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Truck organization issues
« on: August 11, 2013, 02:56 AM »
I work out of a quad cab (4 door w/ full backseat)pick up truck. The pick up bed is consumed with miter saw & stand, t.s.,compressor,hose/cords, and misc. power tools. The bed has tonneau cover for security.not the best set up but it covers most of my general carpentry needs. Also I can slide in up to eight sheets of 3/4" ply over tools with tonneau cover resting shut on top of ply.  So... All my hand tools,screw guns,sys/sortainers, and misc. go where? The backseat (which folds down flat) aka disaster zone. It's not working for me at all, if I turn to fast stuff tumbles. Whatever I need is always on the bottom of pile.....I'm asking the brilliant minds of fog for ideas on rear seat storage solution. I thought about big pull out drawer on each side, but drawer would have to be angled to clear door. Or some type of rack??? I'm not opposed to removing backseat altogether. Also, safety is always a factor, anchoring with bolts,welding,straps?   Here are a few pics of my truck set up ...any ideas would be appreciated. I really want van or sprinter, but my truck is paid for and hoping to get a few more years out of it.

Offline Jon Hilgenberg

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 07:08 AM »
Have you thought about a truck cap and a bedslide instead of a tonneau?  That's the set up I have and I rarely need to put tools in the back seat.  Cost might be a factor, but then the amount of time and money spent trying to custom build racking in the back seat won't be "cheap" either.

Jon

Edit: I save a ton of time each day with the bedslide, and like you I always need the one thing way back in the truck.  Just slide it out and Bam!  There it is.
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Offline duburban

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 09:40 AM »
this is my perceived solution to the same problem:

http://www.gmc.com/savana-cargo-van.html
helper: i used a festool "circular saw" to do something simple and it made it really hard

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Offline Paul G

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 10:57 AM »
Have you thought about a truck cap and a bedslide instead of a tonneau?  That's the set up I have and I rarely need to put tools in the back seat.  Cost might be a factor, but then the amount of time and money spent trying to custom build racking in the back seat won't be "cheap" either.

Jon

Edit: I save a ton of time each day with the bedslide, and like you I always need the one thing way back in the truck.  Just slide it out and Bam!  There it is.

In addition I'd try for a rack over the camper shell to haul lumber and ladders. Some shells are reinforced specifically for this purpose like some of the commercial products from snugtop as well as others.
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Offline bmh

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 11:52 AM »
Cargo vans is the way to go. They are so many different sizes and shape you can pick the one the most adapted to your line of work. Truck look cool but the cargo space sucks.

Offline Bikeboy80

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 12:55 PM »
I would agree that moving to a cargo van is the way to go (I made that transition about 7 years ago), of course you gather items to fit the space you have. I have a standard cargo van and am outgoing it, looking into something larger now...

Have you tried putting the table and miter saws in the back seat and move the systainers into the bed? Does that gain you anything? Maybe you can build a shelf a over the level of the saws in the back seat, just becareful of what could come flying forward if you stop short. [scared]
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Offline Jon Hilgenberg

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 12:59 PM »
I would agree that moving to a cargo van is the way to go (I made that transition about 7 years ago), of course you gather items to fit the space you have. I have a standard cargo van and am outgoing it, looking into something larger now...

Have you tried putting the table and miter saws in the back seat and move the systainers into the bed? Does that gain you anything? Maybe you can build a shelf a over the level of the saws in the back seat, just becareful of what could come flying forward if you stop short. [scared]

I think the last thing he wants to do is add a $300.00+ monthly van payment.  He owns his truck outright (I'm soooooo close!), so he's looking for options to modify his existing setup.

Jon
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Offline mastercabman

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 02:32 PM »
Sell the truck and get a van.
I switched over a year ago and will never go back to a truck.
I still think that it is hard to get in and out of a van.
I wish I had enough money to get the Sprinter or that new Nissan
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline Bikeboy80

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 03:09 PM »
I would agree that moving to a cargo van is the way to go (I made that transition about 7 years ago), of course you gather items to fit the space you have. I have a standard cargo van and am outgoing it, looking into something larger now...

Have you tried putting the table and miter saws in the back seat and move the systainers into the bed? Does that gain you anything? Maybe you can build a shelf a over the level of the saws in the back seat, just becareful of what could come flying forward if you stop short. [scared]

I think the last thing he wants to do is add a $300.00+ monthly van payment.  He owns his truck outright (I'm soooooo close!), so he's looking for options to modify his existing setup.

Jon

I got that, that's why I also offered some other sugestions.
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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 03:50 PM »
I agree a van is ultimate solution, but trying to avoid large expense for now...I have given a shell with rack and installing pullout drawers inside bed. However , if drawers on bottom with shelf on top for larger tools,  plywood would have to be stacked on roof rack?  Sorry, if I'm sounding picky. I really appreciate the input, and curious about what others are doing. I know there is no perfect solution. Also I forgot to mention I need some type of collapsible  work /cutting table. I've been using simple saw horses and 2x4 thing.

