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Offline Duane Franks

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2018, 03:12 PM »
Does anyone know if Makita has addressed the blade tracking issue? There is a local supplier who has these on sale for $449 ($100 off) and I am looking at this saw as a possible addition to my shop. Thanks, Duane

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« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2018, 03:18 PM »
Nothing that I've read about yet.  Seems like it's in the hands of the end user for now.  Where is this local source?  I've been keeping an eye out for a friend in the market for a SCMS and haven't seen a price that good yet.
-Raj

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2018, 04:02 PM »
Has anyone seen a zero clearance insert available for this saw? If not, I guess I need to make a template.

Offline JYip

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« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2018, 04:28 PM »
I bought this saw recently. The table was flat and the fence was square. However, like most others, the bars that the saw head travels along are not parallel. I discovered this when I had a cut mark on a board and was lining the mark up with the laser line. As I pulled the saw head back towards me, I noticed that the laser line would move laterally relative to my pencil mark. The final cut was not square. I decided to just return the saw instead of trying to align the bars.

Hope this helps.

Jeff

Offline Duane Franks

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2018, 07:53 PM »
RKA, Sorry for the late response. The local supplier is Jerry's Home Improvement in Eugene, Oregon. I think the price is good until 8PM pacific time today, but may be worth a call to their tool department @ (541) 689-1911.

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« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2018, 09:55 PM »
Thanks!  Your on the other coast but hopefully someone else can benefit!
-Raj

Offline tewic

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2019, 06:43 AM »
I just got a LS1019L as well. Seems like Makita still has the same issue with the slide being slightly off, even though the blade is square to the fences, on new unites.

I've tried loosening the screws on part #169 as suggested, but I'm unsure on how I actually adjust the rails. With the screws loose (even tried screwing them all the way off), #169 is still as fixed on the rails, as with the screws tightned. I haven't tried applying more force, as I'm unsure I'm actually doing the right thing.

When the screws are loose, is #169 supposed to be adjusted to an angle, or pulled forward/backwards. Or is it the rails that should be pulled or adjusted to an angle?

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« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2019, 07:35 AM »
@tewic It take a bit of force to realign the rails.  Once the screws are loosened, slip a 1x2 between the rails and use that to twist the rails so to speak.  Which way?  Try one direction with a small adjustment and see if it’s better or worse, then you’ll know.
-Raj

Offline tewic

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2019, 08:08 AM »
@tewic It take a bit of force to realign the rails.  Once the screws are loosened, slip a 1x2 between the rails and use that to twist the rails so to speak.  Which way?  Try one direction with a small adjustment and see if it’s better or worse, then you’ll know.

Okay, so the rails need to be twisted/adjusted in relation each other, and not both in relation to #169 or their mount on the back of the stand.

I actually thought it was the blade that was not square to the rails, and thus when you square the blade to the fences, the rails are not square to the fences.

Offline tewic

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2019, 04:00 AM »
I did as @RKA suggested and it actually worked. After half an hour of trail and error it was almost spot on. Thank you so much!

One thing I noticed. When twisting it one way, if I twisted it slightly too far and wanted to twist it just a tiny bit back again, it was prone to going back to it's out of factory position. I'm curious to see if after some time of use, if it will slowly slip back to the misaligned position, or if the bolts on #169 will keep it in place.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2019, 10:16 AM »
Thanks guys - worked on my cordless.

Offline gearhound

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #71 on: August 19, 2019, 09:33 PM »
Any updates on Makita fixing this issue yet? Really want to buy one, but not too fond of the thought of tweaking this part #169 when it wasn't meant to be adjustable in the 1st place.....

For those that have made the adjustment tweak, I'm curious how it's holding up over the months/years....does it require frequent adjustment. I'll be using it for furniture builds and don't want to be worrying all the time that it's not square.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #72 on: August 20, 2019, 03:42 AM »
Any updates on Makita fixing this issue yet? Really want to buy one, but not too fond of the thought of tweaking this part #169 when it wasn't meant to be adjustable in the 1st place.....

