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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« on: March 06, 2020, 06:28 PM »
Gotta say, this looks pretty nifty! A dual- 18V cordless saw, 3-3/8" cutting capacity, 60 degree bevel capacity, and works on Makita/Festool tracks. Also includes Makita's Bluetooth technology that works on any dust extractor.

I'd be curious to see how it compares with the TS-75, as this Makita has it beat for bevel capacity and depth. It has similar stats to the KSS-80, I suspect it's intended for the timber framing community....

https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XSH10Z

The appeal to me of the newer generation of cordless tools is that they're no longer voltage-specific, in other words the tools aren't limited to 120V or 240V, instead the batteries are essentially universal and you just need to have the proper charger.

Fingers crossed for a dual- or triple-18V Erika 85.....
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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2020, 06:53 PM »
OMG! The future has arrived! Thumb lever for blade guard is a nice touch.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2020, 07:00 PM by Svar »

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2020, 07:32 PM »
@Shane Holland hey Shane when is this thing going to be available?

Thanks

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2020, 08:02 PM »
@Shane Holland hey Shane when is this thing going to be available?

Ron, this is a brand new addition to the Makita line up. It was just announced this week. We should get inventory in about a week. @rvieceli

Order the XSH01Z now!

ETA:
@Tom Gensmer, obviously no outside splinterguard, but it does have something that appears to be similar to Festool's MMC electronics that provide constant blade speed under load. So, the cut quality should be quite good assuming that you use a high tooth count blade, which may be a challenge with the odd blade diameter. It comes with a 24-tooth with a 5/8" arbor. And, 9-1/4" would be a 235mm equivalent.
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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2020, 09:19 PM »
This is nice. I bought it’s smaller brother with 7-1/4” blade and was going to use it as a stand alone as well as on the track. Couple things I dislike:

1) On the rail depth of cut is about the same as a 6-1/2” track saw.

2) Didn’t think I’d ever say this coming from many years with the Eurekazone system which is designed for regular non-plunge saws but I really favor a plunge action saw on the rail. No blade extended all the time and it proved difficult for the blade guard to be pushed up by the rail.

Looks like a couple of these issues have been corrected on this new offering.

(Maybe ToolNut will take mine back in trade for this new offering.)  [big grin]

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2020, 09:44 PM »
1) On the rail depth of cut is about the same as a 6-1/2” track saw.
Are you sure about that? It's 80 mm on the rail, same as HK85.

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2020, 10:11 PM »
1) On the rail depth of cut is about the same as a 6-1/2” track saw.
Are you sure about that? It's 80 mm on the rail, same as HK85.

Yes - if you see my two points are related to the smaller 7-1/4" little brother. I'll edit my post to make it more clear.

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2020, 11:11 PM »
@Shane Holland hey Shane when is this thing going to be available?

Ron, this is a brand new addition to the Makita line up. It was just announced this week. We should get inventory in about a week. @rvieceli

Order the XSH01Z now!

ETA:
@Tom Gensmer, obviously no outside splinterguard, but it does have something that appears to be similar to Festool's MMC electronics that provide constant blade speed under load. So, the cut quality should be quite good assuming that you use a high tooth count blade, which may be a challenge with the odd blade diameter. It comes with a 24-tooth with a 5/8" arbor. And, 9-1/4" would be a 235mm equivalent.

Oh Shane, How I wish you still worked for Festool :)
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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2020, 11:31 PM »
Oh Shane, How I wish you still worked for Festool :)

@mrB I'll take that as a compliment. I am still very closely affiliated with Festool, just in a different way. I intentionally chose to stay connected to Festool when I transitioned to Tool Nut.

I've said this before, but I think this is the perfect opportunity to say it again: I really appreciate everyone who has supported the companies that I've worked for over the years. McFeelys, Festool USA and now The Tool Nut. I feel very blessed in my career to work for great companies along side great colleagues. The members of this forum have helped me support my family over the years and that means a lot. I really appreciate it guys. I don't take any of it or any of you for granted. A sincere thank you.  [not worthy]
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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2020, 12:06 AM »
@Shane Holland hey Shane when is this thing going to be available?

Ron, this is a brand new addition to the Makita line up. It was just announced this week. We should get inventory in about a week. @rvieceli

Order the XSH01Z now!

