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Offline SonOfMI

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Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« on: August 21, 2019, 06:25 PM »
I know this was a hot topic at the Milwaukee NPS this year.  Tool nut is shipping it September 25.  Has anyone gotten their hands on this yet or thinking about ordering one?  If this is as accurate and well built as the Festool plus with the extent Milwaukee has built out their 12V line, it can be a big seller. 

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Offline RKA

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2019, 07:08 PM »
I think will will be a niche product unlikely to have mass appeal amongst their user base.  I suspect most will view it as a toy.  That said, it did take me a while to warm up to the CXS, and these days, if it can do a job, I’ll reach for that first.  So maybe it will take a while for the Milwaukee to build some momentum?
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Offline deepcreek

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2019, 08:00 PM »
I'm heavily invested in the Milwaukee 12v platform and will eagerly add this one if it accomodates the use of an eccentric chuck.

The full kit is $229.  https://www.toolnut.com/milwaukee-2505-22-m12-fuel-brushless-installation-4-in-1-drill-driver-2-0ah-kit.html

Here's a video from Milwaukee on it.  The relevant portion starts at 6:39.

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Offline gnlman

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2019, 08:13 PM »
Hi. I  have 2 M12  drill an a M12 driver, nice little drills..wished they had this one out when I bought the second M12...coulda stuck to one battery solution....Wife gave me the Bosch Flex click for Xmas and while not brushless like the new Milwaukee it's a great little drill as well...with all the same attachments..about same power, but will start slower than M12 and the light seems brighter for inside cabinets...so don't see the new Milwaukee in my future unless my old ones start dying....or I drop a few hints to the wife.....haha
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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2019, 10:38 PM »
This definitely has my interest. I have tons of M12 batteries and a handful of their tools (rocket light, stubby Impact Wrench, impact driver, and some ratchets) they all work great and are very compact with good power.

I think I really want to pick this up. I am missing a drill from my lineup with right angle and offset chucks.

I think the big hesitation and MISS here is that there is no forward reverse trigger. This seems so stupid to me. It is an electronic button on top. Even if you can get used to it it will drive you crazy to switch back to normal drills. Plus that will be the first part to break.
I’m not sold on this one but I want to be. I’ll wait for some reviews/promos. Milwaukee is know to have promos within first couple months of release.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2019, 11:11 PM »
The first thing that I thought when I saw this tool was that I bet it will be on promotion during this upcoming holiday season.

Offline fshanno

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2019, 12:50 AM »
I already bought the Bosch for Christmas.  I'm sure this is a fine product and I wish it had been out back then to compare.  I did get the Bosch on some kind of holiday sale online for $130 with all the attachments.   

This drill has the Bosch beat in several categories, it's brushless, has a belt hook, a little more power.  However, it looks like the Bosch is a little more compact in the hand which could be a very big thing with this kind of product.  The ball detent adapter on the Bosch looks to be about 1/2 to 3/4" shorter too and that's big for me.  I've done some stuff where the Bosch barely fit and where I think this Milwaukee wouldn't fit.
 
I wonder where Makita on this deal? 

The CXS seems like a dinosaur, not much reason for it to exist in it's current configuration -  no standard ball detent, no offset chuck, dead end battery platform.  It's simply not in the running.  In fact I bought the Bosch instead of new batteries for my CXS.
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Offline Getmaverick

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2019, 02:40 PM »
I have a CXS, its my only Festool drill. This has been my favorite for hardware installation. That being said, if it ever dies I will be looking at the Milwaukee because of battery platform.

Offline live4ever

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2019, 05:20 PM »
I'll definitely be getting this at some point this winter...
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Offline xedos

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2019, 06:19 PM »
Where is the forward / reverse switch on this drill ?

Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2019, 10:20 PM »
Where is the forward / reverse switch on this drill ?

It’s an electronic button on the top like drill speeds are. Kinda a dealbreaker for me

Offline mrB

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2019, 02:08 AM »
Where is the forward / reverse switch on this drill ?

It’s an electronic button on the top like drill speeds are. Kinda a dealbreaker for me

That is one of the worst decisions I've ever heard of! Ha ha ha 😂
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2019, 06:44 AM »
Where is the forward / reverse switch on this drill ?

It’s an electronic button on the top like drill speeds are. Kinda a dealbreaker for me

Why would they do that. I would want the Fwd/Rev switch accessible with my thumb or trigger finger without having to use my other hand or reposition my grip hand on the tool.
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Offline Roachmill

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2019, 08:04 AM »
Thanks to the OP for posting this. I've been looking for an offset Chuck and that lead to the Festool one which needs a Festool drill (although not technically) and batteries... I'm not paying for all that for the limited functionality I'm after.

