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Offline Festdewalkita

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Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« on: October 28, 2020, 11:35 AM »
As a noob (but long-time lurker) looking to do built-ins, closets and eventually my kitchen cabinets, I'm seeing this and wondering if it breaks new ground or improves on a Kreg (or Veritas, etc.) offering.

As I can't stand the thought of re-inventing the wheel, I'm here to learn from those who've already 'been there, done that.'  Thanks in advance...
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Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2020, 11:43 AM »
I have used the WP jig.  Other than making sure you use an uncut, vs downcut, its a decent jig.  The downcut, which was recommended in one of the videos, really had burn issues.  You also need to take care of your reference points, top to bottom, etc.  I did not use it much but at least you can get more holes in one positioning than with the Kreg jig (I have that as well).  I have now started using the LR32 so most likely won't use the WP set up.  It is a solid piece of equipment though.

Offline Festdewalkita

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2020, 02:35 PM »
Sorry, I wasn't talking about this one:  https://www.woodpeck.com/combo-shelf-pin-template.html

I was talking about the new one, the combo shelf and drawer jig, for use on existing or new-build cabinets:  https://www.woodpeck.com/shelf-pin-drawer-slide-template.html
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2020, 03:20 PM »
The new one ($99, basic) is what I'd get if I made enough shelving to justify it. The last time I did some shelving (a month ago), I used a pegboard to guide the drilling.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 09:10 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Josh2

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2020, 04:54 PM »
Interesting. I have been looking for a jig and only knew about the old woodpecker. Is the main advantage that the new one can be used to update old cabinets?

Router bit: Upcut should avoid the burn but might create tear-out with plywood or veneer. An alternative are the Festool router bits that are also part of LR32. Festool 491066 Dowel Drill Router Bit. There is a second router bit for through holes. Downsite is that this router but is more expensive.


Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2020, 05:08 PM »
Sorry, I wasn't talking about this one:  https://www.woodpeck.com/combo-shelf-pin-template.html

I was talking about the new one, the combo shelf and drawer jig, for use on existing or new-build cabinets:  https://www.woodpeck.com/shelf-pin-drawer-slide-template.html

The one you are talking about is a new OTT and at best, you would get it at the end of March.  I don't believe anybody has one so not sure how input you can get.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2020, 05:26 PM »
I have the original black version from Woodpeckers. It works great for small projects. Think about a cabinet or two and then an occasional cabinet from time to time. I’d purchase the new Woodpeckers version in a heart beat if I didn’t already own the black version.

If you’re building a complete set of kitchen cabinets, then I’d consider the LR 32.


Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2020, 08:24 PM »
All WP OTTs have a history of long waiting time. Their targets are not those who need a tool right away or within a few weeks. Hence, partly why I never own a WP OTT (the other part is that I'm good at solving challenges using products that are readily available in the market, or by hand). The long waiting time, however, is necessary for their business model in that their procurement of materials and production won't start until after the order cut-off date.

Offline Festdewalkita

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2020, 08:45 PM »
Xedos--I didn't see the 5-6 mo availability, and while I own WP tools, I've never ordered a OTT.  The original shelf-pin only template is $76.99, and seems most like the things you mentioned, though they seem to be much more flimsy (so go figure they're cheaper).

Chuck M--I won't get to the cabinetry for quite a whiile, so I'm ok with any wait.

Cheese--thanks for the input.  I'm new to all of it, and haven't gotten to this piece of Festool gear.  I'll go look before putting my finger on the WP trigger.

Chuck M--pegboard seems very clever, if maybe a bit flimsy.  I don't have any lying around presently...I could pick some up the next time I'm out.  Did you get any creep when you drilled?  I've seen that hack mentioned a few times.

I like the idea of being able to do both the drawer rails *and* the shelf pins (instead of buying two different jigs), but not sure if it's comparable or an improvement on anything already out there.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 08:47 PM by Festdewalkita »
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2020, 08:57 PM »

Chuck M--pegboard seems very clever, if maybe a bit flimsy.  I don't have any lying around presently...I could pick some up the next time I'm out.  Did you get any creep when you drilled?  I've seen that hack mentioned a few times.