ETA:
@Tom Gensmer, obviously no outside splinterguard, but it does have something that appears to be similar to Festool's MMC electronics that provide constant blade speed under load. So, the cut quality should be quite good assuming that you use a high tooth count blade, which may be a challenge with the odd blade diameter. It comes with a 24-tooth with a 5/8" arbor. And, 9-1/4" would be a 235mm equivalent.

Hi Shane! I agree, fitted with an appropriate blade and using an appropriate feed rate on a properly tuned saw I suspect a tradesperson could get decent cuts with the machine. My application would be for initial processing of 12/4 lumber, which up to now would have meant ordering a KSS-80. I still keep a few Festool tracks around for my MT-55 to utilize the TSO TPG parallel guides, so I already have the tracks for the Makita. My expectation would be to use the 9-1/4" Makita to straight-line rip boards, with the edges going over a jointer prior to seeing glue, so a "perfect" edge would be necessary.

Makita really seems to have thrown a lot of features into the saw. As @Svar points out it has the now-familiar thumb lever for retracting the blade guard, a serviceable dust port, 60 degree bevel capacity, functional on a track but designed for off-rail cutting, and I still love the idea of Makita's AWS bluetooth technology that allows certain Makita cordless tools to activate any brand of vac that has an onboard outlet. I'm terribly curious to see if other brands follow this example....

Regarding blades, Makita is normally pretty good about offering at least a handful of blade options for their saws (I think they offer at least three blades for their 5402NA), and if the saw is popular I wouldn't be surprised to see a few aftermarket blades become available as well.
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Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2020, 06:00 AM »
The story of my life is that I always seem to be late to the party. I have to admit that I have made some incredible purchases of battery saws over the years, but generally I have been under impressed with the performance of most I’ve purchased.

There is definitely the convenience factor of not dragging around a cord and the safety factor of not climbing a ladder whilst tethered to an outlet.  The convenience and safety need to be considered as attributes that cancel out any shortcomings.

Having said that, I will state that I think this saw will do quite fine in most wood and wood products up to full depth. I do think that we will see substantial power loss with compound miters and bevels beyond 45 degrees. I recently hand framed a hip roof using my Mafell KSS-80 to process 16” LVL hip/ridge and 11 7/8 x 1 3/4 Timberstrand PSL.  One of the cheek cuts was a 64 degree bevel and 27 degree miter. The saw didn’t power through as with a straight cut, but it didn’t struggle greatly either.

I work with a guy who has the 36v 7 1/4 Makita and he absolutely loves it, so it’s possible that this new 9 1/4 introduction will be equally as good.
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Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2020, 10:34 AM »
This tool addiction is terrible!

I've been with Makita 18V for probably around 12 years. For 36V I have the miter saw, rear handled circ saw, the 7-1/4 circ saw for the rail, and a blower (plus tons of 18V hand tools). Love them all.

Last fall I used the 7-1/4" track capable saw for building a deck out front. Was brown treated lumber and the saw was a joy to use.

Now I'm torn between this saw and TS75.


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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2020, 01:17 PM »
About a year ago I needed a bigger saw and bought the 10-1/4” Skilsaw. Corded. For the same project I’d previously bought and returned two of the cheaper Makita 10” corded saws. The Makita shoes (stamped steel) were warped and crooked (the more expensive Makita has a better shoe) so there was no way to get a good cut. The Skilsaw is much better but the ability to run a big saw on a rail is fantastic. Bad timing for me.

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2020, 02:14 PM »
@Tom Gensmer I’m pretty sure this will only work with Makita AWS extractors.
I have a few Makita AWS bluetooth tools, they will only work with Makita extractors unfortunately.

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2020, 02:27 PM »
@Tom Gensmer I’m pretty sure this will only work with Makita AWS extractors.
I have a few Makita AWS bluetooth tools, they will only work with Makita extractors unfortunately.

@Jiggy Joiner Makita makes an adapter that plugs into the AC outlet of any brand of vacuum, which will communicate with AWS-equipped Makita tools.

https://www.amazon.com/Makita-WUT02U-Auto-Start-Wireless-Universal/dp/B07XPDW84H/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Makita+WUT02U&qid=1583609067&sr=8-1

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2020, 03:22 PM »
So, the cut quality should be quite good assuming that you use a high tooth count blade, which may be a challenge with the odd blade diameter.
There is a wide selection of 9" blades with 5/8" arbor. That gives only 3mm smaller depth of cut.