The M12 kits looks great apart from the fwd/rev switch but the only prerelease price for the kit here I the UK was £290. The 12V Bosch Flexiclick gets great reviews, has the drive direction switch where the big fella intended it and the whole kit was only £150 delivered.

The Milwaukee sure is a looker though!

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2019, 09:31 PM »
I got mine today. Seems pretty awesome. That being said I put 1 screw in playing around. Will post more once I use it this weekend. The clutch seems really nice, way better than the electric clutch on the newest M18 drill/driver, it doesn't have the odd slow start/bad feel.


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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2019, 10:21 PM »
Thanks for the mention. These are in stock now and ready to ship. You can check out Doug's quick video review over on Instagram.
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Offline JimH2

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2019, 09:53 AM »
Where is the forward / reverse switch on this drill ?

It’s an electronic button on the top like drill speeds are. Kinda a dealbreaker for me

Why would they do that. I would want the Fwd/Rev switch accessible with my thumb or trigger finger without having to use my other hand or reposition my grip hand on the tool.

They managed to change the default location of the fwd/rev switch to an inconvenient location and no one stopped the designers from the doing it. I can only ask what could the reason possibly be to justify this.

Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2019, 12:26 PM »
Just go for the Bosch. It's wonderfully compact and affordable.It has more than enough power for what it is. For the seriously big holes you can use an 18V or corded drill and for big screws you can add their 12V rattler with 105nm torque that costs like 50 bucks.

I've never felt like it lacked any power for any stuff I intended to do with it, in fact I've done more with it than I thought I would.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2019, 12:39 PM »
Just to note, since Bosch was mentioned, that their 18V version of the Flexi-Click drill should be available soon from what I've heard.
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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2019, 01:02 PM »
FWIW, I've put 32mm auger bits through dried oak (all be it only a few times) with the 12V Bosch. Such a handy bit of kit. Wouldn't be without it now.

Offline mrB

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2019, 05:10 PM »
Wow. Just watched the video and the fwd/rev switch is worse than I could have imagined. Crazy moves :)
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Offline xedos

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2019, 11:06 AM »
I got mine today. Seems pretty awesome. That being said I put 1 screw in playing around. Will post more once I use it this weekend. The clutch seems really nice, way better than the electric clutch on the newest M18 drill/driver, it doesn't have the odd slow start/bad feel.

And what do you think of the rev switch location ? 

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2019, 01:36 PM »
I used my left hand, wasn't super ideal, but to this point not a big deal at all. But I don't think I really change direction a lot, and haven't but a few times yet. If it would mean a thicker grip I wouldn't want it moved, and I suspect that is how/why they made the call on design.


Offline Svar

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2019, 02:19 PM »
What is the purpose of the circled part on the picture, other than obstruction when reaching into a tight spot?
Same "feature" on CXS.


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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2019, 02:48 PM »
What is the purpose of the circled part on the picture, other than obstruction when reaching into a tight spot?

Has the LED, bit holder, battery gauge and belt clip. But more importantly, I think this is where they are housing the electronics.
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Offline Reed Hoyer

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2019, 03:09 PM »
Regarding the fwd/reverse switch, it's not actually as bad as you think. When you're holding the tool "Festool proper" you will note that you can trivially work the button with your thumb. I, too, think it's an oddball decision but it's an awful small thing to get worked up about. That said, I will say that unlike the normal toggle switch you can't see whether the drill in is forward or reverse without either pressing the button or pulling the trigger if you pick it up off your bench.

In all, I like it significantly more than I liked the CXS. Part of that is that it fits my m12 line up. Part of that is that it expects 1/4" shank bits. Part of it is that those bits don't wobble all awful (which I find much more upsetting than the fwd/rev switch but maybe that's my being nuts) like the centrotec ones do.

I've mentioned this before but I think drills are one of the most love em/hate em tools based on the subjective end user's "feel." This is a strong entry from Milwaukee. It's certainly a worthy competitor to the t/cxs and flexiclick. I can't imagine trying to convince someone to use one vs the other if they just like the feel of one more than the other and, in the end, I think that's all a manufacturer can do.

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Offline Reed Hoyer

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2019, 03:23 PM »
I should add that while I really like this drill I have 2 gripes. Both come from my prior Milwaukee experience.