For those that have made the adjustment tweak, I'm curious how it's holding up over the months/years....does it require frequent adjustment. I'll be using it for furniture builds and don't want to be worrying all the time that it's not square.

Once adjusted and locked up, they hold fine. We bought two of them at the same time a good while back.
Out of the box, one had good rail alignment but, the base angle detents were a little bit out. The other had spot on detents but, the rails needed tweaking.

Both saws have been fine since and I like them a lot, I am a Makita fan though but, have to say, my Kapex is a better saw, by a fair margin (at a price)

I honestly don’t know if Makita have sorted the issues now, a salesman told me they had, he also called me young man, despite me being old enough to be his grandfather  [blink]

I agree too, these saws should not need all these adjustments out of the box. When I‘ve mentioned this at the point of sale, they say it could be a transport issue.

Why not call Makita and ask them, I have called Makita UK on occasion and they’ve always been helpful.
They are nice saws for the money, when set up right, either from the factory, or by user adjustment.

Offline Francis_Beland

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2019, 01:16 PM »
Anyone want to make a little video (or pictures) on how to realign the bars? I also have the problem and I tried doing it. However, I'm not sure what to do exactly and since I don't want to brake it, I will need to get graphic help to be sure I'm doing the right thing.

Thank you

Offline Maero

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2020, 05:29 PM »
I just recently got my LS1219L.

Nice saw in every way... almost. The blade was not parallell to the rails, and the sliding cut was doing a curved motion.

I knew about the Wood Whisperer having an issue with this. And he had stated something about other people adjusting the rails. But he ended up returning the saw.

So I really tried to understand how this could be adjusted. I thought to myself that surely Makita can't make such a good saw with this basic fault. Also my saw is a somewhat updated version and manufactured late 2019.
But no. I could only conclude that this is a problem in the casting of the whole gantry. Adjusting the rails in any way could, in my mind, not change this fact.
I also read about others who had received the response from Makita that this can not be fixed without completely replace the saw unit.

I remembered that during my research for this saw I had seen some discussion about "two screws".. Which two screws!?!
Finally I found this thread again.

Voila! A minor tweak with twisting the rails a miniscule amount in relation to one another, drastically moved the blade position.
First I thought this had to change the bevel angle. And yes it probably does in theory. But #1 It's such a small amount, and #2 It's just as likely to also being adjusted in the correct direction.

A big thanks to this thread!
« Last Edit: February 08, 2020, 05:37 PM by Maero »

Offline John1102

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #75 on: February 08, 2020, 08:40 PM »
Can anyone post a picture of which screws on the Makita saw are for the adjustment?  Thanks!

Offline Lbob131

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2020, 09:17 AM »
It the two allen screws   at the end of  the slide  rails afaik.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2020, 10:07 AM »
Can anyone post a picture of which screws on the Makita saw are for the adjustment?  Thanks!


Go here:

https://www.protoolreviews.com/tools/power/cordless/saws-cordless/makita-10-cordless-miter-saw/34117/

See the black knob in center of picture on the top slide rail? To the left is a casting holding the upper/lower bars. See the two black spots on this casting? Those are the allen screw locations.

Offline Maero

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2020, 04:47 PM »
Can anyone post a picture of which screws on the Makita saw are for the adjustment?  Thanks!
The thing is that these are not adjustment screws. To me it doesn't even make sense. But it works.

Find something to use as leverage between the two rails. You need to twist them (in relation to each other) in a controlled and gently manner in the outwards end where the two screws are.
Loosen the screws and while tweaking the rails - screw them back in to "lock" the rail alignment.

You can think of the lower rail being pushed in the direction you want the blade to move at the end nearest to you. Maybe in a factor 2:1

I also want to add that the curved cut that my saw made previously also went away.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2020, 04:52 PM by Maero »

Offline Francis_Beland

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2020, 03:40 PM »
I'm connecting my 27mm Festool hose on it and I'm not quite satisfied with dust collection. I'm wondering if anyone have this saw and connected the 36mm hose. First does it fit on the saw and second, do you see an improvement like with the Kapex?

