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Offline Crazyraceguy

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More of the Homag equipment
« on: April 16, 2021, 03:06 PM »
From the interest in the pics of the beam saw topic, I took a few more pics around the shop.
These show the main cabinet parts "production" CNC. This is the one connected to the storage system. It has infeed rollers where the crane places the sheet and an outfeed belt that removes the cut parts at the end of the cycle. It takes the full sheet handling totally out of the mix. The operator only has to handle the finished parts. They get labeled and sorted for the edgebander and dowel inserter.
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2021, 03:27 PM »
The other CNC sits across the aisle, outside the range of the crane. It gets manually loaded. It cuts the more odd parts, like the plywood parts for reception desks and countertop parts with shapes other than simple rectangles.
This edgebander now has an auto-return feature, which is very handy. The dowel inserter is right there next to it for the parts needing that before going to assembly.
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Offline fuzzy logic

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2021, 04:10 PM »
Thanks for posting.  Fascinating & interesting.  Couple of questions.

Wondering how dust collection is managed? 
Appreciate that showing complete ignorance! 
One giant centralised point, or, ones local to different operations?

In the same vein: noticed some saw-dust on floors - computer controlled robot floor-sweeper, or, does a 'charlady' come in at end of day / early in morning?  It's not squeaky clean as some workshops shown by certain posters...

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Offline MaineShop

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2021, 06:04 PM »
That looks amazingly clean compared to the commercial shop I work in.

Offline Alex

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2021, 01:54 AM »
I always like these pictures, I am very fond of all the machines people can make.

Seeing all the blue tubes for the pneumatics, any Festo parts in there? Used to be the same company as Festool.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2021, 07:37 AM »
Thanks for posting.  Fascinating & interesting.  Couple of questions.

Wondering how dust collection is managed? 
Appreciate that showing complete ignorance! 
One giant centralised point, or, ones local to different operations?

In the same vein: noticed some saw-dust on floors - computer controlled robot floor-sweeper, or, does a 'charlady' come in at end of day / early in morning?  It's not squeaky clean as some workshops shown by certain posters...

Richard (UK)

Actually there is a huge central dust collection unit outside.  I will take a pic of it today.
It is usually very clean, the system draws very well and has the capability to self adjust as the flow changes. In the winter the filtered air is returned to the building to keep from blowing all of the heat outside. This is of course reversible in warmer weather. A few weeks ago when it warmed up, we switched it to the outside. A recent cold snap forced us to switch it back to the inside.
Apparently either something went through and tore a hole in a bag, or one of them has come loose.
We just changed one entire cell of bags a week ago, so I would assume the latter.
There are 4 separate cells of bags with 50 in each one. Someone was going out after lunch to find out what was going on, but I was gone for the day right after the pics.
There are no local collectors any more. In the old facility we had a hybrid solution. It was a central unit about half the size of this one, 2 smaller (10 bag) local units and I had a little 110v Shop Fox with a foot pedal switch at my mitersaw.
The central unit is far easier to deal with. There are no bags or canisters to dump by hand. It is all done outside with 2 dedicated containers that get hauled by a dumpster company.
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2021, 07:54 AM »
I always like these pictures, I am very fond of all the machines people can make.

Seeing all the blue tubes for the pneumatics, any Festo parts in there? Used to be the same company as Festool.
It all from Rapid Air. It is connected to a dual unit screw style system. Separate compressors are computer connected and both feed into the same storage tank. They run individually and alternate weekly, cutting the run time on each. If a huge surge of need occurs, the second one can come on and help. This makes it so that maintenance can be done during normal working hours on the one which is off that week. There is also a 3rd emergency unit that is not part of this computerized set-up.

No Festo stuff anywhere. The only thing I have ever seen with that logo were the original clamping elements that I had for my MFT style table. They were 5 or 6 years old, maybe more. The new ones I got in the summer of '19 have the full Festool printed on them.
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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2021, 07:59 AM »
That looks amazingly clean compared to the commercial shop I work in.

