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Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on June 16, 2014, 09:39 PM


This will be an ongoing post as I work on projects towards making the Untidy Shop the 'organised' Untidy Shop. You are welcome to post your thoughts as I post my different projects over the next months if not years. With an owner build and a renovation of another house, progress may be slower than others.

Project 1.
Moving recycled wood supplies from under house to shop and racking. (No photos)

Project 2.
Turning some recycled 70x19mm Merbau from old deck into counter top which will be part of out feed for compound saw bench/cabinets.

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For this, I removed and drilled out deck nails and holes, planed and thicknessed each piece to 10mm, jointed 4 and then with 4mm dominoes jointed each set of 4 to create bench top of 180x420x45mm. Thicker wood was jointed on each long edge.

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Finished top put through thicknesser. T55 and Rail used to square off edges. Then sanded from 120 to 400 grit using RO150, Makita 1/2 sheet and ETS150/3. Then used OrganOil but Festool Oil method of two coats using RO150 and green/white vilese.

Thinking may also wax and buff?



Next.
Project 3 Renovating/modifying an old steel cabinet for storage of non-Festools.



Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: wow on June 16, 2014, 09:52 PM
That looks like a really sturdy and well-built bench top! I'd be happy to have that in my shop.

Nice job!
Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Kev on June 17, 2014, 12:26 AM
180 x 420 [eek]

That's not a bench - it's still a deck! [wink]
Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on June 17, 2014, 12:37 AM

 [eek]
Mmmmmmm Kev, let us try again, 1800mmX420mmX45mm.  [smile]

That's better!
Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Locky on June 17, 2014, 03:33 AM
nice, cant wait to see it finished
Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on September 17, 2014, 03:27 AM

Project 3
Converting and restoring an old steel cabinet to create extra storage.

Festools
QF1400, CXS, RO150, ETS125 with interface pad, TS55, Parallel Guides and Domino 500.

Shelving
1. Sanded back with RO150 and Granat - 80 to 180 grit, then painted with Dulux water based metal paint in approx. Festool Green. Three coats by Brush.

2. Non structural 17mm ply cut to size with TS55, Rail and Parallel Guides. Then edge banded with Mountain Ash scrap using 4x20mm dominos and Titebond 111 glue. Banded edge rounded with router and then then whole shelf sanded to 320 grit with RO150 and ETS125 with interface pad. Finished with three coasts of Intergrain UltraFloor. Sanding with 320 grit between coats.

3. Ply shelf then screwed to metal shelves from underneath.

Cabinet
1. Doors removed permanently.
2. Cabinet shell sanded inside and out by hand and with RO150 to 180 grit.
3. Three coats of approx. Festool grey applied by brush.

Restored cabinet will house some Festool items, but mainly non Festools.

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Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 02, 2015, 05:26 AM
The process of making
the Untidy Shop a productive space but within a limited budget continues with -

Project 4
Making an assembly bench top.

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Materials
2/ 2400X1200X17mm non structural pine ply [cheap but Australian Made].
1/ 42x19X4800mm Radiata pine.
1/ scrap of 90X45mm Baltic pine ripped and thicknessed to 30x40mm

Sellys  Aquadhere Exterior Glue, Intergrain Pine Filler, OrganOil Hard Burnishing Oil, Festool Green and White Vilies, Festool Felt Pad,  and Birregurra Heritage Wax .

Process
1. Two sheets of 17mm ply glued to make one sheet 34 mm thick.
2. Trimmed and cut to approx. 2200X830mm  with TS55 and rails.
    Waste kept for another project.
3. Edged with Pine using 4x20mm dominos cut 15mm into
    ply at side edges.
4. Banded edge flush trimmed with EL65 and OF1400 router.
5. Holes filled and bench sanded to 320 grit with, in order,
    RO150 (ROTEX), Makita 1/2 sheet and then ETS/3.
6. OrganOil Hard Burnishing Oil applied as per method for
    Festool Surfix Oil with Vilies, but only one coat each side.
7. Bench left for 7 days, waxed top side and then buffed
    using RO150 with Felt Pad.

Completed dimensions, 2270X870mm

Currently painting two old 800mm high wooden horses in Festool Grey and two 90x45X2400mm lengths of Mountain Ash in Festool Green to support bench.

Related threads -
http://festoolownersgroup.com/building-materials/which-glue-to-join-two-17mm-ply-sheets-to-make-one-36mm-thick/msg353951/#msg353951 (http://festoolownersgroup.com/building-materials/which-glue-to-join-two-17mm-ply-sheets-to-make-one-36mm-thick/msg353951/#msg353951)

http://festoolownersgroup.com/finishing/oil-finish-on-plywood/msg359156/#msg359156 (http://festoolownersgroup.com/finishing/oil-finish-on-plywood/msg359156/#msg359156)

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Birregurra Heritage Wax Polish is available in Melbourne through Port Melbourne Paint and Paper, 365 Bay St., Port Melbourne, Vic., Australia. http://www.portpaintandpaper.com.au (http://www.portpaintandpaper.com.au)
For those renovating a period home within inner Melbourne, this place is worth a visit. I have no connection, other than being an occasional customer.