First, the case is just embarrassing. I also happen to have the NAINA Milwaukee M12 drill that has been around for a while. The drill motor on that one pales in comparison to the new offering but the case is great. The folks at Milwaukee that decided to take their normal carry bag and add a ton of poor hook and loop straps and call it good should all quit their jobs or be fired. I know us NA folk often don't get great bags, let alone hard cases, but this is truly a joke. All that said it lives on my bench so I could care less.



The second is that it is designed with the little m12 battery in mind, not the larger. If you buy the kit with batteries you will get 2 of the smaller batteries and it will be balanced perfectly and you won't care. If you're in the habit of using the big batteries, as I am, you will put one in and wonder why on earth they didn't balance it to stand on the big battery as all of the other m12 tools are. Oh wells, I should probably be laying it on it's side anyway because I have tipped a drill over and marred a work piece 10000 times when standing them up but never once when laying it down.





Lastly, and this is just information, the NAINA kit and the new kit have slightly different attachment mechanisms and the attachments aren't interoperable. Clearly that's not important but I figured I'd share that in case anyone was wondering.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2019, 09:59 PM »
I was all set to get this drill when it released. But the forward and reverse thing is too much. Some engineer really let that slip by any testers? One a tool we will use daily and frequently no one wants a feature that “takes some getting used to”.
I have 4 drills and 4 Impact drivers lol all with trigger switches. I can’t see being able to retrain my hands for only one tool in the arsenal. Even if you get used to it what about when you switch back to another style drill?

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2019, 11:23 PM »
I already have a number of M12 platform tools and have been eagerly awaiting the Milwaukee "CXS" since it was first introduced but NAINA.

While not ideal, the location of the forward/reverse switch isn't a dealbreaker for me.
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Offline Reed Hoyer

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2019, 01:10 AM »
I can’t see being able to retrain my hands for only one tool in the arsenal. Even if you get used to it what about when you switch back to another style drill?

Thankfully, I have found myself able to turn on the headlights in my wife's Corolla and in my Odyssey. Despite being all the way on opposite sides of the steering wheel I never find myself stuck in the dark.

Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2019, 10:31 AM »

Thankfully, I have found myself able to turn on the headlights in my wife's Corolla and in my Odyssey. Despite being all the way on opposite sides of the steering wheel I never find myself stuck in the dark.

Hm not exactly a good comparison. That’s an accessory button. Like if the drill speed button where moved to a different spot. This is more like if the gas and brake where reversed. Of course you can get used to it if you’re driving the same car all day but switching back and forth rapidly is what I mean. Installing a closet door yesterday I was using three drills. If I added a drill to that mix that had unconventional controls it would be a pain.

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Offline xedos

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2019, 02:54 PM »
I can’t see being able to retrain my hands for only one tool in the arsenal. Even if you get used to it what about when you switch back to another style drill?

Thankfully, I have found myself able to turn on the headlights in my wife's Corolla and in my Odyssey. Despite being all the way on opposite sides of the steering wheel I never find myself stuck in the dark.

Don't both cars have automatic headlights ?  I can't remember the last time I've had to turn on my headlights.

Now , an automatic reversing switch for a drill would be cool.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2019, 04:33 PM »
Over the years I’ve developed a habit of automatically reversing the direction of the drill/screw gun every time I use it. Don’t quite know how that happened.

This tool would probably be the cure.
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Offline Reed Hoyer

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2019, 08:45 AM »
So, given that my answer to "which drill is best?" is always "whichever one feels best in your hands" I feel silly defending this stupid button but I did come to two conclusions about it last night. One I know to be right and the other someone with a Festool C1# can chime in on if they want.

The first is that not being able to feel whether or not the drill is in forward or reverse the moment you pick up the drill is weird. When you pick up a drill with the standard slide toggle it's trivial to just feel for where that switch is and know if it's in forward or reverse. Maybe Milwaukee could've made the light light up when the drill feels itself being moved (like lots of TV remotes do) but I'm not one to generally ask for more stuff that can break to be added to a tool.

