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Offline Timtool

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New workshop build
« on: June 21, 2015, 03:29 PM »
Beginning this year i started slowly preparing to build myself a new shop inside my hangar.
This 500m2 hangar is not insulated and open to some winds, currently i do my assembly work in a 20m2 corner that i insulated from the rest but that is getting much too small. All my stationary machines are in the hangar which means that when it is freezing, it also freezes there when i work behind my machines.

So for my comfort and that of the machines (some days there is heavy condensation and water dripping on them) i made plans for a new 180m2 workshop (1937 square foot) comprising a large machine room, a separate assembly room and a finishing room. upstairs i am also making a small temporary apartment.

here i have made a video of the framing of the assembly and finishing area:



I am trying to do this eco-friendly by using as many natural elements as possible, straw as insulation, zero-VOC paint, zero-formaldehyde OSB etc... Not just "for the planet" but also because i work in there and i want a healthy environment.

Currently i am more advanced than in the video, i finished making the doors and windows, insulating and drywalling. i am doing all of this mostly alone for the past two months nearly full time. I have now began working on the apartment and will then start on the machine room!








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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2015, 04:08 PM »
Looks good, well thought out.  I'm unsure of the straw for insulation but you must be knowledgeable about it's properties. 

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2015, 04:25 PM »
The house I grew up in was very old(by USA standards) and many of the walls had mud, straw, and horse hair for insulation.  That house was always comfortable except in the addition that was added in the 60's.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2015, 10:51 PM »
Great start to what will be a terrific shop.  Nice that you are taking care of both yourself and the planet with the material selection.  Looking forward to the next video in the series.

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2015, 03:56 AM »
Nice job!
Hope next video asap to see the progression
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 05:32 AM »
Is it just me that's disappointed not to see a cool aeroplane after reading the word "hangar" ? [embarassed] [sad]

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2015, 06:52 AM »
Is it just me that's disappointed not to see a cool aeroplane after reading the word "hangar" ? [embarassed] [sad]

I always struggle to find a working English word, it appears that in English hangar is mostly used in relation to storing planes.
In all other languages i know it designates all big buildings without inner walls, hall or barn come to mind but i don't know if those are more appropriate.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2015, 07:43 AM »
Amazing! How many man hours you spent on that?

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2015, 08:13 AM »
Is it just me that's disappointed not to see a cool aeroplane after reading the word "hangar" ? [embarassed] [sad]

I always struggle to find a working English word, it appears that in English hangar is mostly used in relation to storing planes.
In all other languages i know it designates all big buildings without inner walls, hall or barn come to mind but i don't know if those are more appropriate.

Barn is the word [wink]

Hall tends to be more for formal or social gatherings, exhibitions, shows, etc ... barn is a large multi-purpose / utility building common on large properties ... shed being the more common on small properties.

Regardless ... I think yours just turned into a factory [wink] looking good!

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2015, 08:38 AM »
Great work -- what a joy to have such a large virgin space to plan and fill.  I love how your dog is totally unfazed by the sword saw.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2015, 08:45 AM »
I always struggle to find a working English word...
 

I have the same problem, and I'm a native English speaker...   [sad] 
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2015, 09:48 AM »
Cool as heck , I'm envious
are you gonna live in the apartment ?
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2015, 10:15 AM »
Is it just me that's disappointed not to see a cool aeroplane after reading the word "hangar" ? [embarassed] [sad]

I always struggle to find a working English word, it appears that in English hangar is mostly used in relation to storing planes.
In all other languages i know it designates all big buildings without inner walls, hall or barn come to mind but i don't know if those are more appropriate.

Barn is the word [wink]

Hall tends to be more for formal or social gatherings, exhibitions, shows, etc ... barn is a large multi-purpose / utility building common on large properties ... shed being the more common on small properties.

Regardless ... I think yours just turned into a factory [wink] looking good!


I would suggest that "barn" connotes agriculture. Interestingly enough, on a traditional farm, it's common to have 3 large buildings... the barn for animals, the granary to hold grain, and a machine shed to house machinery and as a workshop.

As a result, I'd have to go with shed, which as a noun in English really has two definitions. The first is a small building for storage and the second is a large, strongly built and open space building that commonly has a large opening on at least one end.


Tom

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2015, 02:28 PM »
Hi Tim

I always enjoy your videos, and look forward to the next ones you post that show what you're doing  with the shop build-out. It looks like a great project.

