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Offline neilc

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #330 on: February 28, 2021, 10:03 PM »
My only concern might be the dominoes reducing the strength on the edge of the MDF.  You might just use three cross pieces of 1x material with countersunk flathead screws into threaded inserts.  Gives you alignment and strength so you could potentially move the entire top with no risk of breakage.  You likely could not do that confidently with just loose Dominoes in the edge.

I put a Stanton bench top across one end of my STM1800 and really like the versatility of the dog holes and t-track with the top aligned to the other brackets of the STM1800.

Nice work on the shop!

Offline ScotF

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #331 on: March 01, 2021, 01:39 AM »
Very nice and a great work surface! Did you attach the top with the clips Festool sells (like the video Sedge showed when they did a FT Live a few month's ago)? Or is this just held with gravity?

Thanks!

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #332 on: March 01, 2021, 11:03 AM »
@neilc
Im thinking about just using the FT quick clamps to hold the tops down the dominos are for alignment purposes only Im going to start out using 4 dominos accross the top see how that works.

Ive thought about make a strong back on the underside. We'll see what happens

I got a cabinet to build today making a pocket hole station for my kreg jig. Photos to follow as things take shape.

Ill find out if I need to make any adjustments to the top. This will be the first time using it.

This is only the prototype for me.

@ScotF

I got 4 of the clips. I use 2 for the small work table like Sedge showed in his video.

Makes a nice small parts stand when Im making drawers.
 
Im going to order  4 more to see how they work.

 If they do what Im hoping I might just make this top modular in 4 sections.


All:
I know it seems like Im jumpig all over the place.

 I have a lot of ideas how to proceed with this assembly top. Im have conversations with others who have done the same thing, so its a day by thing on how this will end up.

 Please be patient.

 I dont want to be like most and show only the end item.
I want to be able show and explain my thoughts as to why Im doing what Im doing. 

Plus I get great feed back from ya'll which is what I like and want.

Were all in this together right?

Sharing ideas and concept.

For me right now its just a matter of testing this out. Make adjustments accordingly.

This will evolve as most things in a shop do.

 This is my (1st) photo type.
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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #333 on: March 02, 2021, 12:52 PM »
Well tried the assembly top yesterday. I was a perfect size. However I found it does need some support on the ends or maybe trim it about a foot smaller in length.

Im going to use some of the FT clips/brackets/terminals and do some adjustments to see if that would make the ends more stable before I cut them.

Will keep ya informed as things chug along.

So on to Proto type rev 1

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #334 on: March 02, 2021, 12:54 PM »
I put a Stanton bench top across one end of my STM1800 and really like the versatility of the dog holes and t-track with the top aligned to the other brackets of the STM1800.

Nice work on the shop!

That’s a great idea. The “Stanton top” is really nice, I think he did put a fire to many with that one. I’m looking at the Centipede foldable MFT style top to go with some customisation off course.
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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #335 on: March 04, 2021, 08:25 PM »
@ Mike Goetzke

Great idea using the connectors to hold the pieces together. gives me a excue to buy the kit. Always want to get the connectors but didnt have a need. Now you gave me one   [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #336 on: March 04, 2021, 08:35 PM »
Ok so I think I solved my problem connecting the assy top to the STM. I ended up using 4 brackets/clips/terminal one on each end of the STM.

I used 2" thick pine I had left over cut to 70mm which is the size of the large wooden piece on the ends of the STM.

I took a festool rabbiting bot that I bought back from the UK and didnt mount my 2200 in my CMS and routed a rabbit to fit the bracket/clip/terminal. Photo of the rabbiting bit its the only bit that FT has that mounts to a arbor (sold seperately of course)

so I posted photos of the rabbited wood and the wood in the brackets. Now to secure the top to the bracket/wood.

Im thinking I might add a couple screws from the top and adjust the top so I can use a through domino from the 700. that should hold it securely

Mike Goetzke suggested that I use connectors to keep the sides together, thats a great Idea. Im gonna use it when I get my hand on some connectors or get the kit.


