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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2019, 04:37 PM »
I’m considering this drill, owning only 1 Milwaukee from before, the excellent M12 polishing/sander. I saw it early and eagerly asked the dealer when they where expecting it in their shop. .. He, even a Milwaukee fan, didn’t even knew that it was launched. So.. it does not arrive here until early new year 2020. I have ditched the idea of buying the CXS (unless Festool launches a BL CXS with electronics ala C18) as I consider my Makita 12V BL CXT a better drill, light, excellent power, and constant electronics for power and speed control.
(I do have a C18, which is even smother, but also much heavier)

Question is, for those of you having this new Milwaukee; does it have a variable, constant speed control electronics ala Makita or Festool (From C/T18 and above)?
Or, has it just variable speed? (ala Bosch’s multi attachment drill, 12V, which i sold, because lack of constant speed control)

Regards, Stig

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #62 on: October 30, 2019, 05:17 PM »
Bad, Home Depot, bad! They jumped the gun on this promo which was set to start on 11/1.

We, too, have the same deal in stock ready to ship with a free bonus 6Ah battery.

Would appreciate your consideration to order from us. Thanks.

https://www.toolnut.com/milwaukee-2505-22-m12-fuel-brushless-installation-4-in-1-drill-driver-2-0ah-kit.html
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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #63 on: October 30, 2019, 08:08 PM »
Bad, Home Depot, bad! They jumped the gun on this promo which was set to start on 11/1.

We, too, have the same deal in stock ready to ship with a free bonus 6Ah battery.

Would appreciate your consideration to order from us. Thanks.

https://www.toolnut.com/milwaukee-2505-22-m12-fuel-brushless-installation-4-in-1-drill-driver-2-0ah-kit.html
will you guys have the M18 Miter with free 8.0 XC battery? I'll be buying one of the 2505s from you soon

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #64 on: October 30, 2019, 10:00 PM »
I ordered my kit today from ToolNut.com . It comes with the drill and all 4 heads, a charger, two 2.0 batteries and an additional 6.0 battery for $229. I’m happy that I waited. If you go to tool nuts deals page they have the Milwaukee promotions that end on October 31st and those that start on November 1st (which are now available). Besides the Installers drill driver they also have the new 1/4” Surge impact driver on the same promo with the free 6.0 battery in addition to the rest of the full kit. Thanks @Shane Holland for your help sorting this out today!

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #65 on: October 30, 2019, 10:28 PM »
will you guys have the M18 Miter with free 8.0 XC battery? I'll be buying one of the 2505s from you soon

@ColossusX the deal we're offering is a free miter saw stand with the 10" M18 miter saw.

@Alanbach, thanks for the correspondence earlier today and for choosing to order from us.

As Alan mentioned, we have a deals page with all of our tool deals. Since Home Depot started the November promos a little early, we got Milwaukee's blessing to also launch ours.
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Offline George Oliver

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2019, 12:23 AM »
The installation drill kit plus the 12V surge impact would be an amazing combo deal.

Offline AndrewW

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2019, 08:37 PM »
Anybody try this Milwaukee on tiny screws?  Does the clutch go low enough?

This seems relative to the users expectations, the material being fastened and the fasteners.  I tested mine with some #4 screws on pine and I was happy with how low it went.  If you are doing super delicate work, I doubt I’d trust any clutch and do it by hand.

I don’t seem to have any run out issue with mine.  I mean maybe a few thousandths with the hex chuck, but pretty much every drill has that. 

I've now had 3, each with 1/16" or more runout... idk maybe i'm just incredibly unlucky with drills.

I chucked up some long thin drill bits in mine just now and could not visually see any discernible wobble at the tip.  When looking at the chick jaws there visually appeared to be runout at the base of the bit, but upon examination one of the 3 jaws is about 1/128” longer than the other two giving the appearance of wobble where there was none.  Also I tested my drill bits for straightness and could not detect any bends in the bits I tested.  Either you’ve been unlucky, or I was got lucky, or there was an error in testing methods.

Offline promark747

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #68 on: November 06, 2019, 09:58 AM »
I'm a fan of Milwaukee, but the model on display at Home Depot had a really unpleasant, high-pitched shrill sound when I tried it out. 

Offline live4ever

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #69 on: November 06, 2019, 02:08 PM »
I'm a fan of Milwaukee, but the model on display at Home Depot had a really unpleasant, high-pitched shrill sound when I tried it out.

Hmm, mine sounds exactly the same as the other M12 brushless drills/drivers. 
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2019, 11:09 PM »
Mine just hit my doorstep an hour ago. No material amount of runout that I can see. Seems to have really nice power for a little guy. I’ll do a much better test tomorrow. Thank you @Shane Holland !

That black thing in the front is a magnetic bit holder and the little side fins keep the bits from getting knocked loose. I have only played with the drill for a couple of minutes but that bit holder looks much better than the little metal spring clips on most drills. You know, the ones that bits just disappear from spontaneously.

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2019, 10:58 AM »
Thank you @Shane Holland !

Glad to help, as always, sir  [thumbs up]
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Offline Joelm

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2019, 11:32 AM »
I just returned my Milwaukee drill. I found the chuck attachments wobbled which just did not feel right while using. I'll be checking out the Bosch flexiclick and csx for a new drill.

Offline xedos

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2019, 11:36 AM »
what was wobbly ? 

The chucks themselves, the connection point, or are you talking about excessive runout of the bits in the accessory chucks ?

Offline rst

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #74 on: November 16, 2019, 11:47 AM »
Mine had zero wobble even using in the drill without any of the chucks.

Offline Joelm

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2019, 12:05 PM »
what was wobbly ? 