The second is that I feel like the position of this switch might actually be the "right" place for the switch if you hold a C style drill with your middle finger on the trigger as Festool always tells us is proper (at least their ad photos show this). When I bought my c12  and c18 and gave them the good ole college try I had already committed to holding a drill with that hand style. When I returned them I even felt it was more natural to hold my T style m12 tools in this manner. Now that I'm on this C style m12 drill it's the natural way to hold it and my thumb just naturally gets to the top to push the direction button. That said, when I use the middle finger trigger grip it's kind of awkward to slide the standard toggle switch because my index finger is resting above the switch on one side and my thumb is above it on the other. I imagine with a middle finger trigger grip the c12's and c18's toggle switches are much less convenient than if you were holding them with that standard, American, index finger on the trigger grip. I admit that if you use the index finger on the trigger grip then the slide toggle is the obvious solution. Anyway, YMMV, I just don't see it as a stretch for someone to find that location to be a better location for that style of drill. 

Offline JimmyFord

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2019, 09:05 AM »
I got my m12 installation driver last week, it has some serious wobble/runout, particularly with the jacobs chuck. Otherwise the power is there, it feels good in the hand, and having up to 3.0ah compact batteries and 6.0ah xc batteries is nice.  I wish the cxs had as much power, as it is the nicer drill imo, but this is close- if you can get one with an acceptably true chuck anyway.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2019, 09:16 AM »
How does the Bosch Flexiclick stack up to these?

Plus, What is the function of the bar if front of the handle on the Festool & Milwaukee?


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Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2019, 09:26 AM »
My only gripe with the flexiclick is that if you're using to tightening a Jacobs chuck by running the drill and holding the chuck, it's easy to accidentally loosen the entire chuck because it's basically a twist fit.

Other than that I really couldn't be happier with it. I use the off-center chuck more than I thought I would and you can even combine it with the 90 degree chuck.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2019, 07:11 PM »
How does the Bosch Flexiclick stack up to these?

Plus, What is the function of the bar if front of the handle on the Festool & Milwaukee?


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Offline AndrewW

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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2019, 08:23 PM »
Love this thing.  I don’t seem to have any run out issue with mine.  I mean maybe a few thousandths with the hex chuck, but pretty much every drill has that.  Hold it with your index finger pointed down the side and the fwd/rev switch is easily accessible.  Tons of power for a 12v and the small size batteries last a very long time on this thing.  Hung an entire room of drywall and still have over half the battery.  Can’t wait to use this to assemble some upcoming wood working projects.

This will also be fantastic around the house with the right angle and offset chucks.

I was all set to get this drill when it released. But the forward and reverse thing is too much. Some engineer really let that slip by any testers? One a tool we will use daily and frequently no one wants a feature that “takes some getting used to”.
I have 4 drills and 4 Impact drivers lol all with trigger switches. I can’t see being able to retrain my hands for only one tool in the arsenal. Even if you get used to it what about when you switch back to another style drill?

Took me about 10min to “get used to”.  Switched back and forth with drills all day and no issue.  I have to say after having this drill and being able to hold it with my index finger on the side, which also allows you to hit the button with your thumb, I wish I could hold all my drills like this.  It gives far better balance with a fastener to have the force applied directly from the back vs eccentric to the fastener like a traditional drill.


Plus, What is the function of the bar if front of the handle on the Festool & Milwaukee?

It keeps the drill balanced when setting it upright with the chucks attached.  It also has a magnetic strip that is amazingly useful.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2019, 11:11 AM »
I don’t seem to have any run out issue with mine.  I mean maybe a few thousandths with the hex chuck, but pretty much every drill has that. 

I've now had 3, each with 1/16" or more runout... idk maybe i'm just incredibly unlucky with drills.

Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2019, 04:05 PM »
Well I have returned to “eat crow”.

I thought I would try out the drill even after being the loudest critic of the fed/rvs switch...
It is an awesome drill. The switch location is a bit quirky and time will fell if it will hold up for 5+ years but for now I’m pretty happy.

I’m usually switching between 2 drills and an impact for door installs but I hung this Dutch door with just this drill. I’m sure not having to switch back and forth between drills with traditional switch locations helped. But hey I had fun.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2019, 04:24 PM »
Well I have returned to “eat crow”.

I thought I would try out the drill even after being the loudest critic of the fed/rvs switch...
It is an awesome drill. The switch location is a bit quirky and time will fell if it will hold up for 5+ years but for now I’m pretty happy.

I’m usually switching between 2 drills and an impact for door installs but I hung this Dutch door with just this drill. I’m sure not having to switch back and forth between drills with traditional switch locations helped. But hey I had fun.

Glad to hear that switch isn't so bad after all.  Nice door!  Did you also use the drill to bore the holes for the lockset?  Also, is that a Sys Mini that you have the drill/chucks in? 

If I didn't already have the Bosch FlexiClick, I'd jump one the Milwaukee.

Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2019, 05:23 PM »

Yes. I did have to remember to use the drill with my middle finger on the trigger. That allows very easy thumb access to the button.
I didn’t use this drill to bore it, it was a pre bored door. I’m not sure it would be up the task but I’ll try it sometime anyway.
Yes it fits nicely in a sys mini. May put it in a sys 1 with the m12 impact but that works for now.

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« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2019, 06:29 PM »
I'm watching this thread closely.  My CXS, arguably my favorite and most used Festool, is starting to spark and smoke.  I just replaced the batteries on it so it most be 4 or 5 yrs old.  But I expected it to last a lot longer.  I like the CXS for it's diminutive size and ergonomics but I'll be gall darned if I have to replace it.  Looks like this little Milwaukee might fit the bill.

For those of you who own one already, can you spin screws at a low rpm?  That's what I like about the CXS for installing small Brusso hinges on small boxes.  I need to screw and unscrew small frail brass screws multiple times over the fitting process.  The CXS excels at this.  I'd be interested in how the Milwaukee performs
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Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2019, 05:18 AM »
Couldn't you just replace the brushes?

Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2019, 06:49 AM »
If available use same size steel screws during the fitting process then install the brass only once at the end.
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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2019, 10:24 AM »
I got mine - haven't done any projects with it yet but looks good with negligible runout.  Have a small cabinet install coming up this weekend so we'll see how it does.  The ergonomics make a lot more sense with middle finger on the trigger and index finger down the side.

Paired with the M12 Surge (love that thing!) makes for a compact and versatile kit.
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Offline egmiii

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2019, 12:19 PM »
+1 on the new M12 Fuel Surge impact. Very quiet, compact, and powerful.

I plan to order the 4 in 1 driver from Home Depot once the free 6.0 ah battery promotion goes live.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2019, 01:39 PM »
More about the promotion, please.... [smile]

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2019, 02:55 PM »
I do not have this one but have the brushless impact driver and hammer drill combo in the M12 line.  I like them but was a bit surprised driving some tiny screws that the clutch on the drill had a low setting that was way too much torque for the small 3/8 inch screws.  My Ryobi drills were better in this regard.

Anybody try this Milwaukee on tiny screws?  Does the clutch go low enough?

I also have the Bosch flexi click.  I really like it but the lock for using 1/4 bits is backward from my Milwaukee impact and my Ryobi impact.  Annoying but still it's a nice tool.  Noticably lighter than the Milwaukee tools but may be a bit lighter in abilities too.  My M12s have metal gear boxes which I like even it it adds some weight. 

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2019, 03:02 PM »
More about the promotion, please.... [smile]

You can get it now (via mail) by purchasing through an qualifying automotive dealer. But Home Depot will run an in store special soon.

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/E-Rebates/Auto/2019/Q4/Q4-2019---AUTO---M12-FREE-XC-BATTERY

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« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2019, 08:57 PM »
Looking this tool over I am struck with the way that it's being marketed...on price. "If you don't want to spend the big bucks on the CXS then go with the Milwaukee."

What an insult!

The Milwaukee is made in China by workers making pennies and lacking tax payer funded, world class, universal, not-for-profit healthcare; lacking union protection; lacking multiple months of paid time off per year; lacking free childcare, lacking...all of the other perks one gets when living and working in Germany. Meanwhile, the CXS, at $300 for the full kit (which, don't forget, comes with a SYS 1 - a ~$60 value), looks like a bargain in comparison.

I'd rather jump off a bridge then hand over my hard earned cash to an unethical and unscrupulous company like Milwaukee (which sold out U.S. workers decades ago), especially when they have the gall to charge a premium price for a tool that no doubt cost them much less to make then the CXS costs Festool to make. A huge chunk of that extra profit goes right into the pockets of the fat cats that sit at the top of the company. Meanwhile, workers get the shaft.

The Milwaukee copy should sell for $100. Then, at least, I wouldn't feel insulted.

It's truly criminal how these transnational companies think they can exploit workers and environments in far off despotic countries (like China) but even worse are consumers who lap it all up.

I'll stick with my German-made CXS thank you very much.
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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2019, 09:33 PM »
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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2019, 11:01 PM »
More about the promotion, please.... [smile]

You can get it now (via mail) by purchasing through an qualifying automotive dealer. But Home Depot will run an in store special soon.

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/E-Rebates/Auto/2019/Q4/Q4-2019---AUTO---M12-FREE-XC-BATTERY

Thanks!

