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Offline Samo

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2022, 12:45 AM »
Like a previous Milwaukee release, very much a Festool copy IMHO.  A least they do release product and are trying to improve the line.  I can’t stand the product videos though, seriously. 🤨
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2022, 08:32 AM »
It looks like it may work on Festool or Makita style tracks?
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2022, 09:44 AM »
Crude looking to me but more importantly they missed the boat by not using a 7-1/4” blade.

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2022, 10:52 AM »
Crude looking to me but more importantly they missed the boat by not using a 7-1/4” blade.

Good point. That might have brought a number of people over
with 7-1/4 circ saws since they could use the same blades.
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Offline Peter_C

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2022, 02:40 PM »
Who uses a 7 1/4" saw other than a framer? Yes there are times one is needed, but for most cuts a 6 1/2" saw is preferable for it's size and weight. I have both sizes, and lots of blades for both. The 6 1/2" gets used 10 times more.

The better question is what about auto start for a dust collector? Milwaukee's batteries aren't Bluetooth, and I don't believe their dust collectors have Bluetooth either, and a I know their small cordless vacs do not. Supposedly they are working on Bluetooth for their vacs though. Makita has Bluetooth, and a decent track saw. Still good to see Milwaukee finally step in with a tracksaw that has dust collection as none of my Milwaukee saws have dust collection.

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2022, 03:50 PM »
Yes, BT for cordless tools is a big plus so you can activate your dust collector or vac.

Do any of the BT capable vacs besides Festool have delayed shut off?
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2022, 05:39 PM »
If it is priced like the Dewalt track saw I would not expect a lot of purchases. A $400+ saw is not in the wheelhouse of most carpenters who will find it absurd to spent that much for a saw. Has anyone seen the Dewalt in the wild. I have seen a handful of Festool track saws, but no Makita's. I definitely have never seen any Mafell tools in the field other than mine.

As for M18 tools I have a good number and they are good, but not great. Of course they are basically disposable given the price points and the selection is ridiculous. Literally something for everyone. Their drills leave a lot to be desired as they do not have the delicate controlled touch the Festool drills do, but other than that I have never been disappointed with any of the their tools. I have found the yard care tools to be exceptional.

Offline TomK_2

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2022, 03:34 AM »
I wonder how it is going to perform against the higher voltage of its competitors.

Their standard circular saws can keep up but they need those huge HO batteries to do it.

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2022, 06:41 AM »
The design reeks more of the Parkside/Titan etc. cheapo chinese tracksaws than Festool. But there is nothihng wrong with that.

Just from the pictures:
 + uses Festool track system
 + includes off-cut side anti-splinter attachment
 
 - the placement of the single battery on the front is not ideal balance-wise
 - the 106" "long" track is just too short /but yeah, buying tracks from MW is a bad idea to begin/
 - no dedicated "rip" blades - at least not listed

Open questions:
 * can someone post here a bottom picture of how the cams are setup?
 * does it maintain the cut line on bevel cuts like TS55 or is the cut offset like on the Makitas ?
 * how good /precise/ are the bearings? /directly translates to cut quality/
 * does it use an air channel in the casing like the TS(c)55 for good dust collection ?

Summary:
A good tool for carpenters to go along with their other M18 tooling. Potential competition to the Makita XGT tracksaw. Not sure if it will really compete with TSC - looks more like a "me-too" product which is shooting at the mass market, not at the higher end.
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Offline Svar

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2022, 01:38 PM »
* can someone post here a bottom picture of how the cams are setup?


* does it maintain the cut line on bevel cuts like TS55?
Yes

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2022, 08:36 AM »
@Svar
Thanks those are both /unexpeted/ plus points and raise the bar above Makitas.

Wonder if the Festool patent(s) for the "indirect" cams setup expired. This is the first non-Festool I see with TS55-like cams.

Any idea what is the bottom left thingie on the pircure - an anti-tipping device for Makita tracks ?
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2022, 11:53 AM »
Any idea what is the bottom left thingie on the pircure - an anti-tipping device for Makita tracks ?
Yes, it is. They seem to have incorporated various features from other brands. Scoring stop, for example. To me the critical issue would be spindle, bearings, plunge hinge quality (=cut quality). Plus power.

