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Offline Jim Kirkpatrick

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Ultimate Workshop Tour
« on: December 16, 2019, 05:56 PM »
Just when you think you have it pretty gall darn good, there's always someone who has it better...
EDIT:  This video was taken down at the behest of the shop owner... :-\
« Last Edit: December 27, 2019, 12:15 PM by Jim Kirkpatrick »

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2019, 07:14 PM »
Speechless.
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2019, 07:26 PM »
Speechless II...

What I’d like to know is what project is that other guy working on when the home owner has all this equipment?

An in-ground pool maybe?  A runway for a personal plane? 

Every other project could be performed by the home owner.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2019, 09:19 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2019, 07:28 PM »
That dove tail jig is pretty interesting  [blink]
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2019, 07:32 PM »
That dove tail jig is pretty interesting  [blink]

My thought exactly Mario. The dovetail box thing is now a lot more interesting.

https://kellerdovetail.com/models.html

« Last Edit: December 16, 2019, 07:48 PM by Cheese »

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2019, 08:45 PM »
Speechless II...

What I’d like to know is what project is that other guy working on when the home owner has all this equipment?

An in-ground pool maybe?

Every other project could be performed by the home owner.

A lot of suspicious comments along those lines on the video  if you go to YouTube. It's like watching American Pickers. You want to believe it's real but you know it isn't. Something fishy going on with this arrangement.

I wanted to build something like that vacuum system. Someone posted about the company that makes it a while back. It's ultra expensive.
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2019, 09:23 PM »
That guys has way too much money.  Ive never seen a small shop like that have so much high tech equipment.  Unreal.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2019, 09:25 PM »
@Cheese I have two of these

and when I saw the dovetail jig I knew it would be a perfect application to put them in use  [wink]

From L.V.
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2019, 06:28 AM »
The owner of the shop is real and a member of the original FOG (Felder Owners Group). He has all the equipment. The video showed up on our site too. The premise of the video is suspect since nothing about the trim job was ever mentioned except in the comments. Another bit of click bait for You Tube hits. Its amazing how many of these shops are around. They typically are owned by Doctors of all professions and are better equipped than most professional woodworking shops trying to make a living and not playing.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2019, 07:08 AM »
The guy could have spent his money on a Maserati… This is way cooler.  [cool]
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2019, 07:20 AM »
The guy could have spent his money on a Maserati… This is way cooler.  [cool]
Unless he already owns one...

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2019, 09:03 AM »
Shops like this are rare in the hobbyist community, but not unheard of. I'd estimate that several dozen members of the other FOG have similar setups. Personally speaking, I could have purchased a lifetime of furniture and cabinetry for what my tools cost. But saving money isn't the point. As a full time engineer, working behind a computer 10 hours a day, one becomes a bit disconnected from the physical world. In my spare time, I like to pursue hobbies that are both intellectually stimulating and require a bit of hands on hard work. Woodworking is a great outlet for both, which increases my overall happiness and physical well being. It's hard to put a price on that.

I'll venture a guess that many owners of these high end shops have a similar rational.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2019, 09:44 AM »
I wanted to build something like that vacuum system. Someone posted about the company that makes it a while back. It's ultra expensive.

I think that vac system uses Nordfab ducting. A manual Nordfab 6" blast gate runs $55, while the automatic version runs $600.  [eek]

It's pretty nice stuff, it's leak free and sections connect together quickly just using an over-center clamp.

https://www.quick-fit-ducting.com/media/nordfab-pdf/technical-manual.pdf

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2019, 10:31 AM »
Both the vacuum table and the press are from Barth which might be owned by Martin now. The Barth vacuum table was probably around $8,000.00 and the Multipress would be $20,000.00+. A very extravagant hobby shop but who cares its his money to do with as he pleases. The great thing is that when he's done playing there will be a lot of affordable great equipment on the used market.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2019, 11:41 AM »
any ways, real or not that dovetail jig was simply amazing  [eek]
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2019, 11:56 AM »
Two different people. To the best of my knowledge, about 100 or so Barth 500v tables exist in the US.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2019, 12:06 PM »
Maybe the whole 'project bid' from the OP is just a ploy to drive subscribers to the "Extreme Woodworker" channel. Whole thing stinks.
Enough with conspiracy theories. Someone showing a shop, so what. Thousands of videos like this.
Extreme Woodworker is a member here on FOG, very professional, great videos.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2019, 12:07 PM »
Not quite the same. Similar capabilities and style, but significantly different price points for many items. ExtremeWoodworker has a world class shop, but the gentleman in the most recent video is on another level. Easily double the total.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2019, 12:09 PM »
Maybe the whole 'project bid' from the OP is just a ploy to drive subscribers to the "Extreme Woodworker" channel. Whole thing stinks.
Enough with conspiracy theories. Someone showing a shop, so what. Thousands of videos like this.
Extreme Woodworker is a member here on FOG, very professional.

