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Title: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 02, 2014, 02:56 AM
I figured I'd start another thread so 3PedalMini's thread wouldn't get over run!  (Sorry pedal)

First off, I finally purchased a van!  I've always had trucks with caps and trailers. It was never a great scenario for me but all of the low roof vans were basically the same as having a pickup with a cap so I stayed put. I could never afford a sprinter and didn't want to get into the diesel market with all of the headaches I've heard of sprinter owners.

I had been eyeing out the promasters since their announcement and ordered one in mid October. I finally received it mid January and now I need to outfit it!  I ordered a low roof 136" wheel base 1500 model. There's about 65" of headroom in the cargo space and after I put the partition in, there's 9' of length. I did opt for the extended partition so the passenger space would not feel so cramped and seats can be reclined a bit.

So far, this is where I'm at with the shelving.  I decided to notch the bottoms of the legs so that I can lay sheet goods when necessary. Most everything will be off the ground once all of the shelving is done with the exception of the Kapex which will just have to go on top of any sheet goods on the floor. I'm using an adjustable hole with the "L" shaped metal pins that have a hole in the bottom. This way I can fasten my shelves in and have them stay put but still allowing flexibility with my shelf placement. I'll continue to post photos along the way!

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Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 02, 2014, 03:02 AM
For the floor, I had originally purchased a rubber mat as I felt the $800+freight wood floor was steep. I like the mat except that it was following the ribbed contour of the floor. So I purchased some 1/2" plywood, cut that to the general size...domino'd the sheets, traced the mat and cut it out. I popped that in, glued the mat to the plywood and voila I'm good to go!

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Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Pablo Ceniza on February 02, 2014, 04:00 AM
Nice job so far. I see you've made a couple of boxes for each end of the Kapex supports and curious to see how you incorporate this into the build .. and liking the light on top of the cab.
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: mastercabman on February 02, 2014, 07:34 AM
Nice set up!
That's the van I'm looking into but with higher roof
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: 3PedalMINI on February 02, 2014, 12:13 PM
No worries man! i love van threads, even when they derail mine  [big grin]  [tongue]

Man those promasters are goofy looking, they are quite a few of them running around here but they are all white and just ehhh looking. yours in the granite crystal looks much much nicer and helps detract from the goofyness of the front end. The NV200 is a close second to ugleness and goofyness. But you cant take away from how much more capable these euro style vans are then they usual style.

Im glad nissan shook up the market back in 2011. I feel without them we wouldnt have the types of vans that are coming out now and would still be stuck with the same ole choices. Sprinter-econoline or express.

what plywood did you end up choosing? how are you attaching the cabinets to the walls of the van? ill be doing the wood floor in my nv200 but i havent quite figured out how ill be attaching my cabinets to the sides or roof.


Congrats on your van! looking forward to seeing how it comes out!
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: NERemodeling on February 02, 2014, 01:40 PM
Congrats on the van!!  looks like it was well worth the wait.    shelving is coming out nice, good idea with the flooring

i gotta check that thing out soon!

john
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: 3PedalMINI on February 02, 2014, 01:45 PM
how did you attach the floor? or is it just held in by the partition bolts?
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 02, 2014, 02:05 PM
how did you attach the floor? or is it just held in by the partition bolts?

Ironically the floor was done after the partition. The ply is held down by 6 D rings that are placed evenly on the left and right sides from the factory. The 4mm dominos hold the 3 sections together.

The shelves will be bolted from the highest cross rail (which is where all the after market stuff is attached) using an angle L bolted both through the cabinet and through mounting holes in the cross rail!
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: fortrout on February 02, 2014, 05:46 PM
Where did the jig on the Domino come from?
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Sal LiVecchi on February 02, 2014, 06:55 PM
That jig is called a Domiplate and can be obtained from www.senecawoodworking.com/ (http://www.senecawoodworking.com/).
One of the FOG members sell these for both the 500 and 700 Domino's
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 06, 2014, 07:23 PM
Much appreciation to all of the other van racking posts, I've taken little bits to come up with what I think will suit me best!  Here's what I have so far! 

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Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 06, 2014, 07:27 PM
The space where the drawers are is built to house midi systainers that I plan to put multiple sanders, etc in. The drawers are repurposed from an old supplier that made a batch of drawers incorrectly and sold about 8 solid maple dovetail prefin to me for less than $50 total!  So I made them fit!
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Brice Burrell on February 06, 2014, 08:05 PM
Bob, are your shelves/drawers fastened/locked somehow and what holds the Systainers from toppling off the shelves?  As an aside, I checked out a ProMaster and decided to go with the Ford Transit Connect instead.  I drove the Transit first and then the ProMaster seemed like an bus, that's just more than what I want to drive everyday.
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 06, 2014, 08:11 PM
Brice, the shelves take so much might to open/shut. They're the gliderite slides and they stay shut...so far!

