Author Topic: Matching TS55 (2020) to Nilfisk vac (Read 2316 times)

dpawson · « **on:** December 26, 2020, 09:15 AM »

I have the Nilfisk Aero 26-21 PC 1250W 25Ltr Wet & Dry Vacuum Cleaner.
58mm ext diameter hose (vac end).

Equipment end of the Nilfisk vac fits the TS55, with the bayonet removed, but not readily.

What size is the vac end, ext diameter please, on (I think)
https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/452881---d-36x3,5m#Overview this hose please?

I.e. I want a Festool hose, bayonet fitting, 36mm hose diameter to use with the Nilfisk vac?

rvieceli · « **Reply #1 on:** December 26, 2020, 10:07 AM »

Should be 58 mm. I don't have that particular hose but all my Festool hoses measure 58mm in the vac end.

The vac end on the hoses is fairly standardized, it's the tool end where they get creative.

the exception on the vac end is if the hose has some kind of proprietary locking mechanism, but even then a plain end hose will usually fit the vac.

I have a rebranded Nilfisk Attix 44 and the hose from it fits my Festool vac and the Nilfisk hose and my Bosch hose fits the Festool and the Nilfisk.

Ron

dpawson · « **Reply #2 on:** December 26, 2020, 10:25 AM »

Thanks Ron. Sounds good.
Just need to pick a hose with the 'right' bayonet fixture now.
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https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/452881---d-36x3,5m#Overview That one seems to have a 'plain' end (TS55 end)?
Yet the 27mm diameter has a bayonet?

I'm looking for a larger (36mm) hose, with a bayonet end? Any suggestions as to part # please?

Alex · « **Reply #3 on:** December 26, 2020, 11:19 AM »

Quote from: dpawson on December 26, 2020, 10:25 AM

I'm looking for a larger (36mm) hose, with a bayonet end? Any suggestions as to part # please?

https://www.festool.com/accessory/204924---d36x3,5m-asctr

dpawson · « **Reply #4 on:** December 26, 2020, 01:36 PM »

Again, looking at that (the image) - there's no bayonet on the machine end?
A bit confusing Mr Festool?

Peter_C · « **Reply #5 on:** December 26, 2020, 02:51 PM »

Quote from: dpawson on December 26, 2020, 09:15 AM

I.e. I want a Festool hose, bayonet fitting, 36mm hose diameter to use with the Nilfisk vac?

Festool 500684 Suction Hose D 36x5 (Does not have the RFID chip for newer Festool vacs.)

I would recommend the 5 meter hose for the D36 size. Having the extra 1.5 meters make a big difference in usability, especially for cleanups. The grey hose you posted above is NOT anti-static. The green hoses are anti-static.

FestitaMakool · « **Reply #6 on:** December 26, 2020, 05:42 PM »

Look for FT hoses that have this new connector (I believe that newer 36mm hoses has) or buy separately. This has inside bayonet that fits bayonet and non bayonet tools:

Connecting sleeve D 36 DM-AS/CT
for suction hose D 36
for all power tools with D36 flange and cleaning accessories
Item number 500670

https://www.festool.com/accessory/500670---d-36-dm-asct#Overview

Alex · « **Reply #7 on:** December 27, 2020, 02:26 AM »

Quote from: dpawson on December 26, 2020, 01:36 PM

Again, looking at that (the image) - there's no bayonet on the machine end?
A bit confusing Mr Festool?

The picture is generic, look at the description, the hose has a bayonet connector. In fact, it is very hard to find a hose without one at this point. Only if you go for a non-AS grey hose you might get one, but the green AS hoses all have them.

dpawson · « **Reply #8 on:** December 27, 2020, 03:34 AM »

Quote from: FestitaMakool on December 26, 2020, 05:42 PM

Look for FT hoses that have this new connector (I believe that newer 36mm hoses has) or buy separately. This has inside bayonet that fits bayonet and non bayonet tools:

Oh dear, I do feel daft. Bayonet inside? I was looking at the outside (though a 'generic' photo doesn't help at all ).

Thanks all. Anti static aspect? Is it worth it - not something I've had trouble with, I live in UK, (damp climate) so not a feature high on my priorities.

The idea of a connector working with both bayonet and 'straight' connectors is neat!

Thanks all. Much appreciated.
(That's my Xmas pressie sorted... from me to me?)

