

But I tell myself a fence not matter how long or tall is built one brick at a time.

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Michael Kellough on December 27, 2020, 04:51 PM
@FestitaMakool

Thanks for the encouragement. Ive een tinking Im dragging my feet and not getting as much done as I should be.

My goal to at least have a functional shop with in the next month or 2. Not completed but to be able to start building things for the property and finish up a side board/ bar I started building be stopped due to my ankle surgery.

Maybe get the last 2 circuits ran (220V and 110V) then get the shop insulated.

Truthfully its like everyday I walk in the shop I feel a bit over whelmed.

I have way to much to do and not enough getting done.


But I tell myself a fence not matter how long or tall is built one brick at a time.

I feel the same way but for the opposite reason. I’ve been in the same old shop so long that it is so stuffed with tools and supplies that it’s a nearly overwhelming chore to make space to get anything done. My fantasy is to have a new empty space to move just the stuff I really need. Which would also probably require moving to another state. So I’ll make do watching you set up your new shop.

Keep on trucking!
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on December 27, 2020, 05:24 PM
I am in the same boat Michael. Need to do some serious thinning/cleaning/reorganizing. Shop is too cluttered to have a smooth workflow. I am sure I can find things I don't use often enough to justify their presence in the shop or even existence in my collection.

I think I have too much material (wood) stored in the shop which is taking up valuable wall space. I have a 20 foot shipping container that I could make a lumber rack in and move about half of it there.

Sorry jobsworth, didn't mean to take this thread on a tangent.

Back to our regularly scheduled channel. :-)
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on December 27, 2020, 06:11 PM
‘Think your doing fine, you may be dragging your foot for a good reason. You may think that your pace might be slower, but this is probably mostly in your head. Settling in in a new place, with a new shop is a whole lot of work, and believe me, it can’t go fast enough [smile]. I’m eating patience myself  [big grin]

Moving relatively slow usually means better solutions in the end, as working in a new place makes new ideas mixed with old true and well proven ones to make an even better shop than the previous. I just moved in my new temporary room just before Christmas, but piles of tools was left on the benches, now to be put in drawers, hang on walls, shifting tables and stuff around in a cramped space makes for a challenge the next days. But, I’m really looking forward to enjoy waaay more outlets, lighting and finally a couple of benches. Best thing that has happened for a couple of years! So keep calm and carry on! [smile]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 27, 2020, 06:29 PM
@Bob D.

I dont keep a large supply of lumber around it takes up way to much space IMO.

I get bugged at scraps lying around after so long I just toss them.


I was going to start a thread axing why do people store lumber?

Unless they get a killer price for it.

I see photos and videos of guys with racks of lumber stored.

Right now Im just throwing stuff in drawer  ( the ones Im making and already set in a cabinet) Im just trying to clear counter space and keep stuff off my MFTs so I can use them.

@FestitaMakool
Thanks for the encouragement  see thats the reason Ive havent insulated yet. I want the outlets and workflow laid out (we all know it will be moved and adjusted).  Thats one reason Im taking my time. Im thinking ahead to the next build, Still working on the miter saw station, but thinking ahead, Built a cabinet on wheels for my planer found a spot for it, Yea this does take time and a lot of thought and adjustments and flexibility.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on December 28, 2020, 07:25 AM
"I was going to start a thread axing why do people store lumber?
Unless they get a killer price for it.
I see photos and videos of guys with racks of lumber stored."

I store what is left over from past projects. Also what I think I will use or do use on a regular basis in the shop.

I have some red oak, cherry, and walnut from trees that were felled near me and I had a local sawyer mill. Been working my way through it with various projects for family and friends. The wood was free just had to pay for the milling. Couldn't pass that up.

I also keep a few pieces of framing lumber around plus sheets of plywood and sheetrock for whatever comes up. I don't like running to the lumber yard every time I need material. I'd rather have some stock on hand so when I need something I get some extra to save me a 30 mile trip in the future. Initially I had no other place to store lumber than in the shop. Then I picked up the old scaffolding you see in the one photo for $60 and use it as a storage rack for the oak in the garage plus now have the shipping container that I utilize part of to store lumber and some tools in.

Too many tools that don't get used often enough is my problem. I have a RAS in very good condition that I rarely use but don't want to part with. It operates fine and the guard and other safety features have been updated so it's as safe to use as it can be. I keep a 3/4" dado stack in it and only use it to hog out half laps or dados on long workpieces that would be awkward on the TS. A router would work but the RAS is much faster though not as precise.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 28, 2020, 10:11 AM
I buy as needed. I hate wood lying around taking up space. I am thinking of building a out building / Shed for storage since I have the land.

 I could set aside a area for lumber storage. But then I only buy as needed. Its a habit Ive gotten into when I first started wood working 27 Years ago. I was in a single car garage for years, then moved to a standard garage 20 x 20 sizes building. So I never had room for wood storage .

As far as shop time, didnt get any yesterday. gonna be busy today with the visiting Inlaws. Hopefully Ill squeeze some time in. i get antsy knowing theirs stuff to do and not being able to get at it.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on December 29, 2020, 09:46 PM
How’s the foot? You dancin’ yet?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 30, 2020, 10:16 AM
Yes Sir..... Feeling great. Been tap dancin around the shop making domino drawers,

Got a set (5 ea) ready to take out of the clamps sand and install and post some photos when installed.

I may have to remake one. Ill find out when i try to install it.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on December 30, 2020, 01:41 PM
Glad to hear it!
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 31, 2020, 09:54 AM
Been trying to get out into the shop, ran out of glue and need to pick up a few things. Been tied up with the SIL/MIL visiting. Put them on a jet home home yesterday so today running out to buy the glue etc , sand and fit the drawers hopfully start installing them.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on December 31, 2020, 09:57 AM
What’s the point of having company if you can’t make them work?  [tongue] [tongue]

Ron
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on December 31, 2020, 10:49 AM
What’s the point of having company if you can’t make them work?  [tongue] [tongue]

Ron

Isn't that one of the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition ? "Exploitation begins at home"
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: DeformedTree on December 31, 2020, 04:06 PM
Been trying to get out into the shop, ran out of glue and need to pick up a few things. Been tied up with the SIL/MIL visiting.

Sounds like you missed the opportunity to hang drywall on the ceiling, that's what family is for.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 31, 2020, 07:04 PM
I tried to get Teres mother to give me a hand but at 88 she's gotten lazy. darn cane keeps getting in the way  [big grin]


Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on December 31, 2020, 07:07 PM
Happy New Year everyone, I hope 2021 will be prosperous, safe and healthy this coming year.

So I got the MIL and SIL on the jet yesterday , they're back home in Mexico.

I wished they would of stayed longer (puts the wife inna good mood and happy all the time).

So I got back to work in the shop today.

Glued up a set of drawers and installed them today,  now one more set for that side of the miter saw. Then Ill level the tables install the fence on that side and get busy on the other.

I think the Other side will be different maybe 2 doors and a set of drawers in the middle. I am going to have go back and remake a couple of those drawers but theyre good for now

Oh and I picked up a couple of trash cans one for the shop the other I set under my wall mounted dust collector. I got the bag which doesnt hold much sitting in the trash can Im thinking of buying some 4" hose and running it from the botton of the Dust collector into the trash can, cutting a hole in the lid and let the dust run directly into the can. No biggie really but Ill take a photo and post it tomorrow.

Right now its just the bag in the can.

 
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 01, 2021, 06:06 PM
Well made another set of drawers, now that Im set up got the tools set up Im knocking them out. I was surprised how quickly I got all the pieces cut and milled. tomorrow glue up and hopefully install.

Heres the photo of my wall mounted DC. Im planning on lowering it a bit so the bag will fit better. It has a zipper on the bottom to empty it. I unzipped it let the dust go into the can.

That bag fills up very fast.

Remember its just for the jointer and planer. Im thinking about getting a piece of 4" hose, cutting a hole in the lid of the trash can and run the hose directly into the trash can.

What ya think of that idea?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Michael Kellough on January 01, 2021, 08:22 PM
Maybe I misunderstood what you’re saying about running a hose directly into the trash can but you need the bag (or some other kind of filter) to let the air flow through. A hose from the impeller directly to the closed can would blow the lid off and send debris everywhere. Or, if you did a great job of keeping the lid on, the system wouldn’t collect any debris from the planer.