Everybody gets 15 minutes at the end of each day to clean up their particular area. Then on Fridays, we shut down 30 minutes early and clean up the shared areas, like around the table saws, mitersaw stations, etc. We also have several dump bins that are taken outside with the forklift to the big dumpster at that time.
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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2021, 09:56 AM »
There are no bags or canisters to dump by hand. It is all done outside with 2 dedicated containers that get hauled by a dumpster company.

I wonder where all that sawdust eventually goes?

Offline Alex

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2021, 12:56 PM »
There are no bags or canisters to dump by hand. It is all done outside with 2 dedicated containers that get hauled by a dumpster company.

I wonder where all that sawdust eventually goes?

I always thought they used that to recycle into things like MDF and particle board.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2021, 05:19 PM »
The dust collector.  4 chambers, the splitter for the dust boxes, and the big red box is the spark arrestor. There are sensors in the intake tube that trip a door inside that box to keep any kind of fire from reaching the bag house. This also sets off a water sprayers inside the tubes too.
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2021, 05:40 PM »
There are no bags or canisters to dump by hand. It is all done outside with 2 dedicated containers that get hauled by a dumpster company.

I wonder where all that sawdust eventually goes?

Cheese, I honestly don't know? At one time, years ago, we did have a local guy come in and pick up some of the smaller plastic bags of dust. He used it as an absorbant on the floors in an auto shop. He would take 3-4 bags each time, but it was still only a small part of it
It is not guaranteed to be all "wood" or wood byproducts. There is a percentage that is solid surface dust and other plastics too. The V-grooving machine puts out quite a bit. The normal hand routing chips generally hit the floor and get swept up, but that goes into an internal dump box. We do not have floor sweep pick up points anymore. There were several of them in the old shop, but they were problematic. Even though there were magnets in the sweep boxes, screws and staples would get into the lines/bags. Occasionally this would cause a leak from a hole in a bag. The V-groove machine would occasionally throw a corner chunk through the lines too. The bags didn't take that well.
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2021, 05:45 PM »
Case clamps. This is how doweled cabinets are pressed together. More Homag
There is also a dedicated press for drawer boxes.
It's a bit dark in the background because it was Saturday and I was the only one in the shop. The lights are motion sensitive, so it's only lighted were you are moving.
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Offline squall_line

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2021, 08:04 PM »
raceguy-

You mentioned that your shop had a fire a few years back and you started from scratch?  Everything definitely looks fresh and new (especially the concrete outside).

It sucks to lose everything and have to start over, but I would imagine it's a good opportunity to clean out accumulated bad habits and kludges and do things right from the get-go.  Having an understanding of how the shop flows best after 10-20-30 years of operation is certainly helpful in that regard, too.

Offline Vondawg

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2021, 08:09 AM »
Really am enjoying all you’ve shared with us...coming from a one man operation I find this fascinating...thanks!
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2021, 09:58 AM »
raceguy-

You mentioned that your shop had a fire a few years back and you started from scratch?  Everything definitely looks fresh and new (especially the concrete outside).

It sucks to lose everything and have to start over, but I would imagine it's a good opportunity to clean out accumulated bad habits and kludges and do things right from the get-go.  Having an understanding of how the shop flows best after 10-20-30 years of operation is certainly helpful in that regard, too.