Offline TomK_2

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2022, 11:59 AM »
Check the two clips below to see how the M18 compares to the TSC55K. You can see how bad the M18 is bogging.

M18
https://youtu.be/DR8mu0fE7xk?t=236

TSC
https://youtu.be/v7_QQWZ3D9U?t=1268

I'm not trying to trash Milwaukee or anything it is just an interesting design choice compared to the Festool, Makita, and DeWalt. I suppose others like Mafell and Bosch only use a single 18v pack.

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2022, 01:20 PM »
Check the two clips below to see how the M18 compares to the TSC55K. You can see how bad the M18 is bogging.

M18
https://youtu.be/DR8mu0fE7xk?t=236

TSC
https://youtu.be/v7_QQWZ3D9U?t=1268

I'm not trying to trash Milwaukee or anything it is just an interesting design choice compared to the Festool, Makita, and DeWalt. I suppose others like Mafell and Bosch only use a single 18v pack.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The Milwaukee is really laboring in the video...I'm surprised at that. Even the older regular kerf TSC had an easier time.

I wonder how the Mafell with a single battery compares to the dual battery TSC/K?

Right now I have the MT 55 corded and the TSC/K cordless...like them both. The thin kerf TSC cuts a lot easier than the older regular kerf TSC.

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2022, 02:23 PM »
I'm curious about the type of wood they used in the Milwaukee demo.  The sound was pretty bad, but in the background it sounded like someone asked if it was walnut and another person answered that it was not.  I thought they said it was "white" walnut, another name for butternut, a much softer wood that should have been easier to cut through.  Am I wrong or did someone else hear the same thing?

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2022, 03:00 PM »
I Saw toolbox buzz guy cut the same slab at 45. 2” ?  Looks to be more like 1 1/2”. But rail adjusters look good. They suck on the makita and their rails vary wildly.

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2022, 10:05 PM »
Check the two clips below to see how the M18 compares to the TSC55K. You can see how bad the M18 is bogging.

M18
https://youtu.be/DR8mu0fE7xk?t=236

TSC
https://youtu.be/v7_QQWZ3D9U?t=1268

I'm not trying to trash Milwaukee or anything it is just an interesting design choice compared to the Festool, Makita, and DeWalt. I suppose others like Mafell and Bosch only use a single 18v pack.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The Milwaukee is really laboring in the video...I'm surprised at that. Even the older regular kerf TSC had an easier time.

I wonder how the Mafell with a single battery compares to the dual battery TSC/K?

Right now I have the MT 55 corded and the TSC/K cordless...like them both. The thin kerf TSC cuts a lot easier than the older regular kerf TSC.

There is a difference in the thickness of the two boards. 50mm for the Milwaukee and  Sedge mentions the board is  32 mm thick (time index 25:03). Plus what species wood are they both using.

I agree the Milwaukee sounds like it is laboring on the cut but it's cutting 18mm more than the TSC. There was no mention of using a rip blade in either video that I heard.
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Offline TomK_2

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2022, 01:01 AM »

There is a difference in the thickness of the two boards. 50mm for the Milwaukee and  Sedge mentions the board is  32 mm thick (time index 25:03). Plus what species wood are they both using.

I agree the Milwaukee sounds like it is laboring on the cut but it's cutting 18mm more than the TSC. There was no mention of using a rip blade in either video that I heard.

Thanks Bob,

I did miss Sedge saying it was 32 mm. The Milwaukee video is also not 50mm. It is 2" nominal or 1.5" / 38mm. How do I know? Looks about the same as the 2x4 the wood is resting on during the cut. Also, you will notice there's another camera in this video. I believe this was the toolbox buzz camera and in their video (linked below) you can see the saw is set to 1.5".



I swear I've seen a better video where Sedge was showing the speed difference between the TS and TSC on hard maple...

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2022, 05:53 AM »
I see that now. Going back and looking at the DOC setting on the saw it's at
1-1/2" (time index 00:20), so not a true 8/4 or 2" as he states multiple times.
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2022, 07:26 AM »

I wonder how the Mafell with a single battery compares to the dual battery TSC/K?

