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Offline Ajax

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What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« on: June 29, 2014, 02:00 AM »
For me it has to be the Incra Miter Express sled for my table saw along with the Incra 1000HD miter gauge.  I have $500 Craftsman table saw and the accuracy is okay, but not great.  The Incra sled and gauge have greatly improved the consistency and accuracy of the piece parts that go into the furniture that I build (mostly Craftsman style pieces with a lot of M&T joinery).     
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2014, 03:05 AM »
Bi-focals. I *wish* I were kidding...
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2014, 06:51 AM »
I think the combination of the MFT/3 and TS 55 is the game-changer for me.  The old chop saw is gathering dust (and not sawdust) now, and will be donated soon, once I spring for the Kapex. 

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Offline Throwback7r

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2014, 08:00 AM »
Funny enough the Guide rails. Almost, everything festool attaches to them and once you align them up they cut right where you have them set.

Offline Stoli

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2014, 08:38 AM »
Incra T-rule for me
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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2014, 08:43 AM »
Funny enough the Guide rails. Almost, everything festool attaches to them and once you align them up they cut right where you have them set.




Not funny at all and I totally agree.   [smile]

However this desire for total accuracy can do ones head in. This afternoon I was resizing some salvaged doors and worrying  about  approx 0.5mm descrepency between centre and ends of a 2040mm edge. Reset the rail join, all is well and tracksaw is halfway down the rails
  when the power fails.  [eek]

No power for two hours, so will return to it tomorrow.
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Offline Throwback7r

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2014, 08:59 AM »
Also, the Kapex UG Cart, with wings, that thing is great with the stops on it for making lots of cuts.. the Talmeter by hultafors is great as well it is basically a locking story stick.

Offline Tinker

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2014, 09:01 AM »
Bi-focals. I *wish* I were kidding...

For me, bifocals were more a beginning of the end for me.  I could no longer be comfortable walking on scaffolding.  I had problems seeing the line when laying brick and block.  I could no longer see plumb and level when setting corners or building chimneys and had to constantly use the levels for nearly every brick/block when setting those corners.

since getting back into woodworking, I think Festools guide rails along with the patience to cut twice and then measure >>> er ah>>> I may have that a little mixed up, but you get the idea.  ::)
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Offline GhostFist

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2014, 09:01 AM »
A tape measure and a folding rule

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2014, 10:04 AM »
Glasses!
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2014, 10:33 AM »
Leica A-8

Offline BMH

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2014, 10:48 AM »
It was an incremental process;
1-TS 55 and guide rail
2-Quality measurement tools: Festool tape and Woodpecker
3-Increase knowledge of the wood products I was using.

Offline Alan m

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2014, 11:06 AM »
the track saw has allowed me to go from close to the line to on the line and exactly a straight line

my dewalt laser line level  has really helped with leveling wainscotting, dado rails,ceiling joists ect
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Offline jacko9

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2014, 11:29 AM »
The Woodpeckers SG-WP Saw Gauge, it has allowed me to align my Table Saw top to the blade within .002" and also my fence to the same accuracy.  These adjustments allow me to rip and cross cut stock repeatably with the precision needed to use my Domino Joiner.

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Offline Alex

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2014, 12:43 PM »
Tape measure + marking with a box cutter.

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What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2014, 05:18 PM »
TS55 on the track for sawing and hoping that the Incra LS25 positioner I have waiting for assembly will do the same for routing on my CMS-OF/MFT-VL

Edit: Definitely the addition of the LS-positioner to my MFT-VL/MFT3/CMS-TS55 combination has been the greatest accuracy improvement to date. Loving the ability to sneak onto a perfect fit at 1/10 of a mm at a time if needed and bring able to dial back to exactly the same width directly as many time I wish repeatedly. Absolutely rock solid and repeatable.
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Offline Len

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2014, 01:23 PM »
I am in the camp with the "glasses" and "bi-focal" guys. Digital readouts have help me the most with accuracy.  Digital calipers, digital height gauge, digital readout on my tablesaw fence, digital angle finder.  I even have a digital clock.  I am darn near in the poor house from buying batteries.