The next challenge -

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Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Scott Burt on January 02, 2015, 06:18 PM
Trying to tidy mine up. 2 weeks into the project.
Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 02, 2015, 10:03 PM



Something to aim for!  [smile]

Thanks Scott.
Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 09, 2016, 01:24 AM
Project 5 - the occasional MFT
As yet none of my bench tops have holes, so early last year I came up with a temporary solution which I often use when doing Domino work. That was the case this afternoon so I took some Photographs.

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It is a 19mm MDF off cut, measuring 1200X300mm. As it is only used to hold work with the Multifunction Clamps and/Or FastFix Quick Clamps, the hole pattern was ruled up as accurately as possible and drilled with 2mm pilot holes then a 19mm drill bitt. I do not use it for Tracksaw work.

As can be seen I attach it to my assembly bench with some Besseys.
Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: unityroad on February 09, 2016, 11:17 AM
Hi, Looks nice Maybe it's just me, If I could find everything quickly in my shop it might get boring for me tho. Customers are banned in my work areas.  If CSI did an investigation they would know what I made, ate, clothing worn, and type of injuries suffered. Be well
Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Billy stray on February 09, 2016, 08:27 PM
Here's my secret to neatness,  one of the perks of living in the woods , once I light a fire I'm amazed at what becomes trash.....
Sorry it's sideways but you get the idea....
Title: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 09, 2016, 11:47 PM
@unityroad  @Billy stray

Guys, thanks for your interest.

Unity, the Untidy Shop is still that - Untidy. Certainly not a movie set. The times I get to be in it; are like you, project based rather than tidying time. Need to spend more time there at night. Unlike yours, there is very little blood for CSI types to find.  [smile]

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Billy - way ahead of you, small scraps go in a box for fire kindling next Winter.
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: unityroad on February 20, 2016, 01:31 PM
Here's my secret to neatness,  one of the perks of living in the woods , once I light a fire I'm amazed at what becomes trash.....
Sorry it's sideways but you get the idea....
Sweet, my favorite type of clean up. Me and the kid try to remember why these pieces were so important. Then we burn them.[attach=1]
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Billy stray on February 20, 2016, 08:58 PM
Exactly how it works for me
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop - Show Me Your Racks
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 07, 2016, 04:53 AM
Project 6 - Show Me Your Racks
Inspired by the replys to the Thread - 'Show Me Your Racks', and in particularly the racks shown by @Scott Burt, I proceeded to make these timber racks. This has been, to say the least, a slow burn project over the past 18 months.
 
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Materials - 8 lengths of 90X45X2400mm MP10  Pine, 3 lengths of 70X45X2700mm MP10 Pine, left over laminated ply [see Project 4, Reply #7], 42X19mm Radiata Pine,  4X20 Beach Dominos, Zennith Galv. M10 180mm and 90mm Coach Bolts, Sellys  Door and Trim Filler, Plastic Window Packers, Dulux 1 Step Sealer and Primer, Dulux Wash and Wear paint tinted as Festool Blue/Black and Festool Green, Bondall Cedar Varnish/Stain and Titebond 3 Glue.

Tools - C15, CXS, Metabo 750W Drill, Makita Compound Saw, T55 TrackSaw, Parralell Guides and Rail, Domino 500, R0150, ETS150/3, EHL65, Empire Level, Straight Edges, 17mm Ratcheting Spanner and Bessey Clamps.

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Construction -
1. Eight MP10 90X45mm Pine lengths, machined and laminated to make 4 posts; each post knot filled, sanded, sealed and painted with Festool Blue/Black.
2. Three MP10 70X45mm Pine lengths, sealed then two painted with Festool
Blue/Black, the third in Festool Green.
3. Laminated ply, edged in 42X19mm Radiata pine using dominos and Titbond and trimmed with EHL65, then sanded, stain/varnished and cut to form support brackets. Pine edging  reinforces  timber stack edge.
4. Support Brakets then bolted to posts, 70X45 lengths bolted to steel workshop frame, then posts bolted to 70X45s.
5. Any detected 'out if true' caused by the workshop's metal framing was corrected with plastic window packers.

Some will note that there is room for more brackets; they will be made as other projects provide left over laminated ply.

References:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/please-show-me-your-racks/msg338055/#msg338055
http://festoolownersgroup.com/finishing/festool-colour/msg427928/#msg427928
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Tinker on May 07, 2016, 06:47 AM
I only jusy came across this thread.
Very interesting. 
@Untidy Shop,  Even at the beginning, your shop was very neat >>> compared to mine.  What happened to that bench top you showed wat back when? 

I keep running into the same problem you mentioned.  When I am in my shop, it is project time.  Today, for instance, as all week has been, a great time to clean up my shop.  however, i have a large yad project with a deadline of next Saturday.  I have worked in the rain every day this past week.  I think it has rained 7 out of the last 5 days.  Every project i start just adds to the lack of space.  [unsure]  Oh well, it does get interesting.

So far you have been doing a good job.  Thanks for posting.
@Scott Burt, Really, Scott, where is the clutter?  I can see the floor and I even see the supervisors overhead.
Tinker
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: alkaline on May 07, 2016, 01:13 PM
Your game, I like . So much so that much .

 [smile]
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: scary on May 07, 2016, 11:53 PM
Dont know if this helps or not. But, I usually clean my shop 1st thing in the morning. Gets the blood going and the mind flowing. Then i can start off the day wiyh a clean slate. Ill also do a couple quick straighten ups during the day,just to keep from getting to distracted.
My major fault is i have to blow my shop out a couple times a day. Cant stand dust and metal under my feet (i work in metal,too)
Now that im reading this back,i might have a problem
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Scott Burt on May 08, 2016, 05:41 AM
@Untidy Shop great stuff, your shop is looking tidier already.

@Tinker we have finally got a handle on both of our shops for the moment. It took us the better part of two weeks, but there is now an echo when you speak in the spray shop.

Other than that, I have been busy working on the tree house and preparing that for an expansion.
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop - Show Me Your Racks
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 08, 2016, 09:14 AM
@Untidy Shop great stuff, your shop is looking tidier already.

@Scott B  If you only new,  [eek] but this addition has made a big difference.  [smile]
Don't know if this helps or not. But, I usually clean my shop 1st thing in the morning. Gets the blood going and the mind flowing. Then i can start off the day wiyh a clean slate. Ill also do a couple quick straighten ups during the day,just to keep from getting to distracted.
My major fault is i have to blow my shop out a couple times a day. Cant stand dust and metal under my feet (i work in metal,too)
Now that im reading this back,i might have a problem

@scary  You scare me!  [big grin]
Your game, I like . So much so that much . [smile]

@alkaline  My efforts are so humble when compared to your own work.  [smile]
Quote from: Tinker link=topic=33277.msg457627#msg457627 n thdate=1462618033
Even at the beginning, your shop was very neat >>> compared to mine.  What happened to that bench top you sohowed wat back when?

@Tinker  Always one of the FOG highlights reading your Posts. If you look at the images of the racks you will see laminated boards on the second and third shelf. These are my other 'slow burners'. One is laminated Otway BlackWood, the other laminated recycled Merbu. More to be completed of both.

The Merbu will be a longer version and companion to the bench top you referred to and will be the infeed bench for a Compound Saw Station. The earlier top will be the out feed.

The Blackwood is an experiement. The laminated lengths are being made from cabinet shorts I purchased from a cabinet maker 4 years ago who was closing shop and going to Western Australia to do mine work. My intension is to combine these with Blackwoid or Hoop Pine Ply to make a set of three folding doors for our house. I figure the longer this takes, the more stable the result.

http://www.australply.com.au
http://www.woodsolutions.com.au/Wood-Species/species-blackwood
http://otwaytonewoods.com.au/products
http://www.dunstonedesign.com.au/timber
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: alkaline on May 09, 2016, 12:58 AM
@alkaline  My efforts are so humble when compared to your own work.  [smile]

Only a great man can be the owner of modesty with which you are working. Your results are all the greater. I wish you all the best!

 [wink]
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop/Tidyness-Creativity
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 25, 2016, 07:08 PM
We often seek order in our lives and working environments. Some achieve this easily, others not. What does this say about us? Here is an article I read this morning [AEST] re tidiness and creativity.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/-gr0qh2.html
Further reading on this research also at -
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/tidy-desk-or-messy-desk-each-has-its-benefits.html

Does this mean I can give up now?  [eek]  [big grin]

Anyway time to get going and mow that grass.
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop/Tidyness-Creativity
Post by: Tinker on August 26, 2016, 04:07 AM
We often seek order in our lives and working environments. Some achieve this easily, others not. What does this say about us? Here is an article I read this morning [AEST] re tidiness and creativity.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/-gr0qh2.html
Further reading on this research also at -
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/tidy-desk-or-messy-desk-each-has-its-benefits.html

Does this mean I can give up now?  [eek]  [big grin]

Anyway time to get going and mow that grass.


