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Offline MikeGE

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Temp gun vs Thermal Imager which one? Plus a little on wall scanners.
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2023, 03:44 PM »
To add onto what Oliver wrote, unless you are able to see one of the D-tect sensors in operation, it is difficult to explain or demonstrate in 90-second video.  The closest analogy I can think of is a SONAR fish finder used by fishermen on a boat.  The display will show a graphic return of something at a distance, except instead of water of varying temperatures, the medium is concrete, drywall, or any of the pre-programmed settings in the sensor, and the distances are in millimeters, not feet.

I've been using my D-tect 150 for over 11 years and trust it when the sensor detects rebar, water pipe, or electrical cables.  Prior to using it, my success rate with missing rebar was about 75-percent.  Now that I use it for every project that requires drilling into the wall or ceiling slabs, my success rate is 100-percent.  If I find rebar, but it is beyond the depth that I want to drill, I can drill in confidence that I will not hit it.

When I drilled the mounting holes for my clamp rack and tool boards, I scanned the wall vertically and horizontally to identify the location of the rebar grid in the areas I wanted to put anchors.  This allowed me to adjust my drilling location as needed and put enough bolts into the wall to handle the shear load.

At one of the facilities I supported before I retired, the maintenance personnel were drilling into a concrete wall to mount eight large screen displays for a video wall.  No one on the team bothered to scan the wall before drilling the dozens of holes for the brackets.  The facility manager had considering buying a D-tect 150, but hadn't been able to justify the expense, so they were relying on luck with every hole.  On the third monitor bracket, the technician hit an undocumented high-pressure water pipe that immediately started flooding the mission floor. 

The pipe later turned out to be part of the abandoned fire suppression system that had been capped somewhere in the wall instead of being removed.  The sudden flow of water also triggered the fire alarm system, which caused everyone in the building to evacuate.  The resulting drama resembled a U-boat that had been hit while they scrambled around trying to find any valve that would shut off the high-pressure water.  The cost to repair the wall, and replace the damaged furniture, flooring, and equipment was over €30K, which was significantly less than the cost of the D-tect 150.  The facility manager now had the justification to buy a D-tect 150 for each team.

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Temp gun vs Thermal Imager which one? Plus a little on wall scanners.
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2023, 04:53 PM »
My images were from the first gen Flir for iPhone that @Cheese linked. I had an iPhone 6 when I first got it. I don't recall the price, but it was inexpensive enough to make it worth picking up and has been invaluable (and sobering...) to learn how poorly insulated and sealed my house is.

I'm definitely interested in a newer model that would use the iPhone for additional/on-site capabilities but is detached enough to not require the phone to take scans.

Funny, too, that you guys were talking about bad electrical circuits... yesterday, one circuit in my house was going full-on Poltergeist. Another breaker went bad. The original breakers in my house are 36 years old so I guess they are due.

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Re: Temp gun vs Thermal Imager which one? Plus a little on wall scanners.
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2023, 02:51 AM »
Well, since we were talking about "running a circuit to detect it via heat, but don't run a faulty circuit!"... my Poltergeist service panel heard and the main breaker died. I'm at a friend's house for the night or more given 200A breaker shipping estimates...

So here are some fun photos I took before "the event" and a photo of the service panel with a hot af main breaker. While the image scanner is cool to verify the breaker is hot, the blackened side was a bit of a give-away...

First up, a scan of a wall in the shop. You can see the drain from my shower running vertically. This was maybe 20 minutes after the shower:

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Next is a random shot into my gym. You can see the subwoofer bottom right, Sonos One top middle, and on the cabinet, the edge of a bucket of tea and the flat thing is an induction charger. Not useful for seeing into walls, but it is interesting that even some devices in standby glow:

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Lastly, my Poltergeist main breaker; again, not something you need a scan for but felt like a record:

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Re: Temp gun vs Thermal Imager which one? Plus a little on wall scanners.
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2023, 10:19 AM »

...Not useful for seeing into walls, but it is interesting that even some devices in standby glow:


That 2nd photo is exactly what I was referring to when I mentioned in an earlier post that the Flir's are very sensitive to temperature changes. Any small temperature differential is usually recorded.  [smile]

When I first purchased my Flir in 2015, I did a quick test and if I remember correctly (and that was a long time ago) it would recognize a temperature differential of only 1.5º to 2º.

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Re: Temp gun vs Thermal Imager which one? Plus a little on wall scanners.
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2023, 11:14 PM »
I use a FLIR E4 weekly. There is a firmware hack out there to make it an E8. The internals are the same so the E4 was limited in the firmware only.

The thing can see residual footprints of someone walking a normal pace. Very sensitive.

So many off label uses for these things. Well worth the money and time to update the firmware.

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FLIR stands for Foward Looking InfraRed. FLIR the company, cleverly trademarked it as a brand name when they formed. FLIR is now the Kleenex of the thermal imaging industry. If money isn't an issue, I'd get a thermal imager with at least VGA (640 x 512 pixels) resolution. Here's an image of an unsuspecting wife [smile].
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FLIR stands for Foward Looking InfraRed. FLIR the company, cleverly trademarked it as a brand name when they formed. FLIR is now the Kleenex of the thermal imaging industry. If money isn't an issue, I'd get a thermal imager with at least VGA (640 x 512 pixels) resolution. Here's an image of an unsuspecting wife [smile].

Dude, she's hot  [big grin]
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