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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #90 on: September 05, 2019, 01:03 PM »
I had several conversations with the Timberwolf staff when I was getting used to my DDF40.

Those conversations erased any concerns I had about support for the tool. I got prompt and expert responses to my questions.

The quality of the tool is excellent.
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #91 on: September 05, 2019, 10:16 PM »
@ DeformedTree I don't think you have any worries with Mafell, my experiences with them have all been positive, bearing in mind that they are quite a small company with limited outlets.
They aren't fast at answering email but, neither are Festool in my experience, in fact I have at least two unanswered emails to Festool.
Timber Wolf seem a decent dealer, so again you should be fine.


I already own a Mafell tool, pretty let down by parts of it.  I think folks definitely have over hyped them.  But it's a rather different type of tool than a DDF.  Since this is a Festool Forum I'm not going to get into it very much.  But simply, it is expensive and has an un-expected amount of crude-ness to it, and some things that made be rather un-happy.  In the end, companies are companies, they have good points and weak points,  good products, bad products.   Any company can make some dumb decisions on a product. People want to believe Mafell is magicaly different, when it's just another company.

As I mentioned on my previous post, part of the concern is simply the US market is a very small place for Mafell, it's almost shocking they do make US specific tools for the US, but some of them they simply ship as is, the Erika 85 is such a tool, you buy the Germany version.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2019, 03:43 AM »
@DeformedTree  In that case, I think you’d be better saving your money.

Offline sroxberg

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #93 on: April 03, 2020, 01:33 PM »
I recently purchased a Mafell DDF 40 and have been playing with it. The manuals leave a lot to be desired which isn't really a surprise since they are a German Company and like Festool the manuals weren't real strong.

Is there a good source of information in English on the internet for how to operate these units. I have located plenty of video but none with lots of how to.

Anyone on this site willing to talk with me on the phone, or share information with me on how they learned, or what they know.

I also bought both of the templates to do Shelf holes, simple things like how to get that set to drill holes at 37mm in from the edge. without manually marking the locations, I'm assuming there is a way.

Thanks in advance for any advice or help.

Offline HowardH

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #94 on: April 03, 2020, 02:22 PM »
I recently purchased a Mafell DDF 40 and have been playing with it. The manuals leave a lot to be desired which isn't really a surprise since they are a German Company and like Festool the manuals weren't real strong.

Is there a good source of information in English on the internet for how to operate these units. I have located plenty of video but none with lots of how to.

Anyone on this site willing to talk with me on the phone, or share information with me on how they learned, or what they know.

I also bought both of the templates to do Shelf holes, simple things like how to get that set to drill holes at 37mm in from the edge. without manually marking the locations, I'm assuming there is a way.

Thanks in advance for any advice or help.

There is the Mafell Users Forum.  They have a bit of info out there.  I also got a DDF40 late last year and have been playing around with it.  I find it to be a joy to use and very accurate.  Like the Domino, there is a little bit of a learning curve, i.e. making sure you plunge all the way in or the dowels won't go in all the way, stuff like that. 
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Offline JimH2

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #95 on: April 03, 2020, 04:27 PM »
There are some videos to found on YouTube that should get you started.

Offline sroxberg

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #96 on: April 03, 2020, 09:39 PM »
The YouTube videos I've located are worthless to me which made me think that possibly I had not found the correct ones.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #97 on: April 03, 2020, 10:12 PM »
Although a long time Mafell fan and user, the duo doweller is not one of my favourite tools in the their range.
Mine is the older model but, in all honesty, it rarely sees daylight, and just an opinion but, it plays a big second fiddle to my Domino machines.
I just can’t help thinking it was produced as a competitor to a Domino, as opposed to an addition, or variation.
We still use the odd dowelled joint here and there but, they are often just single dowells as opposed to pairs.
Anything that might require twin dowells, would almost certainly be Domino’d by us instead.

A few colleagues own the older and newer Mafell dowellers, and the feedback has always been very mixed. They seem either loved or hated. The Domino machines on the other hand, are nearly always loved and marvelled at.