If you made a big fitting that the zippered end of the bag could fit over, and that fit tight on the trash can, and that the hose from the impeller fit into, then you wouldn’t have to mess with the bag as much (just bang on the sides occasionally), but you’d be better off to buy an inexpensive dust collector, and maybe modify it a little, take it apart and mount it up out of the way on the wall.

If you think through the evolution of small shop dust collectors you can choose features that would suit your shop better. The first version that went beyond what you have was to add an upper bag so flow would not be impeded even when the lower bag became full. Next, the lower bag was replaced with a can. Then the upper bag was replaced with a pleated filter (and often included an integral shaker to clear the pleats). Cyclonic separation was added too.

The easiest improvement for you setup is to get a bigger bag. Next would be to hang the bag upside down over a trash can with a big Tee fitting in between the bag and can. That would probably be satisfactory.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 02, 2021, 09:42 AM
would one of those big 55 gal trash bags work rather than that bag that came with it?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Michael Kellough on January 02, 2021, 11:09 AM
would one of those big 55 gal trash bags work rather than that bag that came with it?

It could be used if you made a way to securely connect the plastic bag to the open zippered end of the cloth bag. Or better yet a large Tee between trash bag and overhead upside down cloth bag would probably work.

You need a cloth bag or other filter to allow the air to pass through. Otherwise the system won’t suck, like what happens when the exhaust port is clogged on a vac.

Another example of very simple dust collector is a Delta I bought about 40 years ago. It is a large fiber drum on wheels in which the debris is collected. On top of the drum is a special lid which supports the motor/impeller. The impeller sucks air out of the drum and blows it through a cloth bag that is attached to the impeller which a large hose clamp. The vac created in the drum pulls debris in through the flexible hose which is connected to the planer or jointer. It works very poorly but is better than nothing. It would be a good candidate for adding a Thien baffle but I went with a Jet be with pleated filter drum instead.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/vs-lumberjocks.com/mhbegn1.jpg

It’s a primitive design. Too much of the debris goes into the bag which fills and reduces flow which reduces suction just like when the vac bag fills. A Thien baffle would greatly reduce the amount of stuff going into the bag.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: RustE on January 02, 2021, 12:15 PM
What about building a chip box?
In the top would be a connection for the dust collector that goes down into the box.
In either a side panel or the top would be a pleated air filter, like a HVAC cold air return grille that accepts a filter.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on January 02, 2021, 12:17 PM
Ron - You can keep the trash can idea if you want but you have to devise a way to let the air out of the can without letting the dust out. There are a lot of examples on the interwebs. Many folks replace the top of the can with a home made one that includes a fittong for the udt hose and the a spot for a replaceable filter to release the air but keep the dust in.

You could also look for a bigger cloth bag to replace the current smaller bag.

But you might want to take a hard look at upgrading your dust collector. I'm looking at a couple from Oneida:

https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/personal-shops/1-5-hp-mini-gorilla-cyclone-dust-collector

https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/personal-shops/dust-cobra-full-unit-hepa-2-stage-vacuum

Both of those are HEPA.

Ron
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Vondawg on January 02, 2021, 01:07 PM
I use something like the rocker dust separator ...into it first then the dust
Collector

     https://www.rockler.com/dust-right-4-dust-separator-components
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 02, 2021, 06:36 PM
Thanks guys. Ive axed on another forum and they came up with something similar as the rockler separator . Personally  think Id rather buy a large replacement bag. This isnt going to me my main DC its just for the planer and jointer which I use infrequently.

Well today, Assembled the drawers for the last cabinet on that side. Went to lunch with the wife had a nice day. Tomorrow sand and install the drawers.

These didn't come out to well, But they are for the garage Ill redo them in the future. The goal now is to set the shop up.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on January 02, 2021, 09:37 PM
"What ya think of that idea?"

I think you will need to have some place for the exhaust air to go. Right now it filters out through the bag I would expect, but once you hard pipe that into the trash can there will no longer be any venting and you will be trying to pressurize the can.

My DW735 planer came with a cloth topper for a trash can. It has a drawstring closure around the top of the can and connects to a 4" hose which runs to the planer. You could set up something similar which should work if you don't have one already.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on January 02, 2021, 09:39 PM
Here is what I am talking about. I believe it came with the planer, not an accessory.

https://www.amazon.com/dewalt-dw7353-collection-accessory-planer/dp/b0000ccxuc?tag=indifash06-20

Looks like it's NLA. I checked DeWalt's site. It would work with any brand planer or jointer of DC.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Michael Kellough on January 03, 2021, 10:51 AM
This looks like what you were asking for.

https://www.rockler.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5c5edcf249a74e99ece620285918bb9b/5/3/53522-04-1000_2.jpg

The pre-separator lid would help too as long as you seal the joints. Shrink wrap.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 04, 2021, 08:50 AM
I finished the drawers on the right side so I thought I’d start filling them up. So I took all my sandpaper out of their boxes when I moved  and tie wrapped them together easier to pack that way.
I started making small boxes but found it inefficient. So I made a organizer which enabled me to sort them all so far😎. Hope these photos can load cuz I’m useing my iPad as my puta is on the fritz
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 11, 2021, 11:32 AM
I noticed I havent really posted anything since 4 Jan so Ill give a up date. I had computer problems needed to replace the battery ordered it replaced it now Im good.

I found the spot I want to hang my clamps. I used a couple of old 2x4s to clamp them to. Nothing special but it gets them out of the way and where I want them. Once I get the shop set up and usable  (after I insulate it. Ill make a nice clamp rack.  Photos later on. I got ply leaning against them right now plus I moved stuff scattered on the floor out of the way But over all its starting to look like a shop.

Got a buddy coming over in a couple of weeks to help me finish wiring the shop so once the wirings in place I can start getting bids for insulating the shop.

 Photos later on. I got ply leaning against them right now plus I moved stuff scattered on the floor out of the way But over all its starting to look like a shop.
Bought some cheap imported ply. Gonna use it for the top of the miter station. the wife and I got a Drs appts today so not sure if Ill be able to get it done today.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 11, 2021, 09:17 PM
well I put a top on the cabinets for the miter station along with the fence.

Nothing is set permanently bc it all has to be removed  when I get the shop insulated.

Screwed some 2x4s to the studs to hang my clamps. I think thats where Ill keep them. Ill make a decent clamp rack once everything is set up premenantly .

Youll notice the back of the fence is raised a bit thats because theres a tape measure at the end of the fence (by design). FYI The Fence is the OG Kapex extensions.

Once I extend the fence out (it will extend out quite a bit both sides of the saw) the fence will be flat bc the tape will be off the top on both sides. One photo I took so you can see the tape
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: ScotF on January 11, 2021, 11:41 PM
Looking good! I love the drawers/cabinet integration. Very practical use of space.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: mkasdin on January 12, 2021, 12:20 AM
Well made another set of drawers, now that Im set up got the tools set up Im knocking them out. I was surprised how quickly I got all the pieces cut and milled. tomorrow glue up and hopefully install.

Heres the photo of my wall mounted DC. Im planning on lowering it a bit so the bag will fit better. It has a zipper on the bottom to empty it. I unzipped it let the dust go into the can.

That bag fills up very fast.

Remember its just for the jointer and planer. Im thinking about getting a piece of 4" hose, cutting a hole in the lid of the trash can and run the hose directly into the trash can.

What ya think of that idea?
I believe Jet came out with a new separator that fits onto their dust collector. It’s an improvement to the prior. I think it can be modified to a Harbor Freight 2 horsepower separator. I spoke to Jet/powermatic tech support in the summer and they said it was getting released. I’m sure it’s out by now. You could probably connect the separator midstream to your DC. You would need to go onto their site or call jet tech support. I think the price was around $30-$40?
It’s similar to the old one but better. There was an article in 2011 in Fine Woodworking “ Jet - Jet- Vortex Cone Dust Collector” that talked about the separator. There’s also a few companies that make pleated filters that greatly increase efficiency
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on January 12, 2021, 08:58 AM
I found the cone itself as an upgrade kit here:

https://www.toolnut.com/jet-dc1100-ca-vortex-cone-retrofit-kit-fits-dust-collectors-with-20-housing.html

I wonder how this might work on other brand dust collectors.

