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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #270 on: January 01, 2021, 06:06 PM »
Well made another set of drawers, now that Im set up got the tools set up Im knocking them out. I was surprised how quickly I got all the pieces cut and milled. tomorrow glue up and hopefully install.

Heres the photo of my wall mounted DC. Im planning on lowering it a bit so the bag will fit better. It has a zipper on the bottom to empty it. I unzipped it let the dust go into the can.

That bag fills up very fast.

Remember its just for the jointer and planer. Im thinking about getting a piece of 4" hose, cutting a hole in the lid of the trash can and run the hose directly into the trash can.

What ya think of that idea?

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« Reply #271 on: January 01, 2021, 08:22 PM »
Maybe I misunderstood what you’re saying about running a hose directly into the trash can but you need the bag (or some other kind of filter) to let the air flow through. A hose from the impeller directly to the closed can would blow the lid off and send debris everywhere. Or, if you did a great job of keeping the lid on, the system wouldn’t collect any debris from the planer.

If you made a big fitting that the zippered end of the bag could fit over, and that fit tight on the trash can, and that the hose from the impeller fit into, then you wouldn’t have to mess with the bag as much (just bang on the sides occasionally), but you’d be better off to buy an inexpensive dust collector, and maybe modify it a little, take it apart and mount it up out of the way on the wall.

If you think through the evolution of small shop dust collectors you can choose features that would suit your shop better. The first version that went beyond what you have was to add an upper bag so flow would not be impeded even when the lower bag became full. Next, the lower bag was replaced with a can. Then the upper bag was replaced with a pleated filter (and often included an integral shaker to clear the pleats). Cyclonic separation was added too.

The easiest improvement for you setup is to get a bigger bag. Next would be to hang the bag upside down over a trash can with a big Tee fitting in between the bag and can. That would probably be satisfactory.

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« Reply #272 on: January 02, 2021, 09:42 AM »
would one of those big 55 gal trash bags work rather than that bag that came with it?

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« Reply #273 on: January 02, 2021, 11:09 AM »
would one of those big 55 gal trash bags work rather than that bag that came with it?

It could be used if you made a way to securely connect the plastic bag to the open zippered end of the cloth bag. Or better yet a large Tee between trash bag and overhead upside down cloth bag would probably work.

You need a cloth bag or other filter to allow the air to pass through. Otherwise the system won’t suck, like what happens when the exhaust port is clogged on a vac.

Another example of very simple dust collector is a Delta I bought about 40 years ago. It is a large fiber drum on wheels in which the debris is collected. On top of the drum is a special lid which supports the motor/impeller. The impeller sucks air out of the drum and blows it through a cloth bag that is attached to the impeller which a large hose clamp. The vac created in the drum pulls debris in through the flexible hose which is connected to the planer or jointer. It works very poorly but is better than nothing. It would be a good candidate for adding a Thien baffle but I went with a Jet be with pleated filter drum instead.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/vs-lumberjocks.com/mhbegn1.jpg

It’s a primitive design. Too much of the debris goes into the bag which fills and reduces flow which reduces suction just like when the vac bag fills. A Thien baffle would greatly reduce the amount of stuff going into the bag.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #274 on: January 02, 2021, 12:15 PM »
What about building a chip box?
In the top would be a connection for the dust collector that goes down into the box.
In either a side panel or the top would be a pleated air filter, like a HVAC cold air return grille that accepts a filter.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #275 on: January 02, 2021, 12:17 PM »
Ron - You can keep the trash can idea if you want but you have to devise a way to let the air out of the can without letting the dust out. There are a lot of examples on the interwebs. Many folks replace the top of the can with a home made one that includes a fittong for the udt hose and the a spot for a replaceable filter to release the air but keep the dust in.

You could also look for a bigger cloth bag to replace the current smaller bag.

But you might want to take a hard look at upgrading your dust collector. I'm looking at a couple from Oneida:

https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/personal-shops/1-5-hp-mini-gorilla-cyclone-dust-collector

https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/personal-shops/dust-cobra-full-unit-hepa-2-stage-vacuum

Both of those are HEPA.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #276 on: January 02, 2021, 01:07 PM »
I use something like the rocker dust separator ...into it first then the dust
Collector

     https://www.rockler.com/dust-right-4-dust-separator-components
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« Reply #277 on: January 02, 2021, 06:36 PM »
Thanks guys. Ive axed on another forum and they came up with something similar as the rockler separator . Personally  think Id rather buy a large replacement bag. This isnt going to me my main DC its just for the planer and jointer which I use infrequently.

