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Offline rubber_ducky

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Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« on: May 25, 2021, 07:31 AM »
https://www.woodpeck.com/morty-loose-tenon-jig.html

The unit and a decent router (which most of us have already) isn’t way off from what a domino costs (if you could find one).


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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2021, 07:36 AM »
The ability to make angled mortises would be useful for louvered doors or blinds as they show on their webpage.
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Offline squall_line

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2021, 07:50 AM »
Ironic that this video was posted last week Friday?



Although he also admits that loose tenon jigs have been around for a long time.

I have no association with either the WP product nor the 10 Min Workshop jig.

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2021, 08:10 AM »
That's pretty cool. If I were doing angled mortises on the regular that's something I would see a lot of value in.
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Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2021, 08:49 AM »
I was very impressed until I saw the 3-1/2" width limit.

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2021, 09:08 AM »
I use a beadlock loose tenon jig.  I actually have a mortising machine and a tenon jig for my table saw.  But anytime the piece gets longer than about 36" it hits the ceiling when I try to cut the tenons on the stock. 

The beadlock unit is faster and easier and appears to have all the strength I need.  I got mine from Rockler and I buy the beadlock stock from them also. They do sell a router bit so that you can make your own, but I don't use that much of the stuff.

The beadlock starter kit from Rockler is $29.95 vs $599.00 (on sale) from Woodpeckers. 

I don't know how well the Woodpeckers unit works, but I have made a couple of screen doors using the beadlock unit and those went quickly and have stood up for years.  They do make a beadlock professional unit which will do all that the Woodpeckers does for $169.00.  I don't have that unit so I cannot comment on how well it works.





Offline squall_line

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2021, 09:15 AM »
Now that I've looked a little more closely at the "Morty", it appears that their target market is not necessarily would-be Domino owners, but anyone who wants to do exposed/through-tenon joinery.  This tracks with their beech and white oak tenon offerings that they have.

I gotta hand it to them, even though they could release the tenon stock tomorrow, they're holding out until the "Morty" is available.  Like most of their One Time Tool offerings, you gotta be willing to wait; expected End of December, 2021.

Offline JD2720

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2021, 10:01 AM »
That's pretty cool. If I were doing angled mortises on the regular that's something I would see a lot of value in.

The angled mortises were what drew me to look closer at it. Although at my age, I do not believe it would be of much value to me.

Offline Tony from Pandora

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2021, 11:41 AM »
I really like the center alignment ability for this.  The domino isn't awesome when you want the mortise perfectly centered on narrow stock.

One issue I see is that i don't know how it would work for the middle of a flat panel (e.g. shelves in a cabinet).  There's no meat to clamp it down (if you even had clamps long enough to reach) and still use the router, from the looks of it.

I suppose after some more comments and views, they'll issue a 'Deep Dive' video about it...!

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2021, 11:48 AM »
I guess I'm more interested in what other types of tenon stock they'll be releasing.

$599 just gets you 8 mm capabilities, you'll need the $220 package of router bits to get all the sizes advertised.


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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2021, 12:09 PM »
I guess I'm more interested in what other types of tenon stock they'll be releasing.

That was my conclusion as well, interesting for thru tenons.

BTW, when i watched the video, there was a short segment showing them hand scribing the tenon stock to create glue lines.   This would be quite a pain for a large project.

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2021, 12:17 PM »
BTW, when i watched the video, there was a short segment showing them hand scribing the tenon stock to create glue lines.   This would be quite a pain for a large project.

Ya Bob, I saw that additional step as well.  [sad]

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2021, 12:20 PM »
One thing I noticed about the tenon stock is that the rounded contours are not grooved to provide pressure release for the glue in the mortise, unlike Festool stock. 

Seems that @Cheese and I had a similar thought...  (Great minds running in parallel...) 
« Last Edit: May 25, 2021, 12:23 PM by Sparktrician »
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2021, 12:22 PM »
Not for me as it can't do shelving/partitioning as the domino joiner. That shelving capability is a must for me as I no longer want to do dadoes.

Angled mortises with the DF500?

(Mine is the paddle version; the pin version will do louvers much simpler.)

Offline jussi

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2021, 12:32 PM »
Price seems a little high. A little more than 60% of domino basic.  If you’re going to spend that much why not get a far superior domino.

Offline JD2720

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2021, 12:45 PM »
I guess I'm more interested in what other types of tenon stock they'll be releasing.

That was my conclusion as well, interesting for thru tenons.

BTW, when i watched the video, there was a short segment showing them hand scribing the tenon stock to create glue lines.   This would be quite a pain for a large project.

Bob

They also show using the tenon stock for through tenons. You do not want grooves for that.

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2021, 12:49 PM »
Not for me as it can't do shelving/partitioning as the domino joiner. That shelving capability is a must for me as I no longer want to do dadoes.

Angled mortises with the DF500?

(Mine is the paddle version; the pin version will do louvers much simpler.)

I also have abandoned dadoes.  I have a CMT dedicated sheet goods dowel jig for sheets upto 30" wide.  It works fine for shelving and allows me to quickly drill on 32 mm centers if I want that number of dowels.  I am using 8mm dowels, but I could change that out to use 3/8".  I use their centering bit for drilling, but I could also use my plunge router to do the same.

Offline squall_line

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2021, 12:59 PM »

Angled mortises with the DF500?

(Mine is the paddle version; the pin version will do louvers much simpler.)

I'm assuming you just register the pins on either side of the stile and use that angle as your angle throughout, moving the piece a set distance for each new louver?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2021, 01:25 PM »
They also show using the tenon stock for through tenons. You do not want grooves for that.