The pegboard doesn't match the commercial drilling jigs (such as those Xedos has posted) in terms of precision -- although the degree of precision required for shelf holes is really not that critical. https://www.woodcraft.com/blog_entries/easy-to-make-shelf-pin-drilling-jig (Googled and found this one with images: https://sawdustgirl.com/diy-shelf-pin-drill-jig/)

Creeps are not a concern as the board is spring-clamped in place before drilling. As shown in its video, the WPP OTT also needs to be properly clamped.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 09:27 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Festdewalkita

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2020, 10:21 PM »
Chuck M--This is the creep of which I spoke:  "The holes in your template will become enlarged after repeated use, so if do [sic] a lot of drilling for shelf pins, you may want to consider purchasing a jig such as a Veritas Shelf Drilling Jig."

That Veritas jig shows $145.50 on Lee Valley.  It doesn't look like it helps align drawer hardware, though.  While cheaper than the LR-32 system, it's comparable to the price of the new WP complete shelf/drawer jig set (that includes a Whiteside 5mm upcut spiral bit and a 1/4 inch drill bit).
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2020, 10:59 PM »
Now I see what you meant. So far I haven't had any issue on that. If one day the board is worn, I'll use the other holes or cut a new sheet. Not too often do I build something that has more than one or two shelves.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2020, 10:16 AM »

Cheese--thanks for the input.  I'm new to all of it, and haven't gotten to this piece of Festool gear.  I'll go look before putting my finger on the WP trigger.


Both Woodpecker versions are made out of 3/8" thick phenolic so they are extremely robust compared to some 3/16" thick plastic clone.

The nice thing about the Woodpecker item is that you insert 2 registration pins, clamp and then start drilling holes.







The Festool LR 32 template on the other hand, needs a lot more setup time and additional gyrations. It works great though for large/many/tall cabinets.


Offline JimH2

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2020, 10:56 AM »
5-6 month wait ? [eek]  Only for the serious collector.

Same thing, half price:
https://www.amazon.com/Euro-Limited-Adjustable-System-Template/dp/B01LLY2OOS

Same thing, 1/4 price:
https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-13-hole-32-mm-spacing-shelf-pin-jig?gclid=Cj0KCQjwreT8BRDTARIsAJLI0KIBdW7HOzieM7msNV0raG7ZlWfwlFR0TwQuHhSvn3MmuSAZCJkjVOIaAgatEALw_wcB#

Both can be had now.

Pegboard works too as do any number of jigs, however the Woodpeckers one is better than both you suggested for not much more money. Even better solutions exist, but the price points move into the $100's if not $1,000's. I have tried a lot of them and settled on the Mafell DD40 with templates (which have other uses). I am considering a line drilling stationary machine as my business grows.

Offline HDClown

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2020, 11:21 AM »
I am thinking about getting this new OTT to use with OF1010.  I happen have a Festool 491066 Dowel Drill Router bit already (from a Festool router bit set).  Anyone know if I would be able to use the Whiteside - #0540-38N Precision 3/8" OD Template Guide Bushing with the 491066 and the OF1010 for use with this jig, or if there is some other guide bushing I should get instead?

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2020, 11:28 AM »
Even better solutions exist, but the price points move into the $100's if not $1,000's. I have tried a lot of them and settled on the Mafell DD40 with templates (which have other uses). I am considering a line drilling stationary machine as my business grows.

https://schmitt32.com/collections/new-systems/products/42-schmitt32-am

Here's a Schmitt32 system 42" long.



Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2020, 11:46 AM »
Anyone know if I would be able to use the Whiteside - #0540-38N Precision 3/8" OD Template Guide Bushing with the 491066 and the OF1010 for use with this jig, or if there is some other guide bushing I should get instead?