I have a Delta 50-850 which I believe is similar to the Jet in size and capacity.

For $26 it might be worth the gamble.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 12, 2021, 12:41 PM
Might work on yours but mine is a different DC as its wall hung and has no upper bag dust is just sucked in and goes straight to the collection bag
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: macrutt on January 12, 2021, 04:01 PM
Maybe one of these would work .

https://www.oneida-air.com/blog/unveiling-the-newest-product-in-the-dust-deputy-series[attach=1]


Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: RobS888 on January 12, 2021, 04:07 PM
Might work on yours but mine is a different DC as its wall hung and has no upper bag dust is just sucked in and goes straight to the collection bag

My wife is a woodturner and we got her the Rockler 1,250 wall mounted DC with the cartridge filter...  https://www.rockler.com/rockler-wall-mount-dust-collector-1250-cfm

Pieces of bark made quite the bang and really the bag is pretty small, so we got this... https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-grizzly-growler-cyclone-separator/g0863

We got them on sales, so not quite the prices shown. Moving my 55 gallon separator with the rockler connectors mentioned above was a non-starter for her.

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 12, 2021, 07:23 PM
@RobS888

Nice set up. I looked at the Rockler wall munted DC. But because Im only using it for my 12" makita planer and my jet jointer,Which I dont use all that much.
 I went with a cheap DC.
I use my FT CTs for everything else.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: six-point socket II on January 14, 2021, 08:43 AM
Great progress @jobsworth !

Kind regards,
Oliver
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 14, 2021, 10:18 AM
Thanks Oliver, its a slow process to BTW.

Back to making some more drawers I didnt see the need of posting photos as I already did for the last batch of drawers.

My next build will be a cabinet to act as a Kreg jig station. Ill build it a little shorter so the jig will match up with the height of the miter saw top and Ill store my Kreg jig accessories there in a Systainer that will sit behind the Kreg Jig. Photos will come after i finish and install the drawers.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 16, 2021, 09:40 PM
In todays exciting episode
I finished the drawers installing tomorrow.

 Finally the unicorn knowns as my back ordered insulated roll up door and was installed today still got to color match. No motor or gear chain needed its small enough I can easily raise and lower it. Maybe in the future Ill put a motor drive on it. Already wired for it
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: notenoughcash on January 17, 2021, 01:21 PM
In todays exciting episode

U been watching scott brown carpentry?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 17, 2021, 07:32 PM
Dont miss a episode love the guy
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on January 18, 2021, 06:14 PM
Ditto, it’s one of the few I’m waiting for  [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: CeeJay on January 18, 2021, 07:47 PM
In todays exciting episode

U been watching scott brown carpentry?
I loved his unboxing of the Mafell beam saw. That thing’s a beast -$10k for a circular saw!!!


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Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 18, 2021, 08:39 PM
Hes fun and informative. I liked when he decided to get rid of his dealt miter saw and went to buy a Kapex
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 18, 2021, 08:41 PM
So in todays exciting episode,

Finished the last of the drawers for the miter station though it isnt done it is functional .

You can tell I need doors shelves etc theyre coming.

I have a decsion to make, I have a sheet of ply left and Im thinking whether to make shelves and doors out of it, or build a pocket hole station for my kreg jig.

Decisions ...Decisions.... Heres what the basic config of the miter station looks like.

Whatever I decide to do when I finish it,

I need a break from building cabinets.

Maybe Ill finish a side board/ bar I started before I had my ankle surgery and or run the wiring....

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: CeeJay on January 18, 2021, 08:57 PM
Nice!

Are you putting doors on the cabinets below the mitre bench or leaving the drawers exposed?


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Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 19, 2021, 11:41 AM
I will trick the shop out eventually drawer fronts , cabinent doors etc. right now Im just trying to get it set up and functioning.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 19, 2021, 11:46 AM
So I thought about it and decided to build a cabinent to put my finishing equipment, finishes etc. That will mean....
More Drawers [scared]

But it seems to be the next build in the progression of setting the shop up. Should keep me busy till pay day when I can buy more stuff and continue the set up.

In the meantime Ill build this cabinet for finishing equipment move the stuff out of the garage and into the shop and if theres time before pay day, Ill start organizeing the stuff in te drawers.

Going to make a something for the Kreg jig that I can store on the wall remove and use and replace. Got a idea how Im going to do it. So ill be making a prototype soon
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: notenoughcash on January 20, 2021, 03:55 AM
Dont miss a episode love the guy

same.

one of the few yt channels that i actually enjoy watching
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: notenoughcash on January 20, 2021, 03:56 AM
Hes fun and informative. I liked when he decided to get rid of his dealt miter saw and went to buy a Kapex
and then he went and bought the tiny m18 mitre saw1 [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 24, 2021, 05:29 PM
Havent done much the last fewsdays. I built a cabinent  for my finishes. I think Its a bit to small. I ran out of dominos because of all the drawers Ive been making so I was unable to make drawers for the finish storage. I got one shelf in it. However my buddys Don and Allan at Anderson ply was able to ship someout to me quickly.

So I started setting outlet boxes bought some 10 ga 220 v cable and some 12 ga romex and i had some 14 ga romex. A friend of mine stopped by and we hung the boxes and ran the  14 ga cable for the ceiling fans that will be installed at a later date. The Home toy had some new (to me) type of boxes for ceiling fans. Kinda cool they mount to the trusses and has nails in it to attach to the fans box. Ill see if I can find a photo of them. Today I also figured out where im gonna put my split ac unit when I get one so I ran the 10 ga 220v cable out to the box. None of these have been hooked up to breakers yet. tomomorrow Im going to run the cable for the last of the outlets. T
They will be on their own circuit.
I didnt take photos but will tomorrow Ill be starting late in the shop .

My daughter and I are going to the range and take a gun class.
She just bought one and I want her trained.

Heres the fan box I used. Pretty slick huh?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Westinghouse-Fan-Master-Jr-Support-Box-0252511/202049574?MERCH=REC-_-searchViewed-_-NA-_-202049574-_-N&

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: RustE on January 24, 2021, 11:01 PM
..
I ran out of dominos because of all the drawers Ive been making so I was unable to make drawers for the finish storage.
...
My daughter and I are going to the range and take a gun class.
She just bought one and I want her trained.

Heres the fan box I used. Pretty slick huh?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Westinghouse-Fan-Master-Jr-Support-Box-0252511/202049574?MERCH=REC-_-searchViewed-_-NA-_-202049574-_-N&

Yeah, running out of small things annoys me.

on the training. Never have enough knowledge.

The fan box is nice. Can’t say I’ve seen it before, but I like the idea of the joist or the truss directly carrying a load. Looks like it could work in retrofits too.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 28, 2021, 11:44 AM
after going to the range with my daughter then next day go grocery shopping w the wife (we buy groceries once a month ). We were way short havent bought any since Xmas so we hit Costco and our normal grocery store, loaded that truck of mine up Its pretty much a most of the day event as we sort of live in the sticks and its a haul (30 mins min) ea way to the store. So now It seems Im can get back in the shop

 Ill start with this up date,

I ran the romex cables to the boxes, got one more home run cable to run acts as a junction box to connect all the new boxes to one i can run to the sub panel. Then see how many 20 amp outlets I have left on hand and off to HD buy more outlets and face plates if and a couple of 20 amp breakers.

Will add some photos of the outlets added a few more so I wont be needing more after insulating.

Thats about it more to follow....
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on January 30, 2021, 08:23 PM
well got all the wiring in outlets made up and breaker and wireing hooked up to breaker in the sub panel. I added a additional 8 outlest on their own 20 amp circuit. I made sure I used outlets that were rated to 20 amps. I also routed the 220v and 14 ga wiring in the sub panel to be hooked up when I get the ceiling fans and need the 220V the outlets without the face plates are the new ones. Its like a new one every 4 feet

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 09, 2021, 11:10 AM
Havent forgotten this thread so Ill give a update on whats been going on...

I got the electric ran got 110v outlets every 4' got wiring ran and boxes put in for the ceiling fans and the 220v ran to where Im gonna eventually put the split unit.