Offline jpmeunier

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« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2020, 04:06 PM »
I use a 36mm on mine, it isn't perfect, but it does make a bit difference.

Offline Blues

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« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2020, 04:16 PM »
I'm connecting my 27mm Festool hose on it and I'm not quite satisfied with dust collection. I'm wondering if anyone have this saw and connected the 36mm hose. First does it fit on the saw and second, do you see an improvement like with the Kapex?

I have the exact set up connected to a festool vac. Dust collection is quite decent. Surely not as good as kapex but almost there.  If you notice there are 2 input suction ports that combine to become one. Check if there is any blockage there. Also check if your vac bag is full. Cleaning them could help.  I think makita could have done a better job with their extraction.  Wish i had a 3d printer, could try and re engineer the port and connector.

Offline Francis_Beland

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #82 on: April 08, 2020, 04:25 PM »
Good Thank you. I was hesitating because I wanted to be sure it fit. That will be useful for my Makita, my TS55 and the cleaning kit. The last thing I must decide: AS or not. :)

Offline Paul Lande

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« Reply #83 on: April 09, 2020, 01:51 PM »

New forum member here.  I purchased a new Makita LS1219L from Acme Tools in December and got a nice Makita promotion discount.  I stumbled on this thread today and encountered the same problem with my 12 inch as some of you and the The Word Whisperer.  The blade did not remain square to fence from back to front.  When the blade was all the way back it was square to the fence, when the blade was pulled all the way to the fromt it was not square, so my cut on a wide board would not be square back to front.

At the time I came across this video:



at 4:13 he addresses the problem where the blade is not square to the fence throughout its full travel back to fornt, which I understand to be the problem raised by a number of people in this thread.  In any case it was the problem with my saw and I adjusted the detente plate (miter angle scale) as recommend in the video and on p. 29 of the Makita Instruction Manual for this saw.  This solved my problem: the blade is square to the fence from throughout its full travel back to front.  I also tried this method suggested by glass1 before and after the adjustment

glass1:

"I have found the blade not perfectly parellel to the slides to be a common issue on almost all scms. It’s the first thing I look for. I clamp a wide blade board to the saw. It does not matter the miter angle. With thread pushed all the way back I do,a plunge cut and with the blade still running I lift the blade up and pull it all the way out without cutting. Than I plunge down and mate the cuts. If the do not perfectly line up than the blade is not parellel to the slides. Most saws have no adjustment to fix if the blade is not parellel to the slides. My ls1019l is perfectly parellel. Dust collection is very good. Power is excellent.  Slides are smooth. Detent override. Easy to use safety and one can hold the blade guard up with the thumb. Flat table. It’s a great saw. "

Before I made any changes, the front and back cuts were not in perfect alignment.  After adjusting the detente plate they were.  So in my book:  "problem solved".

So I'm wondering, is the problem of the rails not being aligned with the blade discussed here a different problem than I experienced?

Thanks.

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #84 on: April 09, 2020, 02:34 PM »
Yes, they are different issues.  If adjusting the miter detent plate fixed your issue, then the blade was in alignment with the guides to begin with.  All you did was adjust the 0 miter point which is the blade’s orientation to the fence.  If it wasn’t in alignment with the rails,  you would have seen problems checking the front and back of the blade across its travel.  No matter what you do, adjusting that miter plate won’t fix it.

To visualize the issue, imagine you set the blade up so it’s exactly 90 degrees to the fence.  It looks perfect and if you lower the blade to make a chop cut, it’s 90 degrees as expected.  Now imagine the rail is skewed 45 degrees relative to the blade.  That’s an extreme example that you would never see.  But as you pulled the blade out using the slides, it’s actually traveling sideways, remaining perpendicular to the fence.  But the front of the blade and back of the blade are traveling in two different paths.  Does that make sense?
-Raj

Offline Paul Lande

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #85 on: April 09, 2020, 04:23 PM »
RKA,

Well I'm not sure we're communicating.  My problem, as I described above, was that the blade moved toward the end of the square (in exactly the same way as shown by The Wood Whisperer) as I moved the blade from back to front along the full travel along the guide rails.  This is also the phenomenon described by others in this thread (toward the end of the square blade, as in TWW, or away from the end of the square blade).