I believe it'd work fine, you just need to fit the Festool 469625 template guide adaptor.




Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2020, 01:02 PM »

The Festool LR 32 template on the other hand, needs a lot more setup time and additional gyrations. It works great though for large/many/tall cabinets.


I have seen the LR 32 used (mostly in videos), and I consider it on par with using a dovetail jig and a router: if you use it often, you can set it up with ease and produce accurate and quick results. However, for people like me who do holes once or twice a year, I'd spend more time in familiarizing with the jig (each time I use it) and drilling. For that kind of reason, I sold my Leigh jig (rarely used) and took up cutting dovetails by hand, for which like riding a bike, the skill won't be forgotten over time. The pegboard approach is only good for folks like me, mostly a hobbyist furniture maker rather than a cabinetmaker.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2020, 04:53 PM by ChuckM »

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2020, 03:08 PM »
I need a jig in the next week so I'm getting the combo template that's available. This new one looks nice but I can't wait 6 months
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2020, 08:28 PM »
Just came across this: https://www.instagram.com/p/CG7T3LgF_Te/

Not deadly accurate, but seems good enough for most applications where you have only a few boards to bore.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2020, 10:48 AM »
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-how-to/cutting-holes-for-shelf-pins/

sounds like another option out there (for those who prefer routing holes).

Offline Festdewalkita

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2020, 11:00 PM »
JimH2, ChuckM, Cheese--thank you so much for taking the time to think about  and write an answer to my question.  I very much appreciate it.
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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2020, 08:58 AM »
Just came across this: https://www.instagram.com/p/CG7T3LgF_Te/

Not deadly accurate, but seems good enough for most applications where you have only a few boards to bore.

This would be perfect for making a template.

Offline xedos

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2020, 09:21 AM »
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Xedos--I didn't see the 5-6 mo availability,

Scroll down the link and look at the "scheduled" delivery date.  The math is easy.  OTT are often later than projected delivery date. Since you can wait prob. not a big deal.

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though they seem to be much more flimsy


While they aren't as stout as phenolic, they are far from flimsy.  Aluminum would be more stout than phenol. Does that change your opinion of the WP's "stoutness" or "cheapness" ?  Everything's a compromise.  If you love the WP and think it the best - get it.  With or without validation form the group.   It is certainly up to the job.

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but not sure if it's comparable or an improvement on anything already out there.

It's both.  But at a price.


If you want fast, cheap , and easy , this is fairly compelling:

https://www.fastcap.com/product/layout-tape-system




Offline Festdewalkita

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2020, 11:24 AM »
Xedos-Thanks for your points.  I should have typed I saw the delivery date (specific to item added to cart) after you pointed it out.

If TSO or someone else (or Woodpeckers!) came out with an aluminum or stainless steel shelf/drawer alignment tool and it were more expensive, I'd consider the materials quality used (and current spot vs contract commodities prices) in my buying evaluation.

I really like Fastcap, so thank you for that as well (looks like an interesting consumable at $9.95/cabinet).  Side note, I've found Fastcap's customer service (hat tip{h/t} to Thomas Emmett) to be phenomenal in the mini woodworking spending spree my wife and I initiated in the past 6-8 weeks.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2020, 12:56 PM by Festdewalkita »
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2020, 11:34 AM »
Snip.  (looks like an interesting consumable at $9.95/cabinet).  Side note, I've found Fastcap's customer service (hat tip{h/t} to Thomas Emmett) to be phenomenal in the mini woodworking spending spree my wife and I initiated in the past 6-8 weeks.
$9.95/60 feet

Offline Festdewalkita

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2020, 12:47 PM »
ChuckM--yes, thank you!  I misread (again!...stupid details).  60 feet of tape probably works out to what, 10+ cabinets?  Big difference (< ~$1/cab).
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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2020, 08:35 PM »
For a tenner, a roll of FastCap tape should yield a half a dozen base cabinets.  ;D

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2020, 04:04 PM »
I've been using the Kreg shelf pin drilling jig.  It is easy enough to use and it includes a drill bit and has a place to store the bit when not using it.