I agree with Tom re: the use of shed. Thinking back to all the times I visited my grandparents on their farm in Kansas, 'barn' was used anytime hay or livestock were involved, but 'shed' was used for the other buildings (even if large in size) that had tools, tractors, machinery, etc.  It is interesting to read that 'hangar' is used in a multi-purpose way in other languages.

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2015, 03:30 PM »
Is it just me that's disappointed not to see a cool aeroplane after reading the word "hangar" ? [embarassed] [sad]

I always struggle to find a working English word, it appears that in English hangar is mostly used in relation to storing planes.
In all other languages i know it designates all big buildings without inner walls, hall or barn come to mind but i don't know if those are more appropriate.

Barn is the word [wink]

Hall tends to be more for formal or social gatherings, exhibitions, shows, etc ... barn is a large multi-purpose / utility building common on large properties ... shed being the more common on small properties.

Regardless ... I think yours just turned into a factory [wink] looking good!


I would suggest that "barn" connotes agriculture. Interestingly enough, on a traditional farm, it's common to have 3 large buildings... the barn for animals, the granary to hold grain, and a machine shed to house machinery and as a workshop.

As a result, I'd have to go with shed, which as a noun in English really has two definitions. The first is a small building for storage and the second is a large, strongly built and open space building that commonly has a large opening on at least one end.


Tom

Hmm ... no stables for animals?

I've always seen "barn" as a bare utility structure (hence my thinking). Locally we see shed small, barn big.

... regardless, NA and down under interpretations of a euro structure [big grin]

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2015, 04:23 PM »
Kev, it's stuff like this that makes me stop and think for a minute......'stable' has always been (for me, at least) a structure where horses are kept.  I don't think I've heard another usage for that word.  Around here (Loudoun County and Fauquier County) there are a lot of horses, and everything relating to the horses is listed as a 'stable'.

English is a strange language.

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2015, 04:27 PM »
Don't they have "shearing sheds" in OZ? Places where lots of sheep/goats get haircuts at the same time by several enthusiastic "mates"? I've always wondered about that term as used outside this country... With sheep involved???
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2015, 04:53 PM »
I have started an etymological incident! So this barn used to be a stable that contained BBB cows (Belgian white-blue), horses and pigs with a second level where we stored straw bales. Until about 8 years ago when we tore everything down on the inside and had a polished concrete floor poored and used it as a barn to store our farming equipment.

then i started doing some woodworking and it grew and grew up to a point where it is now my main income source. I am building this new shop in order to better separate both activities.

@Jeff, i have no idea how many hours and i prefer not to count! I thought i would do it in two steps and make a break in between to work again for customers but now i am thinking about going to the finish. Then i would hope to be done by August and be ready before it gets colder. If i want to heat it, it needs to be completely closed.

@Billy, indeed i will live up there with my GF, we bought the barn with the house next to it, but it needs too much work so we will tear it down and rebuild it. Meanwhile we will live in the apartment. The barn and house used to be of my grandparents, they had the house made in pre-fab in the '70s when their brick farm burned down.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2015, 05:59 PM »
Thanks for taking the time and sharing your build with us can't wait for the next vid

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2015, 07:37 PM »
Don't they have "shearing sheds" in OZ? Places where lots of sheep/goats get haircuts at the same time by several enthusiastic "mates"? I've always wondered about that term as used outside this country... With sheep involved???
Tom

Yes they do, shearing, milking, etc. But typically not tall open structures.

Mate is an odd term, particularly when you consider its meaning as a verb [eek]

Personally I've always considered a "shed" as storage (wood shed, tool shed, gardening shed) ... I keep things in a shed, but I do things in a workshop.

The only way out of this is for us to come up with a well abstracted object model for structures [big grin]

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2015, 07:01 PM »
How about "out building" - I use that or simply workshop -- since, that is what it is. Thanks for posting, Tim. I too enjoy seeing your work in process and watching all of your videos.

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2015, 09:33 AM »
Personally I've always considered a "shed" as storage (wood shed, tool shed, gardening shed) ... I keep things in a shed, but I do things in a workshop.

Shed or Workshop varies a lot, a really interesting one e.g. ... you'ld definitely retire to a shed to escape the other half, and when asked what you are doing the correct term is of course 'jarvising'!!!

Now that doesn't really fit with a workshop, a place of industry and production whereas the whole point of jarvising is to produce nothing!