I’m interested to hear why the lovers of the dowellers would choose to use one on a job, instead of a Domino?
Obviously this is very much opinion based, as I’m a great believer in each to their own but, a Domino is very close to mortise and tenon joinery, where as the dowellers even in duo form, are at the end of the day, just dowelling jointers?
I get that there’s more hold and no twist using a pair of side by side dowell pins but, the same none twist can be achieved using single Domino’s?

I sought of see the Lamello jointing system in the same light. It’s a nice idea and design but, not (opinion based) as good as a Domino, especially taking into account having the Domino connector system as a further option?

Offline Lincoln

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2020, 02:01 AM »
Pretty sure the doweller was around before the Domino.
I have both the DD40 and the DF500 - both are fantastic. If you want absolute precision, the DD40 has it over the Domino. If build quality worries you, the Mafell is streets ahead of the Domino. I was actually a bit surprised when I opened the sys and looked over my Domino.
Having said that, I love my Domino and use it on most jobs I do. If doing cabinet work, I use the Dom for joinery and the DD40 for hinge plates and shelf holes.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2020, 03:43 AM »
Pretty sure the doweller was around before the Domino.
I have both the DD40 and the DF500 - both are fantastic. If you want absolute precision, the DD40 has it over the Domino. If build quality worries you, the Mafell is streets ahead of the Domino. I was actually a bit surprised when I opened the sys and looked over my Domino.
Having said that, I love my Domino and use it on most jobs I do. If doing cabinet work, I use the Dom for joinery and the DD40 for hinge plates and shelf holes.

Can’t remember now but, I’ve had the old model doweller a very long time, and it never captured my imagination like my first Domino did.
I know all about Mafell build quality etc, as I’m a long term user of their tools but, as I say, the dowellers are probably the only machines in their range that don’t excite me.
Nine times out of ten for me, if I were doing joinery that didn’t need the strength of the Domino, I would get the biscuit jointer out, more than adequate.
I can’t agree about the the precision over a Domino either.
The precision of the Domino is one of it’s strong points for me.

I guess it depends on an individuals requirements to make a real judgement.
We still manufacture and fabricate a lot of stuff, including large types of doors glazed and solid timber. We always mortised and tenoned them back in the day, still do with some applications. Then we got into the Domino’s which was a game changer, especially time wise, which enabled us to be more competitive price wise. So not a great deal of demand for any dowelling for us.

I get the the doweller being handy for shelf holes and hinge plates etc, providing you’re doing enough of it for the outlay.
In honesty though, I could sell my doweller tomorrow, and I don’t think we’d ever miss it.

Plus there are some easy quick set dowelling jigs around now, that are a fraction of the price, even the well engineered versions.
I suppose it really depends on the individual but, I see a lot more Domino machines being used than dowellers.
 
« Last Edit: April 04, 2020, 03:45 AM by Jiggy Joiner »

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: New Mafell DDF 40 Duo Doweller
« Reply #100 on: April 04, 2020, 06:06 AM »
The Timberwolf web site has excellent DDF40 videos. The DDF40 videos I found on YouTube are not English and rather crude.

For reference, I own both Domino machines and the DDF40. The 500 gets the most use followed by the DDF40 followed by the 700.

The 500 is far quicker for most applications using the narrow/wide opposing settings. The DDF40 excels in applications requiring extreme accuracy. Also, I can place two dowels in a space too narrow for two Domino tenons.

I would put the DDF40 a little ahead of the Domino in build quality but not in any way that affects real usage. The DDF40 kit has a number of attachments that greatly enhance its usage, primarily for spacing holes.

The DDF40 uses pins and not flappers for locators. Seems to be a superior design. I find buying metric dowels difficult. Most sources sell only extremely large minimum orders like 5 thousand. I ordered some 6mm dowels on Amazon that came from China. They were undersized. Amazon refunded my money.

The DDF40 requires a lot more force to drill the holes than a Domino needs to cut even a large mortise. This worried me, but Timberwolf staff assured me this was normal.

The fence on the DDF40 seems superior to that of the Domino machines. It’s rack & pinion adjustment is very accurate. I was using the DDF40 on an 8 sided box. The 22.5 degree detent was spot on.

In summary, I really don’t see the DDF40 and the Dominos being direct competitors. The machines overlap a little in application, but each has a wide range of standout usage.
Birdhunter