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Offline Joelm

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New 12'X19' shop
« on: January 21, 2021, 04:42 PM »
I thought I'd share my new shop progress to get some ideas for a small 1 car garage woodshop.

To start, I had a 1 car garage shop in my previous house. I had only started woodworking about 2 years before moving so it was never set up as a shop, mostly just cobbled together pegboards and makeshift shelves. I had to share it with the electrical equipment for the house, solar panels and Tesla Powerwalls. We also stored ramdom junk in it. So no mater what I did it always felt cramped.
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We moved to a new house/country this summer and it also had a 1 car garage. However we were able to get rid of a lot of junk and the new house has a ton more storage thanks to a large basement. So, the garage is all mine! We thought I'd have to park the car in the garage in the winter so I had to make sure everything would fit against a wall. That requirement changed after a recall on my car came out with a recommendation NOT to park it inside. So the only other items I have to share space with is a garbage and compost bin and a 3 wheel cargo bike. I'm hoping to make a bike shed in the backyard this summer and get the bike out of there.

The new shop size is a smallish 12'X19' space. Rough concrete floors, new garage door with windows and insulated/finished walls.

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The very first thing I did was buy 8 shop LED lights and mount them to the ceiling. This is a huge difference right away.

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Since my last shop had so much clutter that I felt stuck with, I decided I wanted to try out some french cleats. As we are in a pandemic and most building supplies were in short supply I ended up picking up 12 sheets of 12mm BB plywood to cover my walls and 4 sheets of 3/4 BB plywood for the cleats themselves. Even though the shop is insulated and had drywall I like the look of wood everywhere I could manage.

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I really was liking how the plywood walls were looking but there were two issues I was running into. The first was that my 4'x8' sheets left me with about 1' of bare wall at the ceiling. The other issue was the echo in the workshop was really pronounced. My wife suggested I try out some sound dampening foam to reduce the echo. As luck would have it a 12X12" pyramid sheet of foam fit the space perfectly. It also greatly reduced the echo. Win win!

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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2021, 04:48 PM »

I really was liking how the plywood walls were looking but there were two issues I was running into. The first was that my 4'x8' sheets left me with about 1' of bare wall at the ceiling. The other issue was the echo in the workshop was really pronounced. My wife suggested I try out some sound dampening foam to reduce the echo. As luck would have it a 12X12" pyramid sheet of foam fit the space perfectly. It also greatly reduced the echo. Win win!

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How about installing a large fluffy dog in the shop, like a Newfoundland, should absorb sound.

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2021, 04:58 PM »
Omg yes!
We definitely want to get a dog soon.  We had a wonderfully lazy greyhound that passed away a few years ago. We miss having a dog for sure.
Seems like a bad time to get one though. All the shelters are empty and wait time for puppies are half a year at least.
I'm also going to gave to fight my wife for who gets the dog. She wants it in her home office and I want it in the shop :)

Offline hdv

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2021, 05:01 PM »
Ha! My Leonberger was big enough to fill the space, but I very much doubt it would have gotten more quiet in there with him in it...   [big grin]

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2021, 05:02 PM »
Our old girl.
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We are learning towards a doodle of some kind. One thing about greyhounds that wasn't great was their skin was so THIN! She'd regularly be at the vet getting stitches after a stick in the backyard tore her skin.
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Offline hdv

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2021, 05:03 PM »
Enjoying a nice cozy bed.  [smile]

Online Cheese

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2021, 05:33 PM »
In your previous French cleat post, I was going to ask about the Sonex sound panels at the top of the wall...now I know the answer.  [smile]

Offline mike_aa

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2021, 05:48 PM »
@Joelm  Thanks very much for starting this thread!  It's may seem intrusive, but always informative and an inspiration when someone posts a thread like this.  The table you posted in your other thread was really great, but the views of your shop also generated a number of questions and this will help answer them!

Mike A.

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2021, 05:56 PM »
Anyway, back to the workshop.