Offline dpeagles

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2014, 03:05 PM »
For me the TS55 plus the accuracy of the mft/3 has helped tremendously.  The ole circular saw and speed square just wasn't ever really cutting it.  Pun intended.

Its funny, I used my track saw to cut the top off a 4x4 last week on a small deck.  Smoothest cut on the top of a post I have ever made.  Now thinking I need  the bigger track saw.

Offline RDMuller

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2014, 03:41 PM »
The Woodpeckers squares and triangle.  The eliminate guess work.  Instead of "I think I am close", it now is "Square" or "not square"

Offline cliffp

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2014, 04:10 PM »
Starrett and Woodpeckers squares and Incra rules
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2014, 06:22 PM »
For me the TS55 plus the accuracy of the mft/3 has helped tremendously.  The ole circular saw and speed square just wasn't ever really cutting it.  Pun intended.

Its funny, I used my track saw to cut the top off a 4x4 last week on a small deck.  Smoothest cut on the top of a post I have ever made.  Now thinking I need  the bigger track saw.

Sounds like a valid justification to me!
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Offline Rusty Miller

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2014, 08:55 AM »
Len,
Get some Eneloop batteries from Amazon.  The best rechargeable batteries out there. They will pay for themselves in no time.

Rusty

For me it was glasses also, hard to be accurate when you can't see the lines on the rule or tape.
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Offline grbmds

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2014, 11:17 AM »
Get some Eneloop batteries from Amazon.  The best rechargeable batteries out there. They will pay for themselves in no time.

Rusty


My accuracy improved greatly with digital measuring devices, including thickness gauges, a planer thickness gauge, height gauges (for router bit height), angle gauge, etc. It's not so much that they are as accurate as they are but these digital tools make me more conscious of accuracy. I also have been making recent use of Woodpecker's Story Sticks instead of measuring for repetitive lengths and widths. That takes one more area of human eye error out of the mix.

Batteries are a problem. Unfortunately I only find AA's, AAA's, C's, etc. on Amazon for eneloop batteries. These digital tools (at least all of mine) take watch/camera type batteries which, as far as I know, don't come as rechargeables.
Randy

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2014, 11:30 AM »
Get some Eneloop batteries from Amazon.  The best rechargeable batteries out there. They will pay for themselves in no time.

Rusty


My accuracy improved greatly with digital measuring devices, including thickness gauges, a planer thickness gauge, height gauges (for router bit height), angle gauge, etc. It's not so much that they are as accurate as they are but these digital tools make me more conscious of accuracy. I also have been making recent use of Woodpecker's Story Sticks instead of measuring for repetitive lengths and widths. That takes one more area of human eye error out of the mix.

Batteries are a problem. Unfortunately I only find AA's, AAA's, C's, etc. on Amazon for eneloop batteries. These digital tools (at least all of mine) take watch/camera type batteries which, as far as I know, don't come as rechargeables.


I'll second the Eneloop batteries. They are waaaay better than a couple others I have tried.


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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2014, 11:40 AM »
Len,
Get some Eneloop batteries from Amazon.  The best rechargeable batteries out there. They will pay for themselves in no time.

Rusty

For me it was glasses also, hard to be accurate when you can't see the lines on the rule or tape.

Rusty, thanks for the heads up on Eneloop.  New to me but I going to give them a try.

Offline Roseland

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2014, 01:15 PM »
Festool: Guide rails.

Non Festool: Incra T Ruler: http://www.incra.com/product_t-rules.htm

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2014, 02:00 PM »
Get some Eneloop batteries from Amazon.  The best rechargeable batteries out there. They will pay for themselves in no time.

Rusty


My accuracy improved greatly with digital measuring devices, including thickness gauges, a planer thickness gauge, height gauges (for router bit height), angle gauge, etc. It's not so much that they are as accurate as they are but these digital tools make me more conscious of accuracy. I also have been making recent use of Woodpecker's Story Sticks instead of measuring for repetitive lengths and widths. That takes one more area of human eye error out of the mix.