You seem to be saying that my problem is different than that described by The Wood Whisperer and some of those posting in this thread.  How so?  Is it not that when the blade is at the back of the rails (nearest the fence) it is in alignment with the fence, i.e. square to the fence, and when the blade is at the front of the rails it is not?  Do guide rails out of alignment produce a different problem?

If it is the same problem, why not adjust the miter detente plate first to bring the blade into alignment with the square along the full travel of the blade along the guide rails from back to front (or front to back)?

You said:
"If adjusting the miter detent plate fixed your issue, then the blade was in alignment with the guides to begin with.  All you did was adjust the 0 miter point which is the blade’s orientation to the fence."

The miter detente plate is circular, so adjusting it moves it in an arc in relation to the miter table.  What is actually happening is that the miter table is moving (in an arc) relative to the miter detente plate and relative to the fence at the back of the miter table.  We are therefore changing, by a small amount, the angle to the fence that the blade is moving back to front along the guide rails.
 If the blade moves toward (or away from) the end of the blade of the square (as shown by TWW) it is not moving a 90o to the fence.  Adjusting the detente plate changes the angle at which the blade moves away from the fence as moves back to front along the guide rails because the miter detente plate moves in relation to miter table and changes the 0 (zero) angle relative to the fence.


You said:
"Now imagine the rail is skewed 45 degrees relative to the blade.  That’s an extreme example that you would never see.  But as you pulled the blade out using the slides, it’s actually traveling sideways, remaining perpendicular to the fence.  But the front of the blade and back of the blade are traveling in two different paths.  Does that make sense?"

Well, I suppose that could be happening, but I don't think that's what TWW is describing.  If that did happen, then I would agree that the blade and rails are not parallel to each other.  If that were the case I would think that there would be binding and/or burning as the blade moved through the wood much like a table saw blade that is not parallel to miter slot.  As I look at what TWW showed in his video and read the description of others in this thread, I think it is merely that the blade and rails are parallel, but are not square to the fence when the blade reaches its furthermost point as it moves from front to back.

In any case, when I got my saw, I had the same problem TWW showed in his video and adjusting the miter detente plate in the manner shown in the video I linked fixed it.  I wonder if TWW could have fixed his problem the same way.







Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #86 on: April 09, 2020, 04:38 PM »
RKA,

Well I'm not sure we're communicating.  My problem, as I described above, was that the blade moved toward the end of the square (in exactly the same way as shown by The Wood Whisperer) as I moved the blade from back to front along the full travel along the guide rails.  This is also the phenomenon described by others in this thread (toward the end of the square blade, as in TWW, or away from the end of the square blade).

You seem to be saying that my problem is different than that described by The Wood Whisperer and some of those posting in this thread.  How so?  Is it not that when the blade is at the back of the rails (nearest the fence) it is in alignment with the fence, i.e. square to the fence, and when the blade is at the front of the rails it is not?  Do guide rails out of alignment produce a different problem?

If it is the same problem, why not adjust the miter detente plate first to bring the blade into alignment with the square along the full travel of the blade along the guide rails from back to front (or front to back)?

You said:
"If adjusting the miter detent plate fixed your issue, then the blade was in alignment with the guides to begin with.  All you did was adjust the 0 miter point which is the blade’s orientation to the fence."

The miter detente plate is circular, so adjusting it moves it in an arc in relation to the miter table.  What is actually happening is that the miter table is moving (in an arc) relative to the miter detente plate and relative to the fence at the back of the miter table.  We are therefore changing, by a small amount, the angle to the fence that the blade is moving back to front along the guide rails.
 If the blade moves toward (or away from) the end of the blade of the square (as shown by TWW) it is not moving a 90o to the fence.  Adjusting the detente plate changes the angle at which the blade moves away from the fence as moves back to front along the guide rails because the miter detente plate moves in relation to miter table and changes the 0 (zero) angle relative to the fence.


