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GENERAL DISCUSSIONS => Other Tools & Accessories => Topic started by: Steven in Iowa on June 25, 2007, 07:13 AM

Title: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Steven in Iowa on June 25, 2007, 07:13 AM
Has anyone found these for sale online in the USA?  After seeing the pictures of the sawing table posted here, I've looked for them, but can't find anybody that stocks the item.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Kevcoleman on June 25, 2007, 08:39 AM
Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-0985329-9942315?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=triton+multistand) sells them and has a pretty good price as well but a long lead time. I have two on order.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: JP on June 25, 2007, 12:48 PM
Triton's website lists Woodcraft as a dealer.  I checked with the local Woodcraft affiliate in Rockville, MD and they called Triton for me.  Triton was willing to send them one for the price of $59.95 with no shipping charge and Woodcraft didn't indicate that they would mark them up.  I am not sure how long it would take to get them though.  I ended up ordering on Amazon for $42 a piece and free shipping but I probably won't see them until sometime in August.

I would say if your in a hurry, see if your local dealer can get them for you.  If not, go with Amazon.

As an aside, go Hawks.  I spent several years in Iowa City at their local trade school.  Earned myself a nice engineering degree.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: NWW_08 on June 25, 2007, 01:21 PM
I ordered two from Amazon after seeing it posted here. Received them in about a week or so, much earlier than the estimate posted on Amazon.

I have not used them before, but they look well built and very functional.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: polarsea1 on June 26, 2007, 02:54 AM
After seeing how useful they are I ordered two of them from Amazon also.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: SRSemenza on June 26, 2007, 03:25 PM
    Just a thought - if these are somewhat hard to come by perhaps a regular support stand could modified with a tilting head using some sort of clamps.

Seth
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Kevcoleman on June 29, 2007, 10:52 AM
I just got mine today.  Very useful.  The best part is they fold up quit small.  It came in a box about 3 by 3 by 30 inches.  Much easier to store than the plastic saw horses I have
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Curtis on June 29, 2007, 03:42 PM
Like everyone I saw this in the gallery (great new feature BTW).  I also interested in this.  How solid are two stands?  Does it hold up to cutting with circular saws? Or Routing?

Thanks,
Curtis
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Corwin on June 30, 2007, 12:19 AM
... How solid are two stands?  Does it hold up to cutting with circular saws? Or Routing?

Thanks,
Curtis

While the twins do eliminate all the grunt work in placing full sheets on the cutting table, the head unit can slip if not fully tightened -- and maybe a little even if it is tight.  But if you've tightened it and it slips, it does so in a slow and smooth mannor rather than crashing down.  Simply placing something with a little weight to it on the opposite side has worked for me thus far.  If this is a problem for you, a support leg or hold-down strap should be all that is needed.

I am glad that some have found the review and photos of interest.  Sorry I did not have the time to provide a better presentation, but since that would have been 'till next year I elected to post them at this time.  Now I will expect to see a few Multi-Stand uses and fixtures from some of you in the near future!

Corwin
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Jim Dailey on June 30, 2007, 07:21 AM
Corwin & for those currently using the Triton Multistand...

Question;  since the head pivots, would this allow either with the addition of a cross piece or "out of the box" to allow a 4 x 8 sheet to go from a vertical to horizontal position? 

Thanks,
jim
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Groggy on June 30, 2007, 07:58 AM
If you are concerned about them tilting in use (which mine never have - I do tighten them properly though) set them so that if they *do* happen to come loose, then each stand is aimed to fail in opposite directions, thus minimising any consequences.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: bill-e on June 30, 2007, 08:27 AM
I may have some Triton stuff coming for review so I'll post links when I complete the reviews.  I don't know if this is one of the items or not but I can take any questions and get answers directly from Triton USA if you have them.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Steven in Iowa on June 30, 2007, 09:04 AM
If you're going to be reviewing some Triton products, ask them when their products are going to be more widely available in the USA.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: bill-e on June 30, 2007, 09:29 AM
If you're going to be reviewing some Triton products, ask them when their products are going to be more widely available in the USA.
Steve, as in more of their product line or more on-hand stock?

I think what has happened recently is that the FWW article which highly rated their 2.25hp router caused and huge increase in interest in their products, depleting US stock.