The systainer idea I used from our member wing who also has a promaster and made the four notches for the feet of the t loc systainer. They stay in very well. Been over some bumpy terrain already and all is well...so far!

I'll keep ya posted!

Congrats on the transit connect!  You don't have a need to haul sheet goods?
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 06, 2014, 09:42 PM


On this and other similar van Posts there has been discussion of sheet goods. It is my experience, working PTime in a TimberYard, that a majority of Van and Utility owners carry sheet goods on roof rack systems. We load them by hand or forklift depending on set up. Now, yes we have a milder climate than some parts of Europe and NA, but it still can rain (fat chance at the moment) so high quality sheets are wrapped.

And as others have said, there is also delivery; free within 10km.

Nice van and set up.

You would not believe the mess in some vans/utilities I see. Then you might!    [eek]

Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Brice Burrell on February 06, 2014, 11:08 PM
Brice, the shelves take so much might to open/shut. They're the gliderite slides and they stay shut...so far!

The systainer idea I used from our member wing who also has a promaster and made the four notches for the feet of the t loc systainer. They stay in very well. Been over some bumpy terrain already and all is well...so far!

I'll keep ya posted!

Congrats on the transit connect!  You don't have a need to haul sheet goods?

Right, that's what the pic of the 1400 is showing, I got it now.  I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product, keep up the good work.

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Congrats on the transit connect!  You don't have a need to haul sheet goods?

Thanks.  No I don't need to carry sheet goods, I've got a great lumber yard that delivers free, usually the same day.
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Jon Hilgenberg on February 07, 2014, 06:32 AM
Bob, are your shelves/drawers fastened/locked somehow and what holds the Systainers from toppling off the shelves?  As an aside, I checked out a ProMaster and decided to go with the Ford Transit Connect instead.  I drove the Transit first and then the ProMaster seemed like an bus, that's just more than what I want to drive everyday.

Brice,  I thought the new connects aren't goo to be here until summer 2014.  If they are here, do you test the longer version, or the standard size.  I'm sick of my truck, and really don't have much a need for transporting sheet goods much either.  Comes in handy every once in a while though.

Jon
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 07, 2014, 08:37 AM
The Transit Connects are already here. The full size Transits are summer 14. I did hear a longer version of the Connect was coming out but I know nothing of that as to when
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Brice Burrell on February 07, 2014, 04:52 PM
Bob, are your shelves/drawers fastened/locked somehow and what holds the Systainers from toppling off the shelves?  As an aside, I checked out a ProMaster and decided to go with the Ford Transit Connect instead.  I drove the Transit first and then the ProMaster seemed like an bus, that's just more than what I want to drive everyday.

Brice,  I thought the new connects aren't goo to be here until summer 2014.  If they are here, do you test the longer version, or the standard size.  I'm sick of my truck, and really don't have much a need for transporting sheet goods much either.  Comes in handy every once in a while though.

Jon

As Bob said the '14 Connects are here now.  I have the long 120" wheel base model.  The total length of the Connect is about 190" giving you 72" 84" in the cargo area with the seats all the way back.  You've got a little over 48" between the wheel wells, I forget the exact number but I think it's 45" high in the back.  The roof is around 72" off the ground.  I'll start another thread on the Connect when I get the wire partition, roof rack and window grills and take pics (that way Bob can hijack my thread like I've done with his [tongue]).    
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Brice Burrell on February 07, 2014, 04:58 PM
.......The full size Transits are summer 14........

Well, maybe.  The commercial salesman at the dealer told me there's a really good chance that will be delayed (possibly long term).  Seems people freaked out when Ford announced its plans to discontinue the E-series.  Apparently van guys aren't ready to give up their pickup frame style van just yet.   
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: 3PedalMINI on February 10, 2014, 07:10 PM
Poking around Car And driver and this popped up...Just wanted to let you know incase you didnt already!  [smile]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/were-the-reason-ram-had-to-recall-the-promaster/ (http://blog.caranddriver.com/were-the-reason-ram-had-to-recall-the-promaster/)
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 12, 2014, 12:24 PM
Here's my last cabinet in the ProMaster.  It holds my Kapex, MFT/3 Kapex and CMS. The drawers will be for CMS stuff and other misc goods. I was given a great suggestion by Reinhold to slide the cabinet over just enough to fit the MFT/3. I'll try and do that tonight!