The chucks themselves, the connection point, or are you talking about excessive runout of the bits in the accessory chucks ?

Yes the chucks themselves. All but the Jacobs chuck. I did get run out as well.

I was planning on putting the drill in a systainer so as to match the rest of my tools and because I did not care for the bag it came in.  That would make the price point comparable to a cxs. For that price,  I should not have any problems with run out. So I returned it and will explore my options.

I did like the drill itself. Lots of power. The form factor and magnetic strip in the front. The reverse button was different but not a dealbreaker.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2019, 02:17 PM »
Do the quick-chucks on the Milwaukee hold Centrotec bits? The Bosch does.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2019, 02:41 PM »
Good question, I’ll check when I get home.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2019, 12:27 AM »
@Michael Kellough - Ok, so I forgot earlier but I just went down and checked it out. For the most part the answer is no. The quick release chuck will accept the Centrotec bits but not lock them in. I also tried to put the Centrotec chuck directly onto the drill’s receiver and although it looks right it does not fit. The drill does come with an offset head that accepts 1/4” hex drive bits and that drive is magnetized so you can use the bits there but they are not locked in beyond the hold of the magnet.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2019, 10:48 AM »
The Milwaukee sounded too good to be true.

Offline egmiii

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2019, 11:08 AM »
The Milwaukee sounded too good to be true.

It's a good drill/driver at a fair price (when you consider the extra 6ah battery), with features that other drills do not have (no offset on the Festool). Yes, the driver chucks wobble a tiny bit. The Jacobs does not (where you actually need zero runout). You are putting screws in by hand. CNC or drill press levels of precision are not required. My hand wobbles 100x more when using a screwdriver. Hopefully Milwaukee improves the build quality going forward, but in real world use, it will have zero impact on the functionality of the tool. I don't want the negativity of this discussion to turn off potential buyers from considering the Milwaukee if it fits their needs. I'll say it again, it's a good tool at a fair price.

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2019, 11:20 AM »
I just used the Milwaukee 4-in-1 yesterday to drill, countersink, and drive around 50 screws over 5-6 hours.  I had no issues with the forward/reverse switch or wobbling, and since I'm not a particular fan of Centrotec bits, that wasn't an issue.  The two M12 batteries I used were older 2010-12 vintage, and worked just fine.  The magnetic bit holder turned out to be more useful than I expected.  I can't tell you what kind of sound it made, so it must have sounded normal.  I didn't use the bag at all, so that wasn't a problem.  I preferred the four fingered grip over the three fingered grip for better controlling the torque, but the three fingered grip was good for low torque use.


For my shop, it's a keeper.

Offline vkumar

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2019, 11:47 AM »
Just curious. When driving small screws do you have fine torque control so that you do not overdrive the screw?
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Offline xedos

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2019, 06:31 PM »
I think you'll be disappointed in the runout of festool too.   The accessory chucks just aren't as precision in general as a jacobs chuck.

That's my experience with all them from Festool, Metabo, Bosch, and Fein.

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2019, 11:50 PM »

Just curious. When driving small screws do you have fine torque control so that you do not overdrive the screw?

Yes.  It has both a torque selector collar and a 2-speed switch.  In addition, the trigger is pressure sensitive variable speed.  The manual includes the torque specifications for the settings of the torque selector collar.  (see https://documents.milwaukeetool.com/58-14-2505d2.pdf.)  I used the torque collar for driving, but the smallest screw I used yesterday was about 3/4" #6.  However, I wasn't even close to the lowest torque setting.

When driving small screws, a lot depends on how you pre-drill, what wood you are using, and the screw size, length, material, and lubricant, if any.  However, the Milwaukee tool has all of the capabilities that I would expect in a driver designed for smaller screws.



Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Milwaukee 12V CXS Copy
« Reply #85 on: November 19, 2019, 01:09 PM »

Just curious. When driving small screws do you have fine torque control so that you do not overdrive the screw?

Yes.  It has both a torque selector collar and a 2-speed switch.  In addition, the trigger is pressure sensitive variable speed.  The manual includes the torque specifications for the settings of the torque selector collar.  (see https://documents.milwaukeetool.com/58-14-2505d2.pdf.)  I used the torque collar for driving, but the smallest screw I used yesterday was about 3/4" #6.  However, I wasn't even close to the lowest torque setting.

When driving small screws, a lot depends on how you pre-drill, what wood you are using, and the screw size, length, material, and lubricant, if any.  However, the Milwaukee tool has all of the capabilities that I would expect in a driver designed for smaller screws.

I think what @vkumar meant was if it has electronic torque compensated speed control.
This differ vastly from variable speed control by the trigger itself.
Electronic compensated speed control works like this:
Imagine you will screw a 5x70mm wood screw into soft wood, without predrilling. Once you press the trigger it starts to rotate at a (presumably) low speed to maintain control at start.
“ETSC” will monitor your trigger switch setting, and continue the speed you started with, the longer the screw is seated deeper in the wood the more resistance it gives, here the “ETSC” comes in, it compensates the force or torque to maintain the almost exact speed. You will then not need to alter more pressure to the trigger, the electronics does this for you.
This gives excellent torque and screw control with both delicate small and large screws.
This is why I chose the Makita drills in the first place, as they also incorporates “ETSC” in their CXT 12V line. Bosch for example, do not in their 12V line, which I had but sold in favour of Makita. I’m not familiar with Festool TSX/CSX if they have this type of electronics, but I have the C18, and this has excellent “ETSC”. I will not buy any screw drill that not have ETSC. The Makita CXT 12V BL is an excellent “fine” tool for delicate work, and it even have enough power to leave my 18V drills behind to only special occasions.