I was out of line and retracted my comments. I made a mistake. I personally don't have anything against these guys showing off their shops. I'd have the same setup if I had the money. Some guys find joy in expensive cars, others in tools.
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2019, 12:21 PM »
Maybe the whole 'project bid' from the OP is just a ploy to drive subscribers to the "Extreme Woodworker" channel. Whole thing stinks.
Enough with conspiracy theories. Someone showing a shop, so what. Thousands of videos like this.
Extreme Woodworker is a member here on FOG, very professional.

I was out of line and retracted my comments. I made a mistake. I personally don't have anything against these guys showing off their shops. I'd have the same setup if I had the money. Some guys find joy in expensive cars, others in tools.

Unfortunately the negativity expressed by individuals in the YouTube comments and other forums will trickle back to the shop owners. My guess is they will be hesitant to share again. As a community we all lose when those with passion and some great ideas retract into the shadows. Sure, 99% of the viewers don't own comparable tools, but there are always gems to be found. His dovetail jig was a perfect example. That's within the reach of many here.

Hopefully ExtremeWoodworker finds some time to post new content. I've watched all of his videos...learned a ton.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2019, 12:29 PM »
Unfortunately the negativity expressed by individuals in the YouTube comments and other forums will trickle back to the shop owners. My guess is they will be hesitant to share again. As a community we all lose when those with passion and some great ideas retract into the shadows. Sure, 99% of the viewers don't own comparable tools, but there are always gems to be found. His dovetail jig was a perfect example. That's within the reach of many here.

Hopefully ExtremeWoodworker finds some time to post new content. I've watched all of his videos...learned a ton.

No argument there. And I just found a new channel to dig through the content.  [big grin] I'm pretty sure if I posted my tiny shop up on YouTube I'd get all sorts of people coming after me with their negativity. I didn't even know some of these machines existed until watching the video from the OP.
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2019, 01:01 PM »
This reminds me of my shop. I have a lot of the same tools. These for example:


Similarity ends there.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: December 17, 2019, 02:58 PM by Svar »

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2019, 02:43 PM »
This reminds me of my shop. I have a lot of the same tools. These for example:

Those are the beater chisels he uses for opening cans of finish.  [big grin]

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2019, 02:48 PM »
This reminds me of my shop. I have a lot of the same tools. These for example:
Those are the beater chisels he uses for opening cans of finish.  [big grin]
My Marples are my good chisels  [crying]

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2019, 07:17 PM »
Maybe the whole 'project bid' from the OP is just a ploy to drive subscribers to the "Extreme Woodworker" channel. Whole thing stinks.
Enough with conspiracy theories. Someone showing a shop, so what. Thousands of videos like this.
Extreme Woodworker is a member here on FOG, very professional.

I was out of line and retracted my comments. I made a mistake. I personally don't have anything against these guys showing off their shops. I'd have the same setup if I had the money. Some guys find joy in expensive cars, others in tools.

Unfortunately the negativity expressed by individuals in the YouTube comments and other forums will trickle back to the shop owners. My guess is they will be hesitant to share again. As a community we all lose when those with passion and some great ideas retract into the shadows. Sure, 99% of the viewers don't own comparable tools, but there are always gems to be found. His dovetail jig was a perfect example. That's within the reach of many here.

Hopefully ExtremeWoodworker finds some time to post new content. I've watched all of his videos...learned a ton.

Read the right forums, understand what you are being told by the people in the know, ask the right questions and you too can make videos. Extreme woodworker is far from extreme but does have time to make videos from what he has learned from others. He's just like a lot of hobbiest trying to make it in the You Tube world. Try making a living in the woodworking world today, that's extreme. LOL

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2019, 07:30 PM »
Extreme woodworker is far from extreme but does have time to make videos from what he has learned from others. He's just like a lot of hobbiest trying to make it in the You Tube world. Try making a living in the woodworking world today, that's extreme. LOL
I'm pretty sure he is a professional.

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2019, 07:42 PM »
Extreme woodworker is far from extreme but does have time to make videos from what he has learned from others. He's just like a lot of hobbiest trying to make it in the You Tube world. Try making a living in the woodworking world today, that's extreme. LOL
I'm pretty sure he is a professional.

Depends upon what you mean by professional, but from what I recall, woodworking was not his primary occupation.  Just a life long hobby, at a high level.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2019, 08:59 PM »
That is my shop.  I was told that video was re-posted here.  I am a member of this group, but posting under a different account I just created as my username is my real name.  In this case, I do not want my name associated with that video and the associated negative comments about me.  I just had Richard, the guy who has that Youtube channel post a comment on my behalf that is pinned and you can read it.

You may know that some think of you as "rich guys" with "more money than brains" etc. for being "Festfools" for buying this "overpriced" equipment instead of Porter Cable and DeWalt.

