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Title: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on August 26, 2014, 09:38 AM
Bought a custom V nose Trailer, 20' plus the V nose is about 28' and 8.5' wide,  got the V nose so I could get the front fold down door (Snow mobile, 4 Wheeler model). The front door and rear door down allow me to cut crown inside in any weather and eliminate setup tear down time.

I built the 8' rolling work bench chassis in the trailer. Had plenty of room to handle 4x8 sheets of 5/8 plywood. Made it rolling for 2 reasons. 1) I can use it in either trailer, the 14' or Car Hauler. 2) It is a car hauler and I want a corvette   [big grin] So when I get it I can still use it for either purpose.

That is a full size fridge sitting next to the bench and I still had plenty of room. The fridge is going to a friends garage this week.

Now that I have the Bench built I need to design and build 2 (left/right) 5 inch-ish tall wings for the Kapex. I might keep and use the original Ultimate Kapex stand for other jobs where I can set it on saw horses.

Next project this week is to build a rolling Table saw stand that will attach to the 8' bench and act as a feed table.

I put heavy duty 5" locking wheels on it and loaded with tools still rolls smoothly and effortlessly, Not bad on asphalt road either. If I get a house with a garage I will just roll this in for a work shop.

Dimensions: 8' long, 35" tall with wheels, 28" deep cab, 29" top. I used the Kreg jig pocket joint and glued all joints with Tite bond ultimate. The top is only fastened with the pocket screws for easy replacement later.

Plans for the wings (and I have to give credit to my 20-1/2 yr old son for coming up with the storage idea) make them 46" wide (that is the opening on each side of the center post) and put in a cleat/shelf on each side and slide them in under the top for storage, some kind of twist latch to keep them from coming out in transit. When I need the Kapex, just set it up on the bench and pull out the wings and fasten down, ready to cut. [attachimg=1][attachimg=2][attachimg=3][attachimg=4][attachimg=5][attachimg=6][attachimg=7][attachimg=8][attachimg=9][attachimg=10]   

Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: Kev on August 26, 2014, 10:38 AM
That thing is HUGE!!! [scared] [eek]

Congrats - awesome rolling workshop [wink]
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: shed9 on August 26, 2014, 11:46 AM
WOW  :o

That is just superb...
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: Billedis on August 26, 2014, 11:47 AM
Very nice, looking forward to following this thread!  Bill
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: chelseaboy on August 26, 2014, 12:14 PM
Gutted  [eek]

Ive got a transit connect  [huh]
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on August 26, 2014, 02:41 PM
I just built the rolling table saw stand. Looks the same, 40" wide 28" depth, same wheels but no top. has about 16-1/4 " under the table saw shelf. Saw sets up about 1/8" above 8' workbench so if I need, I can use it as a feed table. Delta 13" thickness planer and Portercable Joiner fit under saw. Have some space beside saw where the Mikita hand plane and case fits.

Im building everything to fit in my 14' trailer. Realized the big trailer won't fit at to many jobs right now. Since I do not have a garage to work out of It is easy to roll out of the 14' trailer and into the Car hauler.

Was surprised at how much room I had cutting plywood and building inside of it. After the 8' workbench was finished, I measured between wall and bench.....If I build one for the other side I will have 30" in-between :) Not bad for a portable work shop 
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: VW MICK on August 26, 2014, 02:56 PM
Thats ridiculous  [smile]

My little shed/shop is half the size ..and I can't tow it lol

Nice one
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on August 26, 2014, 03:02 PM
Thats ridiculous  [smile]

My little shed/shop is half the size ..and I can't tow it lol

Nice one
[laughing] If I could have a Shed or work shop I would. Parking sucks once in a while lol If I take the big trailer to a court/circle I usually have to back out smh
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: wow on August 26, 2014, 04:02 PM
Now THAT's what I'm talking about! Nice choice. Are you gonna put heat or AC in there?