Offline Paul G

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 03:57 PM »
Is a trailer an option for you?
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Offline Paul G

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 04:22 PM »
I agree a van is ultimate solution, but trying to avoid large expense for now...I have given a shell with rack and installing pullout drawers inside bed. However , if drawers on bottom with shelf on top for larger tools,  plywood would have to be stacked on roof rack?  Sorry, if I'm sounding picky. I really appreciate the input, and curious about what others are doing. I know there is no perfect solution. Also I forgot to mention I need some type of collapsible  work /cutting table. I've been using simple saw horses and 2x4 thing.

Sure, plywood on the roof rack if theres no space inside, good to have options. One nice thing about a roof rack is you can get them compatible with forklifts so the folks at the yard can put your load up there for you. Rackit makes a slew of options and will probably build something to suit your needs. I've had one for several years and it's working great, I'd suggest going with the powder coat option though to keep the rust at bay. http://www.rackitinc.com
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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2013, 04:35 PM »
Is a trailer an option for you?
i had a nice trailer set up....had is key word...someone liked it more than I did and stole it.  I don't have a safe place to store it.   Leaning towards full shell with rack idea....side windows for access or no windows for security.?

Offline Jon Hilgenberg

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2013, 04:55 PM »
Is a trailer an option for you?
i had a nice trailer set up....had is key word...someone liked it more than I did and stole it.  I don't have a safe place to store it.   Leaning towards full shell with rack idea....side windows for access or no windows for security.?

Not knowing your local situation and security issues, I would opt for no windows.  That way (locked) side access is possible.  I went for the windows because I have dogs and they used to ride in the back. well, had.  now im down to one old one that rides in the front.  That and I like the look.

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Offline Paul G

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2013, 05:05 PM »
Is a trailer an option for you?
i had a nice trailer set up....had is key word...someone liked it more than I did and stole it.  I don't have a safe place to store it.   Leaning towards full shell with rack idea....side windows for access or no windows for security.?

Sorry about the theft, that sucks. Security is certainly a top priority. The locks on the shell is a bigger issue than if you have side doors, the rear is just as easy to break into as the sides if the locks aren't good. Besides good locks is limiting visibility, do you want any windows or all solid? Is your truck a 1-ton? All of this will add weight especially if you get a metal shell and those roll outs are not light.
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Offline mastercabman

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2013, 05:31 PM »
Whatever you decide to do,if you go with a cap,try to see if you can get a commercial one.
Side doors(lift up),2 doors on the back witch make your life much easier than a regular truck cap
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline JD2720

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 05:47 PM »
The last few work trucks I have had, have been extended cab long bed pickups with  commercial bed tops. As you, I always ended up with the back seat of the cab full of tools & I would still have to crawl up into the bed several times every day to get to tools stored there. I do a wide range of different types of work, so I have to carry a wide range of tools & hardware.

Because I am getting older, it is getting harder for me to crawl into the bed & was difficult to find things in the cab.
 I have debated several other options over the last couple of years. My first first choice was a cut away van with a contractor body.
The down side to that was that the area I live & work in requires a 4 wheel drive or spend a lot of time & money being towed. So that put the van out. Another option was putting a utility be on a pickup, but because of the way they are built, I would not gain much storage space.

Below is what I ended up with this spring. So far it has worked out very well. I still have tools stored up in front of the bed, but they are tools that are not used daily. All of the tools I use daily,
I can reach while standing on the ground. The only tools in the cab are my radios & Festool MINI vac.
 














Offline Paul G

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 08:12 PM »
JD2720, that's a nice set up you've got there, is there a brand for that camper top and drawers?

Next time on the van option, sportsmobile may have a solution for you regarding 4WD: http://www.sportsmobile.com/
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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 08:45 PM »
@ jd2720.      Wow!!! That's a sweet set up....really like the guide rail holder attached to back of side box, not to mention everything else...wasn't all that crazy about the whole bed cap idea,but this is a game changer for sure.. Brilliant set up...how much do you think it would cost to achieve similar set up (not including truck & tools)? Is that a long bed?looks like you customized interiors of side boxes and pull outs, is there anything you would change?  Brand name of bed cap would be great also.....thank you for posting,  david

Offline JD2720

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 09:45 PM »
Thank you David & Paul.

The truck has an 8 foot bed.

The cap is a 29" tall ARE commercial UDC Series aluminum cap. ARE Cap

They have several choices to customize it. The side boxes & ladder racks are some of the options.

The cap with the metal side boxes, front & back windows, 1 door each side & ladder rack was about $1900 including tax & installation.

I believe I have about $350 in birch plywood for all of the shelving & the drawer unit.

I carry 6 raills in the rail holder. 2 - 98"(my custom length), 1 - 75", 1 - 55", 1 - 42" &  1 - 32"

At this time, the only thing I would have changed was the timing. I should have done it a lot sooner.


 

Offline Jeff Zanin

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2013, 05:52 AM »
@JD2720: That looks really good, I especially like the drawers - I have an 8 foot truck bed and something like that would be very handy. 

