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Offline DynaGlide

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Tiny dust collector
« on: May 19, 2022, 10:44 AM »
Thoughts on this little guy?

https://www.rockler.com/dust-right-750-cfm-mobile-dust-collector



Flow Rate: 750 CFM
Filter Type: Canister
HP: 1 HP
Weight (lbs): 88
Static Pressure: 5.98" of Water

I know lots of you people have big ole shops with central DC piped in yada yada. That's not me. I want something with a very small footprint. I don't really have a good wall mount spot for one of those wall units. This thing could be shoe horned into a dead space by my furnace when I'm not using it.

Uses would be my jobsite table saw which just makes a mess running off my CT-26, I want to get a smallish 6" jointer, and a bandsaw. Again, space is a premium so I can't fit most normal sized dust collectors. I would use some sort of cyclone separator to avoid having to empty the bag constantly. I'm assuming for single tool use, and keeping it near the tool with a short run of hose, it would perform its job well for the machines I have in mind.

Thanks,
Matt
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2022, 10:57 AM »
We have this Grizzly for the Omga, works well. The specs are higher than what you’re looking at. Went with this because the larger ones were a pain to get connected.

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Offline Packard

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2022, 11:03 AM »
I thought Festool made one.   Is this not small and a dust collector:


Offline Peter Kelly

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2022, 11:05 AM »
At $920 delivered+ tax I'm going with "vastly overpriced" for that thing.

https://www.harborfreight.com/2-hp-industrial-5-micron-dust-collector-97869.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiNzM1NjU1OTYiLCJza3UiOiI5Nzg2OSIsImlzIjoiMTk5Ljk5IiwicHJvZHVjdF9p%0D%0AZCI6IjM4OTEifQ%3D%3D%0D%0A

https://wynnenv.com/products-page/woodworking-filters/35c222nano-cartridge-kit

Total should be around $500 but that somewhat depends on taxes and shipping to where you're located. The coupon for the HF collector ends May 22nd, after that it goes back up to $250. 
« Last Edit: May 19, 2022, 11:10 AM by Peter Kelly »

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2022, 11:25 AM »
Mine (Dustfix) is similar to yours, HEPA, 1HP 750cfm & canvas bag. Motor is mounted at the base, not top heavy. Bought about 5 years ago for $480 Cdn.

Good for one machine a time (SawStop or Ridgid Planer in my case).

Offline Packard

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2022, 11:38 AM »
I have a maze of hoses with valves to direct the suction.  It is a headache to use.  But when I consider moving stuff around in my cluttered shop, it still feels like the better answer. 

I sometimes let the bag fill too much and emptying it becomes a burden. 

Offline Cheese

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2022, 11:48 AM »
It doesn't appear to have that small of a foot print Matt. They quote a size of 30" x 16.5" x 54.5" and my full size Jet measures 32" x 20" x 72".  [tongue]

The Jet is quite a bit taller but the footprints are similar, and the Jet is 1100 cfm and only $180 more.

Offline Packard

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2022, 11:55 AM »
Wood Magazine has an article on this subject.  They seem to be leaning towards a high capacity shop vac + chip collector. 

https://www.woodmagazine.com/tool-reviews/dust-collection/small-scale-dust-collection


Also Fine Woodworking:

https://www.finewoodworking.com/project-guides/shop-machines/dust-collection-for-the-small-shop

« Last Edit: May 19, 2022, 11:57 AM by Packard »

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2022, 12:00 PM »
Looks like it might fit your needs and do the job for you Matt but I was shocked when I saw the price. I was expecting something more around 400 to 500.

How much are their wall mount units. You could probably build a cart for that and incorporate a separator to boot.
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2022, 12:04 PM »
Yeah it does sound too expensive now after thinking about it.

Other requirements are it has to be on 110, no 220. I do have 20A outlets though on separate breakers so no issue with overloading.