So shed: storage and faux work, workshop: REAL work :)

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2015, 10:31 AM »
I just got onto this party.  I have a couple of comments beyond what a great job you are doing.
I would think straw or hay wood be great insulation.  I see plenty of houses with thatched roofs in Germany and Denmark.  I am sure there ore plenty all over Europe.  I have never seen any here in USofA, but that might be a matter of building and fire codes.  I never looked into that part of building construction. 

About what your building should be called:  How about "abarntment"?   ::)
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2015, 05:54 PM »
I think i forgot to post some in between progress, but here is how it currently looks. I will compile videos of the different steps once it gets a little less hectic. i should have finished it by 1st of august and i only just started moving in the tools today... so work is starting to pile up so badly that i had to scrap an important commissioned job who's deadline i wouldn't have been able to meet anymore.

Assembly room, floor is French pine that i finished with 3 hardwax coats.



Machine room, still some electrical work to do and figure out the DC system.







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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2015, 09:07 PM »
Tim.  Looks great.  All I can say.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2015, 11:19 PM »
Wow! Tim, you've got a great space there. Really looking forward to seeing how you fill it up! BTW, I'm loving my MFTC - great plans.


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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2015, 11:40 PM »
F...ing awesome shop

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2015, 12:19 AM »
Is envy really a sin? I think you're making mine perfectly rational !!

Awesome.

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2015, 03:33 AM »
I think i forgot to post some in between progress, but here is how it currently looks. I will compile videos of the different steps once it gets a little less hectic. i should have finished it by 1st of august and i only just started moving in the tools today... so work is starting to pile up so badly that i had to scrap an important commissioned job who's deadline i wouldn't have been able to meet anymore.

Assembly room, floor is French pine that i finished with 3 hardwax coats.

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Machine room, still some electrical work to do and figure out the DC system.

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Tim, It's really shameful that paying jobs have to screw up our scheduling.

That is really looking great in spite of your necessary infringements. Looking forward to seeing all that space filled with toys >>> and projects.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2015, 04:35 AM »
Thank you Tim for sharing this documentation of your marvelous work!

Your shop looks like it would be fun to work within, the best photos i like is the nearly empty shop with your dog everywhere, sitting there, a little bored. He is sweet :-)

I have a question regarding the outside walls, is it faster to assemble the whole walls with wood and beams and so on, rather than to use stones like ytong or so?
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2015, 05:49 AM »
Your shop looks like it would be fun to work within, the best photos i like is the nearly empty shop with your dog everywhere, sitting there, a little bored. He is sweet :-)

I have a question regarding the outside walls, is it faster to assemble the whole walls with wood and beams and so on, rather than to use stones like ytong or so?

It was late and time to go home, so my dog kept sitting in front of me to remind me she wanted to go home!

As for building the walls, it is definitely fast with wood. With the help of my girlfiend we did between 2-3 walls a day. This machine room took a little over 2 days. But what took alot of time was placing the roof beams, insulation, drywalling etc...

The outside concrete block wall 12m long took two men a week to build.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2015, 08:47 AM »
Really nice job, as allways ;-)
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2015, 09:06 AM »
Stunning space.  Look forward to more pics.  Maybe inspire JMB to post some pics of his new workshop  [poke]
If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2015, 05:54 PM »
Thanks all for the comments! Today i finished the dc system, well made it functional.
Lucky for me there is a company (Ducomat) 10 minutes from here that sells DC systems, i brought back what i had over and took what i was missing.
I planned the lay out, but then reality kicks in. I had to adapt it so it would fall under a row of ceiling beams so i could attach the ducts better. I also had change it so it wouldn't fall under the light armatures.

So far it appears to suck more than my previous homemade system, on their advice i kept the whole system in 160mm ducts and only reduced to 120mm right before the blast gates. The slightest gaps around all the closed gates now scream as air is being sucked through every crease even with one or two open gates.

My previous system was spiral ducts that started in 160mm but then went to 120mm at the first Y section.



The dust collector starts automatically by detecting current on one of the 3 phases, i still need to figure out the right phase to use for each machine.
One of them serves as a brake, so if you use that one the DC stays on as long as the machine is breaking. Another phase also serves to raise the planer bed or spindle axis, if you press those buttons the dc starts lol.

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2015, 08:39 PM »
Man these photos have me chomping at the bit.

September the 11th i take delivery of a long awaited AD941 and a RL125.

My shop is nothing as nice as yours but these machines should help.

