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Offline TinyShop

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2022, 07:08 PM »
@squall_line - it's literally the First Nation accepted place name for N. America (and nowhere else).

As for the remainder of your comment, has it ever occurred to you that things are not always as they appear (to you)? I encourage you to open your mind and consider your fellow FOG'er, the person who visits this site to learn something. As it currently stands, Festool owners in Europe and countries that European retailers will ship to can't answer the basic question of whether or not these components are compatible with each other. My guess is that most have no idea of the possible potential that exists as it relates to what we're discussing here. That would annoy me. I'm just trying to do those folks a favor (some of whom are my friends and family BTW) and provide something of worth on this forum for posterity.

That's the spirit that this forum operates on. Just ask Bob D. Before reading this thread he had no idea that his tool could be modified per instructions provided by the manufacturer to allow him to potentially take advantage of of this enhanced use. Where would he be had others of us kept mum and/or refused to ask basic questions? I just don't get the small world provincial approach you're advocating for.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2022, 07:14 PM by TinyShop »
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Online MikeGE

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2022, 07:39 PM »
@squall_line - it's literally the First Nation accepted place name for N. America (and nowhere else).

As for the remainder of your comment, has it ever occurred to you that things are not always as they appear (to you)? I encourage you to open your mind and consider your fellow FOG'er, the person who visits this site to learn something. As it currently stands, Festool owners in Europe and countries that European retailers will ship to can't answer the basic question of whether or not these components are compatible with each other. My guess is that most have no idea of the possible potential that exists as it relates to what we're discussing here. That would annoy me. I'm just trying to do those folks a favor (some of whom are my friends and family BTW) and provide something of worth on this forum for posterity.

That's the spirit that this forum operates on. Just ask Bob D. Before reading this thread he had no idea that his tool could be modified per instructions provided by the manufacturer to allow him to potentially take advantage of of this enhanced use. Where would he be had others of us kept mum and/or refused to ask basic questions? I just don't get the small world provincial approach you're advocating for.

As a European resident, I don't need or want anyone researching product compatibility for me.  I am capable of doing this on my own without invoking a "piss off" response from vendors or manufacturers.  I suspect many of my fellow European woodworkers are capable of doing this as well.  This might come as a surprise to you, but the TSO Products, Woodpeckers, and Incremental Tools product lines have been available through European vendors for a while, so we don't have to ponder on compatibility or be concerned that we are missing out.

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Offline TinyShop

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2022, 07:55 PM »
OK, let's try something different.

Referencing earlier threads, specifically this, this and this one, I'd love to know, now that some time has passed, how the technique of installing a GRS-16 PE to the MFT/3 hinge bracket and, more specifically, installing a single TSO parallel guide to the GRS-16 PE when it's installed on the MFT/3 hinge bracket (in place of a fixed fence system) has treated any and/or all of the folks who have experimented with an/or permanently deployed this technique. I'd love to hear especially from @Ivan T @mattbyington @jobsworth @Bugsysiegals, @broseiden and @08G8V8.

It appears that some of you ended up going with Dash Board's hinge and/or other third party fences, etc. Did any of you stick with the TSO method? If so, why? And how's it been treating you?
« Last Edit: January 19, 2022, 01:27 AM by TinyShop »
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2022, 08:09 PM »
@squall_line - it's literally the First Nation accepted place name for N. America (and nowhere else).

As for the remainder of your comment, has it ever occurred to you that things are not always as they appear (to you)? I encourage you to open your mind and consider your fellow FOG'er, the person who visits this site to learn something. As it currently stands, Festool owners in Europe and countries that European retailers will ship to can't answer the basic question of whether or not these components are compatible with each other. My guess is that most have no idea of the possible potential that exists as it relates to what we're discussing here. That would annoy me. I'm just trying to do those folks a favor (some of whom are my friends and family BTW) and provide something of worth on this forum for posterity.

That's the spirit that this forum operates on. Just ask Bob D. Before reading this thread he had no idea that his tool could be modified per instructions provided by the manufacturer to allow him to potentially take advantage of of this enhanced use. Where would he be had others of us kept mum and/or refused to ask basic questions? I just don't get the small world provincial approach you're advocating for.

As a European resident, I don't need or want anyone researching product compatibility for me.  I am capable of doing this on my own without invoking a "piss off" response from vendors or manufacturers.  I suspect many of my fellow European woodworkers are capable of doing this as well.  This might come as a surprise to you, but the TSO Products, Woodpeckers, and Incremental Tools product lines have been available through European vendors for a while, so we don't have to ponder on compatibility or be concerned that we are missing out.

Please continue to tip at windmills if that gives you pleasure, but don't do it on my behalf.