BTW, July 1st Triton starts a promotion where you can get their 3.6v lithium driver free if you buy certain tools, which include the Superjaws, 3.25hp router, hand planer, respirator and a couple of others.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Forrest Anderson on June 30, 2007, 11:40 AM
Corwin & for those currently using the Triton Multistand...
Question;  since the head pivots, would this allow either with the addition of a cross piece or "out of the box" to allow a 4 x 8 sheet to go from a vertical to horizontal position? 

I have two Triton Multistands here in the UK, and have used them mainly with a B&D Workmate to provide left and right supports for cutting 16ft 4"x2", and 6"x1" planks on an SCMS when building a fence. They are particularly suitable for this purpose because unlike regular ball/roller supports, they have three legs to give them stability on uneven ground. Once the legs are firmly planted (and since they have holes in them, they can be pegged to the ground), the head can then be raised or lowered to make it the same height as the saw table, and then tilted to make it level. The head only tilts in one direction though, so quite often you have to rotate the head (not the whole stand) it so that it tilts the right way.

Because the head can also grip thick timber, it is also possible to construct tables with a batten on the bottom. The batten is firmly held in the head, and the head can then be tilted so that the table is level. A simple application would be to make a small table to hold tools. You could expand this idea by creating a larger table out of ply, and screwing two battens on the bottom. If you grip the battens with two Multistands, then you could have a large adjustable-height table that tilted through 90 degrees. If you screwed a lip to one edge of the table, you could then put the table into the vertical position, load a sheet of ply etc onto it (resting on the lip), and then tilt the combined table and sheet into a horizontal position. Instead of a solid table top, you could easily create a tilting framework to hold your sheet material, like Corwin has done.

The Triton Video (http://www.triton.com.au/documents/download.php?id=118) shows some of the many uses for the Multistand. Although the video is of rather poor quality, the stands are well built. I would not use them for hand planing or hammering, but it would be quite possible to use a router or circular saw.

There is also a review at http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/tritonmultistand.htm which has some detailed photos.

I would have no hesitation in buying more - I find them extremely handy, and keep thinking of new uses for them. In fact, I think I'm going to make myself a mobile tool table right now...

Forrest

Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Brice Burrell on June 30, 2007, 11:47 AM
Thanks Forrest, as always your posts are full of great info.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Corwin on June 30, 2007, 10:16 PM
Looks like you guys are getting the idea with these stands.  Again, I am sorry I did not offer a better review, but here you are starting to fill-in the blanks.   I think these stands are the cat's pajamas, so to speak, and just wanted to share their potential with you... 

These stands will certainly do a fine job replacing any cumbersome roller stands you may have -- they sure work for me!.  Beyond that, the clamp and tilt feature of the head unit (or whatever they might call it) offer a lot of possible uses.  With so many discussions on how to cut full-sized sheet goods, I thought that showing the stands with the cutting table would illustrate both -- and then there's the skates...  This arrangement does work very nicely for cutting full sized material -- that was my whole point.  My responce to the slippage question was just my attempt to answer the question.  Had it been an issue, I might have pictured the Multi-Stand supporting a table extension for the MFT instead of showing the cutting table.

Corwin
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: bill-e on July 06, 2007, 11:15 AM
I was just in contact with Triton and they informed me that the only place stocking Multi Stands (for a few weeks now) is Amazon.com.

If you ordered from Amazon before and had them canceled for being out of stock that should not be the case if you reorder now.

Oops, I just checked and they're out of stock on Amazon as well.  Perhaps you should "watch" this item.

Additionally any retailer who sells Triton stuff (Woodcraft, Woodworkers Supply,
Rockler Hardware or Highland Hardware) can order the Multi Stand for you.

Sorry I can be of more help.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Corwin on July 06, 2007, 06:38 PM
Hmmm, my second set of stands just arrived today.  And there is good news --- this second set of twins came with their own new shoes so no more sliding around on the concrete for these two.  Even nicer, the stands now come with the washers already in place making them easier to assemble.  Good job Triton!!!  Check them out:

(http://www.festoolownersgroup.com/CoppermineMain/albums/userpics/Triton_MultiStand_006.JPG)

That's one of my new stands on the right.  The new shoes look like they'll last tell they get a lot older.  Now, I'll be looking into getting some new shoes for the older twins.

