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Offline MF Custom

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2019, 05:53 PM »
The DeWalt DW 716 XPS has about the best capacities in a 12" non slider. They usually need some tuning out of the box but once dialed in it's a stout accurate saw for job site use. Vertical capacity against the fence is about the best in class for cutting tall base or big crown nested. The castings can be a bit rough and quality seems to vary from saw to saw. 

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Offline Vanhalo

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2019, 08:14 PM »
Why not an HK?  I use my for everything from framing to fine trim carpentry.  I keep 18 and 36 tooth blades for cross cutting as well as a panther blade for ripping. 

We used my HKC55 to install these beams last year.  The HK allowed us to bring the tool to the work.  Can you imagine trying to wrestle those beasts on a miter box?

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Offline SouthRider

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2019, 07:35 AM »
Why not an HK?  I use my for everything from framing to fine trim carpentry.  I keep 18 and 36 tooth blades for cross cutting as well as a panther blade for ripping. 

We used my HKC55 to install these beams last year.  The HK allowed us to bring the tool to the work.  Can you imagine trying to wrestle those beasts on a miter box?

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The HK IS an excellent saw - but I'm not going to use it to cut 40 deck boards in a hurry, nor am I going to use it to make fine cuts in narrow mouldings. I use my HK to rip in the field, crosscut wide pieces, do a myriad of irregular cuts, etc. But it does NOT replace a miter saw.
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Offline donduck2

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2020, 01:29 PM »
I just bought the dewalt 799 slider, very happy with it.  It seems very sturdy.

Offline Wood_Slice

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2021, 07:34 PM »
For Miter Saw you have a ton of options just depends on your preferences and funds.  I have a Bosch 12” Glide because of space savings, Delta Cruzer similar concept.
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Offline mkasdin

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2021, 09:35 PM »
I go cheap on the miter saw. 12” double compound Dewalt with an upgrade Freud combo blade. Before that I had a Hitachi for 16 years which got sold on CL for $75. It still ran. I get solid results with the Dewalt. It’s a decent saw, it doesn’t shine in any categories except price. It’s a value saw.

Offline afish

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2021, 07:26 AM »
Can anyone confirm the new Makitas can cut 5.25 base standing up.  I had an older model not sure of the exact # but it was a 12" slider and it would not cut 5.25 standing up.  That was a deal breaker for me I also had trouble with the detent sticking and being fiddly not locking in positively or securely. So, I sold it and bought the Dewalt 779 its a solid saw especially for the money.  If you want or need the cut line light get the 780 same saw.  Better cut capacity and strong positive detents.  With a good blade its a workhorse.  The Dewalt mitersaw stand however is complete junk do not buy it.   

Offline Dan Rush

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2021, 10:21 AM »
I use a 1219 in the shop. I think it's capacity is 6.5" or so. This is a 6" piece of 1/2" mdf. I cut base on the flat,  but this works for the guys that like to cut upright.

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Offline Packard

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2021, 12:26 PM »
My Dewalt 12" saw is rather old, but still accurate.  I chose it (and would choose the current model) for the same reasons.  The angle index is a stamping which is a highly repeatable item in manufacturing. 

Most of the other saws had the index in "as cast" detents in the aluminum chassis.  That is not nearly as repeatable unless there is after casting machining done. 

Also the adjustment for the miter index is just loosening three screws and adjusting (though getting the index nudged exactly where you want it can take several tries.

In the image below he is loosening one of the three screws.  One other one is seen at the far right.  The third one is out of the image area.  That stamped plate is the indexing plate.  I have found it to be very accurate. 

Adjusting it took an unreasonable amount of time (about an hour) because I kept over-shooting the mark when making the adjustment.  Eventually, I got it exactly right. 


Offline afish

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2021, 05:35 PM »
I use a 1219 in the shop. I think it's capacity is 6.5" or so. This is a 6" piece of 1/2" mdf. I cut base on the flat,  but this works for the guys that like to cut upright.

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Thanks Dan,  Glad to see Makita fixed that.  It always irked me.  I do like the new makitas and thought about one for the shop I like the space saving feature of the rails its the biggest selling feature for me but I just dont have the room for a permanent shop saw.