The space I have in mind for storage is about 19" wide x 30" deep and somewhere around 70" tall. Definitely needs to have a canister filter at 2 or 1 microns.

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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2022, 12:11 PM »
That FWW article linked these two machines:

https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-hp-wall-mount-dust-collector-with-canister-filter/g0785

https://www.burnstools.com/10-030cfm1-1hp-dust-collector-1mic-can

I bet the Rockler unit is made in the same factory as that portable General International. Very similar.

I might have another look to see if I could put the wall mount guy somewhere as well.
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Offline Packard

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2022, 12:16 PM »
Can a wall-mount dust collector be "ceiling mounted?  Drop a very short "wall" from the ceiling over an area where it would not create a headroom issue.

For example the space over my radial arm saw is "dead space".  I think I could "drop" a wall there and have room to mount a wall mounted dust collector.  I do have an additional 8" between the rafters.  Emptying the bag might be more difficult though.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2022, 12:20 PM by Packard »

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2022, 12:34 PM »
Can a wall-mount dust collector be "ceiling mounted?  Drop a very short "wall" from the ceiling over an area where it would not create a headroom issue.

For example the space over my radial arm saw is "dead space".  I think I could "drop" a wall there and have room to mount a wall mounted dust collector.  I do have an additional 8" between the rafters.  Emptying the bag might be more difficult though.

I don't see why not. I'm coming around to the idea of wall mounted. There's a dead space in the corner of my shop that's currently used for wall mount shelves of stuff I don't use often. I could take the shelves out and put one there and find a new home for that stuff. The 20A outlets are right there too. . .

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Offline 4nthony

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2022, 12:35 PM »
Thoughts on this little guy?

I'm pretty happy with mine. I upgraded from a Fein Turbo I and a Dustopper so anything would've been an improvement but this little 750 does a pretty good job with my table saw, band saw, and DIY downdraft box for the router lift. It meets my needs and the main selling point for me was how quiet it is and that I can move it out of the way if necessary. I'm short on space (my side of the garage is roughly 9'x18'). I've got neighbors in close proximity so I'm always looking to lessen the amount of noise I produce. I considered the 1250 wall-mount but it's pretty big and I don't have much wall-space left. Adding a Cyclone or other 2nd stage might cut down on the CFM but others have done it.

The price has jumped up in recent months. I first saw it priced around $650 last year. Then it shot up to 749-799 but came with a $100 gift card (when I bought it). Now, at $820, it's pricey for what it is, but it does come with the 1-micron canister which is an add-on for most of the other Dust Right collectors.



I forget where I found this picture (maybe a customer shot on Rockler?) but the DIY wall-mount is interesting:

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Offline ChuckS

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2022, 12:45 PM »
Unless access is easy, I wouldn't recommend mounting the dust collector (main body) to the ceiling or a high point.

To be effective, the HEPA filter needs to be cleaned after each use, and reaching for the handle to turn should not require a step or ladder. You don't want to find a reason or excuse not to clean the filter after every use; if you do, the filter will cake up with dust much sooner than you think.

Even though I clean the cartridge filter every time, I still find dust deep inside the filter when I dump the bag. I periodically use compressed air to clean inside the drum/filter, and tons of dust are found there. I need to spend at least 5 minutes to blow off the dust with compressed air. (Be careful not to damage the filter paper with high pressure air. Don't shoot air directly at a right angle to the filter inside or outside if you use a high pressure setting.)

 

About prices, for $800 US, I can easily get a HEPA 2HP, 1700 CFM, 1 micron dust collector, good for two machines running at the same time, in my city.

