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Offline online421

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Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« on: August 18, 2019, 06:41 PM »
Just wondering has anyone used spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?

I couldnt find too many video showing SM with sliding table on its side, below is a video link from Martin.



I am planning to upgrade my SM but due to space limitation, machine with side sliding table will work easier than the sliding table at the front design... am thinking SCM TF130 (cant justify a Martin)



Even if you have used one, what is your thought on a machine like this?
any feedback appreciated.


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Offline tallgrass

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Re: Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2019, 08:28 PM »
great video of the operators backside. It would have been nice to see it run. What part of that is "cnc"?

Offline RussellS

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Re: Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2019, 02:40 PM »
https://www.felder-group.com/us-us/products/shapers.html

Felder sells many shapers with sliding tables.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=felder+shaper

Do a YouTube search on "Felder shaper" and you will get many videos showing them.

Offline John P Clark

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Re: Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2019, 07:42 PM »
I had a Felder 700z shaper with the sliding table parallel to the fence, sold it and found a old Martin t23 with a sliding table on the side like the newer Martin.  The table as shown on the Martin is for a lot heavier duty work than the Felder, and works very well for heavy tenon cutting.  Google Martin t23 rebuild and see how Joe Calhoon restores one, and the comments about how robust it is.

The table will go down to the shaper table height and can be used as an extension table for running long items on the shaper -


Offline Oldwood

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Re: Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2019, 08:36 PM »
I owned a Sicar with a side table. It was no where near the quality of the Martin but it was pretty solid and turned out accurate tenons.

With this style of table you can stack the cope cutter set above the stick cutters so you don't need to make any height adjustment of the spindle to go from stick to cope cuts.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2019, 09:31 PM by Oldwood »
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Offline Oldwood

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Re: Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2019, 11:24 AM »
I think the SCM could be a good option depending on the service available in your area. SCM have gotten some bad reviews on their service in some locations. That being said SM do not require much service unless it is the CNC interface and I I have no experience with those on a SM. Digital height control would be a big time saver.

A 4 wheel feeder with variable speed control is a feature worth having.
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Offline online421

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Re: Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2019, 05:40 AM »
I had a Felder 700z shaper with the sliding table parallel to the fence, sold it and found a old Martin t23 with a sliding table on the side like the newer Martin.  The table as shown on the Martin is for a lot heavier duty work than the Felder, and works very well for heavy tenon cutting.  Google Martin t23 rebuild and see how Joe Calhoon restores one, and the comments about how robust it is.

The table will go down to the shaper table height and can be used as an extension table for running long items on the shaper -

Thanks John. I almost bought a F700Z sometime ago but didnt like the conventional sliding table on it.
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Offline online421

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Re: Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2019, 05:44 AM »
I think the SCM could be a good option depending on the service available in your area. SCM have gotten some bad reviews on their service in some locations. That being said SM do not require much service unless it is the CNC interface and I I have no experience with those on a SM. Digital height control would be a big time saver.

A 4 wheel feeder with variable speed control is a feature worth having.

I think you are spot on about SCM. it seems they only want to sell machines and when it comes to service/parts, it will take sometime for them to respond...

a variable speed control, like a inverter motor rather than belt driven? I know it will be worth having but SCM's SM with Inverter are premium models, they cost 20,000 Euro+... While conventional SCM belt driven model with similar spec can cost around 15k Euro, I am just not sure if its worth it
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Offline Oldwood

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Re: Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2019, 09:43 AM »
"a variable speed control, like a inverter motor rather than belt driven? I know it will be worth having but SCM's SM with Inverter are premium models, they cost 20,000 Euro+... While conventional SCM belt driven model with similar spec can cost around 15k Euro, I am just not sure if its worth it "

I was speaking about the power feeder not the SM when I mentioned variable speed. The Univer feeder in the picture had a variable belt drive like a snowmobile transmission. I don't know what options are available on feeders these days but the belt variable worked fine for me for over 20 years.

I think the spindle speeds on the SM set by changing the belt position are fine. You usually set the spindle speed based on cutter diameter and leave it set until you  change the cutter.

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Offline online421

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Re: Spindle moulder with sliding table on its side?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2019, 05:55 PM »
"a variable speed control, like a inverter motor rather than belt driven? I know it will be worth having but SCM's SM with Inverter are premium models, they cost 20,000 Euro+... While conventional SCM belt driven model with similar spec can cost around 15k Euro, I am just not sure if its worth it "

I was speaking about the power feeder not the SM when I mentioned variable speed. The Univer feeder in the picture had a variable belt drive like a snowmobile transmission. I don't know what options are available on feeders these days but the belt variable worked fine for me for over 20 years.

I think the spindle speeds on the SM set by changing the belt position are fine. You usually set the spindle speed based on cutter diameter and leave it set until you  change the cutter.

Thanks for the advice, I have thought about this over the weekend. I dont think I need an inverter for the SM... its not like I have a worker who is on the SM duty 8 hours a day.

just need to clarify the option list with our SCM sales and then likely putting a deposit down...

Cheers
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