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Offline FestitaMakool

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« on: February 13, 2020, 12:38 PM »
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I have never heard of Auer, until now that is. And they look very good indeed.
I’m using Raaco, similar to Auer and the new sortainers. But I have not been confident to fill the whole box with heavy screws. The plastic is of the semi-soft type. I enjoying them with one of my other hobbies, building and restoring RC scale cars. Since now Festool came with these, I like the fact that is part of the systainer system, now that I finally plunged into Festool. Otherwise it might have been different. (There’s been no particular “system” on the market here, but a lot of one off sales, and you end up with none that you can stack and store together)
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Offline DeformedTree

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 12:54 PM »

The new Festool sortainers have transparent lids (which is new to the range) and use a modular system of boxes and a kind of pattern on the bottom to hold them in place. Which is exactly what the Auer boxes do, which makes this a kind of Samsung/Apple thing. Festool (that is Tanos) probably saw what Auer (and others?) did & have adapted it to their system.
Systainers etc. comply to a European (maybe worldwide) system of sizes (Euronorm, based on what shipping pallets measure), to be more precise they fit into a 300*400 mm footprint (with packaging exactly); and other products use that same metric. So, the Auer boxes have the same footprint.

Besides, Auer have been on the market with their system for quite a while now. And when I wanted to organize my shop they had the solution I needed. : )

Sadly the Euronorm system isn't in north America (aside from fragments like Tanos Systainers).  It's very frustrating.  Auer doesn't ship to the US. Getting folks to understand the benefit/beauty of it is a lot like trying to get them to want to switch to ISO paper sizes instead of the US paper sizes, it just doesn't connect. The Auer catalog is just depressing, so much great stuff, so cheap, yet can't be bought here.

Offline TinyShop

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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 01:40 PM »

The new Festool sortainers have transparent lids (which is new to the range) and use a modular system of boxes and a kind of pattern on the bottom to hold them in place. Which is exactly what the Auer boxes do, which makes this a kind of Samsung/Apple thing. Festool (that is Tanos) probably saw what Auer (and others?) did & have adapted it to their system.
Systainers etc. comply to a European (maybe worldwide) system of sizes (Euronorm, based on what shipping pallets measure), to be more precise they fit into a 300*400 mm footprint (with packaging exactly); and other products use that same metric. So, the Auer boxes have the same footprint.

Besides, Auer have been on the market with their system for quite a while now. And when I wanted to organize my shop they had the solution I needed. : )

Sadly the Euronorm system isn't in north America (aside from fragments like Tanos Systainers).  It's very frustrating.  Auer doesn't ship to the US. Getting folks to understand the benefit/beauty of it is a lot like trying to get them to want to switch to ISO paper sizes instead of the US paper sizes, it just doesn't connect. The Auer catalog is just depressing, so much great stuff, so cheap, yet can't be bought here.

Are you sure about the U.S. shipping prohibition? When I looked into it in the past they were all set up to ship worldwide (including to N.A.).
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Offline Euclid

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 03:20 PM »
On the Auer website...

https://www.auer-packaging.com/gb/en/Shipping-costs.html

under the "shipping costs overview" page there is "Rest of the world: on request".

But if you begin to assemble a shopping basket of stuff and go to checkout, "United States" is available as an invoice and delivery address. I would have a go at assembling an order and see how how far it lets you go (without committing to a purchase) with US as the destination. From what (admittedly little) I know of Auer, they might send you a quote for shipping on an outside-of-Europe delivery. A couple of friends have good reports of dealing with Auer, and have had email responses to queries.

I've been looking at their stuff since before the current range of cases (the 'Systainer-ish' ones) actually went on sale. Haven't taken the plunge yet, but very tempted. From the UK, any order of 220 UKP gets free shipping.

I fancy a couple of these too:
https://www.auer-packaging.com/gb/en/Drawer-containers.html

And these look both versatile and good value:
https://www.auer-packaging.com/gb/en/Screw-top-jars-Basic.html

The discounts on bulk orders look good, although the quantities - in most cases - are somewhat beyond what an individual is likely to need...
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Offline DeformedTree

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 07:21 PM »
I've tried in the past, the website implies they will ship, but they won't. I contacted them directly and the confirmed they will not ship to the US and they recommended I pick stuff up at the factory.