« Last Edit: May 19, 2022, 03:29 PM by ChuckS »

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2022, 02:40 PM »
Definitely needs to have a canister filter at 2 or 1 microns.
One of the best health investments I have made is a Dylos Pro air quality meter. What I found was I was breathing bad air more than I realized. I have a Powermatic PM1200 air cleaner that slowly cleans the air will running much of the time I am working. When the air quality goes to heck I turn on my bigger dust collector that cleans the air in a few minutes and warms the garage significantly (Not so good on hot days as it can overcome the mini-split). The reason I quoted you is to say HEPA is 0.3 microns and what you should be using in a small work area. The tiny dust is what damages your lungs and hangs in the air for over 8 hours. Wynn filters are NOT HEPA @ 1 micron MERV 15, and after doing tons of research I went with an Oneida HEPA filter 0.3 microns and MERV 16 as I knew what I was getting, that is was certified, and of good quality. The bigger the filter the longer it will last and not plug. (Personally I am not a fan of beating up the filter with the thumper blades rotating inside the filter with the handle on top of the filter.)

Oh a manometer/magnehelic of some kind is great so you know when the filter needs to be cleaned. Could be some tubing with liquid and food coloring with some lines drawn next to it for referencing from. I use a Dwyer I picked up on Ebay for $20. Installing when the filter is new means you have a base reference. https://www.amazon.com/Dwyer-2005-Magnehelic-Differential-Pressure/dp/B00C1RA6UE

Although costly an Oneida SuperCell might fit the bill for space. I would guess it also works well as a shop heater. There are at least a few options available.

You didn't mention what type of table saw you are using, but improving dust collection is most likely possible. Getting a blade guard with overhead dust collection will improve it almost 40% right off the top! Bad pun? I had researched online how to improve a Bosch 4100 jobsite saw I used to use and putting a plate across the entire bottom was what seemed to work, but I sold the saw before modifying it.

Offline JINRO

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2022, 02:45 PM »
I'm looking for one too.  I have one car garage shop and I'm thinking of 1.5hp, ~1200 cfm. Will it be enough for me to use it for Miter, Table, Planer and Jointer? Or do I have to go larger? I know 2hp jumps price pretty high...

Offline Dane

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2022, 02:48 PM »
This one from Record that was featured on the Hooked on Wood YouTube channel seems pretty ideal:



https://www.thewoodturningstore.com/record-power-cgv336-4-us-camvac-55l-2000w-vacuum-with-4-inlet-no-hose/
« Last Edit: May 19, 2022, 02:50 PM by Dane »

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2022, 03:21 PM »
I'm looking for one too.  I have one car garage shop and I'm thinking of 1.5hp, ~1200 cfm. Will it be enough for me to use it for Miter, Table, Planer and Jointer? Or do I have to go larger? I know 2hp jumps price pretty high...

More than good enough if you're using one machine at a time, assuming the hose is not a long long run. Even a 1HP d.c. is good enough...but wearing a N95 mask is still recommended because the table saw (edge cuts or dado cuts) and the miter saw will still spill dust into the environment.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2022, 03:23 PM by ChuckS »

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2022, 03:36 PM »
This one from Record that was featured on the Hooked on Wood YouTube channel seems pretty ideal:
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That unit, running on 220V, has only 229 CFM, and may be good smaller machines. I wouldn't use it for machines that produce lots of chips or plume of fine dust. Average size table saws, jointers, etc. probably need well over 300 CFM to do a proper job.

Offline Packard

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2022, 03:42 PM »
If you have a table saw, I would recommend that you place a piece of wire mesh (chicken wire about 1/2" spacing) on the intake duct to the dust collector.

I recall failing to turn off the dust collection and then changing the blade on my saw.  I dropped the shaft nut and it got sucked into the bowels of the dust collector. 

I spent about two hours taking apart my hoses, blast gates and fittings until I finally found the nut.  A piece of mesh would have allowed the dust to be extracted and would have saved the nut from being sucked in.

Even if I had the dust collector turned off, it would have required a half an hour to retrieve it and restore the dust collection. 

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2022, 03:42 PM »
After considering @ChuckS comment about having to clean the filter I'm back to considering floor models on casters. Something I can just put away when I'm not using a jointer which wouldn't be that often anyway. The planer I have doesn't require an extractor.