Great! All the more reason we (and I mean the collective "we") should want to get to the bottom of this compatibility issue. I'm sure folks like you would be interested to know if they could save a few Euros by choosing the Festool-branded guide rail square over the original TSO version and then going with TSO's TPG. Were the roles reversed I know I'd appreciate knowing if this was possible.
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

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Online MikeGE

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2022, 08:19 PM »
Great! All the more reason we (and I mean the collective "we") should want to get to the bottom of this compatibility issue. I'm sure folks like you would be interested to know if they could save a few Euros by choosing the Festool-branded guide rail square over the original TSO version and then going with TSO's TPG. Were the roles reversed I know I'd appreciate knowing if this was possible.

No thank you.  I'm good with what I have and the question of compatibility does not apply to me.




For what it's worth, I also have the Dashboard Guide Rail Bracket on my MFT-style workbench.  I would never consider using the GRS-16(PE) and parallel guide in conjunction with the FS guide rail.  I would consider using the TSO Products TPG Adapter and parallel guide, but in the past year I have not needed it because the fence and stop block works so much better.


« Last Edit: January 18, 2022, 08:28 PM by MikeGE »

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2022, 07:48 AM »
OK, let's try something different.

Referencing earlier threads, specifically this, this and this one, I'd love to know, now that some time has passed, how the technique of installing a GRS-16 PE to the MFT/3 hinge bracket and, more specifically, installing a single TSO parallel guide to the GRS-16 PE when it's installed on the MFT/3 hinge bracket (in place of a fixed fence system) has treated any and/or all of the folks who have experimented with an/or permanently deployed this technique. I'd love to hear especially from @Ivan T @mattbyington @jobsworth @Bugsysiegals, @broseiden and @08G8V8.

It appears that some of you ended up going with Dash Board's hinge and/or other third party fences, etc. Did any of you stick with the TSO method? If so, why? And how's it been treating you?

@TinyShop Thank you for putting forth a more reasonable request  [wink]

Not tagged but I was one of the first to try it out. While it does work, it adds a bit of weight/heft to the whole mechanism and is a bit too cumbersome to me. It wasn't worth the tradeoff. When I'm cutting sheets I want to be able to push the sheet firm against the fence and stop before lowering the guide rail. You can't do that when the fence is mounted to the guide rail via the GRS-16.

 I now use a Dashboard bracket with the stock MFT fence mounted using Fence Dogs from benchdogs.co.uk on a TrackTubes top. With this setup what I've found is I can take the fence off and put it back on and everything is still square. I check it just to make sure with a TSO MTR-18 and the two tall pins that are included with the kit.





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Offline Vondawg

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2022, 07:50 AM »
I’m a no thank you as well….and let’s not try this another way..too much at this point
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Offline 08G8V8

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2022, 09:12 AM »
 I’ve tried a few different setups. I started out just making the top using the Parf Guide but found out my hole pattern wasn’t exactly square.

I then bought the BenchdogsUK fence, which was good, but I had issues recalibrating the fence if I moved or removed the track. Not a huge issue, but took more time than I wanted.

I then tried using the TSO guide and parallel rail on my Dashboard setup, and used it for awhile, but decided I like the fence system better.

So, I ordered a section of Incra fence, and machined it under the track like MikeGE and others have done. I really like this setup. Especially since it is removable if I need access to the entire bench, but it is also micro-adjustable if it gets slightly off do to removing/moving.






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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2022, 11:23 AM »
@TinyShop

 I dont use my GRS and PGs on the hinge anymore. I find it just as easy/accurate w/o using the hinge

Offline Bertotti

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2022, 12:12 PM »
I am glad for the link to the template at TSO.  must be dense because I was wondering why to attach it to the mft pivot. Now I see.
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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2022, 12:59 PM »
So, @TSO_Products, can I infer then from your above explanation that the FS-WA/90 is fully compatible with TSO's "TPG Parallel Guide System" and that it (the FS-WA/90) also provides the same functionality (the functionality which allows the GRS-16 PE to mount to the MFT/3 guide rail hinge bracket) when used in conjunction with the MFT/3?

@TinyShop - help me understand which country are you located in?
In response to your question: The FS-WA/90 made by FESTOOL in Germany under license from TSO is functionally equivalent in every respect to our USA made GRS-16 PE Guide Rail Square.

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2022, 03:57 PM »
@TinyShop : has TSO answered your question?
 if not, let us know by emailing directly to

info@tsoproducts.com

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Offline TinyShop

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Re: What are these additional holes on TSO GRS-16PE?
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2022, 06:40 PM »
@TinyShop : has TSO answered your question?
 if not, let us know by emailing directly to

info@tsoproducts.com

attention Hans

Thanks Hans! I just knew you would come through. :)

So, yes, that answers my primary question.

My other question, which requested some insight on whether or not your customers are adopting the technique of installing the guide rail square on the MFT/3 hinge, was responded to by some existing customers of yours (folks I tagged). So, I think I'm good there too. In short, I'm now planning to pursue the technique myself since I think it will pay dividends in my work flow. I just wish I hadn't overlooked it until now.

Thanks again!
« Last Edit: January 22, 2022, 06:54 PM by TinyShop »
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n], Festool RAS 115 (DE) [n]

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