I plan to purchase a piece of land in the next ten years and put a metal building up on a slab. Something line 40x80 or so. One half will be living the other workshop and separate two car garage. Then maybe i will have a shop half as nice as what you have built?

Next year ill add the Felder oscillating sander and in a month or two the slot mortiser.

Photo of new toy to move my new bigger toys...
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2015, 09:04 PM »
I'm starting to think Festool may simply be a gateway drug. Instead of a garage size workshop full of Festool, you progress to a warehouse size workshop full of Felder.

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2015, 04:13 AM »
And warehouse toys to move his toys around with  ;D
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2015, 05:17 PM »
@ Iceclimber, what decided you to go for the 900 model? Thats one serious piece of industrial machine. I admit that i partly chose for the 700 series because of the looks. That range also seems aimed at one man shops where the owners actually uses them.

Also what oscillating sander do you mean? They have wide belt sanders, i don't think they oscillate other than to keep the belt centered pneumatically?

@ Kev, when you start out it's easier to spend on small quality tools, once that is done you move onto upgrading the big ones. And when that is done you can start thinking of building an appartment and move out of mom and dad's house :p
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2015, 05:49 PM »
Wow this is really starting to look like the shop I've been dreaming about!  Thanks for the photos and keep them coming  [smile]

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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2015, 05:56 PM »
Mostly just that the rep sent me to look at a 700 series combo machine before i made the purchase. After seeing that machine in person the. Coming home and taking a closer look at what info and pics on the AD741 i could find i noticed slight "i mean slight" differences.

One being the tables are not prisimed. The other major thing being the bars that support the upper tables. On the 700 series combo machine i looked at the underside of the planer tables had two really beefy bars under the left and right side of the tables. The Ad741 has only one of those beefy much more like the Hammer line.

Other than that i liked the fence with that stupid upright bar a bit more. The real truth is after seeing that 700 series combo machine then chatting with my rep and pointing out the few minor differences above i just did not want to take the chance on a machine that cost 10k plus that because i was put off by another 2-3k i end up disappointed because the machine was not as i expected.

Im sure the 700 series would had been more than enough machine for me. I just figure this is the last jointer planer I'm buying so why not do it right and go all out. Well its not a Martin but thats just to bad isnt it.

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Also what oscillating sander do you mean? They have wide belt sanders, i don't think they oscillate other than to keep the belt centered pneumatically?

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2015, 06:39 PM »
Nice progress.  Cutting that LVL looked a little scary though.

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« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2015, 04:18 PM »
Today my Jet air filter arrived, i already had the small model for the assembly room, but this room needs the bigger model.
I temporarily connected it with a power cord, when i made the ceiling i installed a cable especially for this in the ceiling but still need to make an outlet.



This is the assembly room, i just placed my old benches how they best fit but i plan on rebuilding everything whenever i have the time. The back wall is ideal for a "wall of chaos"



The first piece to be completed in my new shop, a dovetailed entry table for a customer's shop.

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2015, 07:54 PM »
Really nice job on the shop and that piece , thanks for sharing
BTW I've been following your videos on you tube , long before  I even knew what fog was, keep em coming and good luck with your new shop
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2015, 09:59 PM »
I'm starting to think Festool may simply be a gateway drug. Instead of a garage size workshop full of Festool, you progress to a warehouse size workshop full of Felder.

Amen to that.  Started small with a few Festools.  Found Felder/Hammer and I knew I was in trouble.  Made a bit of a mistake by not ordering the A3-41 instead of the a3-31 I did order.  Sometimes having the extra width is worth it.  Oh well.  Might have to Craigslist the 31 at some point and order the 41. 
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2015, 05:13 PM »
Nice table  and awesome  workshop.
Just wondering   how you cut  the dovetails  on that table. Band saw  set up?

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« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2015, 05:28 PM »
Nice table  and awesome  workshop.
Just wondering   how you cut  the dovetails  on that table. Band saw  set up?

When i took the job i thought i would find some way to do it with machines, but apparently not.
I was able to cut the pin cheeks on the panel saw, but all the rest was cut roughly with a jig saw and then finished by hand with a chisel. This was the second time ever i cut them by hand, the first time was in woodworking class 4 years ago.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2015, 08:34 PM »
just looked closely at the picture of the assembly area.  What's your pup so interested in?  He's staring intently at the floor at something. 
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2015, 03:39 AM »
David J Marks  does some amazing stuff with  large  dovetails  cut on the band saw.
He doesn't give much away though  on his jig set  ups.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2015, 02:53 PM »
Very nice workshop and very nice felder machines.

