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Offline Blues

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« Reply #120 on: August 10, 2019, 11:58 AM »
Can this be adjusted on the MT55 like the TS saws?

NO (that i am aware of). The only setting available would be to adjust the wiggle on the track to make it snug fit. I really like the fact that those knobs are on top of the saw (similar to the two green ones on the festool).

I have a TS 75.. and is there an adjustment to move the blade in or out? If it were.. stupid me, am not aware of it.

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Offline Blues

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« Reply #121 on: August 10, 2019, 12:09 PM »
Attached is a picture. Hope it helps.
I just removed the plastic lip.. moved it further and stuck it back. Then used the MT55 to trim it. Now it is adjusted for the MT55 which i hope will be my primary saw. Festool baldes are thicker. I noticed the same on the TS75 when i used the Tenryu blades as well.

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #122 on: August 10, 2019, 02:38 PM »
When the TS 75 first arrived buyers who also owned a 55 (ATF or TS) were annoyed that the 75 cut down the splinter guard by about a half mm. Looks like the MT 55 cuts a bit beyond where a TS 55 would cut.

The position of the Festool saws can be adjusted.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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« Reply #123 on: August 10, 2019, 03:50 PM »
The MT-55 does have adjustment, just not much of it, well when using it with Festool or Makita rails that is.
When on the Mafell rails, with the plastic base insert mounted, the blade is close to the splinter guard as you’d expect.

It’s like Mafell are saying they prefer us to use their rails. Which makes sense as they’re superior.
Whenever I use the MT-55, I always use the Mafell rails that came with it. The saw feels like it’s gliding on air with them.

Offline Blues

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« Reply #124 on: August 10, 2019, 04:47 PM »
How do we adjust the blades to go in or out of the cutline on the festool saws?

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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« Reply #125 on: August 10, 2019, 05:15 PM »
How do we adjust the blades to go in or out of the cutline on the festool saws?

Have a look at this:

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« Reply #126 on: August 10, 2019, 07:48 PM »
Have a look at this:
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Thank you!

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« Reply #127 on: August 11, 2019, 03:38 AM »
Have a look at this:

Thank you!
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You’re welcome.

Offline JimmyFord

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« Reply #128 on: August 15, 2019, 08:02 PM »
The mt55 is the best saw I have ever owned or used, I kinda want a second one while they are on sale. Finally got a p1cc, it every bit lives up to the hype. Now I want a dd40 lol

Offline Blues

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« Reply #129 on: August 19, 2019, 02:14 AM »
I would never have bought these items if they were not on sale.
The MT55 would replace my TS 75. The MT55 is the best saw i have used.

The DDF40 compliments the Domino XL beautifully. Love the Domino XL and the connectors. DDF40 is easy to use and very precise. Just the LR32 is about 500$. With this tool no big set up to drill shelf pins. Very quick and intuitive for a domino user. Fantastic for sheet goods.

The P1CC is like no other. No comparison.



Offline Jiggy Joiner

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« Reply #130 on: August 19, 2019, 12:23 PM »
I’ve said before, that in my opinion, the MT55 is the best designed plunge saw available.
However, my 36v bluetooth Makita is still my favourite, and my very little used TS55 has now been sold.

Offline HowardH

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« Reply #131 on: August 23, 2019, 04:57 PM »
I bit. Took the plunge... and got the new DDF40.  It's a essentially a domino that uses dowels.  Everything lines up perfectly and the accessories I am still working through.  I will say their manual is even worse than Festool's and they don't have the supplemental versions, either.  Good thing they have quite a few training videos at Timberwolf.  I was told Mafell relies more on their dealer network for training.  Otherwise, I'm thrilled with it.   
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Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #132 on: August 23, 2019, 05:15 PM »
Although I returned my DDF40 I could have used it yesterday on some cabinet stretchers. They had to be narrow and I could have used the extra space (dowels instead of Dominos) for more pocket screws.

Offline broseiden

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« Reply #133 on: August 26, 2019, 10:51 AM »
I think my favorite thing about the MT55CC as compared to my TS55 is that the hose connector fits the hose much more securely, and when rotated into a position it stays there much more securely. Both compared to the stock hose port, and the one for the dust bag.

