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Offline simonh

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Re: New table saw advice
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2023, 04:36 AM »
Quote from: Packard on February 23, 2023, 09:56 AM
It is probably a mistake too, to buy a machine without the hot dog stopping technology.  Saw Stop is the leader in that field, and their saws are supposed to be excellent even if you ignore the Saw Stop technology.

It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few years with hot dog technology. I asked why the new battery-powered Festool CSC didn't have it and was told that it wouldn't work with no earth connection on a battery-powered saw. So, it seems there are some limitations and given the contractors' market is heading battery everything... ?

Also, in the industrial line, we now have the likes of Altendorf with big sliding table saws that have cameras that detect hand movement and retract the blades without damage.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New table saw advice
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2023, 09:16 AM »
Quote from: rmhinden on February 24, 2023, 01:35 AM
I have only dropped the nut on my PCS once and it also went into the dust collection hose.   Wasn't hard to find :-)

Bob

Is the hose right under the blade?

On my ancient (as old as me) Walker Turner saw the nut just drops into the dust accumulated in the bottom of the base cabinet. I keep a magnetic pickup nearby. The collection hose is out back at the bottom of the cabinet. I replaced a removable panel there with a port to fit the hose. Originally there was no provision for dust collection, just an access panel to fit a small shovel.  [tongue]
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Offline Packard

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Re: New table saw advice
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2023, 10:05 AM »
My DeWalt Contractors’ II saw has a funnel-like pan that connects to the 4” dust extraction hose. 

Years ago, I spent about 3 hours going through the dust, only to find that the nut only made it to the lowest section of the hose.

After that, I cut a piece of 1/4” x 1/4” (or maybe 3/8” x 3/8”) wire mesh meant for some sort of fencing.  I got it at Lowes in a small roll.  I cut it to fit over the tray. 

It does not interfere with the dust collection, and the saw blade nut is too large to fall through the openings.  I think even a 1/2” x 1/2” would work.

I just did the math.  Half inch squares would have a diagonal of 0.707”.  If the size of the nut across the flats is more than 0.707”, that would work also.

The hex shaped chicken wire will not. 

Funny thing though.  I have not dropped the nut since installing the mesh about 23 years ago. 
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Offline rmhinden

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Re: New table saw advice
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2023, 04:29 PM »
Quote from: Michael Kellough on February 24, 2023, 09:16 AM

Is the hose right under the blade?


Sort of, there is a blade shroud that the hose connects to.  It does a good job for dust collection and catching the nut.

Here is a picture.

Bob

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: New table saw advice
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2023, 07:46 PM »
I dropped it twice last Saturday and neither time did it go down the hose, but that really is a thing. "Finding" it is not so bad, you know where it is, when it's down the hose. You just have to crawl under the outfeed table an disconnect the hose. This time, I heard it the metal bottom, so I knew it wasn't in the hose.
 The dust collection is pretty decent, because of the trough thing, so digging in the dust isn't so bad. Our old PowerMatics would get neglected once in a while and the dust would get so deep inside that it would fall out on the floor, when the door was opened. I never dropped the nut or flange washer in those though.

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Offline Packard

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Re: New table saw advice
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2023, 08:14 PM »
My blade nut is about 1/3 the width of what is pictured.  The smallest aperture my nut has to travel on its way to the collection nag is 4” in diameter.  The image shown looks entirely foreign to me.
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Offline Vtshopdog

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Re: New table saw advice
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2023, 10:25 AM »
Quote from: Crazyraceguy on February 24, 2023, 07:46 PM
I dropped it twice last Saturday and neither time did it go down the hose, but that really is a thing. "Finding" it is not so bad, you know where it is, when it's down the hose. You just have to crawl under the outfeed table an disconnect the hose. This time, I heard it the metal bottom, so I knew it wasn't in the hose.
 The dust collection is pretty decent, because of the trough thing, so digging in the dust isn't so bad. Our old PowerMatics would get neglected once in a while and the dust would get so deep inside that it would fall out on the floor, when the door was opened. I never dropped the nut or flange washer in those though.

Maybe have one of these magnetic pickup tools kicking around??
https://www.amazon.com/flexible-magnetic-pickup-tool/s?k=flexible+magnetic+pickup+tool
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Offline JimH2

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Re: New table saw advice
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2023, 12:19 PM »
Quote from: Crazyraceguy on February 23, 2023, 07:40 PM
SawStops are great, I have worked with several different models of them, but there is one glaring problem with them. I have never heard anyone ever mention it, which I find weird. I grumble under my breath every time I have to change the blade. The bosses that the screws of the throat-plate bear against could not possibly be in a worse place.
Anyone who has ever used a PowerMatic 66 will know exactly what I mean. The way you reach into the opening to spin the nut off of the arbor allows you to kind of cup your fingers under it as you go.
Try that with the SawStop and you will feel it immediately. That stupid lump of cast iron is right it the way.

Digging that darn nut out of the dust collection hose gets old pretty fast.

It is anecdotal but I have never dropped the screws in my 12+ years with a SawStop PCS. I am 6 months in on an ICS with no drops.
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