For those of you that have provided me with information here, many thanks.  I always value help and advice, something I was able to get a lot of in the Felder Owners Group in particular over the years.  Richard of DFW Crown impressed me as a very talented trim guy and I figured I could learn from him.  So many different skill sets involving the use of wood - and the skills for trim are different than for cabinetmaking and furniture making and chair making and guitar building etc.

I am glad someone picked up on my dovetail jig setup.  I really like using that with a router table.  Very easy and very accurate.  But of course, that is not the same level of craftsmanship as the dovetails on Andy Rae's tool cabinet.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2019, 09:42 PM »
These are the jigs for the Keller.  FYI

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2019, 09:44 PM »
Another picture

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2019, 09:49 PM »
Thanks for sharing a tour of your shop. I encourage you to remain active here under an alias. Some will criticize. Just ignore them. Others will be grateful. Personally, I could learn a lot from how you’ve integrated the various tools shown into your workflows.

I’m fairly new to woodworking with a basement shop still in the setup phase. I recognized a lot of your tools because I own similar equipment. Felder, Barth, Rangate tooling, etc. Any additional photos of tools walls and storage ideas would be welcome. I’m also interested in what you like and don’t like about the multi press. I just assembled mine (non grid version).

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2019, 11:06 PM »
That is my shop.  I was told that video was re-posted here.  I am a member of this group, but posting under a different account I just created as my username is my real name.  In this case, I do not want my name associated with that video and the associated negative comments about me.  I just had Richard, the guy who has that Youtube channel post a comment on my behalf that is pinned and you can read it.

Richard of DFW Crown impressed me as a very talented trim guy and I figured I could learn from him.  So many different skill sets involving the use of wood - and the skills for trim are different than for cabinetmaking and furniture making and chair making and guitar building etc.

I am glad someone picked up on my dovetail jig setup.  I really like using that with a router table.  Very easy and very accurate.  But of course, that is not the same level of craftsmanship as the dovetails on Andy Rae's tool cabinet.

Martin, first off, I'm in awe of the equipment you have in your shop. I covet the equipment but obviously my needs are different than yours and consequently I can get by with less. But that's neither here or there. I am also a big fan of your dovetail jig and will probably fabricate a similar version because the simplicity of using the jig is the charm.

What really brought this thread to the fore front is why with owning the equipment you do, and having the hands-on talent that you have, what made you decide to outsource the trim job. That's pretty much basic stuff that you'd be fully capable of completing yourself unless I'm missing something. Just trying to learn..

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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2019, 11:28 PM »
I am not wanting to outsource. I am wanting to have him work with me.  He is an expert in crown and wainscoting and spraying trim etc.  He knows a lot of tricks, and I could learn a lot and as a bonus the work would get done WAY faster than I could do it.

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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2019, 11:43 PM »
I am not wanting to outsource. I am wanting to have him work with me.  He is an expert in crown and wainscoting and spraying trim etc.  He knows a lot of tricks, and I could learn a lot and as a bonus the work would get done WAY faster than I could do it.

I believe you mentioned owning an older house. That’s reason enough to get someone with experience to help. I refurbished a two family from 1890 as my first home. Not a single surface was plumb or flat. Installing the new cabinetry, windows, and trim was a nightmare given my experience level at the time. Having zero tricks in my bag, I struggled to make it all work. Working alongside a pro for a few days would have saved me weeks and resulted in much better end product.

Enjoy the training and some time off from work. Likely well deserved.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2019, 06:14 AM »
That is my shop.  I was told that video was re-posted here.  I am a member of this group, but posting under a different account I just created as my username is my real name.  In this case, I do not want my name associated with that video and the associated negative comments about me.  I just had Richard, the guy who has that Youtube channel post a comment on my behalf that is pinned and you can read it.

You may know that some think of you as "rich guys" with "more money than brains" etc. for being "Festfools" for buying this "overpriced" equipment instead of Porter Cable and DeWalt.

For those of you that have provided me with information here, many thanks.  I always value help and advice, something I was able to get a lot of in the Felder Owners Group in particular over the years.  Richard of DFW Crown impressed me as a very talented trim guy and I figured I could learn from him.  So many different skill sets involving the use of wood - and the skills for trim are different than for cabinetmaking and furniture making and chair making and guitar building etc.

I am glad someone picked up on my dovetail jig setup.  I really like using that with a router table.  Very easy and very accurate.  But of course, that is not the same level of craftsmanship as the dovetails on Andy Rae's tool cabinet.
Martin,  I'm the one who started this thread.  Don't let the negative comments get you down.  They're coming from the green eyed monster of envy and nothing more.  Personally, I am in awe of your shop and that's why I posted it here, in the spirit of sharing, I knew there would be others who would love it too.
Know that you have a shop that most here would love to have in their next lifetime.  The stuff of dreams, kid.

Getting back to my original statement that no matter how good you have it, someone has it better,  have you personally ever seen a shop better than yours?  I'm guessing yes.

