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Offline JimmyFord

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #180 on: October 08, 2019, 12:37 PM »
Would you consider it a replacement for the 75 as well?  Besides the extra cut capacity would you be losing out on anything?

Thats why I got the mt55 actually, I needed the power of the ts75 for purpleheart and ipe etc- didn't want the added weight. Jeff from timberwolf said the 120v corded mt55 has a 1620w motor- just a bit more than the ts75 iirc. For me, its the ideal saw- power of the ts75 but smaller

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Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #181 on: October 08, 2019, 12:40 PM »
If you need 75mm cut capacity how can you consider a saw with only 55mm capacity to be equivalent? Let alone better...
« Last Edit: October 08, 2019, 12:49 PM by Michael Kellough »

Offline RKA

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« Reply #182 on: October 08, 2019, 12:43 PM »
I think Cheese meant to include this link:
https://tsoproducts.com/tso-products-guide-rail-squares/

I have been waiting for a guide rail square as well.  I think the last time I contacted TSO was before Bosch was brought to NA.  Now with that development and the recent Mafell sale, I wonder if it would be feasible for them to entertain development of a Bosch/Mafell compatible GRS?  If you're interested, reach out to them!! 

The only other option is a fellow over in the UK.  The raw cost and shipping back to NA was pricey the last time I checked. 
-Raj

Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #183 on: October 08, 2019, 03:47 PM »
A reminder that the MT-55 works just fine with the Festool guide rails. I kept a few around and am using them with my TSO parallel guides and my MT-55cc.
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Offline Roachmill

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« Reply #184 on: October 08, 2019, 04:54 PM »


Hopefully TSO will come out with an adapter for the rail square to work with Mafell rails.

Taiga Tools (Swedish? makers of the alternative DF500 connectors and a MFT holy jig) have just started doing their own rail squares. Couldn't find them on their main site but they've been showing them on Facebook with a discount code:

https://www.facebook.com/222175511449710/posts/966795033654417/

The FC Rail Square (made in Scotland) fits both Festool compatible rails as well as Bosch / Mafell ones. Either side of the square has different mounts. Not sure they look as easy to connect as the TSO and Taiga ones though:

https://karpenter.co.uk/product/fc-hybrid-rail-square-mark-7/

So there are options for Mafell rails but you'll get financially walloped for importing. I have 2 TSO squares and know just how unpleasant that is :/ But if money were an issue I doubt you'd be buying Mafell ;)




Offline Svar

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« Reply #185 on: October 08, 2019, 06:50 PM »
To those who bought MT55 from US dealer:
Does the motor label say 110V 50Hz or 120V 60Hz?
According to diagram all electrical component numbers in UK 110v version and US models are the same.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #186 on: October 08, 2019, 07:40 PM »

Offline Svar

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« Reply #187 on: October 08, 2019, 07:45 PM »
Thank you, Cheese. Mafell bothered to make US specific sticker.

Offline RKA

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« Reply #188 on: October 08, 2019, 08:07 PM »
Thanks @Roachmill !  The FC rail square was the one I was thinking of.  I did not know about the taiga, it looks like just just announced it and the price isn’t bad at around $120 each.  30 euro shipping though.  Free shipping if you order 2 or more (or maybe that’s a mistake in their shopping cart software).  So I put in an order for 2, 1 for me and one for someone here I guess? 
-Raj

Offline ScotF

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« Reply #189 on: October 09, 2019, 01:08 AM »
I have reached out to TSO and keep pushing for a Mafell rail square. Hopefully in the future.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #190 on: October 09, 2019, 09:59 AM »
The way I'm going to approach it is to adjust the MT 55 base to fit the Festool rail/splinter strip and then I can use it along with the TSC, HKC, GRS-16 and GRS-16 PE.

Because everyone fawns over the Mafell rail system, I'm going to purchase the Mafell Aerofix rail to use with the P1 cc and MT 55. 

Offline PeterJJames13

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« Reply #191 on: October 09, 2019, 10:11 AM »
@Cheese I'm sure if you call and speak with Timberwolf about the Aerofix they'll suggest the longer vacuum hose for it. I bought it and find it useful for longer cuts. Just wanted to make you aware that it's a big help and worth it (for me, anyway) in case you just order online and don't speak with them. It's a great system!

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« Reply #192 on: October 09, 2019, 10:20 AM »
@Cheese I'm sure if you call and speak with Timberwolf about the Aerofix they'll suggest the longer vacuum hose for it. I bought it and find it useful for longer cuts. Just wanted to make you aware that it's a big help and worth it (for me, anyway) in case you just order online and don't speak with them. It's a great system!