BTW, what do you pull it with?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on August 27, 2014, 08:05 AM
Now THAT's what I'm talking about! Nice choice. Are you gonna put heat or AC in there?

BTW, what do you pull it with?
I have a portable "Lil Buddy) Propane heater on a 20lb bottle. will heat that trailer up fast. I use it in a tree house when hunting or if I do a drywall patch and need the mud to dry quicker. Don't need AC but have a portable fan.

'06 Chevy Avalanche 1500

Thanks
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: Kev on August 28, 2014, 05:18 AM
Now THAT's what I'm talking about! Nice choice. Are you gonna put heat or AC in there?

BTW, what do you pull it with?

I was curious myself. Something like that here in Oz is uncommon. I'm guessing something north of an F250.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: wow on August 28, 2014, 05:52 AM
Now THAT's what I'm talking about! Nice choice. Are you gonna put heat or AC in there?

BTW, what do you pull it with?

I was curious myself. Something like that here in Oz is uncommon. I'm guessing something north of an F250.

He said '06 Chevy Avalanche 1500' which arguably equates to an F150. I guess it depends on how far and how fast you are trying to pull it?
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: #Tee on August 28, 2014, 06:15 AM
this is man shits [eek]
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on August 28, 2014, 07:47 AM
Now THAT's what I'm talking about! Nice choice. Are you gonna put heat or AC in there?

BTW, what do you pull it with?

I was curious myself. Something like that here in Oz is uncommon. I'm guessing something north of an F250.

He said '06 Chevy Avalanche 1500' which arguably equates to an F150. I guess it depends on how far and how fast you are trying to pull it?
Yeah its is like a F150. The chevy has a box frame chassis and a 5.3L engine that came with a factory towing package. The most it would need is a helper leaf spring in the rear to stiffen and take out some sag depending on how the trailer is loaded and balanced.

I thought about buying a Chevy/GMC 2500 truck or Hummer H2. Apparently the H2 has the best towing due to the hitch being right next to the rear axle and a 6.2L engine. The Hummer is all GMC made but gas millage sucks lol. Just wasn't looking forward to another insurance payment and would rather buy a corvette .
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on August 28, 2014, 08:03 AM
The old trailer.....2 years old lol It is easier to use this trailer in most cases but I can't really work in it cutting moulding. The large one will be for bad weather Rain, extreme sun (so I can see the laser on the Kapex and not get a head ache from brightness)  [attachimg=1][attachimg=2][attachimg=3][attachimg=4][attachimg=5][attachimg=6]
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: tjbnwi on August 28, 2014, 08:09 AM
Unless they're directly over a cross member, place 12" square x 1/8" thick steel plates under the bench wheels. I had mine punch through the floor due to the weight and bouncing.

Tom
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on August 28, 2014, 08:11 AM
Unless they're directly over a cross member, place 12" square x 1/8" thick steel plates under the bench wheels. I had mine punch through the floor due to the weight and bouncing.

Tom
Wow good to know. I never thought of that.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: tjbnwi on August 28, 2014, 08:16 AM
A lot of load in a small area.

I have to purchase a new trailer today, hopefully I can find an 8/6x18. I'd really like barn doors on this one, but.....

Tom
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on August 28, 2014, 07:21 PM
A lot of load in a small area.

I have to purchase a new trailer today, hopefully I can find an 8/6x18. I'd really like barn doors on this one, but.....

Tom
Any luck? What is your reason for preferring barn doors? I had an old 12' u-haul for years with the overhead roll up door and it kinda sucked loading and unloading anything with wheels.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: wow on August 28, 2014, 07:44 PM
A lot of load in a small area.

I have to purchase a new trailer today, hopefully I can find an 8/6x18. I'd really like barn doors on this one, but.....

Tom
Any luck? What is your reason for preferring barn doors? I had an old 12' u-haul for years with the overhead roll up door and it kinda sucked loading and unloading anything with wheels.