I hope you post more here.  I never knew Felder sliders were automated to the degree that they are.  Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed watching.


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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2019, 08:13 AM »
That is one sweet shop!!!  I'm in awe...   [eek]
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2019, 09:39 AM »
I am not wanting to outsource. I am wanting to have him work with me.  He is an expert in crown and wainscoting and spraying trim etc.  He knows a lot of tricks, and I could learn a lot and as a bonus the work would get done WAY faster than I could do it.

Well hopefully all of this hasn't turned you off to the idea of him shooting some videos of the work. I think there's a lot of us that can build a nice cabinet but the trim carpentry work is where all the skill comes to light.

Even if I had the money and space for a shop like yours I wouldn't have a clue what to do with it. I'm still starting out and learning as I go. Maybe some day I'll have some of the cool stuff that you do as I have many years ahead of me.
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2019, 10:54 AM »
I enjoyed seeing the demos of all the machinery.  Thanks for letting him share your shop with us!  And it's nice that he's willing to work with you on the trim...hard to find a contractor that would go for that (for understandable reasons), but it looks like this arrangement works well for both of you!   [thumbs up]
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2019, 11:11 AM »
I am not wanting to outsource. I am wanting to have him work with me.  He is an expert in crown and wainscoting and spraying trim etc.  He knows a lot of tricks, and I could learn a lot and as a bonus the work would get done WAY faster than I could do it.

Martin dont sweat the whiners. They are bugged cuz they either cant afford the tools or dont understand the quality tools.

On another forum, I got jumped on out of the blue because of my festools, some guy just started complsaining accusing me of bragging about the tools and on and on.
It was a political thread in a forum that has a couple of folders on construction. They all knew I had a lot of festools, and I hardly posted there.

People are weird . BTW I never posted to the guy either.

So just go on doing what you do. People are people ya know

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2019, 11:55 AM »
“Martin”, hiring an expert to help you do something shows you know how to maximize the value of money, which probably has something to do with how you managed to assemble such a fine shop.

And you probably don’t have any difficulty assigning the appropriate value to unsolicited opinions.

Thanks for letting us see your shop. And thanks for helping to keep the world economy rolling.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2019, 04:27 PM »
First of  [welcome] back to the FOG froum and RESPECT

Thank you for having Richard doing a shop tour. I also appreciate the fact that you took the time to explain how most of your tools works.

I am a big fan of your dovetail jig... thank you for the pictures  [thumbs up]
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2019, 11:35 PM »
Thank you for the shop tour and the explanation on how these tools work for you. Could you give me more details about your vacuum  table it is on my shop upgrade list for a project.

Thank you again

Bruce

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2019, 12:53 AM »
The Barth table is my favorite "tool".  The best part of it is the ability of it to hydraulically raise and lower with a very nice range.  You can work on cabinets or do assembly with it low, and do certain things with hand tools or sanders with it above the normal height.  A bonus is the vacuum hold down clamps.  I never use it as a rolling cart.  I see there is a video on it



I wish the holes were the same size as the smaller Festool holes.  There are a limited number of (expensive) clamp options from Barth, and you have to use a lathe to make dowels if you want home made accessories (so far, I have not found metric or other dowels that fit just right for jig making.

I rarely use my traditional workbench except as a counter top to set things on, often as clutter.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2019, 06:33 AM »
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I wish the holes were the same size as the smaller Festool holes.  There are a limited number of (expensive) clamp options from Barth, and you have to use a lathe to make dowels if you want home made accessories (so far, I have not found metric or other dowels that fit just right for jig making.

I rarely use my traditional workbench except as a counter top to set things on, often as clutter.

Any reason not to make a new top for it with 20mm holes on 96mm centers?

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2019, 09:38 AM »
Human nature is interesting... It's oddly natural to search out the kink in the armor of someone who has more. With tools, that kink is often something along the lines of:

"Oh... I could do that just as well if I had the kind of tools he does."

Or,

"That guy has it easy because he has so much money."

Of course, the irony here is that these sentiments are being expressed on a Festool forum.

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In any regard, I do my best to repress that natural sense of jealousy and in its place find appreciation and replace that search for kinks with a quest for knowledge.

"Oh man, look at that table saw I could never afford. It amazes me humans have come from cavemen with sticks and stones to walking creatures of innovation capable of making such things."

And,

"That guy has been more successful at creating revenue than I have been. He must work his ass off. What can I learn from what he has done?"

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Point being, everyone comes from somewhere... And everyone has their own problems.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2019, 09:58 AM »
Snip.

Point being, everyone comes from somewhere... And everyone has their own problems.