Thanks for that Peter...I'll give them a call before I order the rail. I talked with them when I ordered the MT 55, nice people to talk with, very friendly, great user experience.  [smile]

Offline Roachmill

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« Reply #193 on: October 14, 2019, 03:49 PM »
The way I'm going to approach it is to adjust the MT 55 base to fit the Festool rail/splinter strip and then I can use it along with the TSC, HKC, GRS-16 and GRS-16 PE.

Because everyone fawns over the Mafell rail system, I'm going to purchase the Mafell Aerofix rail to use with the P1 cc and MT 55.
I finally broke down and ordered a MT55cc. Just the bare unit with no clamps, tracks and wotnot. I have plenty Festool rails and, more importantly for me, lots of add-ons fitting the accessory slot (parallel guides, stops etc.) so staying with the rails was the way to go.

After swapping in a plug-it connector I moved on to getting it snugged up for running on the tracks. Shock of horrors no amount of twiddling the two cams did anything to help the saw slide. You really had to shove it even with them slackened right off. Turned out there was some rough stuff on the base casting that was causing it to bind. One small bit of filing later and it was running 99% as well as the ts55. Phew! I have a Bosch rail and it does run very smoothly on it but no accessory slot makes it a non starter for me. Especially given the other Festool saws.

Very nice saw. Should manage to recoup a good chunk of the cost selling on the ts55. I'll be sad to see the trusty old fella go [for a split second].
« Last Edit: October 14, 2019, 03:52 PM by Roachmill »

Offline JimmyFord

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« Reply #194 on: October 16, 2019, 11:01 AM »
The way I'm going to approach it is to adjust the MT 55 base to fit the Festool rail/splinter strip and then I can use it along with the TSC, HKC, GRS-16 and GRS-16 PE.

Because everyone fawns over the Mafell rail system, I'm going to purchase the Mafell Aerofix rail to use with the P1 cc and MT 55.
I finally broke down and ordered a MT55cc. Just the bare unit with no clamps, tracks and wotnot. I have plenty Festool rails and, more importantly for me, lots of add-ons fitting the accessory slot (parallel guides, stops etc.) so staying with the rails was the way to go.

After swapping in a plug-it connector I moved on to getting it snugged up for running on the tracks. Shock of horrors no amount of twiddling the two cams did anything to help the saw slide. You really had to shove it even with them slackened right off. Turned out there was some rough stuff on the base casting that was causing it to bind. One small bit of filing later and it was running 99% as well as the ts55. Phew! I have a Bosch rail and it does run very smoothly on it but no accessory slot makes it a non starter for me. Especially given the other Festool saws.

Very nice saw. Should manage to recoup a good chunk of the cost selling on the ts55. I'll be sad to see the trusty old fella go [for a split second].

a little wax on the rails and base does wonders

Offline Svar

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« Reply #195 on: November 21, 2019, 06:55 PM »
Could someone who purchased MT55cc in the US check how the saw idles, especially at low speeds. It has been brought up a while ago (there was a video on YouTube) that the motor speeds up and slows down constantly when not cutting. As if trying to adjust speed and overshoots every time. This does not seem to be the case when under load (cutting). Thanks.

Offline RKA

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« Reply #196 on: November 21, 2019, 07:21 PM »
Mine is 6 years old, but it sounds normal for these saws.  The behavior is a little different than you describe, but they did update the motors a little so that could explain it.  These numbers are fictitious just to give you an idea of the no load behavior.
Start up 5000 rpms
5 secs 2500 rpms (sounds like someone pulled the power)
6-7 seconds 4000 rpms
And it stays the same after that.
-Raj

Offline Svar

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« Reply #197 on: November 22, 2019, 12:32 PM »

Offline RKA

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« Reply #198 on: November 22, 2019, 01:16 PM »
So I don't know if it does that , but I can check later tonight and post.  Truthfully I've only ever used the saw at the highest speed. 

My observations above were based on leaving the motor in the highest speed. 
-Raj

Offline skinee

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« Reply #199 on: November 23, 2019, 07:42 PM »


Hopefully TSO will come out with an adapter for the rail square to work with Mafell rails.

Taiga Tools (Swedish? makers of the alternative DF500 connectors and a MFT holy jig) have just started doing their own rail squares. Couldn't find them on their main site but they've been showing them on Facebook with a discount code:

https://www.facebook.com/222175511449710/posts/966795033654417/

The FC Rail Square (made in Scotland) fits both Festool compatible rails as well as Bosch / Mafell ones. Either side of the square has different mounts. Not sure they look as easy to connect as the TSO and Taiga ones though:

https://karpenter.co.uk/product/fc-hybrid-rail-square-mark-7/

So there are options for Mafell rails but you'll get financially walloped for importing. I have 2 TSO squares and know just how unpleasant that is :/ But if money were an issue I doubt you'd be buying Mafell ;)


I have just left a review of the Taiga rail square(for mafell/bosch rails) on the mafell users forum,it may be of use to some here:   taiga rail square review
NOTE:
it appears the link is being blocked by this forum(really?).I guess anybody interested will have to search for the site manually and find the relevant post.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2019, 07:48 PM by skinee »

Offline Peter Halle

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« Reply #200 on: November 23, 2019, 08:41 PM »


Hopefully TSO will come out with an adapter for the rail square to work with Mafell rails.