Offline yetihunter

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« Reply #134 on: August 27, 2019, 01:12 AM »
Haven’t posted in a while.

Owned a P1CC.  Best corded Jigsaw ever.
Bosch is no slouch.

Owned a MT55cc. Best tracksaw ever.
Festool is no slouch, but it’s beat (especially in power).
From what I understand, the cordless version eats the cordless Festool for breakfast.

Owned the KSS40. The whole kit with flexi rail.  It is amazing.
Probably more powerful than the larger cordless HKC.

The larger kss saws eat the HKC for breakfast.

Owned the original Duo Doweler.  Not going to compare to Domino and Lamello, because they are all better than the others at one thing or another. I would take it plus a biscuit joiner over the DF500, however.

Mafell consolidates their tools + inserts into less and smaller systainers than Festool.  To be fair, Festool has to design exponentially more inserts. Observe the P1CC, there’s a place for everything (including the rose box full of blades) inside of a SYS1.

Timberwolf is a fantastic dealer.

People overate their (Bosch’s, to be precise) guide rails, however. 
True, linking rails is miles ahead of the Festool method, but that is all they have going for them.   No top t-slot.  Bottom t-slot is thin and thus the rail clamps you can easily bend with your thumbs like Uri Gellar to silverwear while on steroids.  The miter/square rail attachment ain’t no replacement for the TSO rail square.  Lighter, easier to move on you.   Flexi rail is legit, though.

I’m not pooping on Festool. Best electric sanders (and so many). Best routers. 
Still the best electronic clutch on a drill.  MFT is now in the ridiculous price range, but still nothing better off the shelf.   etc

Snatch up these deals. 



« Last Edit: August 27, 2019, 01:14 AM by yetihunter »

Offline Blues

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« Reply #135 on: August 27, 2019, 07:57 AM »
When i picked up the DDF40 (already had the XL with seneca) in my mind was thinking.. i might have some overlap in the functionality. I think dowels have their place and perfectly compliment the dominos. For starters the dual dowels are strong enough. I find myself reaching for the DDF40 when working with sheet goods, but certainly for the Dominos when attaching legs or working on bigger projects. The XL in my opinion is a beautiful tool..(id rate the xl best festool tool) so well balanced and love the front and rear handles. The DDF is not ergonomically so awesome.. but good enough. Luckily have had no issues with the plunge (could be a stiffer spring) or the power switch.

So i see both tools compliment each other. I will share some pictures of a walnut cabinet where i have used both.

Offline yetihunter

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« Reply #136 on: August 27, 2019, 08:12 PM »
When i picked up the DDF40 (already had the XL with seneca) in my mind was thinking.. i might have some overlap in the functionality. I think dowels have their place and perfectly compliment the dominos. For starters the dual dowels are strong enough. I find myself reaching for the DDF40 when working with sheet goods, but certainly for the Dominos when attaching legs or working on bigger projects. The XL in my opinion is a beautiful tool..(id rate the xl best festool tool) so well balanced and love the front and rear handles. The DDF is not ergonomically so awesome.. but good enough. Luckily have had no issues with the plunge (could be a stiffer spring) or the power switch.

So i see both tools compliment each other. I will share some pictures of a walnut cabinet where i have used both.

It’s been long enough to forget particularly what and where but for thinner material you can fit a significantly larger dowel than a domino.   Dominos get so small at a point that you’re better off with a biscuit (imho).  A lot of FOG members express selling off their biscuit joiner after buying the DF500.  That’s nice and all, but was it a Lamello or was it a Harbor Freight?  Where did you buy your biscuits?  How were they stored? I digress.   Your cuts have to be spot on to only use the Mafell, but the thought process I always had in mind was (say you’re building a box) to use the doweler on the front of facing side of the piece for perfect registration and dominos or biscuits in the back of the piece.  Quick and fool proof for the quick and dirty minded.   That said, it’s not the tool to go to if you only want to own one joiner. 

