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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2020, 06:15 PM »
I haven't tried it (yet), but it may work:

Put a strip of masking tape (medium -- such as the blue tape) on the board and then use the Kreg jig as usual.

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Offline Dongar

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2020, 08:11 AM »
Try running the drill backwards first to score the wood with the cutting spurs. Then drill the hole in forward.

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2020, 08:26 AM »
Try running the drill backwards first to score the wood with the cutting spurs. Then drill the hole in forward.

Thanks.  I will try your's and Chuck's suggestions.

Offline xedos

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2020, 12:19 PM »
What are you drilling ?

I’ve found the the Kreg bit to just fine in melamine / laminate sides.   I have not tried it on veneered ply though. 

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2020, 12:30 PM »
I am making a medicine cabinet.  I originally made the box from birch veneered 3/4" plywood.  But when I drilled the shelf pin holes it tore up the veneer.

I then re-did the box using poplar, and while this result is going to be OK (but just barely OK), it is not ideal. 

Mostly I would like to solve this for projects going forward.  The holes in the  medicine cabinet are not really on display.

A down-cut router bit would probably make a cleaner hole, but it would not work with the jig. 

Will a higher speed drill make cleaner holes?  I am pretty sure my old 110 volt drill spun much faster than the battery powered drill.


Offline xedos

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2020, 04:44 PM »
The higher speed should give you better results.

However, looking at the Kreg bit, it appears that the wings of the bit aren't quite as steep as my other brad point bits.   Which means the holes are never going to be as clean all other things being equal. 

For new cabinet work with lots of system holes, I'd look at another jig/system.  I only use this jig for adding a couple of holes to an already installed cabinet.   Something which it excels at in my view, because of its small and compact size.   I'd never use it for doing 4 rows of system holes on an entire cabinet, let alone a couple of dozen.


Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2020, 04:55 PM »
I only build cabinets for myself and friends.  So high production is not an issue; the appearance of the cabinets is an issue.

Would a Vix bit make a cleaner hole?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2020, 06:38 PM »
Would a Vix bit make a cleaner hole?

No as it still uses a conventional twist bit.  You want something that has side spurs, such as a brad point or a Forstner.

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2020, 06:53 PM »
OK, I just ordered a Fisch brad point bit in 5mm.  They are showing sharp spurs on the outer edge of the bits.  I’ll let you know how it works out.

Offline krudawg

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2020, 10:53 PM »
Sorry, I wasn't talking about this one:  https://www.woodpeck.com/combo-shelf-pin-template.html

I was talking about the new one, the combo shelf and drawer jig, for use on existing or new-build cabinets:  https://www.woodpeck.com/shelf-pin-drawer-slide-template.html

The one you are talking about is a new OTT and at best, you would get it at the end of March.  I don't believe anybody has one so not sure how input you can get.
I've used that older one and it works great!

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Offline WillB

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2020, 04:47 PM »
Not to complicate your build  [tongue]

But a nice accent is the bushings you put the drilled holes...
Makes the shelf pin inserts feel so professional vs. just poking them in a wood hole.  I used them once years ago, and was happy I did...  LV sells them...

Offline xedos

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2020, 08:17 PM »
Would a Vix bit make a cleaner hole?

No as it still uses a conventional twist bit.  You want something that has side spurs, such as a brad point or a Forstner.


This isn't entirely accurate.   

While el cheapo vix bits typically have twist drills - it is not universally so.  I have one from euro ltd, and it has a brad point drill bit.   And a very good one at that.  Produces very clean holes.   It ought to for $50+ .

And, the Kreg bit in question is a brad point bit !   Just not a great quality one it seems.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2020, 09:00 PM »

And, the Kreg bit in question is a brad point bit !   Just not a great quality one it seems.

Good point. I wonder if it was the quality of the bit or if it was the speed of pushing the bit into the jig that caused the OP's tear-out problem. Granted, poplar is not hard hardwood and is more prone to tear-out. 

I'm picking up this set, and will give it a try: https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/jigs-guides-and-fixtures/70090-kreg-shelf-pin-jig

I have both poplar and ply around to do some tests (I know other hardwoods like sapele are not much a concern when I do the shelf holes using the pegboard as a template). I'll see if my theory is correct that if you push the bit in gently to allow the bit to score the surface (not like using a pocket-hole jig), tear-out might be prevented. Stay tuned.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2020, 09:04 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2020, 09:06 PM »
This isn't entirely accurate.   

While el cheapo vix bits typically have twist drills - it is not universally so.  I have one from euro ltd, and it has a brad point drill bit.   And a very good one at that.  Produces very clean holes.   It ought to for $50+ .


Interesting, I’ve never seen a Vix bit with anything but a twist drill because Vix bits are usually used for hinges.


Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2020, 05:42 PM »
I picked up the Kreg jig and used it on a plywood and a poplar scrap. Some holes had fuzzy edges (which probably could be sanded off), but no tear-outs. As it turned out, blue tape didn't have much effect.

On the whole, the jig produced acceptable shelf pin holes.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2020, 12:10 AM by ChuckM »

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2020, 08:41 AM »
I bought a good quality 5mm bit to try with my Kreg shelf pin jig.  It will not work with the jig.  Apparently Kreg uses the same jig for 5mm and 1/4" diameter pins.  The bushings are 1/4" diameter.  Their 5mm bit has a 1/4" shaft and tapers to 5mm at the ends. 

So the 5mm bit I bought does a nice job on the holes, but will not work.  Not sure what I will do going forward.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2020, 10:29 AM »
I bought a good quality 5mm bit to try with my Kreg shelf pin jig.  It will not work with the jig.  Apparently Kreg uses the same jig for 5mm and 1/4" diameter pins.  The bushings are 1/4" diameter.  Their 5mm bit has a 1/4" shaft and tapers to 5mm at the ends. 

So the 5mm bit I bought does a nice job on the holes, but will not work.  Not sure what I will do going forward.

You could always try cutting up a couple of collet bushings and using those in the Kreg jig.

https://schmitt32.com/products/rolled-aluminum-bushing-for-1-4-collets

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Shelf Pin & Drawer Slide Template
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2020, 11:56 AM »
I bought a good quality 5mm bit to try with my Kreg shelf pin jig.  It will not work with the jig.  Apparently Kreg uses the same jig for 5mm and 1/4" diameter pins.  The bushings are 1/4" diameter.  Their 5mm bit has a 1/4" shaft and tapers to 5mm at the ends. 

So the 5mm bit I bought does a nice job on the holes, but will not work.  Not sure what I will do going forward.

You could always try cutting up a couple of collet bushings and using those in the Kreg jig.

https://schmitt32.com/products/rolled-aluminum-bushing-for-1-4-collets

The Kreg bushings are hardened steel; I don't think the aluminum bushing will stand up.  Perhaps a router bit with a 1/4" shank and a 5mm cutting end will work.

I will have to measure how long the shank will have to be.

https://www.amazon.com/Amana-Tool-46211-K-Spektra-Down-Cut/dp/B07MVH7L8N/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1AAIUFD0HNLAU&dchild=1&keywords=5mm+router+bit+1%2F4+shank&qid=1605545476&sprefix=5mm+router+bi%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-4

CMT makes a nice jig but I cannot find a USA vendor:  https://www.cmtorangetools.com/eu-en/systems-and-accessories/universal-boring-template
« Last Edit: November 16, 2020, 11:58 AM by Packard »