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« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2019, 11:22 PM »
Did you know the brains behind Milwaukee Tools' parent is German ?

And childcare isn't really free?

I think you've forgotten to value the added cost of a brushless motor, the better metal chuck, and the offset drive in your price consideration too. None of which CXS even offer at any price.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2019, 12:26 AM »
And don’t forget the value of a really great battery platform. Their M12 and M18 battery platforms and the variety of small hand power tools available within them is also a big selling point. Don’t get me wrong, I love my Festools but unlike Festool, Milwaukee is adding multiple tools (and batteries) to these two platforms consistently. Their Fuel line are as powerful as any cordless tools I have used.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2019, 01:14 AM »
I bought one for two reasons.  First, I already have a bunch of M12 batteries, and second, this allows me to get rid of my M12 screwdriver, drill, and right angle drill.  I am keeping the impact driver.


Thoughts after giving it a quick whirl today.
  • It's lighter than any of the older tools I'm getting rid of.
  • Gripping it with the index finger out improves the balance, which is a little top-heavy otherwise.
  • Power seems to be fine.
  • The right angle clearance is slightly better than the single-purpose right angle drill, but not by much.  I expected it to be maybe 1/2" worse.
  • The location of the forward/reverse switch was not a problem for me, but I like mechanical switches better.
  • The tool won't stand up with one of the larger batteries installed if one of the heads is attached.  Mildly irritating.
For me, the CSX and the Bosch were out of the running because I don't have the batteries.  All I have in Festool are 18V tools.
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« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2019, 06:58 AM »
"Did you know the brains behind Milwaukee Tools' parent is German ?"

Are you saying that TTI is a German company?

https://www.ttigroup.com/our-company/tti-worldwide/

TTI bought Milwaukee years ago. It's one of many brands they market tools under, along with AEG, RIDGID (select AEG tools rebranded for sale in the USA by Home Depot), and Ryobi as well as Homelite and a couple others I can't remember.
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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2019, 09:44 AM »

Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2019, 10:37 PM »
Yes the battery platform are a big deal to me and many others.
I have Impact drivers, Impact wrenches, flood lights, ratchets and more that operate with the same batteries. It’s hard to invest in a tool with batteries that only work for it and a tool platform with a fraction of the available m12 tools.
But I do love German tools, engineers and good working conditions but it doesn’t always translate to the best tool for the job. Expense ($300kit vs $230) had nothing to do with it.


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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2019, 04:37 PM »
I’m considering this drill, owning only 1 Milwaukee from before, the excellent M12 polishing/sander. I saw it early and eagerly asked the dealer when they where expecting it in their shop. .. He, even a Milwaukee fan, didn’t even knew that it was launched. So.. it does not arrive here until early new year 2020. I have ditched the idea of buying the CXS (unless Festool launches a BL CXS with electronics ala C18) as I consider my Makita 12V BL CXT a better drill, light, excellent power, and constant electronics for power and speed control.
(I do have a C18, which is even smother, but also much heavier)

Question is, for those of you having this new Milwaukee; does it have a variable, constant speed control electronics ala Makita or Festool (From C/T18 and above)?
Or, has it just variable speed? (ala Bosch’s multi attachment drill, 12V, which i sold, because lack of constant speed control)

Regards, Stig

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #62 on: October 30, 2019, 05:17 PM »
Bad, Home Depot, bad! They jumped the gun on this promo which was set to start on 11/1.

We, too, have the same deal in stock ready to ship with a free bonus 6Ah battery.

Would appreciate your consideration to order from us. Thanks.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #63 on: October 30, 2019, 08:08 PM »
Bad, Home Depot, bad! They jumped the gun on this promo which was set to start on 11/1.

We, too, have the same deal in stock ready to ship with a free bonus 6Ah battery.

Would appreciate your consideration to order from us. Thanks.

https://www.toolnut.com/milwaukee-2505-22-m12-fuel-brushless-installation-4-in-1-drill-driver-2-0ah-kit.html
will you guys have the M18 Miter with free 8.0 XC battery? I'll be buying one of the 2505s from you soon

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #64 on: October 30, 2019, 10:00 PM »
I ordered my kit today from ToolNut.com . It comes with the drill and all 4 heads, a charger, two 2.0 batteries and an additional 6.0 battery for $229. I’m happy that I waited. If you go to tool nuts deals page they have the Milwaukee promotions that end on October 31st and those that start on November 1st (which are now available). Besides the Installers drill driver they also have the new 1/4” Surge impact driver on the same promo with the free 6.0 battery in addition to the rest of the full kit. Thanks @Shane Holland for your help sorting this out today!