Well today, Assembled the drawers for the last cabinet on that side. Went to lunch with the wife had a nice day. Tomorrow sand and install the drawers.

These didn't come out to well, But they are for the garage Ill redo them in the future. The goal now is to set the shop up.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #278 on: January 02, 2021, 09:37 PM »
"What ya think of that idea?"

I think you will need to have some place for the exhaust air to go. Right now it filters out through the bag I would expect, but once you hard pipe that into the trash can there will no longer be any venting and you will be trying to pressurize the can.

My DW735 planer came with a cloth topper for a trash can. It has a drawstring closure around the top of the can and connects to a 4" hose which runs to the planer. You could set up something similar which should work if you don't have one already.
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« Reply #279 on: January 02, 2021, 09:39 PM »
Here is what I am talking about. I believe it came with the planer, not an accessory.

https://www.amazon.com/dewalt-dw7353-collection-accessory-planer/dp/b0000ccxuc?tag=indifash06-20

Looks like it's NLA. I checked DeWalt's site. It would work with any brand planer or jointer of DC.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2021, 09:42 PM by Bob D. »
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« Reply #280 on: January 03, 2021, 10:51 AM »
This looks like what you were asking for.

https://www.rockler.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5c5edcf249a74e99ece620285918bb9b/5/3/53522-04-1000_2.jpg

The pre-separator lid would help too as long as you seal the joints. Shrink wrap.

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« Reply #281 on: January 04, 2021, 08:50 AM »
I finished the drawers on the right side so I thought I’d start filling them up. So I took all my sandpaper out of their boxes when I moved  and tie wrapped them together easier to pack that way.
I started making small boxes but found it inefficient. So I made a organizer which enabled me to sort them all so far😎. Hope these photos can load cuz I’m useing my iPad as my puta is on the fritz

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« Reply #282 on: January 11, 2021, 11:32 AM »
I noticed I havent really posted anything since 4 Jan so Ill give a up date. I had computer problems needed to replace the battery ordered it replaced it now Im good.

I found the spot I want to hang my clamps. I used a couple of old 2x4s to clamp them to. Nothing special but it gets them out of the way and where I want them. Once I get the shop set up and usable  (after I insulate it. Ill make a nice clamp rack.  Photos later on. I got ply leaning against them right now plus I moved stuff scattered on the floor out of the way But over all its starting to look like a shop.

Got a buddy coming over in a couple of weeks to help me finish wiring the shop so once the wirings in place I can start getting bids for insulating the shop.

 Photos later on. I got ply leaning against them right now plus I moved stuff scattered on the floor out of the way But over all its starting to look like a shop.
Bought some cheap imported ply. Gonna use it for the top of the miter station. the wife and I got a Drs appts today so not sure if Ill be able to get it done today.

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« Reply #283 on: January 11, 2021, 09:17 PM »
well I put a top on the cabinets for the miter station along with the fence.

Nothing is set permanently bc it all has to be removed  when I get the shop insulated.

Screwed some 2x4s to the studs to hang my clamps. I think thats where Ill keep them. Ill make a decent clamp rack once everything is set up premenantly .

Youll notice the back of the fence is raised a bit thats because theres a tape measure at the end of the fence (by design). FYI The Fence is the OG Kapex extensions.

Once I extend the fence out (it will extend out quite a bit both sides of the saw) the fence will be flat bc the tape will be off the top on both sides. One photo I took so you can see the tape

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #284 on: January 11, 2021, 11:41 PM »
Looking good! I love the drawers/cabinet integration. Very practical use of space.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #285 on: January 12, 2021, 12:20 AM »
Well made another set of drawers, now that Im set up got the tools set up Im knocking them out. I was surprised how quickly I got all the pieces cut and milled. tomorrow glue up and hopefully install.

Heres the photo of my wall mounted DC. Im planning on lowering it a bit so the bag will fit better. It has a zipper on the bottom to empty it. I unzipped it let the dust go into the can.

That bag fills up very fast.

Remember its just for the jointer and planer. Im thinking about getting a piece of 4" hose, cutting a hole in the lid of the trash can and run the hose directly into the trash can.