Yes, the entire shop was destroyed by a fire in August of '19. We were already in the planning stages of moving, with this new building already under construction. The outer walls, roof and concrete floor were in place, but that was it. The original plan was to upgrade much of what we already had, but some of it was supposed to move with us.
The storage system, beam saw and auto-feed CNC were already in the works. The "second" CNC was supposed to have been the "old one" from the previous shop. The outdoor dust collector was supposed to be moved too. It was a little smaller, but would have worked and was only about 2 years old. The edgebander and dowel inserter were to move also, along with the Sawstops and vertical panel saw.  I think the only other planned major upgrade was the case clamps. The old ones had individual pneumatic press heads, rather than the far more automatic beam style presses.
This gave us the opportunity to buy everything  in a massive bulk purchase, at matching and integrated. Although it looks great (now) and it all works together well, it was a devastating loss at the same time, not only for the company as a whole, but all of us as employees.
We were fortunate in the fact that the building was already in the works, but it would be 5 months before we could move into it. Of course there were losses to finished products too and contracts to honor, so we couldn't wait for that to happen.  We moved into a temporary facility after a couple of weeks and started from scratch. This is "sort of" why we have such a nice secondary CNC machine. Our older machine was to have been the secondary. That machine was the one that was purchased to go into the temporary building. It was just a warehouse space, totally unequipped.
As employees, we lost everything too, so literally from scratch. After the usual home center stuff like the big black tool box and Makita drill, impact driver and typical hand tools, the work to rebuild infrastructure started. Of course the company bought a bunch of the basics too, the Sawstops, the Laguna slider saw (horizontal panel saw) and a handful of small point of use dust collectors, to get things going.
My initial outlay for my Festool equipment and the Bessey clamps was over 10k. That's how I really got started with the TS55. I built my cutting station with Peter Parfit's system. I had an interest in it before, but didn't have the space in the old place, it was very cramped. The tracksaw system helped me a ton by taking the need for the panel saw out of the equation. That saw was very busy in the first few weeks cutting cabinet parts until we could get a CNC up and running. I did run it initially with a cheap shop vac that the company bought, while planning my next purchases. Some of the routers and the Dewalt SCMS were about it until the new space. After the move and accessing my available space, I filled in the gaps that improve efficiency, but aren't actually required. I could do pretty much everything while still in the temp space, but it's so much nicer fully fleshed out.
All in all, yes it's great to have all of that matching brand new stuff, but was a bit of a learning curve with it too, and it didn't all show up at once either, so working it in and adapting was a challenge.
Now, we are about 16 months into the new place, probably about a year with everything in place and fully integrated.
The "law of unintended consequences" only brought up one thing. The beauty of space also brings distance to the forefront. The building is 200' wide and 300' long, with the offices, break room, etc. taking about 40' from one end. That leaves 200x250 of wide open shop. This spreads things out to the point of reducing noise, but it also means everything is further away. The areas that work together are clustered as best as possible, but it's a long way for me to get to the beamsaw or the cnc. Fortunately, I don't have to do it often. The excessiveness of my personal tools/equipment means that I really don't have to leave my area often. Once I get the ribs and top/bottom plates of a big reception desk assembled I go cut the panels or send a cutlist to the main guy in that area. After that point, I'm good for hours, sometimes days on large units.
That's probably way more than you wanted to know, but other than the people who lived through it and already know the story, it's not really interesting to the average person.
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Offline imdking

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2021, 08:46 PM »
Dad to hear the story of loss of everything to the fire. Sorry to hear that. I can imagine the uncertainty of the future stressing everyone even after the initial shock subsided.

Hopefully your personal tools were replaced by the company, or through insurance.
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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2021, 11:26 PM »
So what do you do for milltech?


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Offline squall_line

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2021, 11:40 PM »
That's probably way more than you wanted to know, but other than the people who lived through it and already know the story, it's not really interesting to the average person.

I've been through a fire in my home and I've known others who have had fire losses; however much you were willing to share is exactly how much I wanted to know.

And I also find it interesting as I don't consider myself the average person, but I've been accused of having delusions of grandeur before, so my self-opinion should be taken with a doctor-approved dose of salt.

Thank you for sharing your story.

Offline Peter Kelly

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2021, 10:33 AM »
Interesting workflow. I've only ever seen pod & rail machines parked next to a beam saw, never a flat-table router let alone two of them. How's the company's relationship with Stiles?

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: More of the Homag equipment
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2021, 07:44 PM »
Interesting workflow. I've only ever seen pod & rail machines parked next to a beam saw, never a flat-table router let alone two of them. How's the company's relationship with Stiles?
The beam saw and the CNC router are close together because of the storage system/crane. They are both delivery points for it. The other CNC is across an aisle, about 50 feet away and not served by the crane system. It has to be loaded manually.
The "main" CNC machine is the one that produces cabinet parts. It has a self loading roller system and a out-feed belt for the finished parts. It can be working on the next sheet while the parts are being labeled/sorted for the edgebander.
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