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« Reply #65 on: October 30, 2019, 10:28 PM »
will you guys have the M18 Miter with free 8.0 XC battery? I'll be buying one of the 2505s from you soon

@ColossusX the deal we're offering is a free miter saw stand with the 10" M18 miter saw.

@Alanbach, thanks for the correspondence earlier today and for choosing to order from us.

As Alan mentioned, we have a deals page with all of our tool deals. Since Home Depot started the November promos a little early, we got Milwaukee's blessing to also launch ours.
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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2019, 12:23 AM »
The installation drill kit plus the 12V surge impact would be an amazing combo deal.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2019, 08:37 PM »
Anybody try this Milwaukee on tiny screws?  Does the clutch go low enough?

This seems relative to the users expectations, the material being fastened and the fasteners.  I tested mine with some #4 screws on pine and I was happy with how low it went.  If you are doing super delicate work, I doubt I’d trust any clutch and do it by hand.

I don’t seem to have any run out issue with mine.  I mean maybe a few thousandths with the hex chuck, but pretty much every drill has that. 

I've now had 3, each with 1/16" or more runout... idk maybe i'm just incredibly unlucky with drills.

I chucked up some long thin drill bits in mine just now and could not visually see any discernible wobble at the tip.  When looking at the chick jaws there visually appeared to be runout at the base of the bit, but upon examination one of the 3 jaws is about 1/128” longer than the other two giving the appearance of wobble where there was none.  Also I tested my drill bits for straightness and could not detect any bends in the bits I tested.  Either you’ve been unlucky, or I was got lucky, or there was an error in testing methods.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #68 on: November 06, 2019, 09:58 AM »
I'm a fan of Milwaukee, but the model on display at Home Depot had a really unpleasant, high-pitched shrill sound when I tried it out. 

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #69 on: November 06, 2019, 02:08 PM »
I'm a fan of Milwaukee, but the model on display at Home Depot had a really unpleasant, high-pitched shrill sound when I tried it out.

Hmm, mine sounds exactly the same as the other M12 brushless drills/drivers. 
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2019, 11:09 PM »
Mine just hit my doorstep an hour ago. No material amount of runout that I can see. Seems to have really nice power for a little guy. I’ll do a much better test tomorrow. Thank you @Shane Holland !

That black thing in the front is a magnetic bit holder and the little side fins keep the bits from getting knocked loose. I have only played with the drill for a couple of minutes but that bit holder looks much better than the little metal spring clips on most drills. You know, the ones that bits just disappear from spontaneously.

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« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2019, 10:58 AM »
Thank you @Shane Holland !

Glad to help, as always, sir  [thumbs up]
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« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2019, 11:32 AM »
I just returned my Milwaukee drill. I found the chuck attachments wobbled which just did not feel right while using. I'll be checking out the Bosch flexiclick and csx for a new drill.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2019, 11:36 AM »
what was wobbly ? 

The chucks themselves, the connection point, or are you talking about excessive runout of the bits in the accessory chucks ?

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #74 on: November 16, 2019, 11:47 AM »
Mine had zero wobble even using in the drill without any of the chucks.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2019, 12:05 PM »
what was wobbly ? 

The chucks themselves, the connection point, or are you talking about excessive runout of the bits in the accessory chucks ?

Yes the chucks themselves. All but the Jacobs chuck. I did get run out as well.

I was planning on putting the drill in a systainer so as to match the rest of my tools and because I did not care for the bag it came in.  That would make the price point comparable to a cxs. For that price,  I should not have any problems with run out. So I returned it and will explore my options.

I did like the drill itself. Lots of power. The form factor and magnetic strip in the front. The reverse button was different but not a dealbreaker.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2019, 02:17 PM »
Do the quick-chucks on the Milwaukee hold Centrotec bits? The Bosch does.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2019, 02:41 PM »
Good question, I’ll check when I get home.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2019, 12:27 AM »
@Michael Kellough - Ok, so I forgot earlier but I just went down and checked it out. For the most part the answer is no. The quick release chuck will accept the Centrotec bits but not lock them in. I also tried to put the Centrotec chuck directly onto the drill’s receiver and although it looks right it does not fit. The drill does come with an offset head that accepts 1/4” hex drive bits and that drive is magnetized so you can use the bits there but they are not locked in beyond the hold of the magnet.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2019, 10:48 AM »
The Milwaukee sounded too good to be true.