Batteries are a problem. Unfortunately I only find AA's, AAA's, C's, etc. on Amazon for eneloop batteries. These digital tools (at least all of mine) take watch/camera type batteries which, as far as I know, don't come as rechargeables.


I'll second the Eneloop batteries. They are waaaay better than a couple others I have tried.


Seth

Do they sell 2032 watch/camera type batteries that are rechargeable? I didn't see any on Amazon. I have found that I have the most problem with these batteries which is what is in most of my digital measuring devices. I think it's mostly because they don't get constant use and just sit between uses. Even the devices which seem to have incorporated decent sleep features still die relatively quickly.
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2014, 02:26 PM »
Do they sell 2032 watch/camera type batteries that are rechargeable? I didn't see any on Amazon. I have found that I have the most problem with these batteries which is what is in most of my digital measuring devices. I think it's mostly because they don't get constant use and just sit between uses. Even the devices which seem to have incorporated decent sleep features still die relatively quickly.

I used to use a digital caliper from Harbor Freight and if you listened carefully, you could hear it munch on batteries.  I swear it was a weekly thing to swap out the batteries, which is why I bought them by half dozen.

I later replaced it with a Mitsutoyo digital caliper and have had the same battery for over 3 years and have left it 'on' with display many times for a couple days.  Granted the cost of a Mitsutoyo caliper vs a HF caliper can buy a lot of batteries.

When John Economaki was picking a caliper to use in the AMPv2 angle finder, he tested a bunch of quality brands.  All the quality brands had the repeatable accuracy needed, but only the Mitsutoyo Absolute had the battery life.  That's why I got it. 
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2014, 02:52 PM »
    What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
Without a doubt the CNC router  [big grin]

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2014, 03:12 PM »
Do they sell 2032 watch/camera type batteries that are rechargeable? I didn't see any on Amazon. I have found that I have the most problem with these batteries which is what is in most of my digital measuring devices. I think it's mostly because they don't get constant use and just sit between uses. Even the devices which seem to have incorporated decent sleep features still die relatively quickly.

I used to use a digital caliper from Harbor Freight and if you listened carefully, you could hear it munch on batteries.  I swear it was a weekly thing to swap out the batteries, which is why I bought them by half dozen.

I later replaced it with a Mitsutoyo digital caliper and have had the same battery for over 3 years and have left it 'on' with display many times for a couple days.  Granted the cost of a Mitsutoyo caliper vs a HF caliper can buy a lot of batteries.

When John Economaki was picking a caliper to use in the AMPv2 angle finder, he tested a bunch of quality brands.  All the quality brands had the repeatable accuracy needed, but only the Mitsutoyo Absolute had the battery life.  That's why I got it. 
I guess that means no rechargeable watch/camera type batteries?
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2014, 01:42 AM »
I guess I have nearly every Woodpeckers measuring device they sell and a full compliment of Starrett stuff, but my biggest accuracy improvement has come from the use of jigs, story sticks, and trial pieces that are subsequently used for set-ups. I simply don't measure much any more.

For example, I just made 8 identical benches out of Ipe. I spent more time building the cutting jigs and the drilling jigs than anything else. The jigs eliminated the need to measure as I cut and drilled the pieces. Ditto for making the Domino mortises. If you don't measure, you don't make measurement errors. Having all the pieces the same speeds assembly.

I'd also credit simple blue tape and a Marks-a-lot for reducing mistakes. Every piece of every bench was labeled as it was cut as to which bench it was for and its orientation on the bench.results..... No "oops" parts.

I also build a prototype for the bigger projects.  Nothing exposes an error in the drawing or process planning for a piece faster than reducing the the plan to wood. I will use a very nice grade of pine for the prototype. The prototype gives the client something real to see and feel. Design changes occur then rather than after all the production pieces are built.

I'm a tool junkie so I've got all the electronic stuff, and the super accurate squares and I do use them, but it is mostly to set up the machines and build jigs and story sticks.

  
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2014, 02:22 AM »
Repeatable patterns are a key to uniform quality. Even using the same measuring device is better than risking several different ones - variations do happen.

