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GENERAL DISCUSSIONS => Workshops and Mobile Vehicle-Based Shops => Topic started by: wing79 on December 08, 2013, 02:05 PM

Title: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on December 08, 2013, 02:05 PM
Here are some photos of the racking I built for my Ram Promaster.  She's pretty ugly, but a great work van with tons of room.  I have to finish the other side but heres what Ive got so far.


I started by installing wedged pieces to mount the flat panels.

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Flat panels installed

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One side finished  [big grin]

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Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Roadkilled on December 08, 2013, 02:27 PM
Pure quality mate. Love it  [jawdrop]
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: builderbob on December 08, 2013, 02:38 PM
You just made my day!  I'm so excited!  I have 1 month to wait for my promaster and seeing that has brightened my gloom of the next 30 days!!!

It looks excellent and will be such a great solution for me versus what I'm working with now!

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: neeleman on December 08, 2013, 03:37 PM
How are the systainers secured from falling of the shelfs?
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: jmbfestool on December 08, 2013, 03:54 PM
I wouldn't say its a ugly van.  Okay not the best looking but it's how a van should look!   Your   " normal " American looking vans are  ugly !  They make your van look sexy!!
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: mastercabman on December 08, 2013, 04:21 PM
I test drove one yesterday and love it
A friend of mine is thinking about getting one sometime next year
I am also interested and if I do get one I want to look into the Sortimo system.
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Peter Halle on December 08, 2013, 04:24 PM
Bob and I have certainly talked about the Ram and the other offerings based on Euro vans that will be coming in the next year.  I am waiting to see the full size Transit before thinking more. 

Peter
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: builderbob on December 08, 2013, 05:07 PM
I wouldn't say its a ugly van.  Okay not the best looking but it's how a van should look!   Your   " normal " American looking vans are  ugly !  They make your van look sexy!!

I too think it's sexy in an ugly/sexy way!
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: builderbob on December 08, 2013, 05:09 PM
I test drove one yesterday and love it
A friend of mine is thinking about getting one sometime next year
I am also interested and if I do get one I want to look into the Sortimo system.

I inquired about the sortimo-globelyst system. It rang in around $5500 installed!  I'll get a partition in and build the rest from there!  I'll put the savings into something else!  It's a nice system but it's pricey!
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Alli on December 08, 2013, 05:41 PM
I looked at the first photo and that your having a laugh, how on earth are you going to get that racking in your van - its not big enough ;D ;D ;D

I really like the festool racking, it looks good
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: neilc on December 08, 2013, 09:22 PM
Really nice work.  Are the shelves adjustable or fixed?  Assume you are using dominos or dowels to hold the Systainers in place and not fly out.

Thanks for sharing!  I'm sure you'll get a lot of productive use out of being organized and it can't help but impress any clients who happen to look in the van!

neil
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on December 08, 2013, 10:02 PM
The sortimo system would have been awesome, but at well over $5000 that's a lot of Festools!  One of the thing I like most about how these turned out, is that the side that is pictured is made up of three separate sections.  Each one is held in by a groove cut to fit over a ledge near the top rear of the uprights. Each sections has only four screws that hold them in place, and can all be removed in less than ten minutes (not including the removal of Festools) [wink] I am planning on scanning all of my templates and making cad files in order to cnc cut all these parts.  The van is a pretty easy setup but in my experiences with building racks in vans is most the time is spent in making templates.   All the shelves are adjustable and held in place by 4 pockets cut for the t-loc feet to sit in.  The shelves were all cut and pocketed with my cnc machine.  The uprights are all the exact same size for both left and right sides.  I cut a template and flush routed each piece so they are all identical.


This is the groove cut to fit over the ledge which holds the upper portion of the rack sections snug to the wall of the van.

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Thanks for all the positive feedback!

Much appreciated,
Jim



Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Guilliaume woodworks on December 08, 2013, 10:44 PM
Momma always said " ugly is just on the outside,  beautiful  is what's on the inside." Your van is a perfect example of this. Really nice job on rack. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Sparktrician on December 09, 2013, 09:14 AM
Momma always said " ugly is just on the outside,  beautiful  is what's on the inside."


