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Offline ryanjg117

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Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« on: June 30, 2019, 11:37 PM »
Some of you know I've been kicking around various ideas for sysports with AL extrusion for some time, including a bit of an over-the-top miter saw station with systainer storage beneath:



A cool concept, but after tallying up the costs of the extrusion, connectors and hardware, it would have been well over $1,000. Maybe closer to $2,000 USD. I'm at the point now where I need to get moving on building some additional systainer storage, so I went about trying to design a double sysport as economically as possible. A few of my design requirements:

  • Capability to be bolted together
  • Casters for mobility but adjustable mounting feet for stability (these will seldom be moved)
  • Related to previous, but the ability to level it, especially important as I'm going to be connecting these together and they will form the platform for my miter saw station

Here's my current result:





Still using extrusions for the uprights and an open design. After pricing out 80/20 Inc. and comparable suppliers, Misumi (at least here in the states) appears to be far and away the cheapest supplier. This design uses their Series 6 Base 30 extrusion (30x30 mm profile), and each upright is 976mm long. I found this height to be about the maximum for me (I'm 5'10" tall) while still having a tabletop working surface. This particular extrusion is unique in that it is relatively small, but still has a full 10mm channel, which means the Festool clamps will slide right in without a problem. The best part - each upright costs only $9.76 USD.

Right now, with the extrusions, spring nuts, socket cap screws, leveling feet and casters, I'm at about $119. This assumes four SYS-AZ drawers per stack, and the mounting hardware to secure them. This price doesn't including the top and the bottom (figure on 3/4" or thicker material for the top, and 5/8" material on the bottom). Also doesn't include shipping costs from Misumi, McMaster and Amazon. Still, under $150 for a double sysport made of extrusions isn't all that bad, especially when compared to Festool's 491922 steel single sysport at $725!

I'm going to build a few of these and report back on how they work. I'm also going to develop a couple of additional top designs, one with the 20x96mm hole pattern and other with slots for t-tracks, coming soon. Let me know if you'd like the DXF or Fusion 360 files.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2019, 02:42 AM »
I really like your concept saw station, it looks very minimal but, very functional with great storage, shame about the expense.

Maybe don’t be too hasty just yet, as there are new Systainers coming that are different heights to the current version  ;)

Offline nvalinski

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2019, 08:29 AM »
It looks super slick, but I have two thoughts on this. First, I have a feeling this will get wobbly quick, since there isn't much diagonal/lateral bracing like a skirt. Maybe having the drawer slides installed helps this, but I'm not sure. I also wouldn't want to rely on just 3/4" MDF to not sag and hold the top, so maybe a skirt would be beneficial.

Second thought, why bother with aluminum extrusion at all if there is no means to use it for clamps? I'd bring the extrusions flush with the front to be able to use it as a vertical clamping surface at least, otherwise maybe just solid plywood sides.

I do love the track storage in your first rendering.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2019, 08:45 AM »
Very nice and clean looking!

To cut cost further, is there a way to build your own pull-out trays to hold the systainers?


Thanks
Mike

Offline Trevin

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2019, 12:33 PM »
I did something similar to this in my shop.  I was fortunate to get all the 80/20 for free from an old employer who was clearing out one of their labs.  I love this system as it is very solid with no movement.
The only problem with 80/20 is I WANT MORE!
Trevin
Festool: MFT3 (x2), OF1010, OF1400, LR32, Domino DF500, Domino XL DF700, Kapex KS120, TS-75, Carvex 420, CXS, C-18, Vecturo OS 400, DTS 400, Pro 5, Rotex 125, VAC-PMP, VAC-SYS-1, VAC-SYS-2, CT-26 (x2), CT-SYS, SYS Light DUO, SYS-ROCK
Other: Minmax FS41, Sawstop PCS (3HP, 52"), Laguna BX14, Jet 17" Drill Press, Rikon 70-220VSR Lathe, Incra LS Router Station, Laguna P/Flux 3 Dust Collector

Offline rst

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2019, 05:50 PM »
Have a metal fabbing shop make U pans and buy over travel slides.  I had mine made, with the slides for -$15.00 per drawer.  I cut the holes in the pans with a die grinder so that the rear holes capture the rear legs and the front legs drop into the holes.  Bought the over travel slides on Ebay for about $10.00 @.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2019, 05:56 PM by rst »

Offline Ebuwan

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2021, 11:06 PM »
Hello,

Did you ever get around to building this out? Would love to see if you did. About to tackle re-doing my miter stations

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2021, 04:54 AM »
Is the AL extrusion necessary? Could you substitute equal size AL square tubing in it's place which would cost considerably less.
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Offline rst

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2021, 07:57 AM »
Mine is made with 1" 8020 quick tube and connectors.  They have 1/4" fin channels that make it easy to enclose.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2021, 10:46 AM »
I dont reinvent the wheel. Here is something that you could use and adapt to do what you want

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/omar-2-section-shelving-unit-s39279044/

Offline Svar

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2021, 11:00 AM »
I dont reinvent the wheel. Here is something that you could use and adapt to do what you want
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/omar-2-section-shelving-unit-s39279044/
I don't think mounting slides to round tubing spaced 36"x14" apart will be straightforward - the main reason for using upright t-slot extrusions placed where you want them.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2021, 11:06 AM by Svar »

Offline RustE

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2021, 11:14 AM »
Mine is made with 1" 8020 quick tube and connectors.  They have 1/4" fin channels that make it easy to enclose.

Then you attach the drawer slides directly to the Quick Frame?
Did you make a series of mounting holes for future adjustments?

Offline rst

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2021, 12:18 PM »
I tapped for small screws to attach the slides.  .I built this to store my two 2200s, the accessory kit, my 1400 and 1010 and the attachments are not adjustable.  I have parts for another but hav not had time to make 

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Economy double sysport concept made of AL extrusions
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2021, 10:27 PM »
I dont reinvent the wheel. Here is something that you could use and adapt to do what you want
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/omar-2-section-shelving-unit-s39279044/
I don't think mounting slides to round tubing spaced 36"x14" apart will be straightforward - the main reason for using upright t-slot extrusions placed where you want them.

I think lining the shelves with plywood and screwing pieces from the bottom so he could mount the slides and add the pull out shelves would work. But its up to him He can invest all the time and energy and money he wants. I dont reinvent the wheel and believe in the KISS system
« Last Edit: March 12, 2021, 10:29 PM by jobsworth »