Been busy making more drawers for a cabinet I made to store my stains and finishes going to build another one for the HVLP and a graco airless I want to get.

Also got the ply to make some permenant storage for my systainers and take that spur shelving down.
Once its down and the Systainers have another home Im going to move my miter saw and MFTS to make a combo miter station and vacuum clamp station.

I figured out a way to make my festool cutting table a assy table. Ill be showing that once I get it set up.

The last week I flew to Seattle to help a friend whose bought a house here and is moving here pt time (snow bird) drive here. Took us 3 days to make the trip we didnt take breaks other than to eat get gas and sleep. So nothing going on there. had a bit of a adventure it was fun.

But as things progress Ill be posting more.

I think people are getting bored with the "I made drawers for" post w photos.

 So lots getting done but a lot more to do.

Im at the point now where I can think about insulation.

But nothing really interesting thats worth posting being done at the moment.

Wont be long until there is.

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 10, 2021, 11:55 AM
Though not exactly shop set up but I thought some of you might find this interesting.

I guess Im a little slow as Ive had these for a while.

 I was cutting drawer stock yesterday and thought if the MFT extension would work as a outfeed for my CMS.
I have the TS 75 saw module for it. For those that dont know , It isn't sold in North America for some reason and has been discontinued by Festool.

 I bought when I lived in the UK.

It fit and worked perfect.


Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 13, 2021, 11:41 AM
Im rearranging my shop again. Moving my 2 of my MFTs to the side along with the Kapex turning that into a comb, vacuum /miter saw/work station. Will build some under MFT cabinets to store my most used tools with the vacuum clamps and have the MFTs butted up aginst the spur shelving to make other tools available.

Opens up the center of the shop will only have One Mft I use for cross cutting my CMS/ Table saw and my cutting table which Ill make a top for to use as a assy table when needed and fold it up out of the way when not

The spot where the Kapex was Ill replace with a cabinet to mount my Kreg jig.

 Ill see how this works.

Its still in work

Photos to come.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 13, 2021, 06:56 PM
O kay, here are the photos, the vacuum clamps fold under the MFTs and are secured under them.

 The shop is a mess but will arrange it tomorrow so I will have room to build the under MFT storage.

It is a mess
Oh forget to mention everything on top of the MFTs are easily removable the old style Kapex extensions are held on with on knob on the crown stops.

 I used that black doohickey that is used to hold the rear of the fence of the MFT to hold the other end.
 very quick to remove if needed so along with being able to fold the clamps under the MFT means the MFTs are very useable if needed
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 14, 2021, 10:51 PM

Used the miter station today, stored the vac clamps heres what it looks like with the vac clamps stored. Decided I got to do something about that spur shelving and Systainers. Ill come up with something
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 18, 2021, 09:26 PM
Well worked some more on the miter/vac clamp station. I added some small cabinets under the MFTs to hld the systainers with the tools I use w the vac clamps, my edge bander, domino/dominos, my LR 32 and router for it.

So everything is right there. The vac clamps just fold under the MFTs when stored gives me the ability to use them as a work bench. Im building some shelving now that will fit next to the MFTs to store more Systainers hopefully Ill be able to remove the spur shelving and be able to finish this side board I started and start w organizing the garage

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Vondawg on February 19, 2021, 08:12 AM
Great looking work flow area.......and you can move it around when needed.
Enjoying following your progress
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 19, 2021, 10:43 AM
Thank you. I got some running around to do today, then Ill finish the systainer shelving,

I got some ideas about making a removable top for the STM,  turning it into a assy table.

Ill be discussing that soon
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: six-point socket II on February 19, 2021, 01:50 PM
Your shop is coming along great! So great to see all the pictures! :)

Kind regards,
Oliver
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 20, 2021, 12:33 AM
Thank You Oliver. Its coming along still got a long way to go. Lot of pieces ya know making drawers and cabinets and just putting the pieces together
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: GarryMartin on February 20, 2021, 04:59 AM
Looking great buddy! Good to see the old CTL made its way back to the US safely  [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 20, 2021, 09:30 AM
@GarryMartin

Hey Garry good to see yer name here again?

I havent seen it in quite a while.

All my stuff made it back which Im very lucky.

Lemme me when ya decide to come across the pond

It would be great seeing ya and hanging out again

Maybe even have another get together in yer honor  [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 22, 2021, 10:04 PM
well Nothing fancy or special but I made a book case to hold some of my Systainers the tools I use most w my vac clamps. Remember Nothing is installed and won't be until after the shop is insulated. I also added some drawers on another cabinet. Now i get to organize the drawers I made.

Heres a tip get a label maker and label / list the stuff in the drawers will save a lot of frustration.

Heres some photos of what i did shops still a mess to BTW
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 26, 2021, 08:11 PM
Still a work in progress. I started maing a top for my STM it will become my assembly table. I decided on using ultra lightweight 3/4 MDF.
 Not only is it cheaper its a better material to abuse and it weighs about the same as 3/4 ply. I ripped it down the middle at 24' and shortened the length to 7' to fit the STM better. Im using 4 braces to hold the top to the sam 2 per side.

Im using the woodpeckers jig to make the 20mm holes. Not stressing whether theyre perfectly aligned as its just for clamping using dogs to help with assy. I dont do any hard pounding either. his should help with glue ups to. If I cut anything ill remove the top and use the STM (after all thats what is for) and I use the GRS for cutting anyway

Heres a photo of one side (its all I finished today) cut into 2 pieces IMO will make it more versitle to as I may not need a full 48" wide area for assy and glue up.

I might go tomorrow to visit tombstone w my daughter.

So this may take a few days to post the final photos of it
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on February 27, 2021, 07:00 AM
Think you are doing great Jobsworth.
Having time to do the important things first is valuable, believe me, I know.
Getting work surface, benches, drawers and so on first to move into place when walls are ready are great. I’m struggling building up my temporary cramped space, without putting too much time I don’t have into it, but still keeping it ergonomic is time consuming.
I need my shop for my ongoing renovation, and very much for those small nice to do projects that brings the fun and hobby into it, I call it breaks  [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 27, 2021, 10:24 AM
@FestitaMakool

Me to. I have a lot of projects to do in the house. Thats why the rush to get the shop in order. I ave a new built house and need to make it mine.

BTW, Im starting to take bids to get the insulation done.

 Then I can permenanty install and adjust/ align everything and Ive built. Ill see how much more they will charge to install drywall to. If theres not that much difference ill go with that to. I have a budget in mind.

If the drywall is out of budget then ill come up with something else or wait till next year .
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: ScotF on February 27, 2021, 11:13 AM
This is coming along nicely, Ron. Do you have the pic of the final set-up of your top on the STM? Where did you source the lightweight MDF? That seems like a great solution for a nice, large top.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 27, 2021, 09:30 PM
@ScotF

Hey Scot good to hear from ya.

I haven't finished it yet. But when I do Ill post it here. I spent the day with my daughter. At first we were planning on going to tombstone see the OK corral. But she had a flat tire so We changed the tire, put the spare on drove it to the tire store to get it repaired.

We had fun hanging out looking at a few stores for something she wanted to get. Her car wasnt ready till about 3. They had it all day.

Anyway Ill get busy on it tomorrow should just about finish it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 28, 2021, 08:13 PM
I continued on making the top that will sit on my STM and become my assembly table.

The MDF is very very light especially cut in 24" widths I think all the material removed from the 20mm holes I added helped reduce weight.

Im thinking of putting some dominos in where the 2 edges come together for alignment purposes. I also have some ideas to make the rackets usable as they wouldnt work for some reason.

But heres the photos of the top sitting on the STM which will become my assembly table.

 I routed the other half setting it on a soon to be work bench which was formerly the top of my miter saw station.
 It seemed to work  much better and had a better result.

I also used the the things on the STM used for setting plywood on to load it on the STM as stops for alignment helps a lot

Here is the STM config I used when setting the top on it
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on February 28, 2021, 08:14 PM
@ScotF

See latest post above with photos
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Mike Goetzke on February 28, 2021, 08:53 PM
Very nice (large) shop! As far as Dominos to align your tops, I have three 32"x48" slabs that make up a teardown work table. I'm going to try to use a few Domino connectors to hold them tight.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: neilc on February 28, 2021, 10:03 PM
My only concern might be the dominoes reducing the strength on the edge of the MDF.  You might just use three cross pieces of 1x material with countersunk flathead screws into threaded inserts.  Gives you alignment and strength so you could potentially move the entire top with no risk of breakage.  You likely could not do that confidently with just loose Dominoes in the edge.