I can't speak for Tom, but my choice would also be barn doors at the rear - especially with the nose ramp. For years I did IT work and hosted the website for DressenTrailers.com, now DCT-USA.com. I've owned or 'borrowed' many different flavors.

Barn doors in the rear swing open fully and store out of the way against the sides of the trailer. You can QUICKLY open and close just one, which helps keep flying snow and cold out in winter. You can step in and out needing only a foot or two of clearance in the rear.

A ramp on the rear requires 8 feet or so EXTRA length, plus you can't 'step' up into the trailer quickly - you always have to drop the ramp completely and then 'walk' up into the trailer. PITA for a site trailer, IMHO.

Ramps are great if you are loading and unloading rolling loads frequently, but they're even WORSE than an OverHead door at being a nuisance to enter and exit quickly, preserve heat, etc.

But everyone has their own preferences. I just told you mine - YMMV.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: tjbnwi on August 28, 2014, 10:07 PM
A lot of load in a small area.

I have to purchase a new trailer today, hopefully I can find an 8/6x18. I'd really like barn doors on this one, but.....

Tom
Any luck? What is your reason for preferring barn doors? I had an old 12' u-haul for years with the overhead roll up door and it kinda sucked loading and unloading anything with wheels.

Yes------but no. I found one on the lot, a Rance 8/6x20 (aluminum with 5200 pound axles). Ramp door but I would have made it work. Went into the office to purchase it, they sold it Monday, being picked up tomorrow. They have 2 snowmobile 8/6x20's coming in, I'll look at one of those. I need it before the 8 week order lead time.

I have a ramp door 12'. I also have a set of aluminum ramps I can use with cargo doors.

Everything wow stated plus when loading with a forklift easier to get the load on the floor. From there a pallet jack to move the load.

Tom
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: tjbnwi on August 29, 2014, 11:44 PM
Ended up with a ramp door. Can't wait the 10 weeks for a special order. Ended up 100 miles east to pick it up. Rance all aluminum 8/6x20.

Tom

Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: Tinker on August 30, 2014, 06:20 AM
My concern with 20' trailer being towed with a Chevy 1500 wood be the possibility of loading too much weight forward of the trailer axles. You need to keep most of the weight over the trailer axles, not forward. The chevy will probably have little problem towing the load, but the problem comes with too much weight on the hitch.  Too much weight transferred off of the front axle of the truck.  Even with four wheel braking on the trailer, you will have problems with stopping and steering. I think you are in level country, not like here in Connecticut where the trailer would definitely present problems under improper load setup.

I have a Chevy 1500 with factory tow package.  My equipment trailer is a rebuilt from 800# empty to 2500# when I reinforced the frame and A-frame.  Added built on tool boxes all around.  added 7200# axles and heavier planking.  The deck is 1" shy of 12' with ramps raised.  I have a 1200# mower, 200#+/- spreader and 300#+/- slicer/seeder that I haul with sometimes as much as 800# of seed and fertilizer on the truck.  Four wheel brakes on the trailer and factory suspension on the truck.  Short wheelbase/short body on the truck.  Auto tranny and that truck will pull any hill at 25mph, most hills I can maintain 30mph without undo strain.  I could pull the load on I-84 at well above 50mph with the small V-8 engine.  BUT, I don't go the high speed roads with such a load.  That load needs a lot of space to stop  I do pay attention to keeping the weight over the trailer axles and the truck loaded so weight is even over length of truck bed.  If not, the steering gets a little touchy.

If you do run into problems, I will be glad to take the trailer off of your hands.  Just drop it off any time, day or night ::)
Tinker
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: festooltim on August 30, 2014, 07:41 AM
What you need is a 2500HD Duramax with a tuner. You could ripp the hitch right of on the trailer on take off if not carful. A steep hill and 10000 pounds behind you even slow you down. I had one once and man what a rush that thing could be. I could pull a 35' trailer thru the mountains set the cruise and it didn't slow down for nothing.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: Tinker on August 30, 2014, 10:32 AM
What you need is a 2500HD Duramax with a tuner. You could ripp the hitch right of on the trailer on take off if not carful. A steep hill and 10000 pounds behind you even slow you down. I had one once and man what a rush that thing could be. I could pull a 35' trailer thru the mountains set the cruise and it didn't slow down for nothing.