What ya think of that idea?
I believe Jet came out with a new separator that fits onto their dust collector. It’s an improvement to the prior. I think it can be modified to a Harbor Freight 2 horsepower separator. I spoke to Jet/powermatic tech support in the summer and they said it was getting released. I’m sure it’s out by now. You could probably connect the separator midstream to your DC. You would need to go onto their site or call jet tech support. I think the price was around $30-$40?
It’s similar to the old one but better. There was an article in 2011 in Fine Woodworking “ Jet - Jet- Vortex Cone Dust Collector” that talked about the separator. There’s also a few companies that make pleated filters that greatly increase efficiency
« Last Edit: January 12, 2021, 12:50 AM by mkasdin »

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #286 on: January 12, 2021, 08:58 AM »
I found the cone itself as an upgrade kit here:

https://www.toolnut.com/jet-dc1100-ca-vortex-cone-retrofit-kit-fits-dust-collectors-with-20-housing.html

I wonder how this might work on other brand dust collectors.

I have a Delta 50-850 which I believe is similar to the Jet in size and capacity.

For $26 it might be worth the gamble.
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« Reply #287 on: January 12, 2021, 12:41 PM »
Might work on yours but mine is a different DC as its wall hung and has no upper bag dust is just sucked in and goes straight to the collection bag

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #289 on: January 12, 2021, 04:07 PM »
Might work on yours but mine is a different DC as its wall hung and has no upper bag dust is just sucked in and goes straight to the collection bag

My wife is a woodturner and we got her the Rockler 1,250 wall mounted DC with the cartridge filter...  https://www.rockler.com/rockler-wall-mount-dust-collector-1250-cfm

Pieces of bark made quite the bang and really the bag is pretty small, so we got this... https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-grizzly-growler-cyclone-separator/g0863

We got them on sales, so not quite the prices shown. Moving my 55 gallon separator with the rockler connectors mentioned above was a non-starter for her.


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« Reply #290 on: January 12, 2021, 07:23 PM »
@RobS888

Nice set up. I looked at the Rockler wall munted DC. But because Im only using it for my 12" makita planer and my jet jointer,Which I dont use all that much.
 I went with a cheap DC.
I use my FT CTs for everything else.

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« Reply #291 on: January 14, 2021, 08:43 AM »
Great progress @jobsworth !

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« Reply #292 on: January 14, 2021, 10:18 AM »
Thanks Oliver, its a slow process to BTW.

Back to making some more drawers I didnt see the need of posting photos as I already did for the last batch of drawers.

My next build will be a cabinet to act as a Kreg jig station. Ill build it a little shorter so the jig will match up with the height of the miter saw top and Ill store my Kreg jig accessories there in a Systainer that will sit behind the Kreg Jig. Photos will come after i finish and install the drawers.

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« Reply #293 on: January 16, 2021, 09:40 PM »
In todays exciting episode
I finished the drawers installing tomorrow.

 Finally the unicorn knowns as my back ordered insulated roll up door and was installed today still got to color match. No motor or gear chain needed its small enough I can easily raise and lower it. Maybe in the future Ill put a motor drive on it. Already wired for it

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #294 on: January 17, 2021, 01:21 PM »
In todays exciting episode

U been watching scott brown carpentry?
turns out that woodworking is 1% making things you'll use, 4% making bespoke high end firewood, 15% cleaning, and 80% looking for the bl**dy thing you just put down
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« Reply #295 on: January 17, 2021, 07:32 PM »
Dont miss a episode love the guy

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« Reply #296 on: January 18, 2021, 06:14 PM »
Ditto, it’s one of the few I’m waiting for  [big grin]
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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #297 on: January 18, 2021, 07:47 PM »
In todays exciting episode

U been watching scott brown carpentry?
I loved his unboxing of the Mafell beam saw. That thing’s a beast -$10k for a circular saw!!!


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« Reply #298 on: January 18, 2021, 08:39 PM »
Hes fun and informative. I liked when he decided to get rid of his dealt miter saw and went to buy a Kapex

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« Reply #299 on: January 18, 2021, 08:41 PM »
So in todays exciting episode,

Finished the last of the drawers for the miter station though it isnt done it is functional .

You can tell I need doors shelves etc theyre coming.

I have a decsion to make, I have a sheet of ply left and Im thinking whether to make shelves and doors out of it, or build a pocket hole station for my kreg jig.

Decisions ...Decisions.... Heres what the basic config of the miter station looks like.

Whatever I decide to do when I finish it,

I need a break from building cabinets.

Maybe Ill finish a side board/ bar I started before I had my ankle surgery and or run the wiring....