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Offline Brian Livingstone

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New Router Table and Lift
« on: February 01, 2021, 12:05 PM »

Hello All,

I am in the market for a new high end router table.   As I am in Canada, I am somewhat limited to what is available. 

My local Lee Valley has the Sawstop Cast Iron stand alone router table, and the Sawstop router lift.  First option.

Second option is to order a unit from Jessem. I would likely get their deluxe setup. 

Any opinions on what the best option would be ?  I am a typical woodworker/cabinetmaker. 

Thank you.

Brian
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Offline woodferret

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2021, 03:50 PM »
Disclaimer - I have neither - just previous research.
But first, throwing another option - Elite tools sporadically carries the Incra clean sweep items if you find yourself doing more dados on the router table.

As for the toss-up between the SS and Jessem, I think it might depend on whether micro adjust is important to you.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2021, 05:46 PM »
I would love to have a cast iron router table top as I have number of MagSwitch accessories that would be wonderful on a router table.
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Offline jonnyrocket

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2021, 08:18 PM »
I use the sawstop cast iron wing on my table saw and an Incra router lift. I love the combination. As mentioned above, being able to use magswitch accessories is a very nice feature. Add that to the fact that the weight of the cast iron top bolted to the left side of my table saw makes the router table incredibly stable. The incra cleansweep magnetic adapter rings are also a very nice touch.

Online Steve1

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2021, 08:45 AM »
I built my own router table, but got all the components from Jessem --- table top, lift, fence with micro adjust, casters, stock guides.

I have no complaints.   Not cheap, but when you get it, you will accept you got your money's worth.    I got my components from Toolstore.ca --- prices were good and I am close enough to drive down and pick it up, saving the shipping costs.   They were not showing the metric version of the lift on their web site, but when I contacted them, they said they could order that just as easily.

I am not familiar with the Sawstop cast iron table top, but agree that a perfectly flat cast iron table top would be great to have.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2021, 08:48 AM by Steve1 »

Offline ghjaxman

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2021, 11:28 AM »
You said high-end, I would take a look at the new Harvey Compass line. 

I like a lot of people who built my own top, Peachtree Fence for around $50 bucks, Kreg Router plate, and Jessem stock guides.  That was good enough for me and it works.  Lots of choices in this area to make, a lot of great products and price points.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2021, 08:34 PM »
I'd suggest taking a long hard look at Sautershop's new tilting router lift:

https://www.sautershop.com/sauter-router-lifts-for-router-tables/pivoting-router-lift-ofl3.0/

Full unboxing:



...and install video here:

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Offline Alanbach

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2021, 12:33 AM »
I have a Jessem Master Lift Excel and I just can’t imagine needing anything better. It is awesome! The excel has a height adjustment wheel on the side just below the router table surface. No handle or extra tool to find in order to adjust the blade height. Just grab the wheel and adjust anytime. They also make a ready to add Wixey digital height device. The fence is super well built and versatile. I also have their coping sled device. It is just a great setup.

Offline rst

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2021, 08:32 PM »
I've been using a Benchdogs cast iron lift with a PC 7518 for more than 20 years.   That lift was originally marketed to small production shops that needed multiple shaping needs economically. It is cast iron with huge brass bushings and an above top screw lift utilizing a 9/16" socket for lift.  My lift lives in a self made 30 x 40" table with an Incra Wonderfence and 17"positioner and the Dust Router dust collection connected to my extractor with a Festool CMS split hose and a 50mm hose.  It has served me well all this time as I often am routing large pieces...mostly plastics but also all the quarter sawn trim in my house.  I have been really tempted to buy the cast iron table as I also use Magswitches, up to the 600 model for jig holders.  I have been able to work around most of the limitations of my 1 1/8" thick top over the years however.  Still resisting the temptation but only one really great job away from purchasing the cast iron top.

Offline flipj

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2022, 05:04 AM »
Is the tilt/pivot on the Sauter lift worthwhile?

I'd suggest taking a long hard look at Sautershop's new tilting router lift:

https://www.sautershop.com/sauter-router-lifts-for-router-tables/pivoting-router-lift-ofl3.0/

Full unboxing:



...and install video here:



Offline Mini Me

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2022, 08:00 AM »
Is the tilt/pivot on the Sauter lift worthwhile?

I think it would effectively give you more router bits without having to buy them if you follow what I mean. I first saw it on a Holzwerken video some years ago and thought what a great idea as it has the potential to add far more profiles to existing bits. I am building a new lift using a CNC water cooled spindle and I might add a tilt function to it if it does not present too much complication.

The Europeans are starting to abandon routers for table use and moving to spindles from what I can see and it is none too soon.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2022, 08:07 PM by Mini Me »

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2022, 03:44 PM »
I have been looking hard at the Woodpeckers version .
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Offline Peter Kelly

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2022, 05:05 PM »
I'd consider looking for a single phase spindle shaper. 3/4" tooling really isn't that much more expensive than router bits.

Offline Bryston

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2022, 07:53 PM »
Check out the SOTA Martin shapers, one model is over 90,000 bucks.

Offline Woodbeam

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2022, 08:08 PM »
I have the Festool router table and enjoy using it. Admittedly, it's my first table, so I can't compare to other models. I find it easy to use and set up is fine. I like that the height is standard. Does anyone else enjoy using it?

Offline Mini Me

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2022, 08:15 PM »
I'd consider looking for a single phase spindle shaper. 3/4" tooling really isn't that much more expensive than router bits.

The add on expense of a good power feeder and other safety equipment can add up if a shaper is used. A router table is ideal for a hobbyist who is not into doing bigger work but it can be a toss up deciding which one is more suited to some work. The Sauter lift sort of pushes the router table closer to some of the stuff a shaper can do especially using a more powerful spindle with decent grunt for bigger bits and deeper cuts.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2022, 09:21 PM »
I have been looking hard at the Woodpeckers version .
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They have a tilting router lift?
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It's a table saw, do you know where your fingers are?

Offline Muttley000

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2022, 09:54 PM »
I use the Jessel lift in my home built table with a Milwaukee spindle and it is awesome.  I dream of cast iron top someday, or better yet a tilting arbor shaper!
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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2022, 10:48 PM »
I have been looking hard at the Woodpeckers version .
Charlie


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They have a tilting router lift?
I don’t think so

I have agree in the shaper idea,way more power and can do a lot more.
But spendy
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Offline Peter Kelly

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2022, 12:00 AM »
The add on expense of a good power feeder and other safety equipment can add up if a shaper is used. A router table is ideal for a hobbyist who is not into doing bigger work but it can be a toss up deciding which one is more suited to some work. The Sauter lift sort of pushes the router table closer to some of the stuff a shaper can do especially using a more powerful spindle with decent grunt for bigger bits and deeper cuts.
A stock feeder is a great thing to have but not absolutely necessary for a shaper.

Not silent but I much prefer an induction motor than a router screaming at me.

Offline Mini Me

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Re: New Router Table and Lift
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2022, 10:03 AM »
A water cooled CNC spindle is the quitest motor I have heard in a workshop, way more quite than a shaper. I've used a few shapers and of all the woodworking machinery it is one I would not stint on when it comes to safety. Another advantage of a spindle is total speed control via the VFD, way better then either a router or shaper. I know it is a step change in thinking but having done a few spindle set ups now I am a convert for the hobby workshop. I would use a shaper every day in a commercial shop because it is far more robust and that is what it does best.