Reminds me of the crack, "Beauty is only skin-deep, but ugly goes to the bone." 

 [big grin]

Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: GhostFist on December 09, 2013, 11:03 AM
While those vans look like icecream trucks from space, they are the most practical and thereby perfect for what we do. Whats ugly to me is cabinetmakers in giant 4x4 pick-up trucks who only drive in the city. I can't tell you how many people have tried to talk me into one of those. "But my tools are exposed", "put a cap on it", " then its just a less practical van that sucks gas"......"oh ya..."
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: 3PedalMINI on December 09, 2013, 11:17 AM
Thanks for sharing! Just can't get over the looks if it. It's ashaim the looks don't match the capability  [blink]

Well done! Love these van threads
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on December 09, 2013, 12:52 PM
Here is what the shelves look like with the four pockets under the systainers. 
These are what holds the systainers from falling out while driving.

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Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: neeleman on December 09, 2013, 01:18 PM
Very nice pockets, I assume you just lift the front of the systainer and then pull it forward from the shelf?
But how about the rear pockets, you have to lift the hole systainer and not just the front?
If they are heavy there are not so many parts to grab the systainer?

Do I also see a LR32 system for variable shelving?
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: madmaguire on December 09, 2013, 04:35 PM
Nice rig!!  I just did a few modifications to my truck…….
The original  drawer systems hold 4 Systainers each drawer, 4,3,2,1 X's 2, I separated them and added the kapex and ct 26 in the middle. I fabricated the new drawer systems (3) to be single wide and 2 systainers deep  I was having a hard time figuring a way to lock the drawers and finally came up with a solution that works great!
Also made a charging station that hangs on a french cleat for my Milwaukee cordless stuff. And finally added a few blocks of wood and a bungee to hold an mft and the ug extensions  Doesn't look like much but from what it was to these few mods it makes a world of difference!
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on December 09, 2013, 06:41 PM
Very nice pockets, I assume you just lift the front of the systainer and then pull it forward from the shelf?
But how about the rear pockets, you have to lift the hole systainer and not just the front?
If they are heavy there are not so many parts to grab the systainer?

Do I also see a LR32 system for variable shelving?


Yeah, once you lift the front of the systainer you just pull it right out.  The heavier ones go in and out with the same ease. 

Also no LR32  [sad].  Yet.......
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on December 09, 2013, 06:46 PM
Looks good Madmaguire!   Very functional.  It's amazing how much more enjoyable work can be using amazing tools and being
organized.
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: mastercabman on December 09, 2013, 07:15 PM
While those vans look like icecream trucks from space, they are the most practical and thereby perfect for what we do. Whats ugly to me is cabinetmakers in giant 4x4 pick-up trucks who only drive in the city. I can't tell you how many people have tried to talk me into one of those. "But my tools are exposed", "put a cap on it", " then its just a less practical van that sucks gas"......"oh ya..."
Pick up trucks to me is a waste.It's so hard to work out of it.Plus you need to spend more money for a cap/bed slide.Vans are more practical but the American van design is also a pain.
You still have to get on your knees to get to your stuff.Those high top euro van are the bomb!!And I don't think they're ugly,i think they are neat looking.
This Dodge ram promaster is really a FIAT van
I'm going to wait for the Transite (Ford) to see what is all about before I do anything.
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: madmaguire on December 09, 2013, 07:43 PM
Organization! Is the KEY to success!,
Love your rig!
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Dochawthorne on December 12, 2013, 10:50 PM
Very nice set up I just got rid of my truck with topper and bed slide and got a 10' box van. Getting ready to set up the back almost like yours do the systainers stay on the shelves good when driving. I was going to use Miller dowels but had thought about what you did with the feet cut outs. I love my van but will be even better when the back looks more like yours. Thanks for the pics I'll post some when I finish mine.
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on December 13, 2013, 07:40 PM
The pockets routed in the shelves have worked great.  I've yet to have a systainer jump out of place, and fall.  So far so good! [big grin]