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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #337 on: March 05, 2021, 06:03 PM »
Used 3 ea and a screw per bracket to secure top. got a used 12x50s (they were 12x100) but cut them in half.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #338 on: March 06, 2021, 11:34 AM »
Taking bids for insuation I got 2 out

That  Im waiting for.

One is all spray in foam, the other is a combo bat on the walls spray for the roof rafters /trusses.

I got a what I think is a fair price in mind (havent let of them know what it is)

Lets see if either of these 2 can meet it.

I need it done before June thats when temp starts to heat up

Offline green fever

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #339 on: March 08, 2021, 04:44 AM »
Hey ron if it wasn’t for the travel restrictions I would be out there now sorting that shop insulation,
Save you a bunch of $$$ , been a while since I did a shop fit out buddy , 😀

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #340 on: March 08, 2021, 09:39 AM »
I know Paul. I would be great for you to visit again.

 Youd like Az this time of year.

The desert is so different then what your used to.

Well hopefully they willlift them soon.

Perfect weather right now.

It will be till June then warm up.

Offline RustE

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #341 on: March 08, 2021, 09:54 AM »
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One is all spray in foam, the other is a combo bat on the walls spray for the roof rafters /trusses.
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No ceiling batts?

Do you not have vented roofs down there?

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #342 on: March 09, 2021, 11:55 AM »
@RustE

"Do you not have vented roofs down there?"

yes.

my first bid for all spray foam included the rafters.

No ceiling batts?

that was the second bid. It was bats on the walls and spray foam on the ceiling not the rafters.

I really wanted the rafters open for storage.


Un like you we dont have cold weather here.

 We deal with heat.

 Only during the summer months.

Last summer which was record heat (50 straight days above 110)

I still manged to get shop time in and built a complete set of cabinets for my laundry room and spray finished them.

Thus the spray foam on the roof

I dont know what code is.

Im going to call them this morning to see if its required or not.

Im guess it is required by code.

But I will verify
« Last Edit: March 09, 2021, 12:03 PM by jobsworth »

Offline RustE

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #343 on: March 09, 2021, 01:17 PM »
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I really wanted the rafters open for storage.
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Un like you we dont have cold weather here.
We deal with heat.
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Thus the spray foam on the roof
I dont know what code is.
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Hot weather is why I thought about airflow from the soffits to the ridges. Perhaps your tile roof doesn’t need this airflow?

Otherwise, the only “question mark” I can think of about exposed spray foam is fire related.

Offline jarbroen

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #344 on: March 09, 2021, 04:34 PM »
If you insulate the ceiling(bottom of the rafter framing) you will have less area to keep cool on those super hot days.
I saw your comment about using rafters for storage - you could make an access hatch/flap for hucking things up there.
Or, if your ceilings are high enough you can buy/build storage racks that mount to the ceiling.

Another benefit of insulating the ceiling is that you can sheetrock the lid and provide fire-blocking.
Also, if you sheetrock(plus mud and tape) the ceiling and paint you will get a much brighter workspace.  It's amazing the difference going from bare drywall/wood to a painted surface.
Drywall is super easy to install - especially for a woodworker - if you want to save money and DIY.  However, make friends with a taper... that's the PITA step.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #345 on: March 09, 2021, 08:00 PM »
thats the thing, Im not sure what Im going to put on the wall yet. Dry wall, T 111 paneling other things going through my mind right now and will cross that bridge when I get to it

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #346 on: March 14, 2021, 07:46 PM »
Since insulators coming Thursday So i thought Id move the stuff out. Since I had help today I thought get her done. Im leaving the stuff outside by the shop Its pretty secure as Im in the middle of no where and my property is surround by a 6' block wall fence.

  The insulators will be in and out same day.

Someone mentioned that I should do away with the systainers and leave the tools out. At first I thought Nah.

But last night or early this morning I thought that is a pretty good idea. Maybe not for all my tools but the ones I use frequently and dont have alot of small accessories stored in the Systainers. So Im going to do that when things start going back in on Friday.

Now ya can understand why I built cabinets and set the shop up before insulation. Everything will be in place and set up for installation when I move back in.

There was a method to my madness

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #347 on: March 14, 2021, 08:40 PM »
Looking good Ron, can’t even see the laser guided machine guns and the trip wires.  [wink]

Decided what you’re putting on the walls?