Offline Lincoln

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« Reply #137 on: August 27, 2019, 11:59 PM »
Agree with you re. biscuit joiners - if you replaced one with a Domino, then you weren't using it in the right way to start with. Like a lot of tools, they co-exist and work well together. It's like selling a jigsaw because you now have a circular saw.

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« Reply #138 on: August 28, 2019, 10:49 AM »
Haven’t posted in a while.

Owned a P1CC.  Best corded Jigsaw ever.
Bosch is no slouch.

Owned a MT55cc. Best tracksaw ever.
Festool is no slouch, but it’s beat (especially in power).
From what I understand, the cordless version eats the cordless Festool for breakfast.

Owned the KSS40. The whole kit with flexi rail.  It is amazing.
Probably more powerful than the larger cordless HKC.

The larger kss saws eat the HKC for breakfast.

Owned the original Duo Doweler.  Not going to compare to Domino and Lamello, because they are all better than the others at one thing or another. I would take it plus a biscuit joiner over the DF500, however.

Mafell consolidates their tools + inserts into less and smaller systainers than Festool.  To be fair, Festool has to design exponentially more inserts. Observe the P1CC, there’s a place for everything (including the rose box full of blades) inside of a SYS1.

Timberwolf is a fantastic dealer.

People overate their (Bosch’s, to be precise) guide rails, however. 
True, linking rails is miles ahead of the Festool method, but that is all they have going for them.   No top t-slot.  Bottom t-slot is thin and thus the rail clamps you can easily bend with your thumbs like Uri Gellar to silverwear while on steroids.  The miter/square rail attachment ain’t no replacement for the TSO rail square.  Lighter, easier to move on you.   Flexi rail is legit, though.

I’m not pooping on Festool. Best electric sanders (and so many). Best routers. 
Still the best electronic clutch on a drill.  MFT is now in the ridiculous price range, but still nothing better off the shelf.   etc

Snatch up these deals.

Since you have "owned" them what are you using now? It's hard to take an endorsement from someone who no longer owns them or apparently Festool or at least believes Mafell to be better than Festool for the tools listed.

I'm not brand-locked owning tools from Festool, Mafell, Bosch, Dewalt, Milwaukee, and others so I am definitely curious what you are using. I have never bent a Mafell or Bosch rail, but if someone has a habit of over tightening things then I guess it could be an issue.  The rest of your commentary is in line with my experience.

I'll add to your Festool router rating of best...there is no router that can hold its own against the 2200. I'm using mine more and more for things you'd logically use a lighter router for and realizing there is no comparison between the 1400 and 2200.

Offline yetihunter

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« Reply #139 on: September 02, 2019, 08:36 AM »
Haven’t posted in a while.

Owned a P1CC.  Best corded Jigsaw ever.
Bosch is no slouch.

Owned a MT55cc. Best tracksaw ever.
Festool is no slouch, but it’s beat (especially in power).
From what I understand, the cordless version eats the cordless Festool for breakfast.

Owned the KSS40. The whole kit with flexi rail.  It is amazing.
Probably more powerful than the larger cordless HKC.

The larger kss saws eat the HKC for breakfast.

Owned the original Duo Doweler.  Not going to compare to Domino and Lamello, because they are all better than the others at one thing or another. I would take it plus a biscuit joiner over the DF500, however.

Mafell consolidates their tools + inserts into less and smaller systainers than Festool.  To be fair, Festool has to design exponentially more inserts. Observe the P1CC, there’s a place for everything (including the rose box full of blades) inside of a SYS1.

Timberwolf is a fantastic dealer.

People overate their (Bosch’s, to be precise) guide rails, however. 
True, linking rails is miles ahead of the Festool method, but that is all they have going for them.   No top t-slot.  Bottom t-slot is thin and thus the rail clamps you can easily bend with your thumbs like Uri Gellar to silverwear while on steroids.  The miter/square rail attachment ain’t no replacement for the TSO rail square.  Lighter, easier to move on you.   Flexi rail is legit, though.

I’m not pooping on Festool. Best electric sanders (and so many). Best routers. 
Still the best electronic clutch on a drill.  MFT is now in the ridiculous price range, but still nothing better off the shelf.   etc

Snatch up these deals.

