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Offline festal

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2022, 03:39 PM »
I'm using iVac system with my 1.5HP oneida mini gorilla.  Works great via remote that it comes with and also have few of the clamp on triggers that ivac sells.  Also work fine.  Had to relocate the location of the clamp few times as other tools were triggering the dust collector.  My mini gorilla is 120v version so as ivac

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Offline Peter_C

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2022, 08:45 PM »
I prefer a remote for my dust collector as I leave it on when making adjustments to machinery.

The Jet should be using a magnetic switch so something like this should be easy enough to wire in. You can find the wiring diagrams online and I can show you photos of how Jet did it on a 240v 3HP unit.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #92 on: June 01, 2022, 09:42 PM »
I have the iVac switch for the DC and sensors for each of my tools.
However I use the remote most of the time because I don't like cycling
the DC motor on/off repeatedly. Jumping around from tool to tool when
processing rough stock means the jointer, planer, and TS are all seeing
action. So I have turned off all the sensors at the tools and use the remote
clipped on my belt. I bought the system over 10 years ago and they are
very different than what is sold today.

I have two other problems are what first got me using the remote. The
first is the motor upgrade I did to the bandsaw. Putting that DVR motor on
there was the best thing I for that saw giving gobs more power and it runs
super smooth with variable speed not just two or three. But the controller
for the DVR draws enough power to trigger the iVac tool sensor and will start
the DC even when the bandsaw is idle. Newer iVac sensors don't have this
problem and have an adjustable trigger, my first gen versions do not.

The second is the NOVA Voyager motor at some (only the lower end so far)
RPMs will cause the iVac DC switch to power on. Seems to only happen
when I am using low RPM with large Forstner bits.

So for me the best option has been to just use the iVac remote on my belt.
That works well and runs for many months on two CR2032 batteries.
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Offline ChuckS

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #93 on: June 01, 2022, 10:33 PM »
My shop is small, and every dust extraction equipment is usually located within a step or two from the machine in use.

The reason I put an auto switch in each dust collector/shop vac is that I don't like the noise from any of them even though I always wear ear protection and have made measures to dampen the noise. While I can turn off the dust extraction each time after I switch off the machine, I don't like the distraction, and prefer to move on to the next task immediately (be it walking back to the bench, or resetting the fence for another cut or boring, or checking the finished cut for squareness, etc.). Our workflows can be different.

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #94 on: June 02, 2022, 12:56 AM »
...and have made measures to dampen the noise.

This subject could be a thread of its own and I know noise suppression is a very complicated topic, but I'm curious to know what you've done and what kind of results you've achieved.

My shop is one half of a 1940s era freestanding garage that is unfinished and uninsulated. I've considered adding an insulation kit to the back of the garage door along with some Rockwool insulation and a couple layers of OSB or drywall but I just don't know if when it's done, the benefits will warrant the cost.

 
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Offline Mini Me

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #95 on: June 02, 2022, 07:10 AM »
For those who are interested I was part of the team that developed this system in Australia and only recently decided to leave and move on to something else. It is not available for export and may never be unfortunately. We were forced to develop it because the cost of IVAC in Oz was simply too expensive, a 6"/150mm blast gate was about $800AUD and ours was about half that.

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Offline ChuckS

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2022, 10:49 AM »
...and have made measures to dampen the noise.

This subject could be a thread of its own and I know noise suppression is a very complicated topic, but I'm curious to know what you've done and what kind of results you've achieved.