And my problem is that I don't have space for any more tools (my shop is my double garage which also houses two SUVs at night!). But that could be a blessing in disguise meaning I must resist every bit of temptation to buy new or more Festool tools. Must have saved me tons of money.  [tongue]
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2019, 10:00 AM »
Very nice workshop, I appreciate nice things myself. If somebody can afford, and buys nice things, good luck to them.  [wink]

 

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2019, 10:10 AM »
The Barth table is my favorite "tool".  The best part of it is the ability of it to hydraulically raise and lower with a very nice range.  You can work on cabinets or do assembly with it low, and do certain things with hand tools or sanders with it above the normal height.  A bonus is the vacuum hold down clamps.  I never use it as a rolling cart.  I see there is a video on it



I wish the holes were the same size as the smaller Festool holes.  There are a limited number of (expensive) clamp options from Barth, and you have to use a lathe to make dowels if you want home made accessories (so far, I have not found metric or other dowels that fit just right for jig making.

I rarely use my traditional workbench except as a counter top to set things on, often as clutter.

That's what I want out of my vac sys setup. I made a thread on the cart I built for it and it's very functional but I'd love to have the ability to raise and lower like yours. I was aware of the Barth setup before I built it but couldn't figure out a sensible way to make my own with what I had.
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2019, 10:44 AM »
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I wish the holes were the same size as the smaller Festool holes.  There are a limited number of (expensive) clamp options from Barth, and you have to use a lathe to make dowels if you want home made accessories (so far, I have not found metric or other dowels that fit just right for jig making.

I rarely use my traditional workbench except as a counter top to set things on, often as clutter.

Any reason not to make a new top for it with 20mm holes on 96mm centers?

Possibly cost if you want to exactly replicate what is already there. You would need a sheet of 30mm Appleply, then veneer a HPL later, create a CAD file for the holes and vacuum pods, and have it cut on a CNC. Easily a $500 job, but cheaper than the original at $1200.

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« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2019, 11:21 AM »
Any reason not to make a new top for it with 20mm holes on 96mm centers?

I think the center-to-center distance not being 96 mm is less of an issue than the diameter of the holes themselves.

I'd keep the top as it is, it certainly seems more robust than the typical 18 mm thick top. Depending upon the ID of the existing holes, I'd machine a bevy of aluminum adapter rings. The OD being the ID of the existing holes and the ID being 20 mm.

To retain the adapter rings without resorting to a flange, I'd machine a small o'ring groove around the periphery and through experimenting with the depth of the groove and the section thickness of the o'ring you'd arrive at a combination that would allow good adapter ring retention along with easy placement & removal.

Probably a dozen or so would get you by.  [smile]

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« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2019, 11:27 AM »
I could easily fit every single one of those tools in my 10x4' shed. You just see if I can't! I'll send you the shipping details in just a moment [big grin]

Anyroad, that's a lovely looking shop you have there and I hope you and Richard can work something out. He seems like a fine fellow who will never stop learning.

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« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2019, 12:09 PM »
I could easily fit every single one of those tools in my 10x4' shed. You just see if I can't! I'll send you the shipping details in just a moment [big grin]

Anyroad, that's a lovely looking shop you have there and I hope you and Richard can work something out. He seems like a fine fellow who will never stop learning.


What I find refreshing is that Martin feels he can learn from Richard. I suspect that humility and objective reasoning is partly responsible for his achieving what he has in life already.
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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2019, 01:48 PM »
Martin,  Thank you so much for allowing this video to be made.  We rarely get a glimpse inside very beautifully curated shops and it is a wonderful treat.  For every negative comment, there are thousands more that look on in admiration. 

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« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2019, 07:06 PM »
On the holes, similar to what was mentioned, I thought about trying to find something like this:

https://www.wlfuller.com/html/drill_stops.html

... a sleeve adaptor so that Festool jigs would work with the Barth table perforations.

However, I think when I am ready to make more attachments for my table, I will probably make my own using my lathe, baltic birch, and Destaco clamps.  Next would be to find a very fast easy way to secure pieces for when using the domino or biscuit joiner.

If Richard comes to do the work, I will be OK with him making videos.  On one hand, I am not in favor of the loss of privacy, but on the other hand, I am a big believer in sharing info that would help others since I have benefited from others (perhaps some of you who contribute and are reading this).  I did not have him come to see my shop or give a bid.  He told me what would work for him, I said ok, but he said he would like to see the job first, in part so I could prepare.  Ball is in his court.  After all this, I hope it will happen!

I did post pictures of a recent project in another section of his forum.

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« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2019, 08:29 PM »
I think one of the cool things in this thread is that with all of the wonderful high value equipment to be seen most of the complements here are over Martin’s creative dovetail jigs, tools that virtually anyone could acquire.
Greg Mann
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Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2019, 03:39 AM »
I also want to chime in to encourage you to keep sharing. Your shop is really a blessing, to you and to all who watch.

I always draw tremendous inspiration and motivation from seeing other peoples shops, regardless of equipment level. Mainly because there is always so much „process“ hidden in how the machines are laid out etc.