My problem with it is that the holes all have significant tear-out whether I am drilling in hardwood or plywood. 

Any suggestions?  Perhaps my battery powered drill is not spinning fast enough?

https://www.kregtool.com/shop/hardware-installation/cabinet-shelf-jigs/shelf-pin-jig-with-5mm-bit/KMA3220.html

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2020, 06:15 PM »
I haven't tried it (yet), but it may work:

Put a strip of masking tape (medium -- such as the blue tape) on the board and then use the Kreg jig as usual.

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Offline Dongar

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2020, 08:11 AM »
Try running the drill backwards first to score the wood with the cutting spurs. Then drill the hole in forward.

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2020, 08:26 AM »
Try running the drill backwards first to score the wood with the cutting spurs. Then drill the hole in forward.

Thanks.  I will try your's and Chuck's suggestions.

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2020, 12:19 PM »
What are you drilling ?

I’ve found the the Kreg bit to just fine in melamine / laminate sides.   I have not tried it on veneered ply though. 

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2020, 12:30 PM »
I am making a medicine cabinet.  I originally made the box from birch veneered 3/4" plywood.  But when I drilled the shelf pin holes it tore up the veneer.

I then re-did the box using poplar, and while this result is going to be OK (but just barely OK), it is not ideal. 

Mostly I would like to solve this for projects going forward.  The holes in the  medicine cabinet are not really on display.

A down-cut router bit would probably make a cleaner hole, but it would not work with the jig. 

Will a higher speed drill make cleaner holes?  I am pretty sure my old 110 volt drill spun much faster than the battery powered drill.


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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2020, 04:44 PM »
The higher speed should give you better results.

However, looking at the Kreg bit, it appears that the wings of the bit aren't quite as steep as my other brad point bits.   Which means the holes are never going to be as clean all other things being equal. 

For new cabinet work with lots of system holes, I'd look at another jig/system.  I only use this jig for adding a couple of holes to an already installed cabinet.   Something which it excels at in my view, because of its small and compact size.   I'd never use it for doing 4 rows of system holes on an entire cabinet, let alone a couple of dozen.


Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2020, 04:55 PM »
I only build cabinets for myself and friends.  So high production is not an issue; the appearance of the cabinets is an issue.

Would a Vix bit make a cleaner hole?

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2020, 06:38 PM »
Would a Vix bit make a cleaner hole?

No as it still uses a conventional twist bit.  You want something that has side spurs, such as a brad point or a Forstner.

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2020, 06:53 PM »
OK, I just ordered a Fisch brad point bit in 5mm.  They are showing sharp spurs on the outer edge of the bits.  I’ll let you know how it works out.

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2020, 10:53 PM »
Sorry, I wasn't talking about this one:  https://www.woodpeck.com/combo-shelf-pin-template.html

I was talking about the new one, the combo shelf and drawer jig, for use on existing or new-build cabinets:  https://www.woodpeck.com/shelf-pin-drawer-slide-template.html

The one you are talking about is a new OTT and at best, you would get it at the end of March.  I don't believe anybody has one so not sure how input you can get.
I've used that older one and it works great!

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2020, 04:47 PM »
Not to complicate your build  [tongue]

But a nice accent is the bushings you put the drilled holes...
Makes the shelf pin inserts feel so professional vs. just poking them in a wood hole.  I used them once years ago, and was happy I did...  LV sells them...

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2020, 08:17 PM »
Would a Vix bit make a cleaner hole?

No as it still uses a conventional twist bit.  You want something that has side spurs, such as a brad point or a Forstner.


This isn't entirely accurate.   

While el cheapo vix bits typically have twist drills - it is not universally so.  I have one from euro ltd, and it has a brad point drill bit.   And a very good one at that.  Produces very clean holes.   It ought to for $50+ .

