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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #210 on: December 07, 2020, 10:05 AM »
Hehehehehehe,

Thanks Alan for the offer Alan.

Thats one reason Im building the cabinets before I insulate . I want to determine work flow and where to place electrical outlets. After I trim and assemble the 3 I built, Ill run to the Home toy and pick up a few boxes and add them . Then temp install the cabinets. temp install cuz I know Im going to be moving either the 2 MFTs or the MFT CMS I use for my router table. Im going to move the CMS first. See how that goes.

Oh BTW the ankles feeling great better than before Im happy I got the surgery I can walk painlessly now stand up as long as I want no pain... Bet I can wear sandals in the summer now to [thumbs up]
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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #211 on: December 07, 2020, 01:46 PM »
So glad to hear that you are getting into dancing shape, especially now that your shop is ready for you! Personally I did not need to test layouts to influence my electrical plan. I just installed metal quad boxes every four feet all around the perimeter with three more boxes on the ceiling. I put two circuits in each quad boxes and then alternated them around the room. So box one has circuits one and three in it and box two has circuits two and four in it. Box three is back to circuits one and three and so it goes around the room. I think I added 22 receptacles (with two plugs in each) in what amounts to a two car garage. All are 20 amp and all are GFI protected and they are on six separate circuits. To say that I will never have to worry about 110 V receptacles again is an understatement. Don’t say it! I know!

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #212 on: December 07, 2020, 01:51 PM »
Alan, I just love to hear from other neurotically capable people.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #213 on: December 07, 2020, 02:07 PM »
@rst  It’s possible that I may take the cry once thing to new heights. In my defense I had the electrical work done twelve years ago and have not to change or add one thing and I have never popped a breaker.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #214 on: December 07, 2020, 02:15 PM »
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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #215 on: December 07, 2020, 02:35 PM »
I did about the same and went ahead and added a 20 amp home run 240 volt outlet between each 4 outlet 110 boxes. Dropped a 50 amp 240 in the wall under the panel and a couple 30 amp circuits throw in just because. I put them up high enough so you could lean a 4 foot sheet of ply on the wall and still access them. They cleared everything that I have put against the wall, bench, tool cabinets etc.

I hate crawling around in attics and having to fish wire.

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« Reply #216 on: December 08, 2020, 09:35 AM »
I have open stud bays, so its nothing more than drilling and pulling wire through the holes to the boxes. I do have a couple I have to run to the ceiling joist but no biggie.

Since I run mainly all festools I need the boxes conveintly placed where I can plug in my CTs and a couple of other tools like my small wall mountable dust collector to use when I run my jointer or planer.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #217 on: December 08, 2020, 11:29 AM »
As others have chimed in...the original circuit in the basement was light tan. I then added a separate gray & a separate white circuit and identified them by using different color GFCI outlets.
In the areas where there is drywall installed the tan, white & gray outlets are also surrounded by the correct colored faceplate. Makes it super simple to identify the electrical run and prevent overloading a single circuit.


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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #218 on: December 13, 2020, 11:11 AM »
Started building the miter saw station ad added a few more electrical outlets with more to add, gonna add another 110V circuit and a 220V circuit.

Just a temp install not even screwed to the wall as I will move/ and adj them and when Im done and satisfied with the layout Ill get the shop Insulated. So the temp install will make it easier to remove and insulate and replace....

Today going to find a spot for my wall hung Dust Collector that Ill use for my Makita planer and Jet jointer. Every thing else Ill use my CTs

Coming along nicely still lots more to do and to come


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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #219 on: December 13, 2020, 11:41 AM »
Hi Ron

Forgive me, I know nothing of the way you build things in the US....

What goes on the other side of the Sterling board? Do you have insulation and then brick or block work?
Also, how many amps is the supply to the workshop? Do you have any 240 volt supply available as I used to have in our house in Canada?

Peter

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« Reply #220 on: December 13, 2020, 12:05 PM »
Hi Ron

Forgive me, I know nothing of the way you build things in the US....

What goes on the other side of the Sterling board? Do you have insulation and then brick or block work?
Also, how many amps is the supply to the workshop? Do you have any 240 volt supply available as I used to have in our house in Canada?


Had to look up "sterling board",  it's just called OSB here (orientated strand board).  It's just a wood frame building, he has his stucco finish on the outside, he can insulate in the cavities before covering the inside of the walls.  It's a wood frame building.