My shop is one half of a 1940s era freestanding garage that is unfinished and uninsulated. I've considered adding an insulation kit to the back of the garage door along with some Rockwool insulation and a couple layers of OSB or drywall but I just don't know if when it's done, the benefits will warrant the cost.
Anthony,

Economical and effective:

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You can also warp the outside of the insulation material with Kraft paper or the like if the insulation gets a high chance of being disturbed.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2022, 10:57 AM by ChuckS »

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #97 on: June 02, 2022, 01:45 PM »
My shop is one half of a 1940s era freestanding garage that is unfinished and uninsulated. I've considered adding an insulation kit to the back of the garage door along with some Rockwool insulation and a couple layers of OSB or drywall but I just don't know if when it's done, the benefits will warrant the cost.
First bolt the garage to the floor with 5/8" bolts like Titans or glue threaded rod in with 3" plates and nuts on top which is what I did as it is cheaper. Also add proper earthquake retrofit hardware in, especially around doors. Plywood is perfect for a garage as it acts as shearwall, and gives a great place to hang cabinets and stuff anywhere. Drywall over the top creates a finished look if desired. Insulation could be rockwool, but there are other alternatives, as sound will barely travel thru a wall with plywood on each side. The garage door kits are junk, and that is where most of the heat/cooling is lost. I found 2" rigid foam fit perfectly on "my" garage door, just measure depth. I did have to route free hand every piece to clear a raised panel inside, but I have minimal air gaps and 2" of foam. Also filled in all the channels and groves inside prior to installing rigid foam, with spray in foam from a can that requires a gun to dispense. (Spray foam is also good to put around the base of the walls to seal them up from air exchanges.) Thin aluminum can be pop riveted over the door sections to create a cleaner look and bring it up to fire code. The door spring(s) will need tension increased which is easy to do with a wrench and a couple of socket extensions used to turn them.

Edit: Then get a mini-split for AC/heat.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2022, 01:47 PM by Peter_C »

Offline festal

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2022, 07:28 PM »
...and have made measures to dampen the noise.

This subject could be a thread of its own and I know noise suppression is a very complicated topic, but I'm curious to know what you've done and what kind of results you've achieved.

My shop is one half of a 1940s era freestanding garage that is unfinished and uninsulated. I've considered adding an insulation kit to the back of the garage door along with some Rockwool insulation and a couple layers of OSB or drywall but I just don't know if when it's done, the benefits will warrant the cost.

Check out Bent's woodworking on IG or youtube he just went through this in his new garage shop.  He did research and ended up doing fake wall with Rockwool, safe and sound drywall and something else.  He explains his implementation and why he decided to go that way

Offline festal

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2022, 07:30 PM »
@Bob D. i had simliar issues with new ivac but i didn't adjust anything from default yet.  Just had to move the sensor into a different spot and that fixed the issue.   I didn't try it with dvr motor as I don't have nova but I do have bosch adjustable drill press and it doesn't trigger the dust collector.

Online Cheese

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« Reply #100 on: June 02, 2022, 10:18 PM »
Matt, that's the same unit I've had since 2003 minus the internal baffle which I'm going to add. I use 4" corrugated vinyl snaked around the shop to connect to the various machines. I can attach it to a 6" Delta jointer, a 14" Delta bandsaw, a 12" Delta radial arm saw, a 10" Bosch tablesaw, a 6" Jet belt and 12" disc sander and the Dewalt 735 planer. Some of the machines have short stubby connections while others have longer 10' foot connections.

All that stuff works well, I maintain a continuous ground by using the spiral wire inside of the 4" corrugated and connect all of the items to the 4" corrugated through Magport connectors. The whole system works well and it's simple to just connect and reconnect each item.

I tried all of those 4" plastic "quick disconnect" items and they are just junk. If anyone wants them, if you pay for shipping I will gladly send all of them your way.  [smile]
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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #101 on: June 03, 2022, 05:48 AM »
@Cheese , how are you making the ground connection across the MagPort fittings.

Do you have a short jumper wire connected to the wire in the hose that you ground on the tool?

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #102 on: June 03, 2022, 07:24 AM »
I tried all of those 4" plastic "quick disconnect" items and they are just junk. If anyone wants them, if you pay for shipping I will gladly send all of them your way.  [smile]

Which ones? I'm using the Rockler Dust Right now and aside from not having a ground connection, it's incredibly simple to use.
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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #103 on: June 03, 2022, 07:37 AM »
Matt, doesn't your Flex have a tool plug built in? Mine does.