@Untidy Shop I read both articles you referred to.  I now will go down to my shop, mess it up a little more so I can figure out a creative way to sort it all out.  As far as my desk is concerned, that is beyond any hope whatsoever.  Another point of confusion, the articles mentioned that messy people are more creative.  Evening people are more apt to be creative.  Now I realize why I am sitting here replying to a discussion that I have no business even getting involved in. I am a morning person and a mess at the same time.  It used to bother me, but, thanks to your recommended reading, I am now even more messed up.   [poke]

Actually, some of the entries to your Untidy discussion I find are soooo tidy in comparison to my shop, I think I will have to go down and mess mine up a little more so I can get something done. [scratch chin]
Tinker
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop/Tidyness-Creativity
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 26, 2016, 08:50 AM
We often seek ------------.
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Actually, some of the entries to your Untidy discussion I find are soooo tidy in comparison to my shop, I think I will have to go down and mess mine up a little more so I can get something done. [scratch chin]
Tinker

@Tinker , as one 'creative' to another, don't forget that a Camera does not lie; but in the Untidy Shop,  it just misses the messy bits!    [blink] [big grin]
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop/Tidyness-Creativity
Post by: Bohdan on August 26, 2016, 09:10 AM

 don't forget that a Camera does not lie; but in the Untidy Shop,  it just misses the messy bits!    [blink] [big grin]

Wow! A new form of selective focus  [jawdrop]
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop/Tidyness-Creativity
Post by: Tinker on August 26, 2016, 11:27 AM
We often seek ------------.
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Actually, some of the entries to your Untidy discussion I find are soooo tidy in comparison to my shop, I think I will have to go down and mess mine up a little more so I can get something done. [scratch chin]
Tinker

@Tinker , as one 'creative' to another, don't forget that a Camera does not lie; but in the Untidy Shop,  it just misses the messy bits!    [blink] [big grin]

That is a good one.
I'll have to remember it.
Tinker
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop - Storage Systainer
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 28, 2017, 11:19 PM
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Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: online421 on May 31, 2017, 08:30 PM
you guys spent so much time organising your storage, I did all that and at the end I just bought myself a demountable storage.

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Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on June 01, 2017, 07:42 PM
Congratulations @online421  on finding a solution that appears to have worked for you. Why a new container rather than a repurposed shipping container? Was there a cost advantage going that way?
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: online421 on June 01, 2017, 08:03 PM
Congratulations @online421  on finding a solution that appears to have worked for you. Why a new container rather than a repurposed shipping container? Was there a cost advantage going that way?

The following reasons are why
1. Height
The height of shipping container is 2.6m, or 9ft 6 in. the demountable storage I have bought is only 2m(6ft 8 in). where I placed the storage is right on the boundary of my property with my neighbour, at 2m high it is acceptable to my neighbour (our fence height is 1.8m), but not 2.6m high

2. Size
Shipping Container comes in standard 40ft/20ft/10ft. 40 is too big for me, 20 is still too big, 10 is too small. mine is 4m long

3. Mobility
I can disassemble my storage and take away with my trailer, but I cant do this with a shipping container.

4. Cost
where I am the 20ft shipping container is not cheap. its about the same price as the demountable storage I've bought.
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 16, 2019, 03:33 AM
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Recently installed a florescent light with pull switch just above main workbench.

 Invaluable over the last few days as I sand a laminated Otway sourced Blackwood* bench top [Underside shown - see future post].

Materials - Scrap 190X19X2400mm dressed Pine, Plug In Florescent Tube Set, Corded Pull Switch, Dulux Paint -  [Oil based 3 in 1 Undercoat and Water Based Low Sheen top coat tinted in Festool Green], Chain and Screw Hooks.

Friendly electrical contractor.  [smile]

Tools - Festool KS60, Rotex 150, C16, Paint Brush and Roller.

* https://www.wood-database.com/australian-blackwood/
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Cheese on July 16, 2019, 09:48 AM

Invaluable over the last few days as I sand a laminated Otway sourced Blackwood* bench top [Underside shown - see future post].


That Blackwood bench top looks amazing... [smile]
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 16, 2019, 10:04 AM
@Cheese

Thanks. Should be oiling it over next few days. Will most likely post full details by the weekend.
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: Tinker on July 16, 2019, 12:18 PM

Invaluable over the last few days as I sand a laminated Otway sourced Blackwood* bench top [Underside shown - see future post].


That Blackwood bench top looks amazing... [smile]

ditto what Cheese said
Tinker
Title: Re: The tidying of the Untidy Shop
Post by: JMcFly on July 19, 2019, 03:21 PM
I like what you did with the metal cabinet. Ive got a few laying around that I could fix up like you did