You said:
"Now imagine the rail is skewed 45 degrees relative to the blade.  That’s an extreme example that you would never see.  But as you pulled the blade out using the slides, it’s actually traveling sideways, remaining perpendicular to the fence.  But the front of the blade and back of the blade are traveling in two different paths.  Does that make sense?"

Well, I suppose that could be happening, but I don't think that's what TWW is describing.  If that did happen, then I would agree that the blade and rails are not parallel to each other.  If that were the case I would think that there would be binding and/or burning as the blade moved through the wood much like a table saw blade that is not parallel to miter slot.  As I look at what TWW showed in his video and read the description of others in this thread, I think it is merely that the blade and rails are parallel, but are not square to the fence when the blade reaches its furthermost point as it moves from front to back.

In any case, when I got my saw, I had the same problem TWW showed in his video and adjusting the miter detente plate in the manner shown in the video I linked fixed it.  I wonder if TWW could have fixed his problem the same way.

@Paul Lande

It is a different issue. This is a long thread did you read through all the posts or at least ones helping how to find and correct the issue?

I had the problem on my new Makita and this thread was very helpful to verify I had the issue and told me how to correct it.

Look above and read how to do the wide board cut test - if you pass it yes the wood whisperer video is for you. If not read on further to find out how to correct it.

Mike

Offline jakoblund

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #87 on: June 10, 2020, 09:40 PM »
RKA,

Well I'm not sure we're communicating.  My problem, as I described above, was that the blade moved toward the end of the square (in exactly the same way as shown by The Wood Whisperer) as I moved the blade from back to front along the full travel along the guide rails.  This is also the phenomenon described by others in this thread (toward the end of the square blade, as in TWW, or away from the end of the square blade).

You seem to be saying that my problem is different than that described by The Wood Whisperer and some of those posting in this thread.  How so?  Is it not that when the blade is at the back of the rails (nearest the fence) it is in alignment with the fence, i.e. square to the fence, and when the blade is at the front of the rails it is not?  Do guide rails out of alignment produce a different problem?

If it is the same problem, why not adjust the miter detente plate first to bring the blade into alignment with the square along the full travel of the blade along the guide rails from back to front (or front to back)?

You said:
"If adjusting the miter detent plate fixed your issue, then the blade was in alignment with the guides to begin with.  All you did was adjust the 0 miter point which is the blade’s orientation to the fence."

The miter detente plate is circular, so adjusting it moves it in an arc in relation to the miter table.  What is actually happening is that the miter table is moving (in an arc) relative to the miter detente plate and relative to the fence at the back of the miter table.  We are therefore changing, by a small amount, the angle to the fence that the blade is moving back to front along the guide rails.
 If the blade moves toward (or away from) the end of the blade of the square (as shown by TWW) it is not moving a 90o to the fence.  Adjusting the detente plate changes the angle at which the blade moves away from the fence as moves back to front along the guide rails because the miter detente plate moves in relation to miter table and changes the 0 (zero) angle relative to the fence.


You said:
"Now imagine the rail is skewed 45 degrees relative to the blade.  That’s an extreme example that you would never see.  But as you pulled the blade out using the slides, it’s actually traveling sideways, remaining perpendicular to the fence.  But the front of the blade and back of the blade are traveling in two different paths.  Does that make sense?"

Well, I suppose that could be happening, but I don't think that's what TWW is describing.  If that did happen, then I would agree that the blade and rails are not parallel to each other.  If that were the case I would think that there would be binding and/or burning as the blade moved through the wood much like a table saw blade that is not parallel to miter slot.  As I look at what TWW showed in his video and read the description of others in this thread, I think it is merely that the blade and rails are parallel, but are not square to the fence when the blade reaches its furthermost point as it moves from front to back.

In any case, when I got my saw, I had the same problem TWW showed in his video and adjusting the miter detente plate in the manner shown in the video I linked fixed it.  I wonder if TWW could have fixed his problem the same way.







I've tried to draw an explanation to the two scenarios. Hope I've got it right:)