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Offline ChuckS

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Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2019, 04:49 PM »
Thanks! That's a keeper! :)
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Offline George Oliver

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2019, 07:30 PM »
Great top comment on YT:

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So. What do you build in your shop?

My shop.

His bandsaw is something else!

Offline Gone

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2019, 08:07 AM »
Great top comment on YT:

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So. What do you build in your shop?

My shop.

His bandsaw is something else!

Looks like he is a student of Matthais Wandell.


Offline jobsworth

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2019, 11:38 AM »
Wow that kid is awesome and very talented. Not to mention he has to much time on his hands .

darn kids  [big grin]

Offline Svar

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2019, 03:37 PM »
Not to mention he has to much time on his hands.
Exactly.
I only build shop stuff if: 1) functionality I need is not available commercially, 2) home made is considerably cheaper, 3) home made is considerably better.
I admire the creativity, but would not waste my time making bunch of small hardware boxes.

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2019, 04:43 PM »
Good Lord.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2019, 05:20 PM »
"I admire the creativity, but would not waste my time making bunch of small hardware boxes."

Agree. The time I have left is too precious to spend on something like this. When your 20 or 30 no biggie, you think you have all the time in the World. But when you're well over 60 times a wasting.

If I need them I make egg crate style drawer dividers from 1/4" SuperPly or MDF which are quick but not individually removable. I don't use them for storing fasteners so not the same application as Jeremy. I like his quick method of making box joints though.
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Offline ChuckS

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2019, 06:49 PM »
Waste of time is a perspective thing. No one has yet commented on the time he "wastes" in shooting and editing his videos. And I'm sure some people wonder why we woodworkers waste our time producing our own pieces.

I also used to frown when I saw photos of shops fitted with fine furniture quality cabinets...until I realized shop builds mattered to those guys, who might not even want to spend the same amount of time on making household objects. I have mounted two Krenov-style cabinets (pricey offset-hinges) in my shop for my tools; every time I work on a new project, they remind me I should strive to produce comparable results.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2019, 06:53 PM by ChuckM »

Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2019, 08:37 PM »
Waste of time is a perspective thing. No one has yet commented on the time he "wastes" in shooting and editing his videos. And I'm sure some people wonder why we woodworkers waste our time producing our own pieces.

I also used to frown when I saw photos of shops fitted with fine furniture quality cabinets...until I realized shop builds mattered to those guys, who might not even want to spend the same amount of time on making household objects. I have mounted two Krenov-style cabinets (pricey offset-hinges) in my shop for my tools; every time I work on a new project, they remind me I should strive to produce comparable results.
This. We all have different priorities. This was clearly important to him so have at it and enjoy the process and the end result. Who doesn't have some weird thing they want perfect? We all have shops with OCD obsessed plastic cases that stack and lock together.....

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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2019, 10:23 PM »
Waste of time is a perspective thing. No one has yet commented on the time he "wastes" in shooting and editing his videos. And I'm sure some people wonder why we woodworkers waste our time producing our own pieces.

I also used to frown when I saw photos of shops fitted with fine furniture quality cabinets...until I realized shop builds mattered to those guys, who might not even want to spend the same amount of time on making household objects. I have mounted two Krenov-style cabinets (pricey offset-hinges) in my shop for my tools; every time I work on a new project, they remind me I should strive to produce comparable results.

I understand. All I said was for me it was not worth my time to build them. And I already have a storage system for fasteners and don't plan to change it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2019, 11:13 PM »
Well, I guess that’s the difference in being 20/30 something and being 70 something...

Time’s definitely on your side. My favorite response...Good Lord.  [big grin]

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2019, 01:57 AM »
I admire the creativity, but would not waste my time making bunch of small hardware boxes.

Add up the price Festool charges for those cubbies, multiple it by 4,000 because that's how many he made, and you might end up with a pretty big dollar figure... Just sayin'.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2019, 05:56 AM »
I admire the creativity, but would not waste my time making bunch of small hardware boxes.
Add up the price Festool charges for those cubbies, multiple it by 4,000 because that's how many he made, and you might end up with a pretty big dollar figure... Just sayin'.
Then add retail price of plywood and your time and multiply ... You will not outsmart economy of scale in your shop.
There is a whole industry of small parts organizers because very trade and manufacturing uses them. Drawers, cabinets, wall mounted, portable, plastic, metal, every imaginable size, you name it.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2019, 06:06 AM by Svar »

Offline RKA

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2019, 07:47 AM »
It’s a youtube world.  Without youtube he may not have bothered.  There is a whole world of people who will watch it in spite of how they feel about the project (as long as the production quality is good, people will watch a video on tying shoes).  I would gamble nearly nobody watched and then started building.  A few might have learned a few nuggets and filed that away for their own projects someday.  And maybe a few chatted on a forum somewhere...sending a few more to the youtube engine.
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Offline Koamolly

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2019, 08:28 AM »
I was wondering how he made those repeatable cuts moving his fence so much without being off a bit.  He made his own fence.




Offline ChuckS

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2019, 09:48 AM »
Snip.
I would gamble nearly nobody watched and then started building.

