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Offline Fezbollah

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Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« on: August 30, 2017, 04:24 PM »
Need a third nail gun at my firm. Are we just gonna buy another Paslode im350 or can someone convince me that someone else is making a better or at least equally good one for the same money.

All opinions entertained!

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Offline antss

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2017, 06:54 PM »
You should probably specify that you're looking for a cordless/hoseless nailer.

That makes a big difference.

Offline DB10

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2017, 07:42 PM »
If I was using a framing nailer almost every day then I would stick with Paslode but if I was using one only occasionally,  then I would go with Dewalt.

Offline Fezbollah

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2017, 01:20 AM »
You should probably specify that you're looking for a cordless/hoseless nailer.

That makes a big difference.

TBH I thought that saying I was in the UK would be enough. I've never seen an air powered framing nailer on site here in nearly 20 years as a builder.

It probably is going to be another paslode. Just wandering if anyone knows something I don't!

Offline PatR

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2017, 02:18 AM »
This superb review of the DeWalt framing nailer is one of the best reviews I have read:

http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/derwalt-dcn692p2-18-volt-cordless-1st-fix-nailer-review-pt-1-t84506.html

Like you I have the Paslode 1st fix but when I needed a 2nd fix gun I decided to give the DeWalt DCN660 a go based on Job and Knock's experience of the yellow demon.

It has been superb and in 6 months I have not had a single nail jam using Tacwise nails. It has been so good, I have bought the 2nd fix gun featured in the review and the Paslode is slowly gathering dust on the shelf. The 2nd fix originally came with 2 x 2Ah batteries and they were fine but I got some 5Ah batteries with an SDS drill and they last much longer on the nail guns. No gas, no igniters and no faffing around and up to now, 100% reliability.

Certainly worth a look and though I do not use them for a living, several of my local site chippies have gone 18v and are delighted with them.

Pat
« Last Edit: August 31, 2017, 02:23 AM by PatR »

Offline Kev

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2017, 07:24 AM »
The two speed Dewalt cordless is excellent, but it struggles with 90mm into our local hardwood .. sadly some Aussie hardwood needs a nuclear charge to drive the nails home!

Offline antss

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2017, 08:06 AM »
You should probably specify that you're looking for a cordless/hoseless nailer.

That makes a big difference.

TBH I thought that saying I was in the UK would be enough. I've never seen an air powered framing nailer on site here in nearly 20 years as a builder.

It probably is going to be another paslode. Just wandering if anyone knows something I don't!

If you were talking to the guys down at your local, then yes.

But since this board's membership is heavily weighted with guys in the USA, I think it should be mentioned. 
« Last Edit: August 31, 2017, 06:14 PM by antss »

Offline demographic

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2017, 03:55 PM »
Ive used lots of Paslodes, owned Hitachis and borrowed a Makita and the De-Walt I now own is just better than them all.

Its slightly heavier but its a lot quieter and bump fires when it's on the right setting.

I'm never buying another gas and battery gun again, I'm sick of the noise, the unreliability and scratting about looking for the gas when all the other subbies on site have pocketed it.

Offline Fezbollah

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2017, 04:10 AM »
Thanks for all the constructive advice everyone. I read that incredibly comprehensive review on the link above. Just need to decide if the extra half kilo weight is going to be worth it as I'm
Already fighting a running battle with tendonitis. Hopefully I can find one in a shop to swing around for a bit.

Fez.

Offline demographic

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2017, 03:48 PM »
I forgot to mention that the DeWalt is quite short compared to the other framers I've used (pretty much all types really) so it fits in between joists better.

Personally I'm never buying another gas powered gun again and Paslode can just get stuffed with their protectionist policies.

For ages everytime I went into the builders merchants there was a snotty note un the wall saying that any paslode that used non Paslode nails wouldnt be covered by warranty.

The other manufacturers didn't try that junk so so why would anyone buy from a manufacturer that put masses of limitations on usage when the others didn't?

To be fair to Paslode, they do make the best positive placement guns for nailing joist hangers and trussclips though, not used any better yet.
I feel they have lost their edge with the first and second fix nailers though.

Offline antss

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2017, 05:32 PM »
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there was a snotty note un the wall saying that any paslode that used non Paslode nails wouldnt be covered by warranty.

I didn't think that was legal.  [unsure]

I'm not sure how they'd tell when it was sent it for say an electronic failure ?

Offline DB10

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2017, 07:38 PM »
Talking of Paslode nails, they are the only nails I use in my Dewalt framing nailer now. Less grief overall I find.
  And although I like my Dewalt framer, it replaced a really old Paslode gun.
I now only use my framing nailer occasionally and the Dewalt is perfect for this scenario I just don't think if I was to be using it every day that I would like it so much, I'm just not convinced that it would hold up to 8 hours a day five days a week worth of use.

Offline Darwood

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2021, 03:44 PM »
Cutting a roof at present using a DeWalt gun have to say totally impressed,used to Paslode and all the usual issues,have used Hitachi in past and had issues, working with another chippie,his gun but am seriously considering retirement for Paslode

Offline demographic

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2021, 02:14 PM »
Nowadays you couldn't give me a Paslode, I'm not at all interested.
Loads more noise and much less reliable than my De-Walt.
Nowadays I just give the gas cartridges that come in the boxes away to the guys that still have the guns for em.

I'm never having another gas powered nailer as long as I live.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2021, 07:36 PM »
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there was a snotty note un the wall saying that any paslode that used non Paslode nails wouldnt be covered by warranty.

I didn't think that was legal.  [unsure]

I'm not sure how they'd tell when it was sent it for say an electronic failure ?

It's not legal in the US, but they can say pretty much anything they want and hope people believe them. The real issue is that the only remedy would be in court and the value/cost of the tool would make this not so practical to take on. So, illegal as it may be, it still works for them and that's why they do it.
This would fall under the "Magnuson-Moss warranty act" and in court you would win....and still be upside down.
I have no idea how this would work in the UK however?
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Offline notenoughcash

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Re: Framing Nailer in the U.K.
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2021, 06:06 AM »
look at the hikoki or miliwaukee

both better than durwalt, and more powerful to, but afik the milwaukee is heavier
turns out that woodworking is 1% making things you'll use, 4% making bespoke high end firewood, 15% cleaning, and 80% looking for the bl**dy thing you just put down
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