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Offline ChuckM

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Removing table saw offcuts safely
« on: February 10, 2020, 06:32 PM »
I’ve seen some jigs people use to steer offcuts or small parts away from a spinning blade. Does anyone have a good jig or method to share?

My heartbeat feels stronger when I see some Youtubers pushing scraps away from the blade with a stick or something while the motor is still running in full force. My practice is to have the saw turned off which is time-consuming when I have a lot of pieces to do. (Just last weekend, I came across two woodworkers -- one a guitar maker -- with a missing thumb!)
« Last Edit: February 10, 2020, 06:35 PM by ChuckM »

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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2020, 09:08 PM »
I’d much rather wait for the saw to stop than take a trip to the emergency room

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Offline RJNeal

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2020, 09:36 PM »
Very true Birdhunter.
To me it depends on the offcut. Size and length.  Sometime the saw goes off, and some time they push out of the way with the push stick.
It also depend on the saw. — job site table saw or a cabinet saw = vibrations
Just never reach over the blade. Don’t ask how I know that, but I learned that when I was about ten or so. Nip a nail, but it looks normal.
Rick
« Last Edit: February 10, 2020, 09:40 PM by RJNeal »
Have you walked your saw today?

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2020, 10:34 PM »
I have a 1950 Uni complete with jet-lock fence and goose egg that my son and I complete restored - bullet motor and all. First new part I bought for it was a Shark Guard (like I had on my previous 3 TS’s). I use a blade guard whenever possible so I too mostly wait for the saw to stop but if they are long enough I will go to the back of the saw and will pull them out - quickly. If I’m using a miter gage and there are small cutoffs usually following cuts will clear them - if longer I may use a long stick to push them out of the way. Always stay out of the line of fire.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2020, 04:52 AM »
The MicoJig GRR-RIPPER is good for controlling both pieces in many situations if adjusted properly.
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Offline Alex

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2020, 06:31 AM »
There is only one way, just wait till the darn thing stops.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2020, 08:36 AM »
I use a pencil

Offline Gregor

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2020, 10:17 AM »
I set the fence so that it ends a cm or so behind the front of the blade, resulting in the offcut being unable to bind between fence and blade, resulting it the blade not flinging it, resulting in me being able to (re-)move offcuts safely with a push stick.

YMMV.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2020, 11:37 AM »
Thanks for the responses.

I was making some 80 blanks and stopping the cabinet saw each time to remove an offcut was problematic, hence my search here for a better alternative, if any. I ended up changing the jig a bit to make two blanks each time instead of one to cut down the number of motor stops. I probably will redo the jig so 4 blanks can be cut each time, reducing further the no. of start-stop actions.

The offcuts were odd-shaped, thin and small, and it was unsafe to use a stick or a pencil to steer them away from the blade unless I took great care (and time) to do so, which defeated the purpose of trying to save some time.   
« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 11:47 AM by ChuckM »

Offline Svar

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2020, 11:46 AM »
The offcuts were odd-shaped, thin and small...
A vacuum/dust extractor hose to suck them out of the way?

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2020, 11:48 AM »
I have seen something like that in a youtube video using some kind of suction. 

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2020, 12:22 PM »
Make a guide like this to steer offcuts away from the blade ...





wood and rare earth magnets.

Regards from Perth

Derek
« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 12:24 PM by derekcohen »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2020, 12:35 PM »
The offcuts were odd-shaped, thin and small...
A vacuum/dust extractor hose to suck them out of the way?

 [thumbs up]

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2020, 12:44 PM »
Make a guide like this to steer offcuts away from the blade ...





wood and rare earth magnets.

Regards from Perth

Derek

This rare earth magnet idea sounds interesting, Derek. Is there supposed to be a picture in your post?

Offline Lbob131

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2020, 04:23 PM »
I  have a slider. And just  let  each  off cut do  the pushing.
Until they   drop of the back  off the machine.
And keep  the fence   well forward  so that  once the piece  is  cut, it is  well  clear  of the fence.
So no snagging  on the blade.

Offline simonh

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2020, 04:58 PM »
If the pieces are just thin and small so don't really present any danger of kickback and are more just a nuisance on the table, and if you have a CTL-SYS... Connect the hose to the outlet so it acts as a blower then just blow them off the back of the table each time, or hook it up in position so it's blowing them away as you cut.
-Simon

Online zapdafish

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2020, 05:14 PM »
if the fence is out of the way  not sure what the issue is of just letting them accumulate or moving it out of the way. that offcut angler sure looks like a nice setup. I'm surprised there isnt a gripper version of it, lol.

I'd submit something to Rockler and see if they take the idea and run with it, get some royalties.
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Online Mario Turcot

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2020, 09:42 AM »
@chuckM I sent you a PM and forgot to mention where on the video the jig was used. It's at 4:30s
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2020, 11:05 AM »
Please resend your msg, Mario. Nothing in the mailbox.

Online Mario Turcot

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2020, 11:08 AM »
@ChuckM
Please resend your msg, Mario. Nothing in the mailbox.

When I saw that I thought of your post :)
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2020, 11:13 AM »
Thanks. I have seen a similar set-up, and  it is nice to see it again. I have to move my table saw to a different location in order to use clamps like that. But Derek mentioned about rare earth magnets and that should solve my problem.

Offline Vondawg

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2020, 12:24 PM »
Thanks Mario !
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline thawey

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2020, 02:41 PM »
Thanks. I have seen a similar set-up, and  it is nice to see it again. I have to move my table saw to a different location in order to use clamps like that. But Derek mentioned about rare earth magnets and that should solve my problem.

Table Saw Deflector Wedge courtesy of Rod Sheridan

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2020, 02:54 PM »
Thanks, Thawey.

The link allows forum members only to access. But Google found me Rod's jig: https://forum.canadianwoodworking.com/forum/woodworking/woodworking-aa/53530-tablesaw-safety-the-deflector-wedge

I like the handle approach, too. I will make a couple of them (heck, it is so easy, I will make three!).

Edit: I also found the template: https://tinyurl.com/wnj76g7
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 02:57 PM by ChuckM »

Online Mario Turcot

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2020, 02:56 PM »
Thanks, Thawey.

The link allows forum members only to access. But Google found me Rod's jig: https://forum.canadianwoodworking.com/forum/woodworking/woodworking-aa/53530-tablesaw-safety-the-deflector-wedge

I like the handle approach, too. I will make a couple of them (heck, it is so easy, I will make three!).

What about adding a magswitch :)
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2020, 02:59 PM »
The magswitches are great but expensive. I use them on my featherboards.

Online Mario Turcot

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2020, 03:00 PM »
The magswitches are great but expensive. I use them on my featherboards.

I agree, they are expensive. Make your jigs so they are easy to interchange between them  [tongue]

Just found this one Keychain magswitch
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2020, 03:15 PM »

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2020, 05:29 PM »
Are any of you familiar with the Ten Million Dollar Stick from FastCap? I have not ever used it (yet) on the Table Saw but I do use it often when I have small off cut pieces on the Miter Saw. I is pretty cool for under twenty dollars.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Removing table saw offcuts safely
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2020, 07:14 PM »
I use the 10mn $ stick mostly on the mitre saw, but have found it handy on several occasions when operating the table saw cross-cut sled. Using it to remove offcuts on the table saw is risky as it is no different from any long stick...it could be really nasty if the stick made contact with a spinning blade while in the process of pushing away any offcut.  [scared]
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 07:18 PM by ChuckM »