You're right...otherwise they'll turn out like this. Small grooves on the flats & small grooves on the radiuses.  [sad]




However, they also suggest using their new tenon stock on through-mortises when using the Morty...I wonder how that will look as the Morty machines metric mortises using imperial router bits. There will be an elongated radius on the Morty mortise that will range from .018" on the 6 mm mortise to .097" on the 12 mm mortise.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2021, 01:27 PM by Cheese »

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2021, 02:51 PM »
I don't see it.  Undoubtedly nicely made. 

But I have a full-fledged mortising machine and a Delta tenon jig for my table saw, and combined they cost less than the Woodpeckers offering. 

I've used it more for decorative than functional purposes.  I made some saddle joints and cross-pinned them with 3/8" square dowels.  The mortising machine made quick  work of this and it adds a craftsman touch.  Since I was  using square dowels, this was about as hard as using a drill press. 

I would rather buy the tenon jig and mortise machine again than spend on that jig.  I would rather buy the beadlock jig at $39.00 than that jig. 

Nothing I've read here would persuade me make that purchase.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2021, 03:19 PM »

I'm assuming you just register the pins on either side of the stile and use that angle as your angle throughout, moving the piece a set distance for each new louver?

That's the principle with the pins. In execution, some used an index pin others a domino for registration such as this guy:



Because mine is the paddle version, I had to use a cradle jig.
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2021, 04:22 PM »
https://www.woodpeck.com/morty-loose-tenon-jig.html

The unit and a decent router (which most of us have already) isn’t way off from what a domino costs (if you could find one).


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I have never tried this, but it's similar to WP's in working principle:

https://www.canadianwoodworking.com/mortise-pal-plunge-router-mortising-jig

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2021, 12:20 PM »

However, they also suggest using their new tenon stock on through-mortises when using the Morty...I wonder how that will look as the Morty machines metric mortises using imperial router bits. There will be an elongated radius on the Morty mortise that will range from .018" on the 6 mm mortise to .097" on the 12 mm mortise.


The radius on the mortise does not come from the bit, it comes from the template/guide bushing combination. The bits are undersized to the finished mortise size and the difference between the bit and the bushing gives the proper width and end radius.  The fit of the tenon stock in both Morty and Domino mortises is pretty close to flawless...if you cut the mortise carefully. I groove the tenon stock starting about 1/8" behind the exposed end. While I used a mini-scraper in the video, in real life I use a carving tool...either a veiner or a vee-tool (whichever one I find first).

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2021, 12:38 PM »
The radius on the mortise does not come from the bit, it comes from the template/guide bushing combination. The bits are undersized to the finished mortise size and the difference between the bit and the bushing gives the proper width and end radius.  The fit of the tenon stock in both Morty and Domino mortises is pretty close to flawless...if you cut the mortise carefully.

Thanks Jeff...I should have seen that coming.  [embarassed]  That's a clever way to get the correct geometry.

Then answer me this, how do you provide 7 sizes while using only 4 guide bushings? One or more must be used in multiple set-ups.
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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2021, 01:25 PM »
One bushing does 3 sizes with 3 different bits. One does two sizes and then the last two do one each. To make it even more confusing, you only need 5 router bits to make 7 mortises.  [blink]

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2021, 07:31 PM »
I really like the center alignment ability for this.  The domino isn't awesome when you want the mortise perfectly centered on narrow stock

How so? There is a part in the set called "trim stop" that is specifically designed for that. It works vey well.
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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2021, 08:00 PM »
I really like the center alignment ability for this.  The domino isn't awesome when you want the mortise perfectly centered on narrow stock

How so? There is a part in the set called "trim stop" that is specifically designed for that. It works vey well.

The Domino joiner is such a versatile machine that its limit is not set by the machine, but by the ingenuity of the operator. Centered mortises on a stock's width, length or thickness can all be done as long as the user knows the trick or has the right accessories/fixtures. For example, this fixture (image) shared by someone in this forum somewhere improves the precision/repeatability of the Domino machine. To say that a (any) loose tenon jig is better than the Domino machine might suggest an insufficient understanding of the Domino machine or a lack of in-depth use of the machine or both.

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2021, 12:44 AM »
One thing I noticed about the tenon stock is that the rounded contours are not grooved to provide pressure release for the glue in the mortise, unlike Festool stock. 

Seems that @Cheese and I had a similar thought...  (Great minds running in parallel...)

Hey @Sparktrician just ran across this tonight...it's more like great minds running amok.  [poke]  Now I'm not necessarily talking about your great mind...but I am certainly talking about my great mind.  [smile]

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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2021, 07:43 AM »
One thing I noticed about the tenon stock is that the rounded contours are not grooved to provide pressure release for the glue in the mortise, unlike Festool stock. 

Seems that @Cheese and I had a similar thought...  (Great minds running in parallel...)

Hey @Sparktrician just ran across this tonight...it's more like great minds running amok.  [poke]  Now I'm not necessarily talking about your great mind...but I am certainly talking about my great mind.  [smile]

What is it they say, "birds of a feather..."?  Then again, it wouldn't be the first time I've been accused of going off the res...   [big grin]
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Re: Woodpeckers “Morty” loose tenon jig
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2021, 12:05 PM »
I really like the center alignment ability for this.  The domino isn't awesome when you want the mortise perfectly centered on narrow stock

How so? There is a part in the set called "trim stop" that is specifically designed for that. It works vey well.

The Domino joiner is such a versatile machine that its limit is not set by the machine, but by the ingenuity of the operator. Centered mortises on a stock's width, length or thickness can all be done as long as the user knows the trick or has the right accessories/fixtures. For example, this fixture (image) shared by someone in this forum somewhere improves the precision/repeatability of the Domino machine. To say that a (any) loose tenon jig is better than the Domino machine might suggest an insufficient understanding of the Domino machine or a lack of in-depth use of the machine or both.

I think that’s @Ola C in here.
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