Right now I have the MT 55 corded and the TSC/K cordless...like them both. The thin kerf TSC cuts a lot easier than the older regular kerf TSC.

I have both the TSC and the MT55 18M bl, (and the corded MT55cc FWIW).  I haven’t done a direct comparison between the two cordless saws but tend to use the Mafell for most cuts that are away from my cutting station. I’ve never noticed the saw to bog down that much. I believe it to be better than my old corded TS 55, which I sold because of its lack of power.

Changing the blade on the Mafell is so simple that one is not tempted to use “the wrong blade” for cuts as well. Having that correct blade on allows the saw saw to cut efficiently, even with a single battery platform.

I will say, however, that the Mafell with its single battery cuts much better than the TSC 55 in its single battery configuration.
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2022, 11:55 AM »
Changing the blade on the Mafell is so simple that one is not tempted to use “the wrong blade” for cuts as well. Having that correct blade on allows the saw saw to cut efficiently, even with a single battery platform.

I will say, however, that the Mafell with its single battery cuts much better than the TSC 55 in its single battery configuration.

The ease of Mafell blade changing is simply brilliant, that in itself is a game changer.

How would you characterize the cutting between the single battery Mafell and the double battery Festool?

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2022, 04:44 PM »
Yep it was 1.5”
Is there any difference between the tsc 55 motor new to old or is all this in crease cutting power just the new thinner blades?

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2022, 05:24 PM »
It looks like it may work on Festool or Makita style tracks?

Yes.  Kyle Stumpenhorst (RR Building on Youtube) went to the Milwaukee roll out and did a short review.

I already have a great track saw (Mafell corded) but I was in the market for one, this one looks pretty nice.  Milwaukee's line is really growing on me. 
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2022, 06:42 PM »


The ease of Mafell blade changing is simply brilliant, that in itself is a game changer.

How would you characterize the cutting between the single battery Mafell and the double battery Festool?

I have not noticed enough difference between the two for me to grab the Festool, unless I am wanting to use the 3000 rail or when I am using the TSO parallel guides. I don’t prefer to use the MT55’s on the FS rails so will grab the TSC 55 instead when I use the FS rails.
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2022, 02:23 AM »
Yep it was 1.5”
Is there any difference between the tsc 55 motor new to old or is all this in crease cutting power just the new thinner blades?
The electronics is different, the K version no longer takes 15V packs. The motor is also a different part# possibly for same reason. So there will be some efficiency (say, up to 10%) squeezed there as the winding can be also optimised.

But the bulk is from the thinner blade and then the effect of the motor operating (thanks to that) in its optimal point longer. They also improved the controller to react faster to a slow-down, which helps with smoothness as it does not allow a further slow down into an area where the motor becomes torque-limited.

That said, unless someone is cutting 2" stock regularly, I never felt the original TSC underpowered. It can chew through 2" softwood even with a cross-cut 48T blade with no issue and 11/2" beech is also absolutely fine.
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2022, 09:40 AM »
It looks like it may work on Festool or Makita style tracks?

Yes.  Kyle Stumpenhorst (RR Building on Youtube) went to the Milwaukee roll out and did a short review.

Nice! I have a brother who is very invested in Milwaukee cordless so he is going to have a hard time ignoring this ;)

Time will tell I am sure as it gets more use the positive and negative sides of the saw.
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2022, 06:00 PM »
I'm curious what this thing is in the background? It almost looks like a prototype of the new track saw because of the general fit & finish. Or is it a different Milwaukee offering altogether?





Here's the photoshopped photo of Milwaukee's track saw 3 years ago...does it look familiar?

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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2022, 06:27 PM »
Belts and Boxes had a LEGO creator build this a while ago…
https://youtube.com/watch?v=w1vMSE6hlZM&feature=share
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Re: Milwaukee M18 Fuel Track Saw
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2022, 06:55 PM »
Belts and Boxes had a LEGO creator build this a while ago…


Thanks for that Festita...you're the best.  [smile]