Also finished up the other side.  Pictures real soon!!!
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Sign Guy on December 13, 2013, 09:50 PM
24 replies and no one mentioned the van needs GRAPHICS for God's sake.
Forget about storage he needs to wrap this van.
So here is my idea.
What you see inside is what you see on the outside.
His graphics will be what he has inside.
Who's with me?
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Kristian on December 17, 2013, 06:51 AM
Very cool setup, Jim! How did you attach the wedged pieces of wood to the metal?
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: jmbfestool on December 17, 2013, 01:29 PM
24 replies and no one mentioned the van needs GRAPHICS for God's sake.
Forget about storage he needs to wrap this van.
So here is my idea.
What you see inside is what you see on the outside.
His graphics will be what he has inside.
Who's with me?


Funny but I  personally would think ummmmmmm na.
 
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on December 17, 2013, 06:07 PM
Very cool setup, Jim! How did you attach the wedged pieces of wood to the metal?

Thanks Kristian!,

I attached them with some toggle bolts.  Didn't want to put self tapping screws
Because the wedges are pretty thick on the bottom.  The wegdes are more or less spacers to give support in the middle of the flat panels that the racking mounts to.

Hope this helps,
Jim
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Kristian on December 19, 2013, 07:24 AM
Very cool setup, Jim! How did you attach the wedged pieces of wood to the metal?

Thanks Kristian!,

I attached them with some toggle bolts.  Didn't want to put self tapping screws
Because the wedges are pretty thick on the bottom.  The wegdes are more or less spacers to give support in the middle of the flat panels that the racking mounts to.

Hope this helps,
Jim


Ahh, I see - that's quite clever! Where the flat panels then attached with self tapping screws?

- Kristian
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on December 19, 2013, 08:40 AM
Very cool setup, Jim! How did you attach the wedged pieces of wood to the metal?

Thanks Kristian!,

I attached them with some toggle bolts.  Didn't want to put self tapping screws
Because the wedges are pretty thick on the bottom.  The wegdes are more or less spacers to give support in the middle of the flat panels that the racking mounts to.

Hope this helps,
Jim


Ahh, I see - that's quite clever! Where the flat panels then attached with self tapping screws?

- Kristian




Yup!   The flat panels are the only pieces that are mounted to the van "permanently".  Everything else has just a few screws holding it from moving around. 
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Kristian on December 19, 2013, 09:42 AM
Very cool setup, Jim! How did you attach the wedged pieces of wood to the metal?

Thanks Kristian!,

I attached them with some toggle bolts.  Didn't want to put self tapping screws
Because the wedges are pretty thick on the bottom.  The wegdes are more or less spacers to give support in the middle of the flat panels that the racking mounts to.

Hope this helps,
Jim


Ahh, I see - that's quite clever! Where the flat panels then attached with self tapping screws?

- Kristian




Yup!   The flat panels are the only pieces that are mounted to the van "permanently".  Everything else has just a few screws holding it from moving around. 


Thanks for clarifying! I've just bought a small van and although I'm not sure I'll add shelves and such I guess I still would be a little hesitant to "puncture" the metal... But as long as I don't see daylight or smell diesel I guess it'll be okay….!  [wink]

Thanks again.

- Kristian

Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: Dochawthorne on January 29, 2014, 06:04 PM
Here are some pics of mine. It's not done yet but all the systainers have a home and are really easy to get in and out.
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on January 29, 2014, 09:26 PM
Lookin good!  It's so nice being organized!!!
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: dryvah on March 23, 2015, 02:24 PM
Wing79, I'm about to start building out my Promaster and I'm using what you did as my inspiration. Is that 1/8 tempered hardboard you used on the walls? MDO for the shelves?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Ram Promaster Van Racking Project
Post by: wing79 on March 23, 2015, 08:51 PM
Actually I used 3/4 MDO for the entire project, including the walls