I wish I could have afforded to have the upgraded spindle moulder and table saw separate instead having them as a combo.  Plus I'm limited with space because I need a large assembling area.   Does do my head in a lot when I have the changer over from one to another sometimes.

Oh well.  [crying]
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« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2015, 05:13 PM »
Oh well i kind of regret not taking the spindle on the panel saw, but as a second spindle moulder. I had this on my previous panel saw and the long slider was sometimes ideal for long workpieces and doing curves with long jigs.
But i agree the set up takes time, it's especially annoying when it's your only spindle moulder. After a while i bought a stand alone Hammer moulder which i sold this year and replaced with this Felder.

At least you can still get a stand alone model in the future, i can't add one to my panel saw.
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« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2015, 05:19 PM »
Oh well i kind of regret not taking the spindle on the panel saw, but as a second spindle moulder. I had this on my previous panel saw and the long slider was sometimes ideal for long workpieces and doing curves with long jigs.
But i agree the set up takes time, it's especially annoying when it's your only spindle moulder. After a while i bought a stand alone Hammer moulder which i sold this year and replaced with this Felder.

At least you can still get a stand alone model in the future, i can't add one to my panel saw.

Yeah suppose you are right.

I have one problem....... Wife!

I have spent a lot already and every time I spend a lot I say I need this to become more productive. She then says okay but that's it then..... I say Umm yeah.....  She replies NO! That's it no more. LoL  [eek]


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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2015, 06:24 AM »
Oh well i kind of regret not taking the spindle on the panel saw, but as a second spindle moulder. I had this on my previous panel saw and the long slider was sometimes ideal for long workpieces and doing curves with long jigs.
But i agree the set up takes time, it's especially annoying when it's your only spindle moulder. After a while i bought a stand alone Hammer moulder which i sold this year and replaced with this Felder.

At least you can still get a stand alone model in the future, i can't add one to my panel saw.

Yeah suppose you are right.

I have one problem....... Wife!

I have spent a lot already and every time I spend a lot I say I need this to become more productive. She then says okay but that's it then..... I say Umm yeah.....  She replies NO! That's it no more. LoL  [eek]

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2015, 05:29 PM »
Fantastic workshop, congrats!

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2015, 03:23 PM »
 Great workshop Tim !
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2015, 05:24 PM »
Great video, great shop build, great table . Thanks for sharing !

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« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2015, 06:11 AM »
Heating is there, initially i was leaning toward heating the shop with heat pumps because it's practical, can cool in the summer and regulate air humidity.
But the cost was extremely prohibitive (around €12.000), in terms of energy savings it would take about 20 years to break even financially with the consumption of basic electric heaters... providing the heat pumps last that long and never require fixing.

So plan B it was, a wood stove. There is a Belgian manufacturer "Deom turbo" that builds wood stoves that can burn anything including saw dust. I installed the ducting myself after getting a few quotes for getting the installation done, they basically asked around €2600 exc vat to do the job, while i did it in one day and bought the pipes for a little under €1000 online... Ill post a video of that when done.

So far the stove works very well with either solid wood or shavings, When i fill it with shavings it burns for about two hours on a medium setting, but i suspect that it will do longer if it contains sawdust. A nice way to get rid of what has been a problem up to now, so far i have about 3 tons of shavings/sawdust in big bags.



It has two valves on top to regulate air inflow, one only serves for opening the stove without getting smoke, and the other regulates the air intake. It's connected to a tube that goes to the center of the stove, that way you get a "turbo" effect as the air comes from above and is blown in the center. This allows to burn sawdust and shavings.

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2015, 04:10 PM »
Nice way to get rid of the sawdust, but take good care of cleaning the chimney!
Hope you invested the saving on the installation for a set of fire extinguisher, and a good fire and carbon dioxide alarm
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« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2015, 04:47 PM »
You are required to have your chimney sweeped at least once a year over here, otherwise your fire insurance won't cover you.
Besides that i tried doing it by the rules, made a plaster board box in the ceiling where it goes through and filled it with rock wool.
I haven't yet installed smoke alarms, trying to figure out how many i need. My electrician told me i could need 9 in the machine room alone because of the ceiling beams that trap smoke. Fire extinguishers are there though, i have a few small ones dispersed here and there in sensible areas but bought a big one for the new shop.
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2015, 05:26 AM »
You are required to have your chimney sweeped at least once a year over here, otherwise your fire insurance won't cover you.
Besides that i tried doing it by the rules, made a plaster board box in the ceiling where it goes through and filled it with rock wool.
I haven't yet installed smoke alarms, trying to figure out how many i need. My electrician told me i could need 9 in the machine room alone because of the ceiling beams that trap smoke. Fire extinguishers are there though, i have a few small ones dispersed here and there in sensible areas but bought a big one for the new shop.