I think those in N.A. who did eventually get stuff got it by having a contact in the EU who shipped stuff on to them.

It's a real shame, if they showed up in the US offering all their stuff as is (no inch conversion, redesign etc) and maintained the prices they would make an absolute killing here.

Offline Euclid

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2020, 03:52 AM »
Ah - my apologies; I didn't realise that you had pursued it as far as that. As you say, a shame.
I've no idea what the shipping cost would be for an individual sending stuff UK to US.
If I did get around to making a large-ish order, I could re-visit this...

Offline ForumMFG

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2020, 11:42 AM »
Wow, just looked at the AUER product line.  Very impressive.  Wish we could get it here in north america.  I didn’t see any pricing but i saw someone said they are much less expensive then festool.  If thats the case, then why is it that festool jacks up the price on everything they sell? Absolutely everything.  I don’t understand it.  Its like they are specifically targeting wealthy people which limits their market. 


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Online Cheese

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2020, 12:22 PM »
I looked at some of the AUER cases for screws and they were in the $19 range. It seems to me that there may be shipping available to the US because the website allows you to choose the country and the currency.

Here's a web page on shipping costs to the US.
https://www.auer-packaging.com/us/en/Shipping-costs.html

Here are the equivalent Festool items.
https://www.auer-packaging.com/gb/en/Assortment-boxes-40-x-30-cm.html
https://www.auer-packaging.com/us/en/Assortment-box-loaded-40-x-30-cm/SB-43-B2.html

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Maybe Tool Nut would be interested in becoming a distributor?
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2020, 12:38 PM »
@Shane Holland
Maybe Tool Nut would be interested in becoming a distributor?

@Cheese, thanks for the tag, I had been following the thread and saw the interest in Auer. We don't have any immediate plans to add this to our offerings, but I have added them to an internal document of potential future product lines. If/when we do decide to offer their products, you guys will be the first to hear about it.
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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2020, 01:48 PM »
Wow, just looked at the AUER product line.  Very impressive.  Wish we could get it here in north america.  I didn’t see any pricing but i saw someone said they are much less expensive then festool.  If thats the case, then why is it that festool jacks up the price on everything they sell? Absolutely everything.  I don’t understand it.  Its like they are specifically targeting wealthy people which limits their market. 

AUER have just ventured into the consumer market a short(ish) while ago. They seem to have had and still have a nice business providing the automotive industry with packaging and distribution products. All of these are made in house using very advanced machinery. It looks like they are highly automated and can switch to making different products on very short notice.
It seems that they are seriously broadening their market from the German-language home markets they have been serving exclusively until a few years ago.
I also think they do a lot of OEM work, but it is hard to find out more about that.
Anyway: specialisation and automation, combined with selling straight to the end user (note the way the prices are a lot lower when one orders a whole pallet of a product!) could be the reason why they are so cheap.
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Offline grobkuschelig

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2020, 02:20 PM »
I know the Auer product from work (Automotive supply, as mentioned above) where the usual products are open top boxes/cases for storage etc.
Well build and good durable quality.

I also bought some of their Systainers for use in the garage.
You should be able to find a thread on the FOG with some detailed pictures.

To the comment of Festool „upmarking“ I can only say that you need to keep in mind the different distribution channels. Auer stuff is either industry supply or direct sell.
Your Festool dealer also wants to be able to eat and buy tools for himself. :)

ALSO: the Tanos/Festool Systainers are definitely better build than the Auer ones.
The Auer ones are well build. Don’t get me wrong, I like them and they are sturdy and good.
But the T-Loc style is more rigid and I prefer them.

I will add some more Auers to my collection, for the price they are unbeatable. ;)

Offline ForumMFG

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2020, 02:46 PM »
I know the Auer product from work (Automotive supply, as mentioned above) where the usual products are open top boxes/cases for storage etc.
Well build and good durable quality.

I also bought some of their Systainers for use in the garage.
You should be able to find a thread on the FOG with some detailed pictures.