Developing a "production methodology" with jigs makes perfect sense ... particularly when you reuse them over time. Some business models core value is their range of templates, jigs, patterns, etc.

I think it's the natural evolution in efficiency.

Offline TheWarrior

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2014, 08:32 AM »
^ I appreciate that Kev!

I'd have to say for me its the use of a precision straight edge. That helped me to start working comfortable in 1/32 and 1/64. It is my hope that the TS55 thats on its way to me will add to that while combining great efficiency!

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2014, 09:08 AM »
Do they sell 2032 watch/camera type batteries that are rechargeable? I didn't see any on Amazon. I have found that I have the most problem with these batteries which is what is in most of my digital measuring devices. I think it's mostly because they don't get constant use and just sit between uses. Even the devices which seem to have incorporated decent sleep features still die relatively quickly.

Funny that they don't die all that quickly when used in watches...

I just did a Google search for "2032 rechargable" and came up with a few hits right away.

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2014, 10:40 AM »
I did look also. I'm trying to figure out, over time, whether the number of batteries used justifies the cost of the charging device and higher cost of the batteries. It's one of those puzzles which doesn't seem to have a single answer and depends on some factors that are variable. Recently I noticed that the 2032 in my digital thickness gauge (caliper) seem to have been lasting much longer. The worst one was the Wixey planer gauge, but Wixey fixed the initial problem and offered an inexpensive upgrade. Again, these seem to be lasting longer now too. The cost justification isn't as easy to determine, but I appreciate your input.
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2014, 07:13 AM »
I have had a couple of battery powered measuring tools.  I get a couple of uses out of them and the battery goes dead.  By the time find a place that has the batteries, i have spent more in the search than I spent for the original tool.  I have quit reaching for the bat operated and gone back to the old fashioned, and reliable, that I have, mostly from my father.  I don't think I know anybody who worked with more precision than him. I don't have the patience for quite the precision that he worked with, so the non battery measuring is ok with me.  Besides, there is always expansion and contraction with any wood project.  Paying close attention to that I think is as important, or more important than measuring to the .001mm. No matter what measuring tool I use, I don't think i ever get that close. [huh]
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2014, 09:11 AM »
I no longer leave the batteries in my measuring devices, most reasonably priced electronics allow too much voltage bleed through their switching.  My batteries now last years.

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2014, 09:20 AM »
I'm with the Woodpeckers 1281 square... The TS55 and especially its guides make everything much better.

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2014, 09:34 AM »
I'm going to go with the various clamps. If nothing else I have learned how important clamping items to work on them is by using the Festool system.

Tom

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2014, 10:00 AM »
Incra flexible rules and their micro adjustable fence. [smile]
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2014, 10:15 AM »

Incra flexible rules and their micro adjustable fence. [smile]

I just grabbed me some of those recently
It shows u real quickly how off your lines were without it, too bad the dollar store have .5mm mechanical pencils, Lol

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2014, 11:38 AM »
I used to use a digital caliper from Harbor Freight and if you listened carefully, you could hear it munch on batteries.  I swear it was a weekly thing to swap out the batteries, which is why I bought them by half dozen.

I later replaced it with a Mitsutoyo digital caliper and have had the same battery for over 3 years and have left it 'on' with display many times for a couple days.  Granted the cost of a Mitsutoyo caliper vs a HF caliper can buy a lot of batteries.

When John Economaki was picking a caliper to use in the AMPv2 angle finder, he tested a bunch of quality brands.  All the quality brands had the repeatable accuracy needed, but only the Mitsutoyo Absolute had the battery life.  That's why I got it.


Tip:  Be sure to get silver oxide replacement cells (SR44 or 357) and not alkaline (LR44)... they last far longer.
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Offline grbmds

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2014, 11:47 AM »
Thanks for the information. I have an older digital caliper and I don't think the battery is the one you indicate. Maybe it would be best to replace it with a newer version - the Mitsutoyo - even though more expensive.
Randy

Offline Grasshopper

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2014, 09:57 AM »
I have been considering getting the Incra T-Ruler. 