Did you buy or build the drawers, and if you built them, what did you use for slides?

Jeff

Offline JD2720

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2013, 07:14 AM »
I built the drawer unit. There are no slides.
I made them the old fashion way, the drawers just slide inside the case.

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2013, 07:56 AM »
JD2720, given your need for a 4x4 and the stated desire for a van, you might want to check out the Quigley conversions that retain a full factory warranty with 4x4 added on using all stock parts.  I've seen several of the Fords and really like them. 

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Offline Jalvis

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2013, 10:18 AM »
JD2720 has a great little setup if all you do is installs.

Personally I have a trailer which is the best solution for the price.  You simply get the most storage for the least amount of money. 

I use to have an AIR cap for my truck and found it to be a pain since I refused to crawl in the back......the sliding bed mounts would be a solution but obviously went for a trailer.  Although my goal is to also get a van.....sprinter or perhaps the new transit coming out.

If I were in your situation I would get an entirely new bed.  If cash was low I would get a used flatbed to start.  Standard pickup beds are not efficient or practical for storage.  By simply switching to a flatbed you have more storage options without the issue of reaching over a bed.  You can also add tool boxes below the bed in front and behind the wheels on both side which is perfect for heavier items you so dont want to lift up.  Flatbeds are customizable and utilize space efficiently. 

Remind yourself that your truck is a tool for your business.....its about function.  Get over that hurdle and you will see more options.
 


Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2013, 12:25 AM »
JD2720, given your need for a 4x4 and the stated desire for a van, you might want to check out the Quigley conversions that retain a full factory warranty with 4x4 added on using all stock parts.  I've seen several of the Fords and really like them. 


quigleys are awesome, but the price tag of $65k isn't ? It's always been one of my "dream" vehicles. Nothing cooler than a tricked out quigleys .

Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2013, 12:43 AM »
JD2720 has a great little setup if all you do is installs.

Personally I have a trailer which is the best solution for the price.  You simply get the most storage for the least amount of money. 

I use to have an AIR cap for my truck and found it to be a pain since I refused to crawl in the back......the sliding bed mounts would be a solution but obviously went for a trailer.  Although my goal is to also get a van.....sprinter or perhaps the new transit coming out.

If I were in your situation I would get an entirely new bed.  If cash was low I would get a used flatbed to start.  Standard pickup beds are not efficient or practical for storage.  By simply switching to a flatbed you have more storage options without the issue of reaching over a bed.  You can also add tool boxes below the bed in front and behind the wheels on both side which is perfect for heavier items you so dont want to lift up.  Flatbeds are customizable and utilize space efficiently. 

Remind yourself that your truck is a tool for your business.....its about function.  Get over that hurdle and you will see more options.
 


your right about a trailer. Best bang for the buck,I just don't have safe place to store it when not in use. In calif. stuff just walks away if you turn your back. To date Ive had stolen one really nice truck & a trailer with most my lively hood in it(separate occasions).so to say the least, I'm totally paranoid about theft.  Next house I buy will definitely have r.v. parking on side yard for trailer.  Not so sure about your advice on getting flat bed?  I haven't seen any flat bed set ups that would jive.

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2013, 07:52 PM »
JD2720, given your need for a 4x4 and the stated desire for a van, you might want to check out the Quigley conversions that retain a full factory warranty with 4x4 added on using all stock parts.  I've seen several of the Fords and really like them. 


quigleys are awesome, but the price tag of $65k isn't ? It's always been one of my "dream" vehicles. Nothing cooler than a tricked out quigleys .

One of my first bosses had  really old quigley van, thing burned a quart of oil a day.  the back doors were untouchable  because they were so caked with oil. but the thing could right up to teh house on  every muddy job site we had.
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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2013, 01:46 AM »
Thank you David & Paul.

The truck has an 8 foot bed.

The cap is a 29" tall ARE commercial UDC Series aluminum cap. ARE Cap

They have several choices to customize it. The side boxes & ladder racks are some of the options.

The cap with the metal side boxes, front & back windows, 1 door each side & ladder rack was about $1900 including tax & installation.

I believe I have about $350 in birch plywood for all of the shelving & the drawer unit.

I carry 6 raills in the rail holder. 2 - 98"(my custom length), 1 - 75", 1 - 55", 1 - 42" &  1 - 32"

At this time, the only thing I would have changed was the timing. I should have done it a lot sooner.


 
i find myself going back to the pics of your rig. I'm fascinated with how clean & organized it is. I have zoomed in on every square inch ( hope that's not weird )..question....I recognize the systainers & bosch l/boxes but what are the gray and black metal boxes? Also looked at ARE bed caps, and like them a lot. Affordable and functional.

Offline Jalvis

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Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2013, 09:41 AM »
If you haven't seen any good flat bed setups then take some time on the web and google image.  One can easily achieve 30%+ more capacity and have better access than a standard bed.

Re: Truck organization issues
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2013, 11:20 PM »
Thanks Jarvis , I will look into it....but I think I found my solution today, it was parked in front of big box store..it's perfect!!