Alex · « **Reply #9 on:** December 27, 2020, 03:50 AM »

Quote from: dpawson on December 27, 2020, 03:34 AM

Anti static aspect? Is it worth it - not something I've had trouble with, I live in UK, (damp climate) so not a feature high on my priorities.

It is worth it, it does not depend much on the climate, though people in dry areas might get it worse. I live in Holland near the coast, pretty damp here too and I feel static often if my vac is not connected to a grounded circuit.

What is more important for you is if your Nilfisk vac supports an AS hose. The AS effect depends on connecting the hose to the ground circuit so the static safely dissipates. If your Nilfisk does not do that, it is useless to spend extra money on an AS hose.

dpawson · « **Reply #10 on:** December 27, 2020, 04:28 AM »

Quote from: Alex on December 27, 2020, 03:50 AM

It is worth it, it does not depend much on the climate, though people in dry areas might get it worse. I live in Holland near the coast, pretty damp here too and I feel static often if my vac is not connected to a grounded circuit.

What is more important for you is if your Nilfisk vac supports an AS hose. The AS effect depends on connecting the hose to the ground circuit so the static safely dissipates. If your Nilfisk does not do that, it is useless to spend extra money on an AS hose.

Good point Alex, thanks. No is the answer!

Frank-Jan · « **Reply #11 on:** December 27, 2020, 04:40 AM »

Cool, I hadn't seen the connector with the inside bajonet connection yet. I do have one of those smooth hoses that came with my latest vac, but the version for the autoclean models isn't a straight 36 mm but a tapered 36 to 32 mm, and that hose comes with a connector similar to the old 36 mm hoses. And I find it flexible enough to just put the adapter in instead of swapping for a 27 mm hose when needed (at least compared to the old 27mm hose, I haven't tried the flexible version yet)

This hose: https://www.festool.com/accessory/204923---d3632x3,5m-asr#Overview

dpawson · « **Reply #12 on:** December 27, 2020, 04:54 AM »

Quote from: Frank-Jan on December 27, 2020, 04:40 AM

Cool, I hadn't seen the connector with the inside bajonet connection yet. I do have one of those smooth hoses that came with my latest vac, but the version for the autoclean models isn't a straight 36 mm but a tapered 36 to 32 mm, and that hose comes with a connector similar to the old 36 mm hoses. And I find it flexible enough to just put the adapter in instead of swapping for a 27 mm hose when needed (at least compared to the old 27mm hose, I haven't tried the flexible version yet)

This hose: https://www.festool.com/accessory/204923---d3632x3,5m-asr#Overview

Note the postscript? D36/32x3,5m-AS/R

I wonder what they all mean? D36/32 - reducing? AS? Anti-static? R.... reducing again?

Frank-Jan · « **Reply #13 on:** December 27, 2020, 04:58 AM »

Yep, D(iameter) 36 to 32 (mm) 3.5 m length A(nti)S(tatic)/R(with RFID thing)

The one that came with my vac probably doesn't have the RFID thing built in, but I have to order a replacement, because the customer I lend my vac to melted it with a halogen worklight, and the replacement version does, and also has this light-green band on the connector in the picture.

dpawson · « **Reply #14 on:** December 27, 2020, 05:01 AM »

Quote from: Frank-Jan on December 27, 2020, 04:58 AM

Yep, D(iameter) 36 to 32 (mm) 3.5 m length A(nti)S(tatic)/R(with RFID thing)

Thanks for that. How about AS/CTR?
AS Anti-static
C | CT
R RFID?

From https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/204925---d36x5m-asctr#Overview

I do wish Festool were better with their website stuff.

Frank-Jan · « **Reply #15 on:** December 27, 2020, 05:32 AM »

Ha, I just went to a vac and scrolled through the accessories to see a bunch of hoses and look at the common denominators.

The CT at the end appears to apply to the locking type connector,

...then I wondered why some of the vac end hose connector parts also had that in the name, but then I remembered that you can lock both ends of the hose together for transport, so it would have the nibs inside to lock the tool end of the hose inside.

dpawson · « **Reply #16 on:** December 27, 2020, 05:50 AM »

Quote from: Frank-Jan on December 27, 2020, 05:32 AM

Ha, I just went to a vac and scrolled through the accessories to see a bunch of hoses and look at the common denominators.

The CT at the end appears to apply to the locking type connector,

...then I wondered why some of the vac end hose connector parts also had that in the name, but then I remembered that you can lock both ends of the hose together for transport, so it would have the nibs inside to lock the tool end of the hose inside.

