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Offline Richard/RMW

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Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« on: July 10, 2022, 04:14 PM »
I’ve spent a lot of the winter/spring decluttering and reconfiguring my small (120SF) shop. There is a lot of background & me babbling contained in two threads on the shop itself & a large MFT/SYS cart I’d built. Turns out that having space for materials and to be able to stand/move makes a shop much more functional…

After weeding out some of the less necessary tools, I replaced the big cart with what I’m calling my “Break-Down (BD) MFT” (modular-ish MFT tops and 80/20 frames) and relocated a lot of tools and shop supplies. The idea behind the BD MFT is to setup in minutes in whatever configuration the work requires yet knocks down for storage. Photos are from various stages while I was figuring this out.







The setup is “modular” in the sense there are consistent sizes that can be configured differently (576mm increments & 768mm). Currently I have 3 sections of top and 4 or 5 sets of legs with several different lengths of 1515 extrusion to connect them together. 2 sets of legs + 4 extrusions make of a single unit that is sturdy yet very lightweight. adding one more leg + connectors extend for each additional top section, i.e. one top requires two leg units, two tops require three legs, etc. The system is workable but still a work in progress. It takes 5-10 minutes to set up depending on how many sections are used, and everything stores in about the same cubic footage as a single Festool MFT.

I have one semi-permanent (base) section attached to the underside of a wall mounted 16” deep worksurface, it is ~44” long and slides in/out as needed to save floor space. The base setup only needs one leg section and the connection to the worksurface makes it steadier than a free-standing MFT. One goal was to be able to totally knock this down when I switch over to welding larger projects, the base setup can be removed & a 24" by 48" welding cart rolled out and left until the project is finished.





Lastly, I just finished up v1.0 of a precise setup on the MFT for track saw use. The setup relies on a TSO guide rail square, which is my go-to setup for anything related to the track saw. After a lot of fiddling around this is working perfectly. For the record, I (1) have zero interest in using an MFT-style hinge setup and (2) do not want to just roll out the table saw for simple cuts.















This setup uses a height-adjustable fence on the front edge of the MFT to both square to the material and locate the guide rail repeatably. The fence prevents the guide rails from tipping on narrow stock & a rear support is available when needed. The Incra track provides accurate measurement & using the triangle handles rips when the material is too narrow for the front fence to give me an accurate 90 degree setup. Various stops/clamps round out the setup. There isn’t much I can’t cut accurately now, including things typically more suitable for a chop saw or table saw.

I’m interested in feedback or suggestions on improvements.

Thanks.

RMW
« Last Edit: August 06, 2022, 09:04 AM by Richard/RMW »
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Offline Sbradley0911

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2022, 04:20 PM »
I don't see a spot for SO workstation or tapeboards  to be attached to that BD mft [scared] lol

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2022, 04:31 PM »
I don't see a spot for SO workstation or tapeboards  to be attached to that BD mft [scared] lol

Ha! Workstation now has its own dedicated home.



You'll have to trust me that there is a tape board with a 20/96mm grid sans photographic evidence.

I did forget to mention the LR-32-ish jig setup withs with this also...



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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2022, 05:09 PM »
I'll give you credit/praise again. You have a lot of stuff in a tiny space and it appears to work for you. I definitely get the cutting station thing though, for sure. Even though I am in a huge space, with darn near every way to cut something at my disposal, I still have the need for a TS cutting station, right next to my main assembly bench.
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Offline festal

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2022, 09:17 AM »
Very interesting as I’ll trying to organize my garage as well. I have my landscaping equipment, snow blower and storage in there as well so it’s not a dedicated shop.


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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2022, 02:23 PM »
Very interesting as I’ll trying to organize my garage as well. I have my landscaping equipment, snow blower and storage in there as well so it’s not a dedicated shop.


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@festal best change I ever made was the high work surfaces for stationary tools with mobile stuff underneath. I prefer fairly tall benches anyway, stationary stuff is 40" on top, 38" below and mobile stuff is ~37".

Maximizes a small space.

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2022, 08:02 PM »
Very interesting as I’ll trying to organize my garage as well. I have my landscaping equipment, snow blower and storage in there as well so it’s not a dedicated shop.


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@festal best change I ever made was the high work surfaces for stationary tools with mobile stuff underneath. I prefer fairly tall benches anyway, stationary stuff is 40" on top, 38" below and mobile stuff is ~37".

Maximizes a small space.

RMW

Thats a good idea, but one slight problem - i'm short lol.  5'8"

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2022, 07:08 AM »
Very interesting as I’ll trying to organize my garage as well. I have my landscaping equipment, snow blower and storage in there as well so it’s not a dedicated shop.


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@festal best change I ever made was the high work surfaces for stationary tools with mobile stuff underneath. I prefer fairly tall benches anyway, stationary stuff is 40" on top, 38" below and mobile stuff is ~37".

Maximizes a small space.

RMW

Thats a good idea, but one slight problem - i'm short lol.  5'8"

That's a factor. I'm no giant (6') so I think my preference is taller than usual, but I find it very comfortable.

The MFT/3 is 900mm (~35-1/2) which I always found uncomfortably low, I'd settled on 37" years before discovering Festool. What surprised me was how well 40" worked for bench tools and fiddly hand work. Definitely not suitable for something like assembling boxes or hand drilling, there lower is better.