To the comment of Festool „upmarking“ I can only say that you need to keep in mind the different distribution channels. Auer stuff is either industry supply or direct sell.
Your Festool dealer also wants to be able to eat and buy tools for himself. :)

ALSO: the Tanos/Festool Systainers are definitely better build than the Auer ones.
The Auer ones are well build. Don’t get me wrong, I like them and they are sturdy and good.
But the T-Loc style is more rigid and I prefer them.

I will add some more Auers to my collection, for the price they are unbeatable. ;)


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Offline DeformedTree

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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2020, 08:07 PM »
I might make an attempt with Auer again. I know was frustrated before as it all looked good, but in the end was a no go. I think they basically set up a global site, but were not currently operating that way. Maybe it has changed.

Their catalogs remind me a lot of IKEA, they have a very similar look. 

There are a lot of companies that make Euronorm containers, but very few sell the stuff outside the EU, and what is in the US has massive markup that makes the stuff basically pointless, and the offerings are much reduced.

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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2020, 08:29 PM »
I might make an attempt with Auer again. I know was frustrated before as it all looked good, but in the end was a no go. I think they basically set up a global site, but were not currently operating that way. Maybe it has changed.

Their catalogs remind me a lot of IKEA, they have a very similar look. 

There are a lot of companies that make Euronorm containers, but very few sell the stuff outside the EU, and what is in the US has massive markup that makes the stuff basically pointless, and the offerings are much reduced.

It is pretty inefficient to ship what amount to being empty plastic boxes (i.e. "mostly air") across the Atlantic - no doubt much of the reason for the markup - so I have to wonder if there's a system in place to pack items inside to help offset the shipping charge. Maybe, at the very least, mini's and micros?
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Offline DeformedTree

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2020, 11:20 PM »
I might make an attempt with Auer again. I know was frustrated before as it all looked good, but in the end was a no go. I think they basically set up a global site, but were not currently operating that way. Maybe it has changed.

Their catalogs remind me a lot of IKEA, they have a very similar look. 

There are a lot of companies that make Euronorm containers, but very few sell the stuff outside the EU, and what is in the US has massive markup that makes the stuff basically pointless, and the offerings are much reduced.

It is pretty inefficient to ship what amount to being empty plastic boxes (i.e. "mostly air") across the Atlantic - no doubt much of the reason for the markup - so I have to wonder if there's a system in place to pack items inside to help offset the shipping charge. Maybe, at the very least, mini's and micros?

Yeah, which is exactly why IKEA does "flatpack".   Still,   seacontainers are rather cheap to send across oceans, if you aren't in a rush, can be really cheap. Lots of them head to china empty to bring back more stuff.  Of course one of the whole reasons behind a lot of AUERs stuff is the euronorm form factor, which of course packs up nicely on pallets.  The small items aren't what interest me the most. It's the 400x600 and 800x600 type containers.  So a lot of air. Mode of transport is key, sometimes it's volume that is expensive, other time it is weight.  If a container has a lot of heavy stuff loaded in it, they have no issue filling the rest with dunnage in the form of largely air-filled packages.

Offline Dusty.Tools

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2020, 01:04 AM »
I might make an attempt with Auer again. I know was frustrated before as it all looked good, but in the end was a no go. I think they basically set up a global site, but were not currently operating that way. Maybe it has changed.

Their catalogs remind me a lot of IKEA, they have a very similar look. 

There are a lot of companies that make Euronorm containers, but very few sell the stuff outside the EU, and what is in the US has massive markup that makes the stuff basically pointless, and the offerings are much reduced.

It is pretty inefficient to ship what amount to being empty plastic boxes (i.e. "mostly air") across the Atlantic - no doubt much of the reason for the markup - so I have to wonder if there's a system in place to pack items inside to help offset the shipping charge. Maybe, at the very least, mini's and micros?
I have ~100 Assortment boxes that I had shipped to my brother in the U.K. and then on to Seattle. Shipping was 20% of the total cost, which isn’t too bad but I believe he has UPS/Fedex/DHL discounts that he’s passing on to me.

I also brought enough insertable boxes to fill up four 24x24” drawers. I’ve also started using Kaizen foam to create custom layouts, like a Parf System kit.

It’s a bit of a hassle but for the price it’s hard to beat the quality and flexibility of their system.




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