With DuraMax, the load would not be so inclined to let the load run away on down grades either.  Save some of the heating of brakes.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on August 30, 2014, 05:05 PM
What you need is a 2500HD Duramax with a tuner. You could ripp the hitch right of on the trailer on take off if not carful. A steep hill and 10000 pounds behind you even slow you down. I had one once and man what a rush that thing could be. I could pull a 35' trailer thru the mountains set the cruise and it didn't slow down for nothing.

With DuraMax, the load would not be so inclined to let the load run away on down grades either.  Save some of the heating of brakes.
Now I am looking at the 2500 HD. Does it ever end  lol
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: festooltim on August 30, 2014, 06:31 PM
No sadly it does not ever end. When you reach the top of the hill it only gives you a better view of the next hill. Now I'am depressed.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: paulhuse on August 30, 2014, 07:17 PM
Are those Stanley or another type of tote/divider under the Kapex (right side)?

I've purchased one of several brands/options lately but I just can't find something I like to keep all my random hardware sorted. I do use Viewtainers for my usual stock of screws, biscuits, etc.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: tjbnwi on August 31, 2014, 03:53 PM
What you need is a 2500HD Duramax with a tuner. You could ripp the hitch right of on the trailer on take off if not carful. A steep hill and 10000 pounds behind you even slow you down. I had one once and man what a rush that thing could be. I could pull a 35' trailer thru the mountains set the cruise and it didn't slow down for nothing.

With DuraMax, the load would not be so inclined to let the load run away on down grades either.  Save some of the heating of brakes.
Now I am looking at the 2500 HD. Does it ever end  lol

Ended for me when I bought my Excursion in 2000, 7.3PSD. 300k and still going strong.

Tom
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on September 02, 2014, 07:42 PM
Are those Stanley or another type of tote/divider under the Kapex (right side)?

I've purchased one of several brands/options lately but I just can't find something I like to keep all my random hardware sorted. I do use Viewtainers for my usual stock of screws, biscuits, etc.

They are the Dewalt locking storage containers. Much stronger than the Stanley. I use them for everything now, one for screws, one for Kreg, One for misc hardware etc. eliminated a few buckets of junk.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on September 21, 2014, 10:43 AM
Used the trailer on a few jobs so far. The last one was a new custom front door that I had to pick up at Lowes for a customer. It was nice to be able to get the door in the trailer and head to the job with everything. [attachimg=1][attachimg=2][attachimg=3][attachimg=4][attachimg=8][attachimg=5][attachimg=6][attachimg=7][attachimg=9]
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on September 21, 2014, 10:47 AM
and the finished door. I went back and filled trim nail holes, caulked and added vinyl trim strips around door. Just incase someone zooms in and is wondering if I left it like the last pic lol [attachimg=1][attachimg=2][attachimg=3][attachimg=4][attachimg=5]
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: overanalyze on September 21, 2014, 11:17 AM
Not dogging your work, but what a shame to cover up that nice front door with an ugly storm door.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: Curt Boyer on September 21, 2014, 11:59 AM
Nice work! Looks like the homeowner is a Eagles fan!
Cheers
Curt
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on September 21, 2014, 04:21 PM
Not dogging your work, but what a shame to cover up that nice front door with an ugly storm door.
Oh I agree. The home owner wanted it. I would have went with a white storm door to help it pop.
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: JLB builders LLC on September 21, 2014, 04:22 PM
Thanks. Yeah they are from Pa many moons ago. I think she is in her 70's
Title: Re: New Trailer Shop Build
Post by: AndyG on April 14, 2015, 12:30 AM
Love a good trailer set up