Could this double as a suitable T-Square (and replace say a Woodpeckers T-Square)?


Festool: Guide rails.

Non Festool: Incra T Ruler: http://www.incra.com/product_t-rules.htm

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2014, 10:49 AM »
I have been considering getting the Incra T-Ruler. 

Could this double as a suitable T-Square (and replace say a Woodpeckers T-Square)?


Festool: Guide rails.

Non Festool: Incra T Ruler: http://www.incra.com/product_t-rules.htm

Andrew


   Yes, and no.  I have and use both. I find that sometimes the flexibility and thin edge of the Incra can be a problem when sliding it along. It can catch on small rough spots. And I prefer being able to use a thicker pencil lead especially on coarse grained wood such as oak (.9mm is perfect fit for the Woodpeckers).  But on the other hand the Incra  goes to 64ths. The longer Woodpeckers  are 16ths and the short ones are 32nds. The Incra can be useful when you need to offset the 'T' to get the rule up against an adjoining piece or other obstacle. Overall I prefer the Woodpeckers for most of the work I do, but I have a 3" and 6" Incra that get used on occasion. 

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2014, 10:52 AM »
    For me , what has improved my accuracy the most is having measuring tools that are A). accurate and B). "sync up" to each other. In other words the rule I am using has a scale that matches up to the square, etc. So I can actually interchange measuring and layout tools without building in error.

Seth
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Offline grbmds

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2014, 01:37 PM »
I have been considering getting the Incra T-Ruler. 

Could this double as a suitable T-Square (and replace say a Woodpeckers T-Square)?


Festool: Guide rails.

Non Festool: Incra T Ruler: http://www.incra.com/product_t-rules.htm

Andrew
If you mean the steel flexible Incra t rulers sold in varying lengths they are great for some things. The holes are meant for .5 mm lead and lead that thin breaks too easily unless you are very cafeful not to press too hard on wood.
Randy

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2014, 01:59 PM »
That makes sense. Thanks for the reply.
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2014, 02:40 PM »
I have had a couple different sizes for a long time and do still use them. I use Woodpecker's Pro Story Stick more instead of measuring sinc I've gotten that tool. That is much better when tryjng to fit parts..
Randy

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2014, 03:30 PM »
Good tip. I've considered the story stick.

I have had a couple different sizes for a long time and do still use them. I use Woodpecker's Pro Story Stick more instead of measuring sinc I've gotten that tool. That is much better when tryjng to fit parts..
Aspiring DIY'er (hence the name "grasshopper" as I am looking to learn from all the masters on the FOG)- TS 55, OF 1400, MFT/3, VS600 Dovetail Jig, MFS700+ MFS2000 extension profiles, Kapex, Kapex UG set, T12 Li set(x2), CT22, Domino, Carvex, RO90, RO150, MFK700, CMS-VL, Qwas super pack & Cool Wife.

Offline Zacharytanner

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2014, 03:34 PM »
+1 for story stick
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2014, 03:48 PM »
mft3/ts55 easily! no guess work cut with confidence.
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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2014, 04:03 PM »
Woodpeckers one time tool 600mm square
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Offline Brent Taylor

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2014, 08:50 PM »
Wixey's digital angle gauge or the cube for short.

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2014, 01:16 AM »
On the big side the MFT
On the small daily side oddly enough a very small not so big deal tool, the woodpecker model 640 square.
The small size makes it perfect for accurate lines on small items such as handrails, trims, etc.; small stuff that I would normally just eyeball.
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Offline charley1968

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2014, 01:32 AM »
Guide rail. Mechanical pen 0,5mm. Soon come: glasses :(
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Offline shed9

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2014, 03:26 PM »
A decent carpenters square that is user resettable. It's shocking how many brands are out of true straight out the box.

Strangely I'm finding glasses are actually a hindrance to me these days as my eyesight is actually improving with age and I find myself taking them off all the time to make measurements.

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Re: What tool/device has improved your accuracy the most?
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2014, 03:39 PM »
Hehe. With age comes far-sightedness...i do agree.
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