I put a Stanton bench top across one end of my STM1800 and really like the versatility of the dog holes and t-track with the top aligned to the other brackets of the STM1800.

Nice work on the shop!
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: ScotF on March 01, 2021, 01:39 AM
Very nice and a great work surface! Did you attach the top with the clips Festool sells (like the video Sedge showed when they did a FT Live a few month's ago)? Or is this just held with gravity?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 01, 2021, 11:03 AM
@neilc
Im thinking about just using the FT quick clamps to hold the tops down the dominos are for alignment purposes only Im going to start out using 4 dominos accross the top see how that works.

Ive thought about make a strong back on the underside. We'll see what happens

I got a cabinet to build today making a pocket hole station for my kreg jig. Photos to follow as things take shape.

Ill find out if I need to make any adjustments to the top. This will be the first time using it.

This is only the prototype for me.

@ScotF

I got 4 of the clips. I use 2 for the small work table like Sedge showed in his video.

Makes a nice small parts stand when Im making drawers.
 
Im going to order  4 more to see how they work.

 If they do what Im hoping I might just make this top modular in 4 sections.


All:
I know it seems like Im jumpig all over the place.

 I have a lot of ideas how to proceed with this assembly top. Im have conversations with others who have done the same thing, so its a day by thing on how this will end up.

 Please be patient.

 I dont want to be like most and show only the end item.
I want to be able show and explain my thoughts as to why Im doing what Im doing. 

Plus I get great feed back from ya'll which is what I like and want.

Were all in this together right?

Sharing ideas and concept.

For me right now its just a matter of testing this out. Make adjustments accordingly.

This will evolve as most things in a shop do.

 This is my (1st) photo type.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 02, 2021, 12:52 PM
Well tried the assembly top yesterday. I was a perfect size. However I found it does need some support on the ends or maybe trim it about a foot smaller in length.

Im going to use some of the FT clips/brackets/terminals and do some adjustments to see if that would make the ends more stable before I cut them.

Will keep ya informed as things chug along.

So on to Proto type rev 1
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on March 02, 2021, 12:54 PM
I put a Stanton bench top across one end of my STM1800 and really like the versatility of the dog holes and t-track with the top aligned to the other brackets of the STM1800.

Nice work on the shop!

That’s a great idea. The “Stanton top” is really nice, I think he did put a fire to many with that one. I’m looking at the Centipede foldable MFT style top to go with some customisation off course.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 04, 2021, 08:25 PM
@ Mike Goetzke

Great idea using the connectors to hold the pieces together. gives me a excue to buy the kit. Always want to get the connectors but didnt have a need. Now you gave me one   [big grin] [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 04, 2021, 08:35 PM
Ok so I think I solved my problem connecting the assy top to the STM. I ended up using 4 brackets/clips/terminal one on each end of the STM.

I used 2" thick pine I had left over cut to 70mm which is the size of the large wooden piece on the ends of the STM.

I took a festool rabbiting bot that I bought back from the UK and didnt mount my 2200 in my CMS and routed a rabbit to fit the bracket/clip/terminal. Photo of the rabbiting bit its the only bit that FT has that mounts to a arbor (sold seperately of course)

so I posted photos of the rabbited wood and the wood in the brackets. Now to secure the top to the bracket/wood.

Im thinking I might add a couple screws from the top and adjust the top so I can use a through domino from the 700. that should hold it securely

Mike Goetzke suggested that I use connectors to keep the sides together, thats a great Idea. Im gonna use it when I get my hand on some connectors or get the kit.

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 05, 2021, 06:03 PM
Used 3 ea and a screw per bracket to secure top. got a used 12x50s (they were 12x100) but cut them in half.

Kind of blurry

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 06, 2021, 11:34 AM
Taking bids for insuation I got 2 out

That  Im waiting for.

One is all spray in foam, the other is a combo bat on the walls spray for the roof rafters /trusses.

I got a what I think is a fair price in mind (havent let of them know what it is)

Lets see if either of these 2 can meet it.

I need it done before June thats when temp starts to heat up
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: green fever on March 08, 2021, 04:44 AM
Hey ron if it wasn’t for the travel restrictions I would be out there now sorting that shop insulation,
Save you a bunch of $$$ , been a while since I did a shop fit out buddy , 😀
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 08, 2021, 09:39 AM
I know Paul. I would be great for you to visit again.

 Youd like Az this time of year.

The desert is so different then what your used to.

Well hopefully they willlift them soon.

Perfect weather right now.

It will be till June then warm up.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: RustE on March 08, 2021, 09:54 AM
...
One is all spray in foam, the other is a combo bat on the walls spray for the roof rafters /trusses.
...

No ceiling batts?

Do you not have vented roofs down there?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 09, 2021, 11:55 AM
@RustE

"Do you not have vented roofs down there?"

yes.

my first bid for all spray foam included the rafters.

No ceiling batts?

that was the second bid. It was bats on the walls and spray foam on the ceiling not the rafters.

I really wanted the rafters open for storage.


Un like you we dont have cold weather here.

 We deal with heat.

 Only during the summer months.

Last summer which was record heat (50 straight days above 110)

I still manged to get shop time in and built a complete set of cabinets for my laundry room and spray finished them.

Thus the spray foam on the roof

I dont know what code is.

Im going to call them this morning to see if its required or not.

Im guess it is required by code.

But I will verify
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: RustE on March 09, 2021, 01:17 PM
...
I really wanted the rafters open for storage.
...
Un like you we dont have cold weather here.
We deal with heat.
...
Thus the spray foam on the roof
I dont know what code is.
...

Hot weather is why I thought about airflow from the soffits to the ridges. Perhaps your tile roof doesn’t need this airflow?

Otherwise, the only “question mark” I can think of about exposed spray foam is fire related.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jarbroen on March 09, 2021, 04:34 PM
If you insulate the ceiling(bottom of the rafter framing) you will have less area to keep cool on those super hot days.
I saw your comment about using rafters for storage - you could make an access hatch/flap for hucking things up there.
Or, if your ceilings are high enough you can buy/build storage racks that mount to the ceiling.

Another benefit of insulating the ceiling is that you can sheetrock the lid and provide fire-blocking.
Also, if you sheetrock(plus mud and tape) the ceiling and paint you will get a much brighter workspace.  It's amazing the difference going from bare drywall/wood to a painted surface.
Drywall is super easy to install - especially for a woodworker - if you want to save money and DIY.  However, make friends with a taper... that's the PITA step.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 09, 2021, 08:00 PM
thats the thing, Im not sure what Im going to put on the wall yet. Dry wall, T 111 paneling other things going through my mind right now and will cross that bridge when I get to it
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 14, 2021, 07:46 PM
Since insulators coming Thursday So i thought Id move the stuff out. Since I had help today I thought get her done. Im leaving the stuff outside by the shop Its pretty secure as Im in the middle of no where and my property is surround by a 6' block wall fence.

  The insulators will be in and out same day.

Someone mentioned that I should do away with the systainers and leave the tools out. At first I thought Nah.

But last night or early this morning I thought that is a pretty good idea. Maybe not for all my tools but the ones I use frequently and dont have alot of small accessories stored in the Systainers. So Im going to do that when things start going back in on Friday.

Now ya can understand why I built cabinets and set the shop up before insulation. Everything will be in place and set up for installation when I move back in.

There was a method to my madness
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on March 14, 2021, 08:40 PM
Looking good Ron, can’t even see the laser guided machine guns and the trip wires.  [wink]

Decided what you’re putting on the walls?

Ron
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on March 14, 2021, 09:55 PM
So what was the final decision on insulation approach?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 15, 2021, 12:45 PM
@rvcieceli

@Alanbach

Im going with full fill spray. The contractor whose doing it was the one who the builder used when he built my house. He has a good rep and good prices. His spray insulation quote was less then a quote I got for bat. Spray foam is all this guy does.

Im getting excited now.

 I can permenently install everything then get some projects done while thinking of whats next for the shop.