He has 220V from his post,  he mentioned a 100A panel before.  With some rare exceptions, Anytime one runs a panel it's 220V as that is how our electricity works.  You will find some old garages, or ones that people just didn't plan where they just run 1 or 2  110V circuits from the house, this sucks.  But generally most folks will run a 60-100A service out to a garage/shop from the house, so then they can wire it up full of 110 and 220V circuits.

If he didn't put a panel in his shop, I think most of us would just shun him  [big grin]

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #221 on: December 13, 2020, 03:15 PM »
Thanks for the explanation.

Peter

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #222 on: December 13, 2020, 07:05 PM »
@Peter Parfitt

What Deformed Tree said.

Other than please keep in mind everything youll see being done in my shop except the electrical, will be Temp installed until I get the shop insulated. By the time I get the shop insulation Ill petty much have the work flow down and thew shop in order so I can remove everything get the insulation done and put everything back.

I did just temp installed a wall mounted dust collector that I can use for my Makita planers (thicknesser) and Jet Jointer. They put out to many chips for a CT to keep up with.  Ill add photo tomorrow after I go to the Dr and pick up some ply and bead board on the way home

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #223 on: December 14, 2020, 01:22 AM »
Hi Ron

I now understand how the workshop is built. So, with 240 volts does that mean that you could run some of the kit that you had bought over here without a transformer?

Peter

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« Reply #224 on: December 14, 2020, 08:31 PM »
Yes I could if I bought some  [big grin]  We have things that are 220V here, Like the aircon I want to eventually put in the shop. It will be 220V, for example. We have other things like air compressors , table saws that are 220V. We can choose to use either 110V or 220V.

Once the insulation is installed and drywall/ wall covering is installed it makes it alot more difficult to add wiring. So I perfer to add the 220v circuits before all that gets installed.

Im of the school its better to have it and not need t and to need it and not have it

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #225 on: December 15, 2020, 06:45 AM »
Ron, did you happen to set a couple floor boxes for 120v and/or 240v power out to the center of the space or run any ductwork in the slab for dust collection. I know I would like to not have hoses and cords dropping down from the ceiling in my shop. I do have them clustered into one group but sometimes you have to work around them when maneuvering a large piece and I would like to have a boom arm but the power cords and dust collection drops in the center of the shop kinda kill that.
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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #226 on: December 15, 2020, 12:01 PM »
darn, That was something I didnt think of.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #227 on: December 15, 2020, 12:09 PM »
I've always thought one of those raised panelized floors like they use in computer server rooms would be handy. Not sure if they are beefy enough to handle heavy stationary machines though

Ron

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« Reply #228 on: December 15, 2020, 06:46 PM »
As promised/mentioned here is the photo of my wall mountable DC its a shop fox dust collector.

 I hung it on the wall, still gotta attach the bag to it. Thinking about attaching plastic garbage bags and put a trash can under it. I only will use this for my makita 12" planer and my Jet jointer all the other collection will be done using my festool CTs .

Spent the day ripping and sizing plywood. That STM really makes handling plywood easy, its still heavy but this makes it doable. Tomorrow ill be using the LR 32 making shelf pin holes and edge banding with the contouro. Next on my agenda is making drawers for these cabinets various sizes to start being able to store stuff, still need to get bead board and the hanging thingies to hang stuff from the bead board.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #229 on: December 16, 2020, 07:42 PM »
Nice start Jobsworth [smile]
Looking forward to see the progress. I’m moving rooms myself, to a more half permanent but yet small space, until final destination, hopefully next summer.

I can see you need a table-protection-disc for your coffee cup...  [wink] Condensating hot cups don’t do MFT’s any good  [big grin]

Hoping you’ll tell about your chip extractor, considering this solution myself, very space saving.
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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #230 on: December 16, 2020, 09:34 PM »
@FestitaMakool

That dust collector (DC) works very good for what I use it for my makita 12" planer and my Jet jointer. Its fairly inexpensive compared to other types of DCs out there. Only draw back was the size of the bag that came with it it fills up quick. But then I was planing 6 ea of 2"X12"x8' pine board which created a lot of chips.