I particularly liked how you combine the shaper and the router into a „single tool“ with two different collets. Makes a lot of sense!
What your shop shows, in my opinion, is not the amount of money you spent, but rather the amount of thinking you put into shop layout, precision and safety!
And we can all learn from that!

I would like to see some of the work you do, not finished product, but actual work. I am quite sure there will be a lot of good things to learn on how to do stuff (see the interest in your dovetail jig application).

Thanks for being you and doing what you do. ;)

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2019, 05:51 AM »
im surprised nobody mentioned the pinball machines!


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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2019, 09:07 AM »
And guitars/amps playing area...ha! ....and I think acoustic sound panels on the ceiling
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2019, 10:00 AM »
A Youtube friend suggested this thread since my channel is Extreme Woodworker and I seldom participate in forums.  Congratulations to Martin for such a fine shop.  Up until this video, I did not know Martin machinery even made a combo jointer/planer.

To correct some earlier statements about me, I have spent the last 40+ years as a licensed professional engineer in the nuclear power generation industry and former US Navy submarine officer.  Other than work on a framing crew in my younger years, I have never made a living doing woodworking.  I am not 'trying to make it as a Youtuber' and have not created any new content for almost 2 years.  Work schedule combined with a lot of vitriol directed at me personally in my channels comment sections were major factors in my decision to suspend production.  I may resume now that the work schedule is no longer an issue but still need to ponder this. 

On the subject of shop tours, I did a shop tour because it was requested by so many viewers.  It is a difficult decision to invite the entire world into your shop since a number of viewers will look at it as 'showing off' regardless of reality.  I recall a tour done by Popular Woodworking a number of years ago about a Martin and Kundig filled shop near St. Louis as I recall.  I think his name was Kent and I remember seeing the s***storm of negative comments before it was finally turned off.  Nobody deserves that type of treatment.  I should have known better and making a shop tour video is a mistake I will never repeat.  Honestly, if you have a shop with higher end equipment and tools, you are better off keeping it to yourself regardless of the fact that the majority of viewers will likely enjoy it.  It is a simple thing to encourage one to ignore the haters but be silent in the comment section.  Kudos to those who are willing to endure.  It is simply not worth it to me.  Perhaps my expectation that woodworkers who share a common passion and interest would actually be civil and not act like a bunch of name calling politicians is unreasonable in this day and age.  Only time will tell.

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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2019, 11:34 AM »
Yesterday I came across a news item about an 8 year-old kid making $26 million (or so) via his youtube production (don't know what his youtube videos are about). Not a subscriber of anything online, I suppose if negative comments, in addition to views, also counted towards revenue, he might have welcomed them.

I do admire people of all trades who are willing to invest their money (video equipment for example) and time in producing free videos, but Youtube has commercialized the whole sharing environment that some viewers feel cynical about the motives of their productions. These days, as a free member I can hardly find a youtube video that does not come with an ad segment at the beginning or in the middle of viewing (sometimes more than one ad). 
« Last Edit: December 20, 2019, 11:37 AM by ChuckM »

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2019, 11:41 AM »
I've debated starting a YouTube channel the last two years, but held off because of the expected negativity against someone who owns nice tools. I'm a very private person and do not want to be perceived as a show off under any circumstances. It's just not who I am. But I've also learned a ton from those who have stuck their necks out (thanks Steve) and feel a bit guilty for not giving back to the community as much as I could. Observing the public reaction to Martins shop has been a real eye opener, and Steve's comment on the shop tour has been equally enlightening.

I might still start a channel, but keep it solely project based, likely with little to no narration. Ishitani comes to mind as an inspiration. There are thousands of channels producing content with tools approachable to most hobbyists. The market is saturated and well served. High end shops showing techniques common to industry but less common to hobbyists might have value. One could still be educated, inspired, and/or entertained.

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« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2019, 03:06 PM »
When I saw Richard's channel, I thought: this is a guy I would like to work with.  I have no experience with crown and wainscoting and the walls are not plumb-square.  I could do the work with or without most of my tools, but learning new skills takes a lot of time and trial and error, and an expert in this trade would do a better job than me in 1/10 the time.  My experience with contractors has been hit and some pretty expensive and disappointing misses. Getting to see his work was assurance that the work would be good. I figured I could be his helper and learn a lot, including spraying and how to clean the sprayer, and at the end of a couple of weeks, I would have a lot done on a project that is way way overdue for completion! 

Initially, Richard was not available, but then indicated that if I could wait until mid January, he thought he could make that work.  He said that to be in California for 2 weeks, I would pay his normal rate, and also the cost of plane tickets for him, his wife, and 4 children because he did not want to be away from his family.  He works with a guy named John and said John was all in if I paid for his ticket and his wife's.  I agreed.  I offered to have him stay with me (or cover costs).  Fair that it not be a loss for him due to expenses and I approached him not the other way around.  Yes, expensive for me, but tickets are not that costly (as low as $143), and I considered it both a chance to get a major lingering project done well, and that the extra cost would be tuition for the education I would receive.  I planned rare time off work to be around.  I did not agree because I am "so rich" those extra costs would be no big deal.  I agreed because of the above reasons.