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Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: PA floor guy on February 12, 2014, 02:26 PM
I have a sprinter packed with 40 something systainers.  I would love to have the organization that is shown in this pic. Great job man.
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 12, 2014, 02:42 PM
I have a sprinter packed with 40 something systainers.  I would love to have the organization that is shown in this pic. Great job man.

Thank you!  I'll be fitting more systainers between the two cabinets on the drivers side. I'll still have good floor space and can carry sheets when necessary!
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Jon Hilgenberg on February 12, 2014, 02:46 PM
Darn it Bob!  Stop being so organized!  And do standard Festool systainers cramp your style?  [poke]

Love it.  Now if I can only get Brice to hijack your thread and at least post some exterior pics of his Transit. [tongue]

Jon
Title: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 12, 2014, 02:58 PM
Darn it Bob!  Stop being so organized!  And do standard Festool systainers cramp your style?  [poke]

Love it.  Now if I can only get Brice to hijack your thread and at least post some exterior pics of his Transit. [tongue]

Jon

One of the earlier pics I posted, above the 3 drawers was built for midi systainers. I'll be ordering those soon!  Most of my setup is what I rolled with in the pickup with some additional stuff that I don't have to take out/put in/shuffle around, etc.

I'm really happy with the way this is coming along!  I have just enough length for my 2700 rail to ride on top of the drivers side cabinets!

I'll keep following up progress!

Brice where are ya???  I wanna see photos!  I've been working on this stuff at night in single digit temps...I don't wanna hear any excuses!
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Brice Burrell on February 12, 2014, 03:36 PM
Your ride is coming along nicely Bob.  Be sure to let us know how it works out in a few weeks.


Darn it Bob!  Stop being so organized!  And do standard Festool systainers cramp your style?  [poke]

Love it.  Now if I can only get Brice to hijack your thread and at least post some exterior pics of his Transit. [tongue]

Jon

One of the earlier pics I posted, above the 3 drawers was built for midi systainers. I'll be ordering those soon!  Most of my setup is what I rolled with in the pickup with some additional stuff that I don't have to take out/put in/shuffle around, etc.

I'm really happy with the way this is coming along!  I have just enough length for my 2700 rail to ride on top of the drivers side cabinets!

I'll keep following up progress!

Brice where are ya???  I wanna see photos!  I've been working on this stuff at night in single digit temps...I don't wanna hear any excuses!


Here's a quick picture.  I've ordered a partition, wire mesh for the windows and roof racks this week and it'll be a week or so till they come in.  After that I'll start a new thread so I can stop hijacks yours.... [embarassed]

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Title: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 12, 2014, 03:47 PM
Your ride is coming along nicely Bob.  Be sure to let us know how it works out in a few weeks.


Darn it Bob!  Stop being so organized!  And do standard Festool systainers cramp your style?  [poke]

Love it.  Now if I can only get Brice to hijack your thread and at least post some exterior pics of his Transit. [tongue]

Jon

One of the earlier pics I posted, above the 3 drawers was built for midi systainers. I'll be ordering those soon!  Most of my setup is what I rolled with in the pickup with some additional stuff that I don't have to take out/put in/shuffle around, etc.

I'm really happy with the way this is coming along!  I have just enough length for my 2700 rail to ride on top of the drivers side cabinets!

I'll keep following up progress!

Brice where are ya???  I wanna see photos!  I've been working on this stuff at night in single digit temps...I don't wanna hear any excuses!


Here's a quick picture.  I've ordered a partition, wire mesh for the windows and roof racks this week and it'll be a week or so till they come in.  After that I'll start a new thread so I can stop hijacks yours.... [embarassed]

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Wow that's a totally new look on the transit. I like that!  Can't wait to see your new thread!  [tongue]
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: festooltim on February 12, 2014, 09:16 PM
Bob that Kapex looks to clean and shinny doesn't it get used.
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 12, 2014, 09:56 PM
Bob that Kapex looks to clean and shinny doesn't it get used.

Tim, that Kapex was purchased on day 1 when it was released in the USA. It gets used almost daily!  The only reason it's shiny is cuz of the syslite!
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 13, 2014, 11:38 AM
So I slid my Kapex/CMS shelf over lastnight to make room for my MFT/3. It left me just enough room to fit my final column of shelves for my sawing systainers (TS75, TS55R & Carvex). I'm super thrilled!  I ran out of the shelf pins and need a few more to complete but you can get the gist!

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Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on February 13, 2014, 01:55 PM
In an attempt to sort of future proof a part of my storage system (hopefully UL hears my desperate plea), I made a way to store my CMS router module in the hopes that we may one day see the TS insert. This way I can safely store my router insert and carry a second in the CMS itself!  Here's to hoping...do you hear me Mr UL??