I wanted to pick up a tablesaw to do the long rip cuts for the cleats themselves. I wanted them cut along the whole 8' length of ply as I think the opposing grain directions of the wall and cleats look nice. Only problem was at the time I thought I'd be parking my car in the garage this winter during ice storms. I was determined to get a SawStop but just had to figure out what would fit. I laid out tape on the floor to see what the actual footprint would be and determined the only size that made sense at the time was the jobsite saw.
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I started ripping down wide strips of plywood using my mft3 and extension table. After the very first cut the offcut of ply (which was most of the 4x8) fell onto the floor and dinged up the corner pretty good. I looked around town and found the wood dealer I bought the BB from had some STM's in stock. I called them up and they delivered it to my door about an hour later! This table works great! I love using it.
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After I had all my strips cut I unpacked and plugged in my tablesaw for the first time (also my first time at a tablesaw). I cut the strips in half along the length at a 45degree angle to make my cleats.
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I did not want to run cleats all the way down the wall to the floor in case I decide to someday build cabinets. I picked and arbitrary height from the floor, bought a laser level and started screwing the cleats into the studs with 3" woodscrews. I used 2 scraps of 2x4 as spacers so that the cleats are evenly spaced. On my first wall I tried to get fancy and offset the ends of the cleats from each other so you did not see a pattern. After that took way too long I said forget it for the second wall and just put them in as fast as I could.
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I had 1 sheet of 1/2 plywood left over from my original purchase. I used up almost all of it building custom holders and shelves for my tools.
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So far I'm really happy with the cleat wall and decided it was time to work on projects before making any more shelves. The only thing that has fallen was my ceramic space heater. The cleat itself stayed but the heater popped off of the screws it was hanging from. The whole thing smashed on the floor and shattered. I bought a new heater and just made a small shelf for it.

I left a few spaces on the cleat walls. These are where I will eventually get outlets installed. Right now everything in the garage runs off of 1 15amp circuit. Even the lights and garage door. Since we are in lockdown here I'm going to wait until spring to get an electrician in to do the work. For now I'm running an extension cord under the garage door to an exterior plug.

I also want to do something with the concrete floors since I'm no longer planning on parking a car in the garage. It can get cold here in the winter so I don't think epoxy will be sufficient. Maybe this summer I'll install some dricore and then some flooring on top of it. That is TBD.
 


Offline gunnyr

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2021, 07:27 PM »
I've found our Golden Doodle Molly does an excellent job keeping the floor tidy but not so much in the sound deadening area.  IsoTunes work excel at that task! 

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Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2021, 09:11 PM »
Finally I'll show some of the tool holders in detail and answer some questions from my other table thread. I've tried uploading a big reply a few times now but the forum won't let me, so I'll split my last post up into several replies.

Cheese, you asked about the air filter being on cleats. I was worried about this too. When I first attached the cleats I put the air filter on the lowest row of cleats and shoved my garbage bins right under just in case something gave away. I left it overnight and in the morning nothing was on the floor so I figured I was safe to put it wherever.
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Other heavy things I've attached to cleats include my new Ridgid sander and shop fan. Both are holding up just fine.
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Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2021, 09:14 PM »
I've made tool holders for my battery collection, push sticks and block, shop safety equipment, jigs, rulers and am in the middle of making a sandpaper holder. I also picked up 4 wall control pegboards that are on cleats as well.
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Here is the back of the shop with my dust collector and cargo bike. I'm currently stacking my sheet goods and lumber behind the bike. Not convenient to get to but it is out of the way.
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I really like how easily I can alter my shop layout with cleats. I have a bunch of systainers on carts that I also roll around. I'm not sure what I'll do with those. I'd maybe make some sys-az drawers but I don't want to get locked down to a specific shop layout yet. Here is an example of how flexible this layout is. I can get a nice spray station in a few minutes for finishing.
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Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2021, 09:15 PM »
The next big shop project for me is a hand tool workbench. I bought some hand planes and hand saws for my last project and the mft3 was way to wobbly.
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I just finished reading the anarchist workbench and will be coming up with some plans in the near future. I also gave up my large 60"x30" router table from my old shop. I still have the insert, router and incra fence but have not decided if I want another router table or what kind I would build/buy. I'm just using my OF1010 in the meantime. I'd also like to one day soon get a drill press and bandsaw. Maybe once I get those I can settle on a layout I like.

Thanks for reading this thread. I'm still learning a ton from everyone here everyday and thought someone might enjoy my thought process in setting up a small woodshop. If anyone has ideas for me, please let me know.


Offline jobsworth

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2021, 09:51 PM »
wow yer new shop is coming slong great please keep posting I need ideas for mines

Offline RustE

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2021, 11:11 PM »
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I really like how easily I can alter my shop layout with cleats.
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Is there a tutorial you liked for the cleat layout?
Having the pegboard on the cleats is a nice touch.

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2021, 11:03 AM »
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I really like how easily I can alter my shop layout with cleats.
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Is there a tutorial you liked for the cleat layout?
Having the pegboard on the cleats is a nice touch.

I watched a lot of youtube videos on cleats. However once you get started it is pretty straight forward.