Glad you are using insulation around the pipe.  i don't know the rules now, but when i was in the biz, some were using triple walled pipes.  i refused to use them for any of my installations. The problem with the triple pipes was they sometimes collapsed the inside wall.  The double lined with packing insulation were the best.  The way yours is set up, you are collecting heat from the pipe all the way to where it goes try the ceiling.  Good job.  I have never burned sawdust, but i have heard some of the newer stoves have that ability.  Good way to get rid of such waste. 

Buning any kind of wood stove is asking for creosote buildup.  The more modern slow burning stoves are a bigger problem with creosote than the old fashioned stoves that sent a lot more heat up the chimney.  There are products on the market that supposedly eliminate creosote.  Don't believe the adds.  I have experimented with my own chimney (I built it).  Those products turn the creosote into flakes, supposedly harmless.  The way i clean my chimney (not recommended for other chimneys) is to create a chimney fire that i can control with adjusting the air intake of my wood stove.  believe me when i tell you those flakes caused by the "chimney cleaning" product can be twice as explosive as the normal coating of creosote. they are very easy to clean out of the chimney if cleaned regularly and more often.  The problem is, you actually need to clean more often when using such product. 

metal stove pipes, such as yours, do not create as much creosote as quickly as masonry.    chimneys, but they still build up a good layer.  I don't know if burning sawdust creates a creosote problem any more quickly, or any more product, than any other form of wood that can be burned in a stove. You seem to be thorough in researching all that goes into your shop, so your are probably more up-to-date than i on the problem. Is it possible you could give me a reliable site where safety of burning sawdust vs solid wood has been discussed.  I will do my own research later today or the first rainy day
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2015, 06:37 AM »

metal stove pipes, such as yours, do not create as much creosote as quickly as masonry.    chimneys, but they still build up a good layer.  I don't know if burning sawdust creates a creosote problem any more quickly, or any more product, than any other form of wood that can be burned in a stove. You seem to be thorough in researching all that goes into your shop, so your are probably more up-to-date than i on the problem. Is it possible you could give me a reliable site where safety of burning sawdust vs solid wood has been discussed.  I will do my own research later today or the first rainy day
Tinker

I suspect burning sawdust may get the chimney dirty quicker, when the air intake is set wide open it blows consuming particles up into the chimney. But then again sawdust is generally very dry as it is exposed to air and comes from kiln dried wood which may play in it's favor. The way current systems are built with a T behind the stove with a removable cap belows makes it easy to inspect them. With masonry you had to remove the stove.

I don't have any technical info other than user experience of this stove posted on forums, besides that there are no videos of it in function which made me doubt if it was actually practical or not. But so far it looks like it works well, i may even stick to burning sawdust only and keep giving away the solid wood to my parents.
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« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2015, 12:40 AM »
I have had two of those stoves and they are good, I burnt the bottom out of them eventually. I then got an old 40 gallon oil drum, took the cast top of the stove and cut out the top of the drum to fit, Its now double the size and lasting a lot better.

 
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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2015, 02:23 AM »
Have I mentioned how warm it is here in Sydney ... [wink] [big grin]

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2015, 11:54 AM »
C'mon now Tim, Couldn't you have made it slightly bigger?..  [eek]

Not Jealous.

At All.

Honest. 

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #63 on: December 08, 2015, 08:14 PM »
Marvellous video and topic. Great shop.

Exactly the information I was looking for too as I am about to embark upon moving workshop into an existing barn that is similar to what you started with albeit a cheaper build than yours. How do you find your relative humidity to be in the various rooms?

I'm in the UK but I gather the weather isn't all that different.

All the best

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Re: New workshop build
« Reply #64 on: January 23, 2016, 12:22 AM »
Awesome looking workshop/hangar there Tim.  [big grin]

If I manage to build a workshop that looks half that good I would be very pleased with myself. I did purchase the plans from you for the MFTC and the Sysport so I have some good starting points. I'm actually looking to make the Sysport bench longer.
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