Still got lots to do
Title: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: RustE on March 15, 2021, 01:24 PM
Interesting. Wonder if the size of your shop uses a complete batch or two of the spray foam mix? That is, little to no wasted product.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on March 15, 2021, 02:09 PM
Super on the spray foam. But i was wondering about what you are covering that up with. Drywall, OSB, plywood. metal. etc?

Ron

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 15, 2021, 07:44 PM
Dont know yet.

All depends on budget.

Got some ideas prolly wont be done for a while...
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 18, 2021, 05:06 PM
well the insulators came and went knocked out the shop in about 4 hours heres some photos bare in mind that the photos were taken before they finished. But it will give ya a idea how it came out. They said i should wait 24-48 hours before I put the stuff back in the shop. Ill keep the roll up door open and the windows and it should be good to go by tomorrow

coming along, not sure what to put on the walls. Im thinking maybe a combo of T1-11 and dry wall or some paneling..... Ill have to think about it think about how it would look and price it out

 
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: RustE on March 18, 2021, 05:35 PM
Is there a fire-retardant in the foam?

I haven’t seen a French Cleat system mentioned yet.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 19, 2021, 10:18 AM
@RustE

They did it to code. The contractor is very well respected and been around for a very long time.  Spray foam is all they do.

they used the same foam they used on my house same contractor the builder used that did the shop did the house

No you haven't heard the french cleat system bc more than likely wont use it.

I havent decided whether Ill have wall cabinets or not.

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 20, 2021, 07:21 PM
So almost done resetting the shop up.

 I did not put a MFT in the middle with my CMS MFT attached to it like before.

Instead,  i put the MFT against the wall.

I do most of my cutting using the TSO GRS with the PGs using the STM. Plus with the STM assy top I made I cant see me using it much for cutting and setting stuff on.

The CMS VL, I attached to the CMS GE with my TS 75 mounted in it.

Opens up all sorts of space.

Makes for a nice milling center to

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: neilc on March 20, 2021, 09:57 PM
@jobsworth- take a look at https://power-loc.com/ (https://power-loc.com/)

I ordered two sets of them and they are really nicely made.  Might give you a simple way of connecting the two halves and keeping them co-planer by using short sticks under the top and chamfering the holes and using some of these connectors.

I ran across them in a Ron Paulk video a few weeks back.

Nice progress on the shop!
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 21, 2021, 02:08 PM
Thanks Niel.

Ill look into them more
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 25, 2021, 08:35 PM
So now with the shop pretty much together I start with the organization/ stowing things away. So I used the Fast Cap rail hangers to hang my 3000 and 1900 rails on the wall horizontally. I made some things to hang all my other rails on the walls vertically, basically 3 1400 rails (2 are holy rails) 2 1080 rails, 1 800 rail and I make a couple small rails from damaged ones a roughly 400 and 300. so heres some photos of those.
I used the spur shelving to hold the modules for my CMS. I have 3 modules the jig saw, router and TS 75. Right now I only have the jig saw module hung in it, but soon Ill make some plywood inserts to use the CMS tables with my bench top tools., I also got my pocket hole station about done.

One of the spur hangers i used to store my hoses and misc plug it cables and my extension cord (If I can Find it)

Im going to be making a clamp rack soon using the LR 32 system/ holy rail to drill holes and the jig saw to cut the slots to hang the clamps.

Excuse the mess in the photos thats what im trying to sort right now
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 26, 2021, 06:43 PM
Started building a clamp rack.

 I used the LR 32 system to drill the 1/2 dia holes and my CMS w my  Jig saw module to cut the slots for the clamps.

Couldnt finish had to take the boss (wife) to lunch.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on March 27, 2021, 11:59 PM
Today I finished the clamp rack nothing special but it got all my clamps hung and off the floor and out of the drawers for the smaller F clamps

This is rev 1 Im sure there will be others coming. I still deciding on what to put on the walls
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 04, 2021, 11:47 PM
Nothing Special today havent been in the shop the last few days so I thought today go spend some time.

I built a CMS insert for my bench top belt/disk sander combo. Its a little one but I use the heck out of it. I also set a cabinet near the out feed side of my CMS VL which I use primarily as a router table. this cabinent holds my router bits and stuff for the router table different collets spacers, wrench etc etc... also decided to drill some holes in the top t hold a screw driver , the took I use to turn the screws to tighten a module in place....
Like I said nothing special...

Oh I moved a MFT to the back wall cuz I felt I needed a work table there
 
Oh I think Im gonna dry wall the walls, dont know when as its starting to get hot now..its in the mid 90s and climbing... Maybe in the fall.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: FestitaMakool on April 05, 2021, 05:27 PM
You do impressively tidy.
Smart to make inserts for the CMS and being able to store on the wall. I’m thinking of doing similar with my simple green Bosch belt sander, and the FT planer to use as a very small jointer.

I know you too have these long aluminium accessories from Festool.. I have a very compact (small!) room were I have my workshop now. And I got really tired of storing these various profiles in a corner, risking knocking them over.
So I did this, a totally flexible shelf rack, not too far from yours in steel. I only wanted to make shelf pins that are dedicated to these extrusions, from KA-KS, UG wings, legs for KA-KS and the sliding table for the router table. I’ve just done the first for the sliding table (I’ll even scribe a bit for the profiles later). This is a rack I’m going to build on, moving in to larger space later this year I hope.

Just to give you an idea..

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Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on April 05, 2021, 05:51 PM
Hey Ron, I know you’re probably bleeding cash already, but try getting a drywall quote and get someone in there to knock it out in a couple of days.

I thought you were going to put in a mini split for cooling.

Ron
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 05, 2021, 07:38 PM
Yea Im bleeding profusely and my wallets shaking in fear  [embarassed].

I got request out for a couple of quotes for drywall. I was going to hold off but thought , hey its the last piece might as well get it done .

 we'll see how the bids come in.

Worse comes to worse I have a friend whose pretty good at drywall willing to give me hand.

But Im old and well beat up going to the Drs in May get my shoulder looked at.

 Anyway, Im going to get it done....

Yah I got 220v ran for the min split.

 Dont know if Ill get it done this year.

 Hoping the summer wont be as brutal as last years
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 07, 2021, 09:41 PM
Got a bid today on dry walling my shop.... Ouccchhhh, got another coming next week and got a couple of referrals to some other contractors from the same guy who referred the insulator to me.

Well see how that goes. Worse comes to worse, Ill use some paneling or even T111. I can install that myself and no muding or taping
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Christophl on April 08, 2021, 11:08 AM
Hi Jobsworth, I'm installing elec. now, and was thinking of DW, would you mind sharing the estimate per linear ft/sq ft?  And I too was thinking T 111 if DW was too spendy
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Imemiter on April 08, 2021, 11:16 AM
Drywall ceilings and paneling on the walls can look nice.
 
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 08, 2021, 07:46 PM
@Christophl

Im using 3/8 thk T-111 4x8 sheets. Im getting it for $31.30 a sheet. I expect to pay about $1000k If I do it myself.
by using T111, yes it cost more, but there is no mudding or taping involved. I got 10' walls , Im not sure if Im going to t=put the full sheet on the top or bottom. Im think of the bottom. No ones gonna be looking at the walls above 8' any way. I also found some rustic barnwood looking panels I might use on the back wall. should make it look nice....

I cut and pasted this from the quote. This is only one quote. Im expecting another one next week.



Work Shop: Hang 1/2 inch sheet rock                                3,085.00
and round  corner bead , tape seams                                       
apply two coats of joint-compound o                                       
1,387 sqft of surface.       

@Imemiter   
Im not covering the ceilings only the  walls.

But maybe that rustic paneling would look good in the office area                                           
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Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Michael Kellough on April 08, 2021, 08:05 PM
“ No ones gonna be looking at the walls above 8' “

Might be the opposite. The lower part of the walls will probably be covered by cabinets tools workbench etc.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on April 10, 2021, 01:41 AM
If you call around you might be able to find some T1-11 siding in 4’x10’ pieces. They do make it.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 10, 2021, 02:06 AM
@Alanbach

Oh they make it and my supplier could get it, but he told me it was pretty expensive.  So I went with 8' instead
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 10, 2021, 02:13 AM
Ok started on setting the T-111.