Offline notenoughcash

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2021, 06:16 AM »
i got the 10" forward rail makita in cordless and absolutely love it.  only complaint is that is blummin heavy.  27 kg (dont know units that are from the middle ages, hang on, just mesuring this 5.3 cubit long by 5.3x2.6 digit wide board........ [tongue]) w/o bateries.  not sure about the corded verson, or the 
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Offline Imemiter

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2021, 11:28 AM »
Ridgid is re re-releasing their 7.5" blade 18v SCMS. I don't think a guy would get a lot of hardcore framing out of one, but for the weight-weary carpenter/handyman they're great. 24 lbs. and double bevel, with a shadow cut-line and area light. When they came out three or four years ago Fine Homebuilding gave them a surprisingly favorable review. But then they disappeared. For unknown reasons Ridgid pulled them off the shelves. I got mine for $200US  from a guy who had a pallet load of them.

According to Toolguyd these are being revived for $375. I'm not sure I'd want to pay quite that much, but if anyone's in the market for something like this and they start going on sale, I'd give it a buy rating. 
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Offline Mini Me

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2021, 07:46 PM »
Miter saws have become so competitive on pricing many seem to fall short of what furniture makers want in the tool.   I think it's a quality control issue.  I've seen a lot of complaints about lemons in recent years.   Some designs like the articulated arm used by Bosch seem most suitable for carpentry due to play in the mechanism.   Out-of-flat and square base and fence castings have also been reported.  Even the recent iteration of the venerable 8-1/2" Hitachi sliding saw doesn't generate as much enthusiasm as the older models did. 

I would buy one from a local dealer, take it home and give it a good going order.  If it isn't up to spec, take it back for an exchange.
I should have been more specific. I have definitely ruled out the Bosch articulating saw...too many pivot point give me concerns for long term stability.  The current Hitachi slider is not nearly as good as the model I had before.

I guess that leaves DeWalt and Makita. As I posted, my current utility saw is a Makita and I’m not impressed with its durability. The new model may be different. I would consider recommendations from owners of the most recent iteration.

I have had a Bosch Glide for about 6 years and it gets used for everything including cutting a lot of firewood and there has been no loss of accuracy or noticeable wear in the articulating arm. Sliding saws on arms slide the bearings over dust and dirt every time they are used and that to me sounds worse than the sealed joints of a Bosch Glide.

Offline Bertotti

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2021, 06:36 AM »
In all honesty when I was ready to step up my miter saw I just couldn't afford a Kapex, not even close. I would up with the Hitachi C12rsh. I have an older version of this. It is a beast, can move on the rails or the rails can move in the assembly, has a laser, and runs really well. That said if you plan to move it around you better hit the gym. I move mine often but it is a heavy son of a gun, must be close to 80lbs! Not an issue usually until I am in a tight hallway or on stairs, it is just heavy bulky and you really have to be careful not to twist your body up maneuvering tight areas because it will bite you. I am still on the original blade even after cutting thousands of square feet of flooring and way more of deck building But I love it. I connect mine to a smaller 1hp jet fust collector. It throws a fair amount of chips but it collects as well or better than any other miter saw I have used. It does not collect like a ts and a ct26, ironically enough I never even considered moving my MFT to a job site but after doing so on my home remodel it is s thought. But it is paid for and Cutts significantly thicker wood than my ts55. But like I said it is heavy and if you don't want heavy skip it. Most lowes have them I noticed in a web search so maybe you could get your hands on one and see what it's like to pick up. I see on the Lowes website the rsh2 has been lightened down to below 60lbs so it would be much more manageable than the monster I have. The Lowes website has a nice video. And yes as odd as it may seem I do take the dust collector and my ct26 to where I am cutting. A simple wood or cardboard deflector on the back of the Hitachi folds up and keeps dust contained fairly well compared to other miter saws I have used. One reason I bought a smaller one on wheels. Not to decide if I want to spend the cash for a nice canister filter which is almost as much as I paid for the collector itself, but it will move so much more air and filter better.
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Offline NHBW

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Re: Miter saw recommendations (other than Kapex)
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2021, 09:24 AM »
I have a 12" Bosch glider currently mounted in the shop.  I know this saw gets a lot of polarizing reviews regarding accuracy, and unfortunately I'm in the camp that agrees it's not great.  Granted I know there is play in most of sliding saws, and technique plays a role, just didn't expect to see as much.  So much so, I've foregone the glide, and keep it fixed and flip large pieces. Finish square done on sleds.

If you can find it however for a good cost, I'd say it wouldn't be a bad general purpose saw, since you gave that as a consideration.  I picked this up for $400 amazingly, so I've learned to tolerate, and will look at the Kapex some day.

I've also had Rigid and Dewalt.  Both pros and cons.  Really have to weigh your uses, when deciding on best machine for your needs.