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Offline rmhinden

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FastCap FASTenon
« on: May 13, 2021, 11:11 AM »
I got this in my email this morning, a new kind of domino:

FASTenon

From the web site:

"allows you to pull your joints together without clamps. The barbs bite into your material; holding your workpiece firmly together. Add a little glue inside each joint and it’s even stronger. Also great for aligning components when assembling. The FASTenon will change the way you build."

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Looks interesting, might be useful when clamping is challenging.

Your thoughts?

Bob
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Offline Svar

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2021, 11:29 AM »
It's an overstatement by FastCap. It does not pull the joint together. Holds it in place, yes. Pulls it like Festool or Lamello connectors, no.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2021, 11:31 AM »
Is it really glueable as stated? Suitable for light-duty joints not subject to much stress.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2021, 11:36 AM »
I have a need to attach painted face frames to painted cabinets in place soon and I was looking at these. However, I think I agree with @Svar I don't think these could close the joint enough like the Lamello Tenso.
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Offline squall_line

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2021, 11:43 AM »
"It will change the way you build".

Possibly.  It definitely looks like you can't dry-fit your assembly using those barbed tenons, so that would be a pretty big change in the build method...

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2021, 11:49 AM »
"It will change the way you build".

Possibly.  It definitely looks like you can't dry-fit your assembly using those barbed tenons, so that would be a pretty big change in the build method...

Dry fit with regular dominos. But you won't know if they're going to work until you go through with using them.
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Offline Peter Parfitt

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2021, 12:19 PM »
I would not use them for serious woodwork even if they were free. They may well have uses but not in my workshop.

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Offline Svar

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2021, 12:28 PM »
These could be use for applications that don't require serious clamping or difficult to hold while glue dries. Perhaps trim/molding work, etc.

Offline guybo

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2021, 12:47 PM »
I think only 6x40 avaible, thought as you did PVC decking or trim(miters with epoxy) . guy

Offline Cheese

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2021, 12:56 PM »
It's an overstatement by FastCap. It does not pull the joint together. Holds it in place, yes. Pulls it like Festool or Lamello connectors, no.

Indeed it is...maybe if you're lucky, it's the equivalent of placing a strip of blue painters tape across 2 boards.

Hey Matt @DynaGlide ...I attached maple face frames with the small D8/50 Festool connectors, they work well. Here's one holding up the vertical and another one being prepared to hold up the horizontal.





Offline tsmi243

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2021, 01:02 PM »
Some of you might be misunderstanding who Fastcap's customers are.  The company is named after the little stickers used to cover up screw heads....

For people doing assembly on-site, with modest tolerance requirements, these things really could be a huge help.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2021, 01:04 PM »
Thanks for that @Cheese . I may end up having to go that route. My problem is I don't want to spend the money on those Domino connectors after seeing how much of a fuss they are. A Zeta P2 is in my future (unknown when, could be a year, could be more). I wonder how much investment I'd need to get the drill guide and the connectors I'd need without buying the whole kit.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2021, 02:25 PM »
Thanks for that @Cheese . I may end up having to go that route. My problem is I don't want to spend the money on those Domino connectors after seeing how much of a fuss they are. A Zeta P2 is in my future (unknown when, could be a year, could be more). I wonder how much investment I'd need to get the drill guide and the connectors I'd need without buying the whole kit.

I think you can get by for $250 or so. I bought the complete kit but I needed it for some other projects.

If I remember correctly, fixture & drill for about $140 and 25-30 connectors for $70-$80?

I like them a lot and they really exert a lot of pull on the face frame to flush up items nicely.

Offline squall_line

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2021, 03:10 PM »
You may also be able to talk someone out of a used kit that's already been half-used for a reasonable price.  I got a used kit that was about 3/4 complete from eBay, I just made sure that the drill guide, drill bit, and a reasonable amount of connectors were still included.  It looked like the bit and guide were completely unused.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2021, 03:13 PM »
You may also be able to talk someone out of a used kit that's already been half-used for a reasonable price.  I got a used kit that was about 3/4 complete from eBay, I just made sure that the drill guide, drill bit, and a reasonable amount of connectors were still included.  It looked like the bit and guide were completely unused.

I just checked and it's ~$259 to get the drill bit, drill guide, cover caps, and 50x corner connectors. The set probably makes more sense going the route you suggested.
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Offline clark_fork

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2021, 03:34 PM »
The new Fastcap connectors have an obvious application for exterior use rather than Sipo.

I am looking for connectors for a raised plant bed made from 2 x 6's. Do the festool connectors have outside applications? I have both the 500 and 700XL

For the 700XL, the connectors do not need a template. So I think all you need are the connectors.

If the Festool connectors cannot be used outside and I want to break down my beds in the winter, what would you recommend?
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Offline tsmi243

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2021, 04:12 PM »
I'd consider using bed bolt hardware, with a domino or two at each joint for alignment.  Glue the dominos in on just one side. 


Offline fshanno

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2021, 10:59 PM »
At 32¢ each they are pricey.  6mm Dominos are about 9¢. 

And if I was stupid enough to just order a 100 pack alone my shipping would be $26.42 making the cost of each a little over 58¢.

If I ever need $68 or more worth of stuff from FastCap I'll probably throw in a pack of these.

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: FastCap FASTenon
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2021, 07:22 PM »
Thanks for that @Cheese . I may end up having to go that route. My problem is I don't want to spend the money on those Domino connectors after seeing how much of a fuss they are. A Zeta P2 is in my future (unknown when, could be a year, could be more). I wonder how much investment I'd need to get the drill guide and the connectors I'd need without buying the whole kit.

Do you guys realize that Lamello did put a bit more thought into this than most people think? You can actually use the Tenso (and Clamex for that matter) with a regular biscuit joiner. It won't work as intended, meaning the rotate into place way. The connectors have screw holes in the ends. You can cut the slots with a regular machine by doing the plunge cut twice, at 2 different heights, making the slot wide enough for the fitting to slip in like a normal biscuit. Then put a screw in both ends, maybe a little glue is not a bad idea either?
It is definitely not ideal, but for a seldom used situation? It can save a guy a lot of money.
I do know this works though, because a guy I work with mis-cut a few slots on some parts that were to close to complete and up against a time line. So he over-cut them and screwed them in place with some Melamine glue. It worked out fine.

The plastic Dominos might be ok for some very specific situations, but the cost isn't ideal?
Maybe out doors? or in a non-wood situation like solid surface?
I have used my DF500 to cut through some solid surface a few times. It was just through the face as a locating pin for some vertical members, but it worked. Some day, when the acrylic shows up, it will fit in the groove and screw into the plywood sub-top, then get installed.
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