Offline egmiii

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2019, 11:08 AM »
The Milwaukee sounded too good to be true.

It's a good drill/driver at a fair price (when you consider the extra 6ah battery), with features that other drills do not have (no offset on the Festool). Yes, the driver chucks wobble a tiny bit. The Jacobs does not (where you actually need zero runout). You are putting screws in by hand. CNC or drill press levels of precision are not required. My hand wobbles 100x more when using a screwdriver. Hopefully Milwaukee improves the build quality going forward, but in real world use, it will have zero impact on the functionality of the tool. I don't want the negativity of this discussion to turn off potential buyers from considering the Milwaukee if it fits their needs. I'll say it again, it's a good tool at a fair price.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2019, 11:20 AM »
I just used the Milwaukee 4-in-1 yesterday to drill, countersink, and drive around 50 screws over 5-6 hours.  I had no issues with the forward/reverse switch or wobbling, and since I'm not a particular fan of Centrotec bits, that wasn't an issue.  The two M12 batteries I used were older 2010-12 vintage, and worked just fine.  The magnetic bit holder turned out to be more useful than I expected.  I can't tell you what kind of sound it made, so it must have sounded normal.  I didn't use the bag at all, so that wasn't a problem.  I preferred the four fingered grip over the three fingered grip for better controlling the torque, but the three fingered grip was good for low torque use.


For my shop, it's a keeper.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2019, 11:47 AM »
Just curious. When driving small screws do you have fine torque control so that you do not overdrive the screw?
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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2019, 06:31 PM »
I think you'll be disappointed in the runout of festool too.   The accessory chucks just aren't as precision in general as a jacobs chuck.

That's my experience with all them from Festool, Metabo, Bosch, and Fein.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2019, 11:50 PM »

Just curious. When driving small screws do you have fine torque control so that you do not overdrive the screw?

Yes.  It has both a torque selector collar and a 2-speed switch.  In addition, the trigger is pressure sensitive variable speed.  The manual includes the torque specifications for the settings of the torque selector collar.  (see https://documents.milwaukeetool.com/58-14-2505d2.pdf.)  I used the torque collar for driving, but the smallest screw I used yesterday was about 3/4" #6.  However, I wasn't even close to the lowest torque setting.

When driving small screws, a lot depends on how you pre-drill, what wood you are using, and the screw size, length, material, and lubricant, if any.  However, the Milwaukee tool has all of the capabilities that I would expect in a driver designed for smaller screws.



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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #85 on: November 19, 2019, 01:09 PM »

Just curious. When driving small screws do you have fine torque control so that you do not overdrive the screw?

Yes.  It has both a torque selector collar and a 2-speed switch.  In addition, the trigger is pressure sensitive variable speed.  The manual includes the torque specifications for the settings of the torque selector collar.  (see https://documents.milwaukeetool.com/58-14-2505d2.pdf.)  I used the torque collar for driving, but the smallest screw I used yesterday was about 3/4" #6.  However, I wasn't even close to the lowest torque setting.

When driving small screws, a lot depends on how you pre-drill, what wood you are using, and the screw size, length, material, and lubricant, if any.  However, the Milwaukee tool has all of the capabilities that I would expect in a driver designed for smaller screws.

I think what @vkumar meant was if it has electronic torque compensated speed control.
This differ vastly from variable speed control by the trigger itself.
Electronic compensated speed control works like this:
Imagine you will screw a 5x70mm wood screw into soft wood, without predrilling. Once you press the trigger it starts to rotate at a (presumably) low speed to maintain control at start.
“ETSC” will monitor your trigger switch setting, and continue the speed you started with, the longer the screw is seated deeper in the wood the more resistance it gives, here the “ETSC” comes in, it compensates the force or torque to maintain the almost exact speed. You will then not need to alter more pressure to the trigger, the electronics does this for you.
This gives excellent torque and screw control with both delicate small and large screws.
This is why I chose the Makita drills in the first place, as they also incorporates “ETSC” in their CXT 12V line. Bosch for example, do not in their 12V line, which I had but sold in favour of Makita. I’m not familiar with Festool TSX/CSX if they have this type of electronics, but I have the C18, and this has excellent “ETSC”. I will not buy any screw drill that not have ETSC. The Makita CXT 12V BL is an excellent “fine” tool for delicate work, and it even have enough power to leave my 18V drills behind to only special occasions.