I ended up with cleats that are 3 1/4" tall. I used a 2x4 as my spacer. So starting from the top of the plywood wall I measured down 3 1/4" for a cleat and then 3 1/2" for the spacer. I kept measuring and marking all the way down the wall until I found the height where I wanted to start the cleats. From that starting mark, I used a laser level and screwed my cleat to the wall so that it was level. I then went up the wall with my 2x4 spacer and screwed the next cleat to the wall. I found the laser level was really helpful with keeping my screw pattern nice and even along each stud.

I really hated the pegs that you get with a standard pegboard. They were always coming off when I picked up a tool. The last straw was when I grabbed a hammer and the peg and the hammer both came off the wall and made a nice dent on one of my table legs. I've now replaced all the standard pegs with wall control pegs. These are slotted and do not come out easily.

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2021, 11:04 AM »
wow yer new shop is coming slong great please keep posting I need ideas for mines

Thanks! I'm all out of good ideas so I'm watching your shop build thread for my shop ;)

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2021, 11:07 AM »
I've found our Golden Doodle Molly does an excellent job keeping the floor tidy but not so much in the sound deadening area.  IsoTunes work excel at that task! 

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What a great shot dog! I've got isotunes but prefer just using regular earmuffs and blasting tunes with a bluetooth speaker. I find the isotunes earbuds always come out of my ears so I'm constantly fiddling with them instead of concentrating.

I'm totally ok if people want to post more shop dog pics here!

Offline RustE

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2021, 11:20 AM »
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I really hated the pegs that you get with a standard pegboard. They were always coming off when I picked up a tool. The last straw was when I grabbed a hammer and the peg and the hammer both came off the wall and made a nice dent on one of my table legs. I've now replaced all the standard pegs with wall control pegs. These are slotted and do not come out easily.

Most of the ‘standard’ pegboard hooks I use now are from Talon:
https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/hooks/tool/50353-talon-hook-sets

Looks like there are some different tool holders that only come with the Wall Control system.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2021, 12:20 PM »
You can omit the lower cleat from the fan mount.
It’s lifting the upper cleat off the rail.

If worried about the fan climbing off the rail when spinning you can stick a long wedge above the cleat.

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2021, 04:36 PM »
You can omit the lower cleat from the fan mount.
It’s lifting the upper cleat off the rail.

If worried about the fan climbing off the rail when spinning you can stick a long wedge above the cleat.

Thanks Michael, good eye! Even though I used spacers for all the cleats, some are not perfectly spaced. I just moved it down one space and the top cleat now bears all the weight. I'll see if I need a spacer when it warms up (it is -15C today and my shop is only 6C, so don't want to turn the fan on).

Here is my latest tool holder. Just a simple shelf for my Festool sandpaper boxes. It has all been living in a tupperware box that I've been tripping over for months. Now it is nice and neat and out from under foot. I can't wait to use up the rigid 3M sanding sponges I've got there and get some more Festool sponges. The Festool ones hold up way longer! I guess you get what you pay for.


Offline nicholam77

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2021, 12:31 PM »
Wow, looking awesome! I too, like the look of the birch walls. Even though they are both 1-car's your new space seems much more functional and organized. The tool holders are great, too. Keep sharing!

 [big grin]

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2021, 12:10 AM »
Thanks nicholam77, will do.

Little update, I made a charger holder. Second attempt. First one did not go so well with fancy mitered cleats. I ripped them off and just put screws into the holder itself. I've got room for one more charger. Not sure if I'll put another one I already own or maybe keep it open in case I get a Milwaukee charger at some point.
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I've decided that my workshop is just too darn chilly in the winter. This morning it was about 6C (42F) and the concrete floors just drain the warmth in the room. My next big shop update is to install new flooring! My floor has a slight slope out to the garage door but I'm not worried about making it level. There are just a few areas that dip but it isn't too bad. I've also noticed one long crack going across the floor but it doesn't look like it has gotten worse. I think the plan is to buy some insulated Dricore and lay it down on the concrete. Once that's done I'll at some point put down some plywood sheets. Maybe in the spring when we aren't in lockdown I'll pick out a flooring to go on top. I think a minimum of insulated Dricore should really help. I'm not sure what to do about the concrete that goes up the wall bellow the drywall and plywood walls. Maybe I'll glue some rigid insulation then cover it with more ply. Any suggestions?
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Offline RustE

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New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2021, 01:34 PM »
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I'm not sure what to do about the concrete that goes up the wall bellow the drywall and plywood walls. Maybe I'll glue some rigid insulation then cover it with more ply. Any suggestions?

Run some of the DriCore insulated panels through a table saw and glue them to the concrete?  PL and others make foam-specific adhesives.