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Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: festooltim on February 13, 2014, 09:32 PM
Bob I bought my Kapex on day one to. I hate to show a picture of it. It looks quite bad compared to yours.
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Rob Z on February 13, 2014, 11:20 PM
Hi Bob,

So far, I've only seen your van pics that you sent via text.  Everything is really looking good now that I've seen them on the large screen of the computer.
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Kristian on February 14, 2014, 04:08 AM
Hi Bob

Great setup! I'm envious - love these DIY racking setups and all the planning that goes into the design and details. There are two things I have to do in life before I die: 1) Get a date with Charlize Theron and 2) Build a racking system for a van. I know one of them seems hopelessly optimistic but I sincerely hope that one day I'll be able to post pictures of my very own van racking right here on the FOG.

Thanks for the pictures - keep'em coming.  [smile]

- Kristian
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 14, 2014, 05:55 AM
Hi Bob

Great setup! I'm envious - love these DIY racking setups and all the planning that goes into the design and details. There are two things I have to do in life before I die: 1) Get a date with Charlize Theron and 2) Build a racking system for a van. I know one of them seems hopelessly optimistic but I sincerely hope that one day I'll be able to post pictures of me and Charlize Theron right here on the FOG.

Thanks for the pictures - keep'em coming.  [smile]

- Kristian


 [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]       [big grin]


Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Starfl0 on February 14, 2014, 02:52 PM
Great Van with à nice tool setup !

I did not know there was a dodge version of the fiat ducato !
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Tinker on March 03, 2014, 09:44 AM
Bob, You are doing a great job.  Many of these van setups are giving me ideas for setting up my own small shop space.  In another 20 years or so, when I get to be 40, i will get rid of my open-backed pickups and open trailer and get something closed in.  I like the way the new model vans look and they seem to be a lot sturdier than older models.  (The same is true of the newer pickups) 

I am wondering how your shelving, both on runners and on shelf pins, will hold up when the frost starts going out of the ground this spring (I know ??????? it is coming) with the resulting pot holes.  That will be the acid test.  Or do you drive a little slower than me?  Oh! I know!  Your roads are much smoother, being much closer to the Governor's bailiwick!  [huh]
Tinker

 
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Peter Halle on March 03, 2014, 09:59 AM
Bob,  You are a trooper!  I now you've been doing all of this while also working out of that van when time allows (even till 2 AM) in really cold crappy weather.  Impressive.

Peter
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on March 04, 2014, 09:13 PM
Bob, You are doing a great job.  Many of these van setups are giving me ideas for setting up my own small shop space.  In another 20 years or so, when I get to be 40, i will get rid of my open-backed pickups and open trailer and get something closed in.  I like the way the new model vans look and they seem to be a lot sturdier than older models.  (The same is true of the newer pickups) 

I am wondering how your shelving, both on runners and on shelf pins, will hold up when the frost starts going out of the ground this spring (I know ??????? it is coming) with the resulting pot holes.  That will be the acid test.  Or do you drive a little slower than me?  Oh! I know!  Your roads are much smoother, being much closer to the Governor's bailiwick!  [huh]
Tinker

Thanks Wayne!  I've already had many tests thrown at this van with potholes. It's so bad in CT that they've have to shut down some of the major highways or at least reduce down to 1 lane to fix a ton of potholes. I've not had a single systainer bounce out of place yet!
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: builderbob on March 04, 2014, 09:15 PM
Bob,  You are a trooper!  I now you've been doing all of this while also working out of that van when time allows (even till 2 AM) in really cold crappy weather.  Impressive.

Peter

Thank you very much Peter and you're 100% correct. Late nights and cold weather have been interesting!  Guess I should've waited till spring to buy this van. It's pretty much put together now aside from a few odds and ends...it was totally worth it!
Title: Re: Another ProMaster Van Racking
Post by: Tinker on March 05, 2014, 11:51 AM
Bob, I'm not so concerned about boxes bouncing out as I am seeing all of those screws into end grain (into plywood edges).
If I were building all those shelves, I would have some sort metal reinforcements at the corners of the boxes.
Been there, not done that with shelves to carry fertilizer & grass seed.  Even with 2x framing as reinforcing, screws begin to work lose over time. I ended up using bolts and steel angles at corners. I was working with a lot more weight, but the principles are close to the same.

About those pot holes, with the amount of cold and all of the rain mixed in with each storm, we will be seeing a whole lot more in way of highway obstacle courses when the frost starts going out.  :o
Tinker