 Came out ok not great but OK once I dress it up itll look fine.

Made a stand to set the siding on to keep it the same level. Used a level to make sure it was. Still got a piece to cut thats less than 48" w Ill come back to it My son will help me with the heavy stuff next week. Hes home on leave.



Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 15, 2021, 10:48 AM
Hi ya'll havent forgotten yas.

Been busy hanging the 3/8  T111.

It isnt the best looking install (havent set siding in many many many moons.

But compared with paying the contractor to install drywall, Im saving over $2K.

So I can live with a few ooopsies that I can correct. Fixing the ooopsies will make a nice summer project with the heat. Its already starting to get warm here.

Insulation does make a difference.

My sons on leave and been giving me a hand (using his muscles) which is nice as Ive been doing all this solo.
Did with a little help from my daughters...

Taking full advantage of having the son home  [big grin]

If I get around to it Ill take some photos or might wait till I piece everything in.


If not tomorrow
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Christophl on April 15, 2021, 11:57 AM
Thank You!  And boy, that's expensive!  I just finished wiring up my shed yesterday and I'll prob. go with T1-11 too.  But 4" on center.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 18, 2021, 11:40 AM
No photos yet guys. Im a few pieces short of finishing the t 111.  I got to go buy maybe 3 more sheets. I got enough to piece in some of the gaps in the lower section of the wall. I prolly will take photos today.

Special shout out to @Don T. who stopped by and gave me a hand yesterday as my sons leave is over and he had to return to base.

Thought I may add this to the discussion.

Seems to be a good place in the build and set up process.



Lessons learned which were a lot so far:

Remember i did the set up other than the insulation on my own.

Cost more to build the shop than I anticipated.

Needed a lot more work/ money to set this up that I anticipated and didnt think it through w all the things which I didnt think about ,  you know the didnt know what I didnt know.

Working alone takes a lot more time the I anticipated.

Building a shop form scratch maybe a lot of peoples dream, but it takes time a lot of time and work.

The time invested seems like it will be fun as you are well building your shop right?

But it turns into a job. To get it done its a everyday effort, like going to work which takes the thrill out of it after a while.

You will make mistakes putting it together , you will compromise things may not look as nice as you pictured in you mind.

 But with time and tweaking it will turn out to be a very nice shop.

But time is the key.

It drags on and gets to the point ya just want to get it done and over with and start building projects.

Once you keep that in mind that you can tweak and correct over time it does make you feel better.

I will feel like a big accomplishment once you finish. I know Ill feel that way once Im finally done.

Oh chances are it wont look like these guys shops on You Tube who have hugh following at first which sort of look like a showroom or display and get stuff /tool donated to them.

Im sure it will over time. Thats where the tweaking comes in and once yous tart enjoying the shop building things you can take yer time and make it like the shop of your dreams.

FYI I started this thread Jan 2020 when i was moving here. I moved into this house early April 2020 so Ive been dealing with this shop for about a year now starting with funding a contractor ad architect to make the drawings......
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on April 18, 2021, 05:04 PM
I totally get what you are saying. After doing a baby version of this many years ago, when I moved into our current house in 2008 I contracted much more of the work than in previous iterations. I hate that I didn’t build all of the cabinets in this shop and I hate that I did not do all of the wiring myself but ultimately I was glad that i did it the way that I did it so I could get the shop in order and ready to work right away.

Either way, once you have everything where you want it you will be so happy and proud that you have done it and have it how you want it. Ultimately you are going to be so happy that you have this comfortable space to go to anytime you want.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 18, 2021, 05:18 PM
well as promised,
here the photos of the shop

with the siding up, well most of it.

Still got to patch in a few pieces here and there. Hide my oooppssies and Oh shucks

 But its pretty much complete..

Now put the stuff back where it should be and straighten and tidy it up when I finish it. Take a break from the grind and go back after a bit.

 im going to do a couple of projects finish one just to break up the grind

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Don T on April 19, 2021, 12:52 AM
Looks good buddy especially the pieces I helped you with. Haha
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on April 19, 2021, 05:39 AM
Looks good. 24'x24' is a nice size shop.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 19, 2021, 10:15 AM
@Don T


ripped that strip yesterday gonna finish installing it today.

Got 1 more sheet of T 111 left. Ill cut that up in about a hour or so and fit it.

I think Im about 2 or 3 short of finishing this ..
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 22, 2021, 10:42 AM
picked up 2 more sheets of T111 to finish the shop area (not office area). Plan on starting some projects paper towel holders, edge band dispensers , peg board organizers etc

Ill post as I get them done.

 Plus want to finish that side board I started back in Oct that was interupted by my ankle surgery ad setting the shop up.

 So lots coming....
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on April 30, 2021, 11:01 AM
 Just a heads up to everyone following this thread

Theres nothing really going on.

 I did do some things like build a thing to hold my TS55 got the idea from another poster who showing his shop off here.

 Looking to get some peg board to hang some things from.

Also using up some of the plywood scraps I got lying around and dont want to throw away, so Im going to make some cabinet doors out of them.

Use some 1/4 scraps for the center panel.

 
 Dont know how they will come out as its the chinese imported ply but after sanding a painting (eventually) they may look ok.

Photos to follow I got some running around to do, seems like thats all Ive been doing the last fews days. [unsure]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Christophl on April 30, 2021, 01:29 PM
Really great job there!!  And I couldn't agree more Jobsworth!  I did the elec work exc the 220V sub panel. I too am hanging T1-11 in my whopping 11x15 shed.  Have two sheets up so far and it looks fantastic.  I used 4" OC T1-11.  It's exactly like 'going to work' lol

I need to get one corner finished soon as my new Sawstop PCS/3hsp arrived early and is sitting under a tarp outside.  Hopefully I'll get this in this weekend.

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on May 01, 2021, 02:41 AM
@ Christophl
the beauty of the T111 is ya can paint it or leaving it natural. I left mines natural and ya can screw stuff to it. The 3/8 I use wont carry a lot of weight but I can screw some thing to it

To me the T111 was a bargain, Im not real good a hanging dry wall, I can but not very good at it and working alone the T111 was a one person job though 2 made it faster. PLus not counting having to buy dry wall tools that I wouldnt really use after I finished the shop
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on May 06, 2021, 10:47 AM
Sorry ya'll for not posting much lately. Ive sort of taken a break doing a few other things then building stuff for the shop.

 I still havent done much.

But what I did do was make some cabinet doors. There are only 3 cabinets right not that I need to build doors for.  So because of the width I made 2 doors per a cabinet.

I made them simple using up some of the scrap I have left over from the build. Plywood rales and styles and a 6mm/ 1/4 center panel.

 Didnt get to fancy just pocket hole together.

The for the center panel I routed a rabbit aound the back side of the door to set the panel in used sylicone to hold the panel in.

A simple trick I picked up from Gary Katz (one of his videos) was rather than chiseling/ squareing up the corners of the door to fit the panel, cit the cornors off the panel at a diagonal (no particular angle) thats a quick and dirty way to set the panel in the door.

Im gonna be setting up the office part soon enough. Its getting hot out here in Az. 97 this week with a spike up to 99 today.

Still not to bad for Az.
So much like last year Ill still be chugging along just a little slower. got the shop insulated and paneled right on time

Heres a photo of the back side of the door.  Nothing special or fancy just showing you how I fit te panel.



Oh one thing I forgot to mention is the STM with the MDF top I made for it. I tell ya truthfully Iwasnt sure how well or if it would be all that much of game changer putting that MDF top on it.

Well I can tell ya this after using it for a while now Ive been useing it as a aseemble table, parts table, cross cutting and ripping directly on it (as the entire piece cost me only $36 buck at the time) I have no worries about cutting into it like I did cutting into my MFTs.

So Im pretty happy about it right now. Plus I can just pop the top up leaning them against the wall fold the STM up store it under a MFT outta the way..

Well I got 2 more doors to make, the longest piece of 3/4 scrap is 29" long the cabinet is 30". So Ill just screw a 1 1/2" piece across the top front to be able to use the remaing scrap ply.

With the cost of lumber now really dont want to waste anymore then I have to

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on May 20, 2021, 10:06 PM
Been busy with a couple of projects however here are a couple of photos of updates to te shop

Bc I used T111 I can screw things right to the walls so I hung up things on the walls.