He wanted to come visit first to help plan the project, his idea, and so I paid for his ticket.  When he was over as my guest, he asked me to demonstrate things in my shop for his viewers.  Not my idea, but I figured I picked a guy who does educational videos, and so I did not want to say no.  I figured it was part of the price of having him come do the work with me.

Today, he emailed me and said he will not be coming and he was not as ready to come be away from home as he thought!  I had him over and allowed the video based on the belief that he would be helping me.  I politely asked him to take down the video unless he changes his mind about doing the work, and hope he will comply.  Very disappointed.

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« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2019, 03:36 PM »
That's a shame. I think he is passing up a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to learn and teach at the same time. If I had his skill set, I would be clamoring to be his replacement.

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« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2019, 03:58 PM »
Its sometimes a difficult decision to leave your homebase of operation. Steady work, known suppliers and connections help things move smoothly. 2 weeks of proposed work can often turn into many more quite easily. Always remember too, happy wife happy life.

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« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2019, 04:53 PM »
Well... happy wife is what he said was a motivator as she wanted to spend some time visiting California.  As for 2 weeks turning into more, not a risk.  I was not asking him to complete a particular job.  It was for him go do as much in the 2 weeks as worked out where he would be paid for his time.

Steve, many thanks for your video on the Fritz Franz jig!  I benefitted from that!

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2019, 06:43 PM »
Although I am on-off when it comes to going to forums, I have been getting messages with questions.  I will be checking often over the next week, and if you message me with a question about my shop, I will be happy to reply.  If you are a really good trim guy, maybe I have a job for you!

I was very fortunate to be given great advice over the years by a wonderful group a the Felder FOG, and I am always happy to return the favor here.  Happy even more so to do it on the Felder FOG but those guys are so knowledgeable, I rarely have the opportunity to teach them something.  It happens, but not often.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2019, 07:24 PM »
Although I am on-off when it comes to going to forums, I have been getting messages with questions.  I will be checking often over the next week, and if you message me with a question about my shop, I will be happy to reply.  If you are a really good trim guy, maybe I have a job for you!

I was very fortunate to be given great advice over the years by a wonderful group a the Felder FOG, and I am always happy to return the favor here.  Happy even more so to do it on the Felder FOG but those guys are so knowledgeable, I rarely have the opportunity to teach them something.  It happens, but not often.

Marty,  I'd be honored to come install your trim!  I've only done crown a few times but I'm really getting the hang of it.  Though not airtight, I think you'll agree my outside miters are pretty close to sublime.  Never had 1 lesson.



Offline ChuckS

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #67 on: December 20, 2019, 07:29 PM »
Jim,

It wasn't bad at all...except that you just forgot to put a custom cap that was supposed to be there! [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]
« Last Edit: December 20, 2019, 07:35 PM by ChuckM »

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« Reply #68 on: December 20, 2019, 07:36 PM »
Marty,  I'd be honored to come install your trim!  I've only done crown a few times but I'm really getting the hang of it.  Though not airtight, I think you'll agree my outside miters are pretty close to sublime.  Never had 1 lesson.

Wow Jim...you've taken sublime to another level.  [tongue]

Just curious, what's the largest part of your budget, the trim or the caulk?

Offline Cypren

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« Reply #69 on: December 20, 2019, 07:37 PM »
@martin felder - I'm curious, how do you like the combo jointer/planer unit? I've been eyeing the 16" Hammer version (which as I understand it is the less-rugged hobbyist version of the Felder machines, but has a lot of similarities) to replace my standalone machines, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Any regrets about going with one machine instead of two, or would you go this way again in the future?

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #70 on: December 20, 2019, 10:06 PM »
Although I am on-off when it comes to going to forums, I have been getting messages with questions.  I will be checking often over the next week, and if you message me with a question about my shop, I will be happy to reply.  If you are a really good trim guy, maybe I have a job for you!

I was very fortunate to be given great advice over the years by a wonderful group a the Felder FOG, and I am always happy to return the favor here.  Happy even more so to do it on the Felder FOG but those guys are so knowledgeable, I rarely have the opportunity to teach them something.  It happens, but not often.

Marty,  I'd be honored to come install your trim!  I've only done crown a few times but I'm really getting the hang of it.  Though not airtight, I think you'll agree my outside miters are pretty close to sublime.  Never had 1 lesson.



Is that a Lagavulin miter?

Offline Kevin C.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2019, 10:39 PM »
That whole shop is beautiful, but that vertical panel clamping rack! That is darn cool.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #72 on: December 20, 2019, 11:31 PM »
That whole shop is beautiful, but that vertical panel clamping rack! That is darn cool.