If the price were better I think that Rockler unit would still be high on my list. Maybe a sale will come along. They're opening a new Rockler store in my area next month, maybe they'll run a promotion and I could skip shipping costs that way.
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Offline ChuckS

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2022, 03:57 PM »
Snip.
I recall failing to turn off the dust collection and then changing the blade on my saw.  I dropped the shaft nut and it got sucked into the bowels of the dust collector.  Snip.
[oops]

I always wonder a) if this tip works and b) if it is safe, so I never try it

https://www.finewoodworking.com/2021/02/04/workshop-tip-tired-of-dropping-your-arbor-nut-add-a-magnet


Offline festal

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2022, 04:02 PM »
I was looking at the same one March of last year. It was on sale for $550 with 50 gift card. I missed the sale and forgot to order it. Now it’s $820. I did end up getting mini gorilla Oneida. No complaints besides the small bucket


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Offline Packard

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2022, 04:04 PM »
I don't know if lthe magnet works.  I had the mesh in the house.  I cut it to fit the plastic funnel leading to the dust collector.  It has been there ever since.  I have not dropped the nut since I installed the mesh.  Funny how that works.

Offline JINRO

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2022, 04:13 PM »
More than good enough if you're using one machine at a time, assuming the hose is not a long long run. Even a 1HP d.c. is good enough...but wearing a N95 mask is still recommended because the table saw (edge cuts or dado cuts) and the miter saw will still spill dust into the environment.

Thanks for the advise! Good to know 1 HP will be good enough for my shop.  Yeah, I use one tool at a time.  I'm thinking of this one then: https://beavertools.com/mdcbf1110c1m-laguna-b-flux-1hp-110v-canister-dust-collector.html

Offline Packard

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2022, 04:20 PM »
Wen also makes a small, inexpensive unit.  It is sold on Amazon.com for about $140.00.  You will need accessories and they can add up.

Nice is to make a tray and you can sweep the shop dust right into it.  No bending over with a dust pan.

https://www.amazon.com/WEN-DC3401-Collector-12-Gallon-Optional/dp/B09Q7F9NC8/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2YSH1KHAR6AZ1&keywords=wen+dust+collectors+for+woodworking&qid=1652991611&sprefix=wen+dust+%2Caps%2C449&sr=8-2

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2022, 04:43 PM »
Nice is to make a tray and you can sweep the shop dust right into it.  No bending over with a dust pan.
Sweeping is the last thing I want to do with dust. A Festool CT36 is my preferred method for floor cleanup...except for lots of metal fragments, which get scooped. An air quality meter would show a significant increase in airborne dust post sweeping.

Offline Dane

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2022, 05:53 PM »
This one from Record that was featured on the Hooked on Wood YouTube channel seems pretty ideal:
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That unit, running on 220V, has only 229 CFM, and may be good smaller machines. I wouldn't use it for machines that produce lots of chips or plume of fine dust. Average size table saws, jointers, etc. probably need well over 300 CFM to do a proper job.

Not sure that's correct- take a look at some of the youtube reviews and online reviews.  Universally positive on the record machines for table saws, lathes and jointers in a small shop.  Inflated CFM numbers vs applied effectiveness can be different.

Offline festal

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2022, 06:00 PM »
This one from Record that was featured on the Hooked on Wood YouTube channel seems pretty ideal:
Snip

That unit, running on 220V, has only 229 CFM, and may be good smaller machines. I wouldn't use it for machines that produce lots of chips or plume of fine dust. Average size table saws, jointers, etc. probably need well over 300 CFM to do a proper job.

Not sure that's correct- take a look at some of the youtube reviews and online reviews.  Universally positive on the record machines for table saws, lathes and jointers in a small shop.  Inflated CFM numbers vs applied effectiveness can be different.

Also saw the reviews on these.  Interesting units.  Similar to Supercell