Rather liking my new camera too!  Last camera, well, you've probably notice those orangish looking shots -- now a thing of the past.

Corwin
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Jeff K on July 06, 2007, 08:06 PM
Am I right to assume that Triton is being held hostage by UL and can not sell all it's products in the United States?  It sure feels good to know that a private entity is looking out for my safety.

Jeff K
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: bill-e on July 06, 2007, 09:24 PM
Am I right to assume that Triton is being held hostage by UL and can not sell all it's products in the United States?  It sure feels good to know that a private entity is looking out for my safety.

Jeff K
Jeff,

No, I think it has more to do with cant keep the shelves stocked.  Triton has been selling a number of products here for a few years including their portable router table, routers, drill, respirator etc.  The are introducing about 4 new electrical products right now.  The popularity of the 2.25hp router has spilled over to a number of their other products and I believe they are just having trouble keeping up with demand.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Jeff K on July 06, 2007, 09:29 PM
Bill-e
What about the Workcentre 2000; is it available in the US?  Looks very interesting.

Jeff K
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Steven in Iowa on July 07, 2007, 12:39 AM
Since I started all this chatter, I thought I'd give an update.  I ordered 2 of the MSA200 stands from Amazon last week.  When I ordered, it said they had 2 in stock.  When I got my confirmation email it stated the ship date as December 6 so I emailed them back to find out what the heck? Here is what they replied:

"Thank you for writing to us at Amazon.com. Unfortunately, when we contacted our supplier, we learned that Triton MSA200 Multi-Stand is no longer available.  Therefore, this item has been cancelled from your order. Your credit card has not been charged for the item, as our policy is to charge for items at the time of shipment. I apologize for this inconvenience. Until recently we still hoped to be able to obtain this item for you.   

We make a significant effort to keep abreast of prices and availabilities, but our reliance on our suppliers for information about the items they offer means that, occasionally, our database will not reflect all changes.

Again, we are very sorry for any disappointment this has caused. Please know that we value your business and hope to see you again soon at Amazon.com."


Well not to be put off my hunt, I called Triton and they were appalled to say the least.  They told me they have been shipping Multistands to Amazon for the last 5 weeks and they'd find out what the issue was and get back to me.  I'll give you an update when I hear back from them.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: bill-e on July 07, 2007, 08:34 AM
Bill-e
What about the Workcentre 2000; is it available in the US?  Looks very interesting.

Jeff K
Jeff, doesn't look like it is.

However their new North American catalog (http://www.tritonwoodworking.com/tritontools/north_american_catalogue.pdf) shows a Powered Saw Table.....hmm, wonder if the TS55 will fit (edit: Oh wait, no way to lock the plunge)...even has dust collection on the guard :)

(http://cerealport.homeip.net/pics/poweredsawtable.jpg)
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Matthew Schenker on July 07, 2007, 02:02 PM
Bill-e,
Thanks for posting a link to the Triton catalog.  I found a few very interesting items in there.  One is the Multistand, which we've discussed here.

I'm also curious about the "Superjaws," which appear on page 8 of the catalog.  I'd love a better way to do clamping.  Does anyone own these?

Here's a view of the Superjaws:
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And here are the specs, which seem pretty impressive:
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Thanks,
Matthew
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: bill-e on July 08, 2007, 08:11 PM
Matthew,

Yea, the Superjaws looks handy as well though I've not seen them up close yet. 
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Forrest Anderson on July 09, 2007, 12:24 AM
I'm also curious about the "Superjaws," which appear on page 8 of the catalog.  I'd love a better way to do clamping.  Does anyone own these?

The Superjaws is based on the Elu MSB93...

(http://i1.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a8/2a/8047_1.JPG)

When made by Triton, it was marketed in two different versions - the SJA001...

(http://www.buckandryan.co.uk/images/31519_frontpage.jpg)

...and the SJA200...

(http://www.triton.com.au/images/183_t.jpg)

The most obvious difference is the cross-bracing of the legs at ground level, which was removed to give better stability on uneven ground. There are also quite a lot of less-obvious differences, and the Superjaws has had many design improvements over the years, often to correct small problems reported by users.