Taiga Tools (Swedish? makers of the alternative DF500 connectors and a MFT holy jig) have just started doing their own rail squares. Couldn't find them on their main site but they've been showing them on Facebook with a discount code:

https://www.facebook.com/222175511449710/posts/966795033654417/

The FC Rail Square (made in Scotland) fits both Festool compatible rails as well as Bosch / Mafell ones. Either side of the square has different mounts. Not sure they look as easy to connect as the TSO and Taiga ones though:

https://karpenter.co.uk/product/fc-hybrid-rail-square-mark-7/

So there are options for Mafell rails but you'll get financially walloped for importing. I have 2 TSO squares and know just how unpleasant that is :/ But if money were an issue I doubt you'd be buying Mafell ;)


I have just left a review of the Taiga rail square(for mafell/bosch rails) on the mafell users forum,it may be of use to some here:   taiga rail square review
NOTE:
it appears the link is being blocked by this forum(really?).I guess anybody interested will have to search for the site manually and find the relevant post.

Really? Yes the link is blocked.  Why would one manufaturer’s forum allow itself to be a gateway to a competitor is the answer.

« Last Edit: November 23, 2019, 08:53 PM by Peter Halle »

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #201 on: November 23, 2019, 10:29 PM »

So @Svar  I fired up the MT 55 that I purchased in August and after pulling the trigger, it immediately goes to max rpm,then after about 1-2 seconds, it lowers its speed by about 1000 rpm and then remains at that speed.

Having worked on cars & motorcycles for the last almost 60 years... I’m pretty confident with the 1000 rpm conjecture. The MT speed control wheel was at full speed FWIW.

Offline Svar

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« Reply #202 on: November 23, 2019, 10:34 PM »
The MT speed control wheel was at full speed FWIW.
Thanks. What does it do at lower speed settings?

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« Reply #203 on: November 23, 2019, 10:49 PM »
Thanks. What does it do at lower speed settings?

Well that’s certainly interesting.

On 1&2 it’s got that quirky Festool sound.

On 3 it ramps up, then ramps down and then ramps up again like it’s trying to find home.

On 4, 5 & 6 it’s like I described earlier.

Offline ScotF

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« Reply #204 on: November 24, 2019, 12:29 AM »
It is the electronics - TT even put info in the order explaining it. My KSS80 also pulses at lower speed. It is how it is designed.

Offline Svar

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« Reply #205 on: November 24, 2019, 01:21 AM »
It is the electronics - TT even put info in the order explaining it. My KSS80 also pulses at lower speed. It is how it is designed.
Sure, but what's irritating is inconsistence. This issue has been raised on other forums and YouTube. Some MT55s pulse on all speeds, others only on low, yet some always run steady. Same goes for K85.
When identical machines, regardless what they are, all run differently it's an indication of poor design or poor quality control.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2019, 01:29 AM by Svar »

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« Reply #206 on: November 24, 2019, 06:41 AM »


Really? Yes the link is blocked.  Why would one manufaturer’s forum allow itself to be a gateway to a competitor is the answer.
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well the link was to a review of tools mentioned in a post on this forum that may be of interest to those here who still use the old 1st generation rail system, as both taiga and the fc rail squares have models to fit those 1st generation rails members here might be interested.as festool do not offer rail squares the competition argument does not arise,i was not trying to promote either the mafell forum or any mafell products,i believe members here are well aware of both and are smart enough to make there own choices without attempts at censorship.

Offline RKA

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« Reply #207 on: November 24, 2019, 10:08 AM »
Let’s not debate this.  It’s a Festool forum maintained by Festool.  They could delete threads like this if they became problematic in any way (which I would very much not like to see).
-Raj

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« Reply #208 on: November 24, 2019, 04:02 PM »
It is the electronics - TT even put info in the order explaining it. My KSS80 also pulses at lower speed. It is how it is designed.
Sure, but what's irritating is inconsistence. This issue has been raised on other forums and YouTube. Some MT55s pulse on all speeds, others only on low, yet some always run steady. Same goes for K85.
When identical machines, regardless what they are, all run differently it's an indication of poor design or poor quality control.

Yes, shocking design and quality control. Avoid. [smile]

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« Reply #209 on: November 24, 2019, 09:04 PM »
I have (2) MT55cc and an MF26cc and all three pulse. I’ve never given it’s a minutes thought as they all cut as expected. All 3 were bought over 6 months apart.