I agree with you. Almost every section of Martin shop is amazing. I got trapped by the dovetail jig because that's the only thing that would fit in my shop  [tongue]

Did I said that dovetail jig is beautiful yet?
Mario


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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2019, 07:39 AM »
Mario.....

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/keller-jig-upgrade-for-easy-accurate-dovetails/
I'm sorry to see the video taken down.  I enjoyed watching it, I've watched it a few times even.  It would be great if it was reposted with comments disabled.

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #75 on: December 26, 2019, 08:09 PM »
A Youtube friend suggested this thread since my channel is Extreme Woodworker and I seldom participate in forums.  Congratulations to Martin for such a fine shop.  Up until this video, I did not know Martin machinery even made a combo jointer/planer.

To correct some earlier statements about me, I have spent the last 40+ years as a licensed professional engineer in the nuclear power generation industry and former US Navy submarine officer.  Other than work on a framing crew in my younger years, I have never made a living doing woodworking.  I am not 'trying to make it as a Youtuber' and have not created any new content for almost 2 years.  Work schedule combined with a lot of vitriol directed at me personally in my channels comment sections were major factors in my decision to suspend production.  I may resume now that the work schedule is no longer an issue but still need to ponder this. 

On the subject of shop tours, I did a shop tour because it was requested by so many viewers.  It is a difficult decision to invite the entire world into your shop since a number of viewers will look at it as 'showing off' regardless of reality.  I recall a tour done by Popular Woodworking a number of years ago about a Martin and Kundig filled shop near St. Louis as I recall.  I think his name was Kent and I remember seeing the s***storm of negative comments before it was finally turned off.  Nobody deserves that type of treatment.  I should have known better and making a shop tour video is a mistake I will never repeat.  Honestly, if you have a shop with higher end equipment and tools, you are better off keeping it to yourself regardless of the fact that the majority of viewers will likely enjoy it.  It is a simple thing to encourage one to ignore the haters but be silent in the comment section.  Kudos to those who are willing to endure.  It is simply not worth it to me.  Perhaps my expectation that woodworkers who share a common passion and interest would actually be civil and not act like a bunch of name calling politicians is unreasonable in this day and age.  Only time will tell.

Sincere thanks for doing your videos Steve! My first taste of the sliding table saw was from watching Tim Wilmots videos on Youtube (so efficient! love those vids). Subsequent sliding table searches bring up very few options to learn more from, until I found yours. Extremely helpful and very inspirational/aspirational. Oh, and I LOVE shop tours, sorry to not be able to see yours - feel free to send a link to this fan ;o) ha ha.

Offline mdorsam

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #76 on: February 26, 2020, 08:01 AM »
I just came across this thread... looking for an update on Steve Rowe's posts.

First, I'm saddened that Steve, and others, have restricted their content due to negative comments about their motives in posting shop tours. Personally, I owe a debt to individuals like Steve who put themselves in harms way on YouTube. I've watched all of Steve's postings, and those of many, many others, who own higher-end equipment - though perhaps for different reasons than most: I'm interested in safer techniques, higher precision, larger capacities, and engineered-for-life attributes that are at the heart of tools. Steve's postings, and others, gave me the confidence to invest in these tools (it's difficult to get past the marketing hype that scams through most things these days).

In my 400 sq' shop, I've neatly fit a 9' Felder slider and a AD951 (20") Felder jointer/planer - though the quarters are tight, the financial and shop-real estate investment has been excellent. One interesting point, that goes to the heart of this thread, is that no one outside of my close-knit neighborhood knows of my shop... and my neighbors don't care (no one 'ooohs & aaaahs' at the equipment, when they ask me to build something for them). I gladly charge extraordinary prices to 3rd-parties; while at the same time charge family & friends out-of-pocket costs, only. for the same piece. I'm not in this for the money; nor for the bragging rights of having the most expensive shop in the neighborhood.

The simple fact is I'll invest in quality things... whose quality serves a purpose. The Felder (& Festool) equipment I own has allowed my woodworking to be limited by my ability and creativity, rather than my equipment's ability to achieve the desired end.

Lastly, and this is a point to all of those maligned by others, criticism received must be tempered against the motives and perspectives of the giver - someone who has never worked with a Slider or Domino can not grasp the step-change capabilities they provide - so how can their commentary be worthwhile.

Steve - if you are ready this - Thank You.
Mike Dorsam
 

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Re: Ultimate Workshop Tour
« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2020, 11:27 AM »
The catalyst for the comments is the use of best, ultimate, superior, extreme etc. When used in a post, because of the current state of internet garbage, no one knows their true motives and they will always be suspect. You honestly have to look at what the people/person making any You Tube content are looking for. If its truly worthwhile and done properly the person posting and the material presented will endure. The truly negative comments will be laughed at and taken in stride.