Ron

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #348 on: March 14, 2021, 09:55 PM »
So what was the final decision on insulation approach?

Offline jobsworth

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« Reply #349 on: March 15, 2021, 12:45 PM »
@rvcieceli

@Alanbach

Im going with full fill spray. The contractor whose doing it was the one who the builder used when he built my house. He has a good rep and good prices. His spray insulation quote was less then a quote I got for bat. Spray foam is all this guy does.

Im getting excited now.

 I can permenently install everything then get some projects done while thinking of whats next for the shop.

Still got lots to do

Offline RustE

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Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #350 on: March 15, 2021, 01:24 PM »
Interesting. Wonder if the size of your shop uses a complete batch or two of the spray foam mix? That is, little to no wasted product.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #351 on: March 15, 2021, 02:09 PM »
Super on the spray foam. But i was wondering about what you are covering that up with. Drywall, OSB, plywood. metal. etc?

Ron


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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #352 on: March 15, 2021, 07:44 PM »
Dont know yet.

All depends on budget.

Got some ideas prolly wont be done for a while...

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« Reply #353 on: March 18, 2021, 05:06 PM »
well the insulators came and went knocked out the shop in about 4 hours heres some photos bare in mind that the photos were taken before they finished. But it will give ya a idea how it came out. They said i should wait 24-48 hours before I put the stuff back in the shop. Ill keep the roll up door open and the windows and it should be good to go by tomorrow

coming along, not sure what to put on the walls. Im thinking maybe a combo of T1-11 and dry wall or some paneling..... Ill have to think about it think about how it would look and price it out

 

Offline RustE

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #354 on: March 18, 2021, 05:35 PM »
Is there a fire-retardant in the foam?

I haven’t seen a French Cleat system mentioned yet.

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« Reply #355 on: March 19, 2021, 10:18 AM »
@RustE

They did it to code. The contractor is very well respected and been around for a very long time.  Spray foam is all they do.

they used the same foam they used on my house same contractor the builder used that did the shop did the house

No you haven't heard the french cleat system bc more than likely wont use it.

I havent decided whether Ill have wall cabinets or not.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #356 on: March 20, 2021, 07:21 PM »
So almost done resetting the shop up.

 I did not put a MFT in the middle with my CMS MFT attached to it like before.

Instead,  i put the MFT against the wall.

I do most of my cutting using the TSO GRS with the PGs using the STM. Plus with the STM assy top I made I cant see me using it much for cutting and setting stuff on.

The CMS VL, I attached to the CMS GE with my TS 75 mounted in it.

Opens up all sorts of space.

Makes for a nice milling center to


Offline neilc

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #357 on: March 20, 2021, 09:57 PM »
@jobsworth- take a look at https://power-loc.com/

I ordered two sets of them and they are really nicely made.  Might give you a simple way of connecting the two halves and keeping them co-planer by using short sticks under the top and chamfering the holes and using some of these connectors.

I ran across them in a Ron Paulk video a few weeks back.

Nice progress on the shop!

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #358 on: March 21, 2021, 02:08 PM »
Thanks Niel.

Ill look into them more

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #359 on: March 25, 2021, 08:35 PM »
So now with the shop pretty much together I start with the organization/ stowing things away. So I used the Fast Cap rail hangers to hang my 3000 and 1900 rails on the wall horizontally. I made some things to hang all my other rails on the walls vertically, basically 3 1400 rails (2 are holy rails) 2 1080 rails, 1 800 rail and I make a couple small rails from damaged ones a roughly 400 and 300. so heres some photos of those.
I used the spur shelving to hold the modules for my CMS. I have 3 modules the jig saw, router and TS 75. Right now I only have the jig saw module hung in it, but soon Ill make some plywood inserts to use the CMS tables with my bench top tools., I also got my pocket hole station about done.

One of the spur hangers i used to store my hoses and misc plug it cables and my extension cord (If I can Find it)

Im going to be making a clamp rack soon using the LR 32 system/ holy rail to drill holes and the jig saw to cut the slots to hang the clamps.

Excuse the mess in the photos thats what im trying to sort right now
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