Author Topic: Oneida's new Supercell collector  (Read 4119 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline DynaGlide

  • Posts: 698
Oneida's new Supercell collector
« on: June 20, 2019, 01:55 PM »
https://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/awfs/awfs-news/oneidas-new-supercell-dust-collector-delivers-8x-static-pressure

Looks like I might finally get a dust collector in my small shop. To be released next month.
Instagram @matts.garage

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Online Jiggy Joiner

  • Posts: 1039
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2019, 04:10 PM »
That looks interesting.

Offline RKA

  • Posts: 1916
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2019, 04:13 PM »
That's interesting.  Can you post more info when it becomes available?  I'm curious about the CFM specs.  This seems like an updated version of their Dust Cobra which will work on a range of hand held tools and machines.
-Raj

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 2041
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2019, 04:23 PM »
Looks like modified Dust Cobra
https://www.oneida-air.com/industrial-dust-cobra-full-unit-hepa-2-stage-vacuum-17-gallon
245 CFM at 23" WC, Maximum Suction 70" WC
It's a shop vac on top of cyclone, no magic there. I'd be surprised if Supercell is any different.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2019, 04:57 PM by Svar »

Offline live4ever

  • Posts: 831
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2019, 05:18 PM »
Interesting.  If it’s also quieter than a traditional collector I’ll buy one immediately.
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

Offline RaptorScrew

  • Posts: 1
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2019, 02:53 PM »
We'll see how this goes - Just delivered this week.  Will set up this weekend and go from there.

Offline JimD

  • Posts: 443
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2019, 02:25 PM »
Interesting but more specifications are needed.  Like how much current does it draw?  More static pressure equals less airflow.  That is why shop vacs don't flow what DCs are.  Oneida may have made a good tradeoff and produced something really interesting but, if so, where is the data?  I am skeptical.  My HF 2hp DC only gives me about 400 CFM at the table saw hooked with 5 inch metal pipe almost all the way.  That works but is not overly powerful.  I don't know how much lower would work but my 100 CFM shop vac did not.  If it is like the 245CFM dust cobra it would probably not work so great.  And I need more air at my CMS and planner, I think, they are not hooked up yet. 

I am skeptical that anything 120V with high static pressure capability flows enough for the larger tools.  The capability of just moving a hose around and hooking up any tool in the shop is interesting I am just not sure it has the CFM for bigger tools.  I suspect it is a super shop vac - like the dust cobra.  That is not terrible but if that's what it is, I think a DC and shop vac are still required to cover the range of shop tools I want to use. 

Offline RKA

  • Posts: 1916
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2019, 07:38 PM »
Jim, I am as skeptical as you.  It seems like this would work well for small shops, while minimally meeting the demands of a machine with a 4” port.

Their specs indicate 5hp, 17A, 230V, 415cfm @ 3” WC.  The link below has the specs under the specs tab.  In the pictures of the unit, cycle to the last picture and they provide a chart that will provide a better sense of the airflow as the size of the port on the tool changes. 

I think if I had portable machines with 2.5” ports and smaller, this would be the ticket with 350 cfm of airflow, but matching or slightly exceeding a vacuum or DE with 1.25” ports.  I agree with you, at 4” and larger ports it’s a tough sell, unless the smaller size of this all in one cyclone meets a requirement.

https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/new-systems/supercell/supercell-high-pressure-14-gal-hepa-cyclone-dust-collector
-Raj

Offline alainp

  • Posts: 1
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2020, 09:24 AM »
We'll see how this goes - Just delivered this week.  Will set up this weekend and go from there.

Any feedback you want to share? I am looking to improve dust collection in my shop and this looks too good to be true (except the price)

Offline egmiii

  • Posts: 186
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2020, 09:43 AM »
If price is an issue and you have the space, then you could build your own. Three shop vacs and three mini cyclones in parallel would give you equal or better performance. They just take up a lot more floor space. I did it for $750.

Offline Bob D.

  • Posts: 1621
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2020, 09:56 AM »
I can only imagine what three shop-vacs screaming in unison sounds like.  [eek]
-----
It's a table saw, do you know where your fingers are?

Offline Michael Kellough

  • Posts: 4728
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2020, 10:00 AM »
Interesting.  If it’s also quieter than a traditional collector I’ll buy one immediately.

Remains to be seen, or heard. As implied above, the Supercell uses three 220v vac fan motors in one housing.

Offline egmiii

  • Posts: 186
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2020, 10:00 AM »
I can only imagine what three shop-vacs screaming in unison sounds like.  [eek]

It’s loud as heck. But I always wear 30db hearing protection while working, so it doesn’t really matter. Long term plan is to build a small closet.

Offline Gregor

  • Posts: 1664
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2020, 11:34 AM »
Quote
eight times the static pressure of traditional units

Static pressure is completely meaningless - unless you want to build a vacuum chamber.

The metric relevant for dust extraction is amount-of-air per timespan moved (cfm or m³/h, depending on your kind of units) at the pressures that exist at inlet and outlet of the (whatever kind of) 'pump' you employ.

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 2041
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2020, 12:01 PM »
Quote
eight times the static pressure of traditional units
Static pressure is completely meaningless - unless you want to build a vacuum chamber.
The metric relevant for dust extraction is amount-of-air per timespan moved (cfm or m³/h, depending on your kind of units) at the pressures that exist at inlet and outlet of the (whatever kind of) 'pump' you employ.
Static pressure is absolutely meaningful. Three basic parameters that describe your system are static pressure that pump can deliver, air flow rate, and friction losses in your duct network. All three are interrelated.
(Good analogy is electrical circuit. In this analogy static pressure is voltage. Is voltage a meaningless metric?).

In this particular Supercell unit high static pressure means you can connect it to a hand power tool with a long narrow hose and it will collect dust. Something you can't do with traditional high flow, low pressure stationary dust collector.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2020, 04:47 PM by Svar »

Offline ChuckM

  • Posts: 1724
Re: Oneida's new Supercell collector
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2020, 12:17 PM »
I can only imagine what three shop-vacs screaming in unison sounds like.  [eek]

Probably like working under a running airplane engine. [eek]

I built a box to house a shop vac and the result was pleasantly surprising: https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/366049

In terms of dust filtration, I've built one with a furnace fan (used with three furnace filters, 1 in (nylon type, washable) 2 out), and again I can't be happier. The unit is mounted on castors so it is low on the floor and can be wheeled closer to the source of dust generation. I don't like the idea that the filtration system is mounted overhead and dust is sucked up.

In practical terms: I recently jointed lengths of boards on the sawstop (with the dust collection blade guard in place). Because they were edge cuts, lots of dust could still be seen on the table. After an hour of work with the furnace system running, there were no visible dust particles found on my glasses! My shop is about 200  - 220 sq ft.

I have another spare furnace fan from my neighbor but have yet to find time to build a second system. (I paid $60 Cdn for the first fan unit.)
« Last Edit: January 07, 2020, 01:01 PM by ChuckM »