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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2019, 01:25 PM »
I should have, but did not order the equal pressure clamps.

I know someone who did, he has received them already. He is very happy with them.

Tom

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2020, 11:59 PM »
I ordered 3 and they came today.

They’re a little cumbersome to setup and use. But that’s just from unpacking and playing with them for 15m.

I’ll let you guys know more on the weekend. But In hindsight.... I agree with whom ever posted above. Proper edges and flat boards. Just use parallel clamps. I’ll try them this weekend though.

Matt

Offline box185

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2020, 07:43 AM »
I’ll try them this weekend though.

Matt
It seems like they would have been useful gluing up those laminated panels you made for your workbench. What do you think?

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2020, 08:14 PM »
@box185 probably! My biggest downfall when gluing panels up is I overestimate how much clamping force is actually needed.

On properly jointed panels, you really don't need that much force when gluing. I always think you need more than you do and so end up bending the panels because the clamping force is disproportionally on one side (I usually just lay the boards on my workbench and put parallel clamps on top)

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2020, 04:44 PM »
Okay, I officially don’t like them. They’re very hard to handle and get wood into and parallel clamps work just fine.

I don’t think I would recommend them.

Matt

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2020, 01:03 PM »
Okay, I officially don’t like them. They’re very hard to handle and get wood into and parallel clamps work just fine.

I don’t think I would recommend them.

Matt
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2020, 02:11 PM »
The Woodpecker implementation of this kind of (very old) clamping scheme is too restrictive. It should be changed so that the long bars are not connected to the screw (or the opposite end) until all the boards are loaded. The old diy version (supply your own notched wooden bars) is fairly easy to use.

Offline Carlo Petrilli

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2020, 02:20 PM »
I agree with Matt on this one.  I got suckered into buying them as well and they are a pain to setup and use.  I thought I'd prefer these over my parallel clamps and using cauls and I was wrong.  My biggest issues:

1. Setup for larger thicknesses requires a spacer block.  My fault for not fully understanding the instructions but a pain nonetheless to try to setup.
2. Setup for a certain width of glue up takes too much time to dial them in.
3. Handling them can be precarious, watch your fingers!!  Its like handling a wet noodle....
4. Storing them requires a band around them to keep them from shifting and pinching your fingers.

Bottom-line: these are overrated.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2020, 02:22 PM by Carlo Petrilli »

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2020, 03:14 PM »
I had my (serious) doubts about this system when the video came out. Not trying to rub salt into the wounds, this could truly be a one-time product from WP, given this kind of user feedback.

« Last Edit: January 21, 2020, 03:21 PM by ChuckM »

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2020, 03:14 PM »
I didn't understand the fascination either, particularly given the vertical alternatives available. The US-made version being these. If someone is going to take up a whole bunch of horizontal space they might as well invest in parallel clamps since they can perform other duties beyond panel glue-ups. Otherwise, the vertical versions above at least make an efficient use of space. Bummed that folks are in the position they are with the WP version.
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Online mattbyington

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2020, 05:21 PM »
Yep, you guys have hit the nail on the head.

My biggest issue is how hard it is to setup. Getting the boards in there is really hard.

You know - you live and you learn. They also could have been fantastic. Sometimes you never know. And whomever bought it along with me, we knew the risk. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't.

But - in general - don't recommend them.

Matt

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2020, 12:39 PM »
I didn't understand the fascination either, particularly given the vertical alternatives available. The US-made version being these. If someone is going to take up a whole bunch of horizontal space they might as well invest in parallel clamps since they can perform other duties beyond panel glue-ups. Otherwise, the vertical versions above at least make an efficient use of space. Bummed that folks are in the position they are with the WP version.
Or even better, since the cost of clamping rail setups like this is over half the cost already, just picking up a Festool Domino DF500 to keep panel glue-ups aligned and get to use it for a ton of other tasks! Heck even a cheap doweling jig would work too!
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Offline ear3

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2020, 10:25 AM »
Just took receipt of mine.  Just in time as well since I'm on the verge of a very complicated glue up of a table top for which these will be ideal.

Would note however QC issue, which is that their machine skipped over one set of holes on one of the bars.  I have no doubt that Woodpeckers will make it up and send out a replacement bar, and I may just drill it out myself on the drill press if I get to the glue up prior to receiving it myself.  But this is the first time I've had a defect in one of their products.



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Offline Alanbach

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2020, 06:16 PM »
@ear3 - I had that on one of my bars. Most of them I was able to push on with my thumb and they popped right out. One was a bit stubborn and I hit with a punch and it popped right through.

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2020, 01:40 PM »
Well, I should have listened to the consensus and passed on these.  They work just fine with a straighforward clamping setup, where the wood rests directly on the clampzillas and nothing else.  I just did that here, and got good results with a truly impressive amount of clamping force without any bowing of the panel:

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The problem comes when you want to combine other clamps underneath the base, or have a more complicated glue-up than just 3-4 boards of the same length.  As already noted, these clamps are a PITA to set up because of how the mechanism swings freely when not engaged.  In order to engage it relatively painlessly, the wood has to be resting directly on the bottom bar so there is no movement as the top bar is re-pinned and the metal pads are aligned against the edge of the board.  If there's a space between the wood and the bar (as there might be if you need clearance for other, taller clamps), it's a freaking nightmare to get the metal pads flush against the edge of the wood.  Such a nightmare in fact (which also risks all sorts of nicks and dents on the edge of your panel while you're struggling with it), that I probably won't even attempt it on a complicated glue-up for fear of running past the open time of my glue, unless maybe I have another person involved who can stand on the other side of the boards and assist me with the setup.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2020, 02:23 PM »
@ear3   could you add (securely) a riser block to the lower rail so the Clampzilla rail is supporting the weight and providing clearance for other clamps to slide in underneath the stock?

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2020, 03:22 PM »
Theoretically, but this is the next glue up I'm dealing with:



@ear3   could you add (securely) a riser block to the lower rail so the Clampzilla rail is supporting the weight and providing clearance for other clamps to slide in underneath the stock?
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Offline topguntom8

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2020, 07:44 PM »
Hello everyone. Long-time lurker/learner first time poster.

I have a 1/4 garage set-up with no table saw.  Space is a premium.  Also, I am not a very good woodworker.  Not yet anyway.  Took to the promotional video for these Hook, Line, and Sinker.  Couldn't give them my money fast enough. Bought two w/ the 50'' rail extension. Thought I could get away with less clamps and imperfect edge jointing by buying these. 

Nope. 

They are basically like giant butterfly knives scissoring all-over the place.  Just a total mess.  The boards must sit flat on the bottom rail for them to work.  I have the woodpeckers clamp supports and assumed these would be compatible...but not quite.  The top of the clamp support sits just above the bottom rail, so the wood cant quite make contact.  Super frustrating.  Also, if the width of the panel falls awkwardly between two pin settings, then the clamp wont quite engage the work because the screw either runs out or the H brace is pinched by the clamping arms.

Set-up takes 4 times as long.  Time is better spent jointing the boards properly. 

Lesson learned.  There are no short-cuts for good work.  Still love their stuff, just missed the mark with these. 


Tommy

Offline Dogberryjr

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Re: Clampzilla Woodpeckers OTT
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2020, 08:53 PM »
Theoretically, but this is the next glue up I'm dealing with:

Are those tongue in groove or splined?