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #104 on: June 03, 2022, 07:38 AM »
Yes Jeff but it's rated for something like 6 Amps. I wouldn't dare plug my Kapex into it.
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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #105 on: June 03, 2022, 07:39 AM »
Got it. Now I understand.

Online Cheese

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #106 on: June 03, 2022, 07:44 AM »
@Cheese , how are you making the ground connection across the MagPort fittings.

Do you have a short jumper wire connected to the wire in the hose that you ground on the tool?

You got it Bob... [big grin]...for now it's a Molex connector but I have pulled apart a Magport and it's pretty simple to use the magnets themselves as part of the electrical connection. A short piece of copper wire and a soldered copper disc and the Molex goes away. On a rainy day that's where I'll eventually end up at. You just have to make sure the correct magnets are connected.

You can see how clean the outside wall of the 4" hose is.




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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #107 on: June 03, 2022, 07:48 AM »
Nice, I will have to look into modifying my MagPort connectors to include grounding.

Now that I see your photo I feel like this was discussed a while back in another thread.

Some searching on my part is in order. :-)
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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #108 on: June 03, 2022, 08:03 AM »
Which ones? I'm using the Rockler Dust Right now and aside from not having a ground connection, it's incredibly simple to use.

These ones from Woodcraft Matt. For 2 hose end connectors and a center QD connector you're up to $24 while a single Magport is $23, however the Magport doesn't suddenly disconnect itself when the hose is stretched a little bit.  [sad]




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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #109 on: June 03, 2022, 08:14 AM »
On the subject of magports, take a look at the starter kit for 4 inch hose. You get 3 magports two short lengths of 4 inch hose and 5 hose clamps for 73 bucks.

 A section of short hose, a magport and 2 clamps for a machine. So you can do 2 machines and the other magport clamps to the hose from your collector.

https://magport.net/products/4-starter-kit

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #110 on: June 03, 2022, 08:42 AM »
On the subject of magports, take a look at the starter kit for 4 inch hose. You get 3 magports to short lengths of 4 inch hose and 5 hose clamps for 73 bucks.

 A section of short hose, a magport and 2 clamps for a machine. So you can do 2 machines and the other magports clamps to the hose from your collector.


Thanks for that Ron...that's exactly what I installed on my Jet Belt/Disc sander.


Offline ChuckS

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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #111 on: June 03, 2022, 10:52 AM »
No doubt, the magport is a better product, but at twice the price of a QD fitting:



I use the QD fittings for my Sawstop (4' dia.) or thickness planer (2-1/2" dia.):




I've forgotten to connect them to the dust collector, but they have never come loose on me nor is there any leak during use because I don't usually pull the hose around. The magports, however, should be the choice if one often needs to move hoses around during use.

By the way, for the really frugal folks, they can use just one QD fitting on the dust collector, and connect the hose (4" dia.) from as many machines as they have (with a 4" port) -- one at a time -- to the fitting with a handled spring clamp (the red clamp in the third image).
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Re: Tiny dust collector
« Reply #112 on: June 03, 2022, 01:05 PM »
In place of that clunky Rube Goldberg setup that Magport has with the short hose and clamps, I'd like to see versions that slip right on to the exhaust port of most tools. How many different diameters are there, maybe four in the nominal 4 inch size?

For hoses it would be nice to have the back half of the QD connectors that threads into the hose but with a Magport flange on the business end. You could eliminate a bunch of ugly clamps and adapters.
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« Reply #113 on: June 11, 2022, 03:18 AM »
On the subject of magports, take a look at the starter kit for 4 inch hose. You get 3 magports to short lengths of 4 inch hose and 5 hose clamps for 73 bucks.

 A section of short hose, a magport and 2 clamps for a machine. So you can do 2 machines and the other magports clamps to the hose from your collector.




Thanks for that Ron..,that's exactly what I installed on my Jet Belt/Disc sander.

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