Todays exciting adventure in the shop, I got a late start but got the shelf pin holes in all 6 of the cabinets sides. using the vac clamps (2 heads) really made it go fast and easy theyre close to each other mounted of the ends of a MFT so I just switched between sides and when I finished both I swiveled the vac heads around and finsihed the other sides.

Tomorrow edge banding and trimming then off to Blowes to pick up a trash can for the shop and maybe some bead board and spur shelving.

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« Reply #231 on: December 16, 2020, 10:39 PM »
@FestitaMakool

That dust collector (DC) works very good for what I use it for my makita 12" planer and my Jet jointer. Its fairly inexpensive compared to other types of DCs out there. Only draw back was the size of the bag that came with it it fills up quick. But then I was planing 6 ea of 2"X12"x8' pine board which created a lot of chips.


You said the CT can't handle the planer.  Do you have the cyclone? I'm wondering if that would make a difference.  Or maybe the answer is use a Chip box, and then have the CT suck from there (maybe less for the chips, more for dust/maintain the airflow of things.  I've been looking for solutions when the time comes for this.

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« Reply #232 on: December 17, 2020, 08:46 AM »
Yes I have a FT cyclone. I found that if is use very very thin cuts and slow in between cuts the CT can handle the planer. Other wise it will clog. But for about $150-$200 bucks I got the wall mountable DC which seems to work good other than the bag filling quickly which I mentioned.

I guess if you have a DeWalt which Ive HEARD dont know for sure, has a chip ejector maybe a chip box or a CT may work. I just got tired of stopping and cleaning out the clogged cyclone and CT hoses every 3 minutes or so.

A regular shop vac may work better than a CT but I chose to go with a wall mountable DC

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #233 on: December 17, 2020, 11:14 AM »
The DW735 does have a chip ejector which works well.
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« Reply #234 on: December 17, 2020, 12:24 PM »
I've been looking at the Makita like you have.   Getting other vacs and such isn't an option, as everything I have is portable/compact.   Thats why an intermediate chip box can be an option.  I know a planer is at the limits of a CT, but that would be the most extreme thing I have going, thus why finding a usable path works, doesn't need to be perfect, I won't be running a forest thru the thing.

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« Reply #235 on: December 17, 2020, 09:32 PM »
@DeformedTree

I own the Makita 12" planer and love it. They havent changd the design over the years it looks like the original Its light and gives a great surface finish with min snipe. It has a positive stop for repeatable sizing when planing.

Now for todays exciting shop activities

Ok edge banded today then ran to blowes picked up some spur shelving and a Kreg Corner clamp I want to see if it will help me aligning the corners on the cabinets making them easier to screw together.  Ran in and out, didnt get a trash can or bead board like I went there for. so tomorrow Ill assemble the cabinets check that jig out put a temp base down to set the cabinets on maybe have time to hang the spur shelving and put some systainers on them


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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #236 on: December 18, 2020, 03:07 PM »
Ok, that’s a new one on me. What is spur shelving? And don’t say that it is shelving😊!

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« Reply #237 on: December 18, 2020, 05:28 PM »
Ill take a photo ina minute got to run out to the shop for a bit.

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Re: Setting My New Shop Up (Formerly Shop Build Progress)
« Reply #238 on: December 18, 2020, 06:23 PM »
Jobsworth, do you have a 50mm hose you can hook up to your planer?
A 50mm hose moves a lot more air..

I have a couple of 50 hoses I’m gonna test on my band saw, bench sander and a small jointer.
Reason for trying is that my chip extractor’s motor just died, and no time before Christmas to get a new motor or extractor. Not just there yet to have a go..
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« Reply #239 on: December 18, 2020, 06:46 PM »
@FestitaMakool

Yah I got one but I just dont think the extractors pull enough suction to be effective. Try it and let us know what ya find out

@Alanbach Photos below


So I crewed the cabinets together for the other side of the miter saw station. I wanted to start getting stuff off the floor so I put the spur shelving up. I should of used the 3rd support i bought instead of just 2, tomorrow I add the 3rd support. Still got more systainers to set on the shelving. Once I get the cabinets built and set permanently Ill use the spur shelving for the garage.

That Kreg corner clamp really worked good with was like a 3rd hand holding a corner together while I screwed it and helped with the other 3 screws for each joint.

I took a photo of the clamp and the shelving for those who dont know what spur shelving is..

Once I put the base down and set the cabinets on it Ill take a photo of them.