Good idea Frank, for transport.
I think I'm going to speak to Festool when they're back after the holidays. Too darned expensive to take a punt!
CT = bayonet? Nah - surely Shirley? 'Connector type'?

dpawson · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2020, 06:23 AM »

Found this page which seems to show most of the options.
Oddly 'hoses' is not a searchable term.

Alex · « **Reply #18 on:** December 27, 2020, 09:21 AM »

I just think CT at the end means it is a hose or connector meant to be used with a vac like the CT/CTL/CTM/CTH vacs.

To distinguish it from other hoses like those for the CMS or the pre-separator.

dpawson · « **Reply #19 on:** December 27, 2020, 09:36 AM »

Quote from: Alex on December 27, 2020, 09:21 AM

I just think CT at the end means it is a hose or connector meant to be used with a vac like the CT/CTL/CTM/CTH vacs.

To distinguish it from other hoses like those for the CMS or the pre-separator.

Thanks Alex. Acronyms galore :-)

Frank-Jan · « **Reply #20 on:** December 27, 2020, 11:35 AM »

Quote from: Alex on December 27, 2020, 09:21 AM

I just think CT at the end means it is a hose or connector meant to be used with a vac like the CT/CTL/CTM/CTH vacs.

To distinguish it from other hoses like those for the CMS or the pre-separator.

Apparantly the CT is short for cleantec, the ct at the end of the hosename is for "cleantec extractor sleeve", which is the name for the bajonetstyle hoselock. (The vacs themselves are called cleantec aswell)

The hoses with the oldstyle smooth hose-ends are also meant to be used with a a CT vac, but don't have the CT at the end of the hosename. (I don't know if I missed any, but it seems bo be only the 36 to 32 mm hoses and the 50 mm hoses.)

dpawson · « **Reply #21 on:** December 28, 2020, 02:53 AM »

Quote from: Frank-Jan on December 27, 2020, 11:35 AM

Apparantly the CT is short for cleantec, the ct at the end of the hosename is for "cleantec extractor sleeve", which is the name for the bajonetstyle hoselock. (The vacs themselves are called cleantec aswell)

The hoses with the oldstyle smooth hose-ends are also meant to be used with a a CT vac, but don't have the CT at the end of the hosename. (I don't know if I missed any, but it seems bo be only the 36 to 32 mm hoses and the 50 mm hoses.)

Odd Frank-Jan - surely most (all?) recent TS55's have that bayonet (cleantec) connection?
CT makes more sense for CleanTec though!

Alex · « **Reply #22 on:** December 28, 2020, 04:18 AM »

Ofcourse CT stands for CleanTec, it has stood for that as long as there have been CTL vacs.

To conclude it also stand for the bayonet fitting is the wrong conclusion when you look at all the vac accessories Festool sells.

dpawson · « **Reply #23 on:** December 28, 2020, 04:28 AM »

Quote from: Alex on December 28, 2020, 04:18 AM

Ofcourse CT stands for CleanTec, it has stood for that as long as there have been CTL vacs.

To conclude it also stand for the bayonet fitting is the wrong conclusion when you look at all the vac accessories Festool sells.

Why 'of course'? Is it expanded on the Festool website?
Seems I'm not the only one to conclude that?

Alex · « **Reply #24 on:** December 28, 2020, 04:56 AM »

Quote from: dpawson on December 28, 2020, 04:28 AM

Why 'of course'? Is it expanded on the Festool website?
Seems I'm not the only one to conclude that?

CleanTec is the name of Festool vacs since they made their first CTL model, like 20 years ago. Yes, that's explained on their website. How do you explain a name? You just give it.

Frank-Jan · « **Reply #25 on:** December 28, 2020, 01:21 PM »

Quote from: Alex on December 28, 2020, 04:18 AM

Ofcourse CT stands for CleanTec, it has stood for that as long as there have been CTL vacs.

To conclude it also stand for the bayonet fitting is the wrong conclusion when you look at all the vac accessories Festool sells.

I know. And I DID look at all the vac accessories. And I saw there were hoses with, and without CT at the end of the hosename.
The difference between those hoses is not that the ones without the CT at the end are not meant to be used with a CT vac, because all hoses are, but that they don't have the bayonet fitting, which festool themselves describes in the description of those hoses as a feature called "cleantec extractor sleave".