Such observation is spot on for the majority of what can be found out there. Exceptions are jigs or hacks that are easy to implement.

As for the hardware organizers, a quicker or simpler solution is to close the drawer nicely, or put a foam material with cut-outs on the drawer bottom to hold the containers.

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2019, 10:13 AM »
As for the hardware organizers, a quicker or simpler solution is
... a non slip liner.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2019, 11:33 PM »
... a non slip liner.

Or just being kind to the drawer and closing it nicely. Everything in life doesn't need to replicate a ride on a "tilt-a-whirl".

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2019, 12:25 AM »
Material and time he might just be cheaper making out of actual lego.

Svar summed things up well in his 2 post.    You are not likely to save an money, manufacturing is a true marvel you can't win against.

Unless you want something that doesn't exist, or you just enjoy doing it, it's not going to be "worth" it.  Far as nice stuff in a shop, well, there is always the practice factor.  I try to have projects that are lesser seen, or lower importance to work out skills and such on first. Building a garage full of cabinets is probably a good idea over having the first go be ones kitchen.

At the same time, this is where it gets really annoying when something cheap and simple isn't out there, or as is often the case, not available in this country, or cost several times more than it would in other places.  This is where things get very frustrating, what you want exist, and you would buy it. But due to things out of ones control you can't have it at a normal price or at all. This can lead to making stuff.  This is very common with container stuff in the US. Very few metric based stuff exist, and suppliers either don't ship to the US or charge a fortune. So now you are forced to make something, which sucks to have to do. Europe really understands the concepts in storing things. Plenty of things end up being things that one person thinks a solution is commonly there and works for them and they don't understand why the next person doesn't see it that way, or something doesn't work for them.

I don't know his root reason for making this (other than content for his youtube channel), but if no bins existed that were a match for his drawer design, then I can see where this gets going. Clearly though he has put effort into working thru some level of "mass" production. More he makes the more he cuts down on the time for each. Over time, more fixtures and jigs to save steps and he could get to making this design quickly.  Of course he would learn to change the design to make more and more sense.  Why does he have finger joint corners, but just glues the bottoms on?  He gets it all worked out and maybe he can crank them out to sell.

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2019, 12:34 AM »
... a non slip liner.

Or just being kind to the drawer and closing it nicely. Everything in life doesn't need to replicate a ride on a "tilt-a-whirl".

Quiet you 2,  if we all behaved or did as you describe the worlds economy would collapse as people would stop trying to solve problems with their things by buying more things. What other insane ideas are you going to put for...."leave screws in cardboard box they came, place where every there is space (shelf, cabinet, floor, bucket, or even gasp the bag you carried them home from the store in)"

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2019, 03:00 AM »
What if he simply enjoys it? What if he looks at it as a way of building or developing skill? The unexpected negativity is somewhat surprising.  You would think that everyone should have a human factors analyst following them around their shop checking on work product velocity.  Maybe we should all be discussing   Six Sigma.

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2019, 06:39 AM »
He builds his knowledge, feelings, creativity and self esteem.
And he is able to share it. Nonetheless inspiring, even when I don’t have his spare time to be so thorough. But once, I did also have his commitment.
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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2019, 10:25 AM »
What if he simply enjoys it? What if he looks at it as a way of building or developing skill? The unexpected negativity is somewhat surprising.  You would think that everyone should have a human factors analyst following them around their shop checking on work product velocity.  Maybe we should all be discussing   Six Sigma.
Well said!!!

Offline ChuckS

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2019, 12:18 PM »
I shared the young chap's video because I bumped into it while searching for "hardware organizer" after completing a dovetailed multiple-drawer till -- by hand. 16 half-lapped dovetails and 4 through dovetails...taking a good amount of time in the shop to get everything done. Pretty sure I can't beat any commercial organizers in cost or a router dovetail jg in efficiency. But the satisfaction is worth it. I suppose unless it is done for a living, time and cost are not always the deciding factors on what and how we do things.
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Offline tallgrass

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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2019, 01:51 PM »
I am glad you shared his video. I thought is was fantastic. In all respects.

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2019, 11:21 AM »
heres a quick and easy way to make boxes to store yer screws etc.





this guy does some amazing things with festools, makes some cool  jigs and accessories to.
He has another video on box making thats even easier. Ill try to find it.

here it is





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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2019, 12:03 PM »
When I needed to make little boxes I used a tongue and groove router bit set (don’t like clamping tiny miters) and turned the stock over (top to bottom) to get more t&g (don’t like deep boxes anyway).

Used a router table.

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2019, 12:34 PM »
Using a V-groove bit to make boxes or drawers is featured in the Fine Woodworking magazine's Workshop Tips column (Issue 259, Jan. 2017):

https://www.finewoodworking.com/2016/11/28/easy-to-make-plywood-drawers-and-trays
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Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2019, 12:46 PM »
Using a V-groove bit to make boxes or drawers is featured in the Fine Woodworking magazine's Workshop Tips column (Issue 259, Jan. 2017):

https://www.finewoodworking.com/2016/11/28/easy-to-make-plywood-drawers-and-trays

I can smell the wood burning now.