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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2020, 03:48 PM »
@Tom Gensmer I’m pretty sure this will only work with Makita AWS extractors.
I have a few Makita AWS bluetooth tools, they will only work with Makita extractors unfortunately.

@Jiggy Joiner Makita makes an adapter that plugs into the AC outlet of any brand of vacuum, which will communicate with AWS-equipped Makita tools.

https://www.amazon.com/Makita-WUT02U-Auto-Start-Wireless-Universal/dp/B07XPDW84H/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Makita+WUT02U&qid=1583609067&sr=8-1

https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/WUT02U

@Tom Gensmer I stand corrected Tom, I never knew that, thanks for the welcomed info  [thumbs up]

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2020, 04:05 PM »
@Tom Gensmer I’m pretty sure this will only work with Makita AWS extractors.
I have a few Makita AWS bluetooth tools, they will only work with Makita extractors unfortunately.

@Jiggy Joiner Makita makes an adapter that plugs into the AC outlet of any brand of vacuum, which will communicate with AWS-equipped Makita tools.

https://www.amazon.com/Makita-WUT02U-Auto-Start-Wireless-Universal/dp/B07XPDW84H/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Makita+WUT02U&qid=1583609067&sr=8-1

https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/WUT02U

@Tom Gensmer I stand corrected Tom, I never knew that, thanks for the welcomed info  [thumbs up]

@Jiggy Joiner No worries! This is all new to me as well, I just stumbled across all of this while perusing Makita's web page...  [cool]
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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2020, 05:33 AM »
@Tom Gensmer It’s a good move by Makita I think. We have a lot of Makita tools and a good few from Festool.
When I bought our Makita 36v track saws with AWS, I also bought a couple of Makita 36v extractors, which have proved to be very handy for us. The only thing that niggled me was the extractors were not ac/dc. As a lot of the time the track saws get used in the workshop, so if they were ac/dc we could save on batteries. There is a similar Makita extractor that is ac/d but, doesn’t have bluetooth, crazy really.

So with an adaptor, we can hook up to one of our Festool extractors.
It’s a pity there isn’t an industry standard with bluetooth tools, so they can be mixed and matched across various manufacturers.

Thanks again

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2020, 01:22 PM »
OMG! The future has arrived! Thumb lever for blade guard is a nice touch.

@Svar  Can you help me out? What is thumb lever for the blade guard?

Thanks
Mike

Offline Svar

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2020, 02:11 PM »
OMG! The future has arrived! Thumb lever for blade guard is a nice touch.
@Svar  Can you help me out? What is thumb lever for the blade guard?
Thanks
Mike
There is a lever next to the front handle that you push with your thumb to open blade guard. No need to let go and reach over to the blade side of the saw. HK and Mafell saws have it. Very convenient.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2020, 03:19 PM »
OMG! The future has arrived! Thumb lever for blade guard is a nice touch.
@Svar  Can you help me out? What is thumb lever for the blade guard?
Thanks
Mike
There is a lever next to the front handle that you push with your thumb to open blade guard. No need to let go and reach over to the blade side of the saw. HK and Mafell saws have it. Very convenient.

Nice - that is a clever idea for any circ saw but especially for one used on a rail. My XSH08 does not have that feature and as stated above makes it a little difficult to start a cut on the rail.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2020, 05:03 PM »
I bought one of these. Very nice saw!

Couple things I don't like or need to get use to:

1) the bas is soooooo long you need lots of rail space to get both rail adjusters engauged.

2) This surprised me - it is quieter than my Makita cordless track saw and my Makita cordless XSH08Z (XSH10Z's little brother) until you begin to cut the wood. Then it is MUCH noisier. Maybe blade dynamics?


Overall I really like this saw.


Mike

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Re: Makita XSH10Z track-compatible 9-1/4" cordless saw
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2020, 05:15 AM »
Funny, Makita has already quietly released two awesome saws that run on Festool rails since Bosch began marketing their vaporware “strong arm” 7 1/4” that runs on Mafell rails. 
« Last Edit: May 10, 2020, 05:18 AM by yetihunter »