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Offline Miles789

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2020, 12:52 PM »
I think for what you will be needing it for both are worthy choices but you never know what you might need it for in the future so I would go with the M18 Milwaukee sawzall .
« Last Edit: June 14, 2020, 02:21 PM by Miles789 »

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Offline hdv

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2020, 02:17 PM »
Today the installer's drill and the hackzall finally arrived. I haven't had the time yet to put them through their paces, but here's my first impression of the drill.

The balance and weight are great. I really like how this drill feels in hand. The forward/reverse button issue some mentioned is no issue to me. My hand is just a bit too small to reach the button on top without changing my grip, but I don't think that will detract from it's usability.

Despite all the plastic this drill does feel sturdy.

I don't know why, but I've always hated belt clips on drills. So that was removed as soon as I took it out of the box. It is attached with one screw, so not problems there. You can screw it back on either side of the handle if you prefer to do so.

The magnet on the front is strong enough to not lose bits or fasteners. The LED is powerful enough and aimed in such a manner that I think it will be quite useful in actual use.

There are two things that surprised me though. The first is that the 90 degree angle chuck rotates in the opposite direction as the drill itself. So when you use that chuck, forward is reverse and vice versa. I did not try this chuck during the demo, so I hadn't noticed before. No biggie, I will get used to it.

The other thing is that the hex chuck it too deep for my Wera bits (see photo).



I tried several bits with it and noticed it does not really lock the bits. You can pull them out quite easily with your fingers, if they are long enough (the bits that is  [wink] ). But it is not like the bits will fall out either. Wera rapidators on the other hand can't be pulled out of the chuck without using excessive force.

Some commented on the trigger not being "linear". That may be true. However, I already found that with a little Fingerspitzengefühl you can manipulate the speed quite well. So, while not optimal, this shouldn't keep anyone from choosing this drill either in my opinion.

I haven't tried the torque or how long the battery will last yet, but all in all I think I will be quite happy with this drill.

[Edit: the bit next to the drill is identical to the bit in the chuck]

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2020, 02:51 PM »
The balance and weight are great. I really like how this drill feels in hand. The forward/reverse button issue some mentioned is no issue to me. My hand is just a bit too small to reach the button on top without changing my grip, but I don't think that will detract from it's usability.
How you hold the driver is different than a regular impact or drill. Put your thumb and forefinger pointing towards the tip of the drill/driver and use your middle finger for the trigger. Now hitting the button with your thumb doesn't require any grip readjustment.

Oh and to continue your tool purchases in the M12 lineup you will definitely need a Surge impact. The M12 impacts are used by me 90% of the time, over an 18 volt.

Offline Roachmill

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2020, 03:39 PM »
I just couldn't get on with the fact small wire bits almost disappear into the chuck and are a fiddle to get out. Quick change bits should be quick to change. Also, not physically holding the bit in place was a let-down. Wera Rapidapters are great in that they hold any kind of bit solidly and are easy to change bits but, for a drill that's meant to get in to tight spaces, I don't want to have to swap it in and out.

The Bosch Flexiclick won the battle between the two drills pretty easily. It's not as pretty but it works... and works well IMO.

Offline CarlsonCarpentry

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2020, 03:55 PM »
I just couldn't get on with the fact small wire bits almost disappear into the chuck and are a fiddle to get out. Quick change bits should be quick to change. Also, not physically holding the bit in place was a let-down. Wera Rapidapters are great in that they hold any kind of bit solidly and are easy to change bits but, for a drill that's meant to get in to tight spaces, I don't want to have to swap it in and out.

The Bosch Flexiclick won the battle between the two drills pretty easily. It's not as pretty but it works... and works well IMO.

No impact driver or bit holder for drills are meant for those little 1” bits. The 1” bits are for chucked in bit holders. For chucking bits straight into drill/drivers you need 2” or larger bits.

Offline Roachmill

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2020, 04:13 PM »
No impact driver or bit holder for drills are meant for those little 1” bits. The 1” bits are for chucked in bit holders. For chucking bits straight into drill/drivers you need 2” or larger bits.

Times must be a'changing as both my Bosch Flexiclick and Makita DDF083 take them in and out without blinking. The Trend and DeWalt snappy chucks I have also work really well.

Edit: the DDFs have Rapidapters in them and are a right faff with short bits. Oops, my apologies! The Flexiclicks hold them (and Centrotech bits) perfectly tight though - and that includes the right angle and offset chucks too.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 08:49 AM by Roachmill »

Offline hdv

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2020, 04:23 PM »
@Peter_C: I know. For me, I can't even hold a drill in any other way. That is because my forefinger can't bend anymore. Several decades ago I had a nasty infection in the bones of the 2nd and 3rd digits of that finger. At one point my hand was even paralysed. It took more than a year to heal, and after that the bones were fused.

As fas as impact drivers are concerned, I have a very nice Makita that is getting seriously old. That thing just won't quit. I really hope there is no new impact driver in my near future.  [big grin]

@CarlsonCarpentry: That's new to me. I never knew about that. One learns something new every day. Thanks! I guess that means I have to buy a set of longer bits.  [unsure]

Before I do that I'll try a trick I've used before. I must have a rare earth magnet of the right size somewhere. If I can find it I'll drop it in the chuck and see if that improves the situation.

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2020, 03:36 PM »
Before I do that I'll try a trick I've used before. I must have a rare earth magnet of the right size somewhere. If I can find it I'll drop it in the chuck and see if that improves the situation.
When I went to use my driver yesterday I realized you might not know about the secret feature. So here it is...Remove the 1/4" chuck, and insert your tip directly into the end of the 1/4" shaft. It already has a magnet for holding the bits, and it will hold a shorty bit. Happens to also make the tool shorter.

Still my preference is to use 2" bit drivers, and the magnet on the front of the tool holds two 2" bit drivers. I typically carry 4-5 bits (T15, T25, #2 Phillips, flat blade, and other times a larger flat blade or larger #3 Phillips), but 2 bits are better than non on the tool itself.

Offline hdv

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2020, 04:56 PM »
Yeah. I noticed that myself after you sent your previous post. But, as I would never use this machine as an impact driver anyway, because it just isn't an impact driver, I have dropped two small cylindrical rare-earth magnets in the chuck. Now the depth is perfect.

Offline Shane Holland

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Re: Opinions on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless sawsall?
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2020, 07:10 PM »
Just a friendly heads up for anyone looking for an M12 hackzall.

We have a pretty sweet deal coming on an M12 FUEL (brushless) impact driver and hackzall kit starting on 7/1 for $100 off the current price.

Quantities will be limited, while supplies last.

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