Offline JD2720

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2021, 02:48 PM »
We have a finished walk out basement. The concrete floor would get very cold in the winter. The floor had a heavy carpet & pad, but that did not help with the cold. About 11 years we remodeled the basement. I put down 6 mill visqueen over the concrete. Then laid 1" styrofoam over the plastic & then laid laminate floor over the styrofoam. It made the basement very comfortable. I would have liked to used thicker styrofoam, but I had 2 exterior doors that limited the thickness of the foam that I could use.

I would think that the same process would work on your shop floor.

   

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2021, 10:55 AM »
Thanks guys. I would like to do the vapor barrier and rigid foam however I don't think it would be as easy as the dricore.
I have all my tools and machines on wheels so I can work on one section of the floor at a time.  If I went with large sheets I'd have a hard time packing everything to one side of the shop and then be stuck trying to do a laminate or lay down large sheets of osb before moving things back. The floors are also a bit uneven and I doubt I could cleanly level it with a full garage and outside temps at -20C.
Oddly home depot will deliver all my dricore for free but all the other stuff would cost $70 to deliver.
When I originally took the temperature of my garage my thermostat was at eye level. Yesterday I placed it on the floor and the temperature dropped to 1C... ouch no wonder my feet are getting cold. I'll keep this thread posted as to what I end up doing.

Offline RustE

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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2021, 02:15 PM »
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The floors are also a bit uneven and I doubt I could cleanly level it with a full garage and outside temps at -20C.
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Oddly home depot will deliver all my dricore for free but all the other stuff would cost $70 to deliver.
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You would probably have to scribe 2x4’s to the floor, cut, and fasten with Tapcon screws. At that point, the more appealing option is DriCore panels with some of their shims to true-up low spots.

The size of DriCore panels makes them easier to ship through FedEx or UPS. Whereas the other materials need to be loaded and unloaded on a truck.

Not sure what plywood costs in Canada right now either. Around me, a piece of subfloor plywood is going for $40-$50 per sheet and 1/2” foam board is $13 per sheet. An equivalent amount (by size) of DriCore R+ would be $64.
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Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2021, 10:29 PM »
Thanks for the sanity check RustE.

I decided to get started today with cleaning up half of the shop.
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I then thought, I had better check just how uneven the floor is before I go and buy some expensive flooring material. I got out my laser level and put it against the back wall facing the garage door. Because the laser can't be right down on the ground I got out my combination square and set the stock of the square to the height of the laser.
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The laser at the garage door was at the same height.
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I thought I would then walk the length of the shop and periodically check how high or low the laser was compared to the squares stock.
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Wow! some areas were well over an inch! I can't use Dricore on that! Or I at least need to level it out with leveling compound... which is messy and will it even cure if the concrete floor is 1C??? ARGH! I was so mad! I went inside all jaw clenched and stomped around for a bit. Then after a few minutes I calmed down and thought about it. The floor doesn't need to be level the whole length, I just need it to be level to itself over a certain distance. I went back to the shop and found one of my long 8' cleats that I could use as a straight edge.
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What do you know, none of the gaps are larger than 1/8" relative to the actual floor. Phew! I can go ahead with my order and try to unclench my jaw muscles.

My wife took a look and made the nice suggestion of not leaving the dricore osb as the final floor. She wants me to use cork. After looking into I'm thinking that's a great idea. I'll post with updates as I progress.

Oh and I did have time for a small tool holder for my saws.
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2021, 10:42 PM »
Good ideas and great work.

You might want to take a look at rubber flooring as well. Sometimes called horse stall mats or stall mats. It comes in different thicknesses and either tiles or rolls. It's a nice softer surface and is designed to give the horses some cushion as well as to keep them off a slippery concrete stall floor. You can get them online but most farm supply stores either have them or can order them for you.

Here's a Canadian link to give you an idea of what they look like.

https://perfectsurfaces.ca/shop/longhorn-animal-agricultural-surfaces/equestrian/

Ron

Offline Joelm

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Re: New 12'X19' shop
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2021, 09:41 PM »
Here is my update for the week. I bought just under half of the Dricore panels I would for the project. I did this because I could only fit about half in my hatchback with the kids car seats in the back.
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Yesterday I spent most of my shop time (usually just an hour after the kids are done school) removing the old stairs to my garage and laying out the first strip of Dricore. Looks like my next project will be making new stairs as the wood split apart.
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Here we are this evening. I've got just over 3 rows done and I've used up all 32 tiles I bought. Tomorrow I'll empty out the kids car seats in the back and go get the rest. This floor is so uneven that I have already gone through a few packs of shims.
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Here are the samples of cork flooring from a local floor shop. I'm leaning towards the brown, second from top left. I think it would be a nice contrast to the white ceiling and bright birch plywood walls.
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