On the end of the cabinet run I made a spot to store my TS55. I saw someone make something simular for their shop and like the idea. Its right where I keep my SYM and make my cuts so its a good spot of it
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: TXFIVEO on May 29, 2021, 10:04 AM
Very nice!!   Good job.  I need to do some work to my shop for shelving/storage but just haven’t had the time.  I’m booking jobs 12 weeks out as it is so can’t find a couple days to work on the shop or my enclosed trailer.  That’s an entire different beast altogether.   
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on May 29, 2021, 11:51 AM
Thanks

Yah it does take a lot of time and it does turn into a grind setting up a shop.

Im still doing a few things to it as the majority of it is done.

That trailer build is going to be a great thread. Look fwd to following it.

If ya dont mind, I might be picking your bring on how about I go about getting a track for this barn door idea i got.

It will be a bit before I build it.

 lots to do in this house its new and only been in it about a year, so lots to do
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: TXFIVEO on May 29, 2021, 12:48 PM
Of course.  I’m here to help in anyway I can.  Feel free to reach out.  I’ll message you my contact info.  That’s what it’s all about…picking each other’s brains and experiences to help us out.   Have a new hanger system I’m trying out soon that is totally hidden.  Pretty cool. 
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Pompeio on May 29, 2021, 03:42 PM
Hi Ron:
You have only been in your new house one year.  This month was the second year anniversary since we moved into our new house! I finished the family room and den cabinets but still have the tv room cabinetry to start then the downstairs will be done.
I started building cabinets/shelves for the areas on both sides of the living room fireplace and will start installing them next week.  One side at a time.
I sometimes think I will never get done.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on May 31, 2021, 01:06 AM
@Pompeio

Heygood to hear from ya bud,

 post some photos no photos then it didnt happen  [big grin]

Well now its getting to our hottest time of year. I started on a small project. Almost done with that. So next will be a bed. Man I got alot of stuff to do. its almost overwhelming .

But it sounds like yer getting settled into your new home.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Christophl on May 31, 2021, 01:34 PM
So do you use that large triangle to check for square corners...so that you don't need the 24" square?  I've been avoiding buying the latter due to cost.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on May 31, 2021, 08:46 PM
@Christophl

I bought them to square up my MFT. But now I use the GRS so ya I use them for checking square and squaring things up.

Give Don Ware or Allan Kensly a call at Anderson Plywood.
They were selling large squares cut on a CNC fairly reasonable.

They quit selling them,  but the last time I was there I axed them if they had any left and they did. Something like $29.
Its very accurate as accurate as the WP square
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Christophl on June 01, 2021, 01:05 PM
That would've been perfect, I called and they are only selling them locally due to damage UPS kept doing to the squares.  Ugh...$29 is hard to beat lol
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on June 02, 2021, 06:33 AM
That would've been perfect, I called and they are only selling them locally due to damage UPS kept doing to the squares.  Ugh...$29 is hard to beat lol

If they are properly packaged how do they get damaged?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on June 02, 2021, 11:14 AM
@Christophl

Maybe you can make yer own out of MDF or Phenolic.

Do a search for "woodworking wizard" here. Ian (RIP) was a genius at coming up with making stuff like squares. If i remember correctly he did make some pretty cool squares.... It was sometime ago but the post should still be accessible
Title: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: RustE on June 02, 2021, 11:20 AM
That would've been perfect, I called and they are only selling them locally due to damage UPS kept doing to the squares.  Ugh...$29 is hard to beat lol

If they are properly packaged how do they get damaged?

Mine wasn’t. Basically it was wrapped in cardboard, no buffer for anything to get dinged or smashed. Really disappointing since they could get decent boxes and other materials from ULine or similar.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on June 02, 2021, 10:49 PM
That would've been perfect, I called and they are only selling them locally due to damage UPS kept doing to the squares.  Ugh...$29 is hard to beat lol

If they are properly packaged how do they get damaged?

Mine wasn’t. Basically it was wrapped in cardboard, no buffer for anything to get dinged or smashed. Really disappointing since they could get decent boxes and other materials from ULine or similar.

That's my point. Sounds to me like the root of the problem is the one who packaged the item, not UPS and their handling practices which I admit are questionable at times.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Christophl on June 03, 2021, 12:39 PM
@Christophl

Maybe you can make yer own out of MDF or Phenolic.

Do a search for "woodworking wizard" here. Ian (RIP) was a genius at coming up with making stuff like squares. If i remember correctly he did make some pretty cool squares.... It was sometime ago but the post should still be accessible

Thanks, found this:  https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/90*-jig/msg454109/#msg454109

But I really need a 24" Square to check sheet goods. 
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on June 04, 2021, 10:51 AM
quick update

its starting to get hot here in Az.

 Its going to be 106 today.

So I moved all my batteries inside the house (even though the insulation and paneling make the shop alot cooler).

The will ruin batteries.
So for fathers day I ax the kids to get me a small fridge for the shop.

I can store my batteries in it along with some drinks (hydrate hydrate hydrate) over the summer.
maybe put my glue bottle in it to.

heat has a adverse affect on titebond.

looking at a swamp cooler to cool the shop down

maybe next year
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Christophl on June 04, 2021, 01:34 PM
Did you consider a mini split? It's a very affordable option, I went for a Pioneer Mini Split that's awesome ;)  106 is insanely hot lol
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: rvieceli on June 04, 2021, 01:50 PM
Ron - stick a mini split in there. Most of them can be installed DIY. they have kits with pre-charged line sets.

You can sometimes find a HVAC guy that will out and check your install and charge the system for you.

Ron
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on June 04, 2021, 04:53 PM
@rvieceli

yah i seen them for about $1K at HD recently on sale, next year ill have one or a swamp cooler
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on June 13, 2021, 07:48 PM
Nothing special, but I have a new addition to the shop today. My girls gave it to me for fathers day (They ax what I wanted and I told them)

seeing hows it 109 today and expected up to 115 next week the Az summer is upon us.

Hear can litterally mess batteries up and we all know they arent cheap.

So I had my girls get me this 3.3 uft fridge. It sits nicely on a work table.

I just plugged it in this morning and put the batteries in . What a relief having the ability to keep batteries in the shop again.

Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on June 13, 2021, 10:03 PM
What's the optimum battery storage temperature?
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on June 14, 2021, 12:21 AM
@Bob D.

Dont know.

 Do you?

 I do know that heat affects battery life.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on June 14, 2021, 04:47 AM
No, that's why I asked. I have not looked but there may be some recommendation in the manual for an acceptable storage temperature range for batteries.

Just as a guess I would say what's comfortable for us Humans.

So I would hazard a guess and say set the fridge to the highest setting you can to save energy and still keep the batteries cool.

Unless you plan to use it to keep drinks cool too but too cold is probably as bad for batteries as too hot.

Just found this:  How to Safely Store Lithium Ion Batteries

https://www.uschemicalstorage.com/how-to-store-lithium-batteries/

So looks like 59°F(15°C) is the place to be but they recommend following the manufacturers guidelines of course.

From a Festool cordless tool manual. I would imagine they all read about the same.

"Store in a cool, dry place at a temperature between 5 °C and 25 °C."
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Michael Kellough on June 14, 2021, 10:05 AM
= 41-77 degrees Fahrenheit.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on June 14, 2021, 02:15 PM
@Bob D.

Thanks its going to be 115 today and most of the week so the firidge is kept at #4 Im going out there soon add some drinks.

Got to really hydrate in this weather. I still woodowrk but take my time work until the heat gets to me then in the house and chill. Maybe go to a mall walk around to get out of the house a bit
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Alanbach on June 14, 2021, 02:18 PM
So basically you need a wine fridge and you can store all of your red wine right next to the batteries😊! 55 degrees Fahrenheit is perfect for both 😂!
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on June 14, 2021, 11:37 PM
Hey gotta class the place up dont I [big grin]
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: Bob D. on June 15, 2021, 05:31 AM
Install a stand alone solar system just big enough to power only a small mini-split AC unit.
Don't tie it into the house or the grid.
Works only when the sun shines but for you that most of the day all year long.
Title: Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
Post by: jobsworth on June 17, 2021, 09:24 PM
Bob D. Thanks Ill look into it