And, the Kreg bit in question is a brad point bit !   Just not a great quality one it seems.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2020, 09:00 PM »

And, the Kreg bit in question is a brad point bit !   Just not a great quality one it seems.

Good point. I wonder if it was the quality of the bit or if it was the speed of pushing the bit into the jig that caused the OP's tear-out problem. Granted, poplar is not hard hardwood and is more prone to tear-out. 

I'm picking up this set, and will give it a try: https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/jigs-guides-and-fixtures/70090-kreg-shelf-pin-jig

I have both poplar and ply around to do some tests (I know other hardwoods like sapele are not much a concern when I do the shelf holes using the pegboard as a template). I'll see if my theory is correct that if you push the bit in gently to allow the bit to score the surface (not like using a pocket-hole jig), tear-out might be prevented. Stay tuned.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2020, 09:04 PM by ChuckM »

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2020, 09:06 PM »
This isn't entirely accurate.   

While el cheapo vix bits typically have twist drills - it is not universally so.  I have one from euro ltd, and it has a brad point drill bit.   And a very good one at that.  Produces very clean holes.   It ought to for $50+ .


Interesting, I’ve never seen a Vix bit with anything but a twist drill because Vix bits are usually used for hinges.


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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2020, 05:42 PM »
I picked up the Kreg jig and used it on a plywood and a poplar scrap. Some holes had fuzzy edges (which probably could be sanded off), but no tear-outs. As it turned out, blue tape didn't have much effect.

On the whole, the jig produced acceptable shelf pin holes.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2020, 12:10 AM by ChuckM »

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2020, 08:41 AM »
I bought a good quality 5mm bit to try with my Kreg shelf pin jig.  It will not work with the jig.  Apparently Kreg uses the same jig for 5mm and 1/4" diameter pins.  The bushings are 1/4" diameter.  Their 5mm bit has a 1/4" shaft and tapers to 5mm at the ends. 

So the 5mm bit I bought does a nice job on the holes, but will not work.  Not sure what I will do going forward.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2020, 10:29 AM »
I bought a good quality 5mm bit to try with my Kreg shelf pin jig.  It will not work with the jig.  Apparently Kreg uses the same jig for 5mm and 1/4" diameter pins.  The bushings are 1/4" diameter.  Their 5mm bit has a 1/4" shaft and tapers to 5mm at the ends. 

So the 5mm bit I bought does a nice job on the holes, but will not work.  Not sure what I will do going forward.

You could always try cutting up a couple of collet bushings and using those in the Kreg jig.

https://schmitt32.com/products/rolled-aluminum-bushing-for-1-4-collets

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2020, 11:56 AM »
I bought a good quality 5mm bit to try with my Kreg shelf pin jig.  It will not work with the jig.  Apparently Kreg uses the same jig for 5mm and 1/4" diameter pins.  The bushings are 1/4" diameter.  Their 5mm bit has a 1/4" shaft and tapers to 5mm at the ends. 

So the 5mm bit I bought does a nice job on the holes, but will not work.  Not sure what I will do going forward.

You could always try cutting up a couple of collet bushings and using those in the Kreg jig.

https://schmitt32.com/products/rolled-aluminum-bushing-for-1-4-collets

The Kreg bushings are hardened steel; I don't think the aluminum bushing will stand up.  Perhaps a router bit with a 1/4" shank and a 5mm cutting end will work.

I will have to measure how long the shank will have to be.

https://www.amazon.com/Amana-Tool-46211-K-Spektra-Down-Cut/dp/B07MVH7L8N/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1AAIUFD0HNLAU&dchild=1&keywords=5mm+router+bit+1%2F4+shank&qid=1605545476&sprefix=5mm+router+bi%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-4

CMT makes a nice jig but I cannot find a USA vendor:  https://www.cmtorangetools.com/eu-en/systems-and-accessories/universal-boring-template
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