Apart from a reputation for attacking users in the early models, where the leg lever could hit you in the shins very painfully if you weren't concentrating, owners tend to love them, and they are well-respected for their versatility and strength. Like the Multistands, owners find many different ways in which they can be put to use, and extra jaws for holding logs and for metalworking are available. Indeed, holding logs safely whilst using a chainsaw is one of the major applications, but they can often be found at trade shows as part of the display set-up.

There is a video (http://www.triton.com.au/documents/download.php?id=122) of the Superjaws in use, and you can see a door being held vertically by one corner. Although you wouldn't want to work on a door held like that, it does demonstrate how stable the tripod design is.

A well-illustrated comparison between Triton's two models can be found at http://www.raygirling.com/sjcomp.htm and the author has more excellent photos of Triton equipment at http://www.raygirling.com/workctr.htm

There is an excellent review of the newer-model SJA200 at http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/tritonsuperjaws.htm and the author's listing of tool reviews at http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/toolreviewindex.htm will keep you busy for ages!

Forrest




Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: bill-e on July 10, 2007, 03:21 PM
Bill-e
What about the Workcentre 2000; is it available in the US?  Looks very interesting.

Jeff K

Because of the lack of US support for previous versions imported, Triton will not be bringing any of the tables into the US market.

As for the catalog, only the items available on the http://tritonwoodworking.com website are available in the US.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Ray Newman on July 11, 2007, 12:44 AM
Colleagues: thanks for the info in this thread. I've seen a few references to this unit, but never really took note of it.

Now it looks like it will have more than a few uses in my shop.

"Have-ta" give WoodCraft a call in the AM....
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: James Metcalf on July 14, 2007, 10:44 PM
I had a notice last week from Amazon that two Triton MSA200 Multi-Stands that I ordered would be shipped in December and did I want to cancel order? Today I get a notice from Amazon that two Triton MSA200 Multi-Stands have shipped. We shall see. Today Amazon's site shows not available.Any body home? :)
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Eli on July 14, 2007, 11:14 PM
They've apparently been using pretty much all the mentioned products here in Australia for a while. I was recently introduced to them, having only heard of their router line before I moved. Here's a user forum link.
http://www.woodworkforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: bill-e on July 14, 2007, 11:30 PM
Kinda off topic but interesting

http://www.tritonfoundation.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=42
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Eli on July 15, 2007, 03:17 AM
I love that it took him longer to finish the dining table than to make and market a successful product.........
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Jeff K on July 16, 2007, 12:11 PM
Amazon has the multistand in stock for 42.53US each. Just ordered two.

Jeff K
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Mr. Amateur on July 18, 2007, 06:38 PM
I ordered 2 Multi Stands on 7/11 from Amazon, then received a message from Amazon that they would be delayed until 12/07. I called Triton to see what the problem was and they said they had a warehouse full of them. My Festool dealer looked into stocking the stands and Trition said he needed an initial order of several dollars. I called Triton again and they are working on a way for my dealer to become a stocking dealer. So I placed my order with my Festool/Triton dealer.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Steven in Iowa on July 18, 2007, 07:38 PM
If you look at the original post, I had all the same issues with Amazon.  Long story short, I ordered two directly from Triton on the phone and they honored Amazon's price of $42.95/each plus $18 shipping.  They said Amazon has a ton of them, but they can't figure out their system and get them to show in stock.  Gotta love it!!!
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: James Metcalf on July 18, 2007, 07:46 PM
I had two Triton MSA200 Multi-Stands delivered from Amazon today.
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Jeff K on July 18, 2007, 08:54 PM
Got my two from Amazon today for 42.53 USD each, shipping included.

Very sturdy. I am going to use them to hang a couple of doors this weekend.

Jeff K
Title: Re: Triton Multistand?
Post by: Paul Franklin on July 18, 2007, 11:18 PM
I tried to order some from Amazon about 2 weeks ago, but they were out of stock, so I signed up for an email notice to let me know when they are in stock. A couple of days ago I got an email saying they were in stock, so I clicked the link to order them, but they said they were out of stock, and then they said it was no longer available from they. What the is going on with Amazon!
They was nice of Triton to honor the Amazon price, but Amazon offer's free shipping.

Paul