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Offline Vondawg

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2022, 08:35 AM »
At 6-2  I completely agree with you on the bench heights  and have mine very simular…and always like seeing your shop iterations
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2022, 12:25 PM »
I’m two inches shorter than Richard but I prefer a 40” bench to a 36”er.

For very small work that requires the 3x reading glasses I often put a heavy wood box on top of the bench so 4 don’t have to bend over.

I think I might make a 1x2x3 foot box with a grid of holes on each side…

On second thought, maybe half that size.
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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2022, 12:59 PM »
"I think I might make a 1x2x3 foot box with a grid of holes on each side…"

I assume that grid will be 96mm, then you could easily pin the box to your
MFT or other work surface with some dogs to keep it from moving around.
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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2022, 08:48 AM »
Stumbled across this while numbing my mind.



Apparently my preferences would make me an outlier.

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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2022, 08:31 PM »
I've been following the thread on the Veritas Domino jig and wishing I had room for one, instead decided to take a stab at a BD-MFT variation. This is v1.0 and I still need to make the fences. It attaches to the 80/20 extrusions, the hole in use gives me a 9mm centerline (6mm domino):







The other hole is 6mm CL. The slot provides adjustability all the way down to the table or up to a 25mm CL.







The MFT tops have one row of holes at 48mm centers to the pattern, they are primarily so I can use dogs for ripping and not cut through another row of holes. Decided to center the jig on this row of holes & whacked out an alignment jig.





I plan to use the other dog holes for securing fences, etc. but haven't totally figured that out yet. Also need to align the domino and set some stops so I can remove/replace it quickly.

70's and low humidity, great night to fiddle in the shop.

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Offline Vondawg

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2022, 06:59 AM »
Can’t imagine the time it took, even over time, to figure out your BD-MFT but what an awesome tool! Shop definitely shows your decluttering work…looks great
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2022, 07:50 AM »
Thanks @Vondawg there was a fair amount of drool/maths put into it over the winter, but it's been worth it.

I'm settling into using it, case in point is I needed some precise shims and it only took a few minutes to cut them with the TS from a ~20" chunk of hard maple.







This is really a testament to the awesome precision of the TSO GRS, it just works without any need to think about it. In this case I made test cut using the scale set to 5mm, measured it and then used some precise shim stock to dial in the next cut and it was spot on (within a few hundredths of a mm) over the length.

RMW
 
« Last Edit: August 06, 2022, 10:11 AM by Richard/RMW »
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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2022, 09:43 AM »
You've made optimum use of a small space. Very well organized Richard.

Your TS cutting station is brilliant. I like the front fence and your use of the GRS for cutting looks to be quick to setup and accurate.
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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2022, 10:09 AM »
Thanks Bob. I keep thinking a typical Dashboard type hinge would be so easy and nice to have but it just doesn't work for me to have the rail standing up on the back of the MFT.

Necessity, mama invention.

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2022, 12:54 PM »
Yeah, the standing rail on the back of my MFT is a problem for me too.
I took a scrap of ply and cut it to fit in the hinge when the rail is raised.
That keeps it from swinging down and hitting my head or falling on my
hand which happened twice, but it's still not ideal and a very crude
workaround to the problem.

I have a couple ideas floating around in my head on how to overcome this,
but nothing that I've thought through far enough to make a prototype for
as yet. Not giving up though. :-)

In the mean time I might copy your excellent idea and see how it works for me.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2022, 02:16 PM »


Richard, do you remove the aluminum square and replace with something the same thickness as the maple stock prior to cutting?

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2022, 05:26 PM »


Richard, do you remove the aluminum square and replace with something the same thickness as the maple stock prior to cutting?

Nope. The adjustable fences at the front and rear support the rail. The table is only ~22" deep so there's no noticeable flex.

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2022, 05:48 PM »
Another beautiful summer day, more time to play. Completed the Domino jig with an adjustable 90/45 fence (ala Carmonius/Veritas), a 25mm offset spacer, and aligned the Domino to the jig.



Aligned the domino to the fence



25mm spacer for use when moving the fence from side to side



Fence attaches with 2 Axminster headless dogs



Added some hold down tabs



Tested the alignment



Locked the domino location



Now I just need to find a place to store it all...



And see if anything in the house needs any doors added.

RMW
« Last Edit: August 06, 2022, 05:58 PM by Richard/RMW »
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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #21 on: Today at 10:48 AM »
These hold-downs would be useful on any MFT.





Repurposed some old dogs (taught them new tricks...) using a few inches of M8 threaded rod, a random spring, UJK M8 knob and WP hold down clamp. Side benefit is they are the perfect length to hold narrow material for rips with the fence setup, the saw misses the clamp by perhaps 1/4".

I did have to lightly file out the slot in the clamp so the M8 wouldn't catch on the edges & used thread locker to secure the threaded rod to the dog.

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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #22 on: Today at 12:51 PM »
The spring is a good add. I have a couple hold-downs like that and they are a pain to keep aligned.
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Re: Shop reconfiguration/Breakdown MFT
« Reply #23 on: Today at 12:56 PM »
The spring is a good add. I have a couple hold-downs like that and they are a pain to keep aligned.

Stole the idea from the Veritas Domino jig.

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