Since you have "owned" them what are you using now? It's hard to take an endorsement from someone who no longer owns them or apparently Festool or at least believes Mafell to be better than Festool for the tools listed.

I'm not brand-locked owning tools from Festool, Mafell, Bosch, Dewalt, Milwaukee, and others so I am definitely curious what you are using. I have never bent a Mafell or Bosch rail, but if someone has a habit of over tightening things then I guess it could be an issue.  The rest of your commentary is in line with my experience.

I'll add to your Festool router rating of best...there is no router that can hold its own against the 2200. I'm using mine more and more for things you'd logically use a lighter router for and realizing there is no comparison between the 1400 and 2200.

I use nothing now.  I closed my shop last year and began a fire sale the minute I got laid off.  But thanks for asking. 😂

Tomorrow I’ll have time to add more constructive feedback as I read the whole thread and there’s a lot of different questions that came up that I can answer.
In the meantime, no, there was no Festool nor Mafell exodus.  I should also qualify my statements about varying $$$ joiners: if one is interested in only one joiner to do 99% of their joining needs...the DF500 (or DF700) is (imho) the way to go. 

I should clarify on the guiderails.  It's the guiderail clamps that bend (the part that mates with the track) and not the actual guiderails.   

« Last Edit: September 03, 2019, 12:14 PM by yetihunter »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timberwolf tools LAST DAY1!
« Reply #140 on: September 30, 2019, 01:24 PM »
Called to check on scope of delivery for the KSS 40, the small HKC style saw. It’s very interesting because of the Flexirail that rolls up to fit in the Sys 4 but unrolls to allow you to (just barely) cross cut a sheet of plywood.

There are two ways to buy the saw, basically with batteries ($999) or without batteries ($815) But, the sans batteries version also omits the Flexirail which costs $195 by itself so if you want the Flexirail you can get it for less by buying the full kit, and get 2 batteries a charger thrown in. Quite an incentive.

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« Reply #141 on: October 04, 2019, 05:39 PM »
Just received my Mafell MT 55cc today. The packaging reminds me of Bob Marino.  [smile]

Inside the Systainer the saw is cradled with bunched-up packaging paper. The Systainer is then packaged inside of a tight fitting white cardboard box. The white cardboard box is packaged with air pillows and placed in a larger cardboard box. The larger outside cardboard box has 4 FRAGILE CONTENTS labels on the cover and 1 FRAGILE CONTENTS label on each of the other 4 sides.  [big grin]   Pretty sweet.

Also, Timberwolf guarantees the product for 1 year. However, if you register the product on the Mafell.de website, Mafell will issue a 3 year warranty card.

Also of note is the sale prices are still available while Timberwolf negotiates future pricing with Mafell.
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« Reply #142 on: October 04, 2019, 05:42 PM »
Just received my Mafell MT 55cc today. The packaging reminds me of Bob Marino.  [smile]

Inside the Systainer the saw is cradled with bunched-up packaging paper. The Systainer is then packaged inside of a tight fitting white cardboard box. The white cardboard box is packaged with air pillows and placed in a larger cardboard box. The larger outside cardboard box has 4 FRAGILE CONTENTS labels on the cover and 1 FRAGILE CONTENTS label on each of the other 4 sides.  [big grin]   Pretty sweet.

Also, Timberwolf guarantees the product for 1 year. However, if you register the product on the Mafell.de website, Mafell will issue a 3 year warranty card.

I did not know that you could get a 3 year warranty - interesting! Yes, the packaging is good. Even so, I had some minor damage to my Systainer - not enough to send back, but a bummer on a new tool nonetheless. TT took care of it with a credit and all is good. Love the MT55 saw. Getting my DuoDoweler on Monday!

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #143 on: October 04, 2019, 08:37 PM »
I give Timberwolf top marks as a dealership.

My KSS 40 arrived with a stealth upgrade. The originally scope of delivery listed 92 watt hour batteries. They were replaced by the newer 99 watt hour packs. The same batteries that add nearly $600 to the price of the MT55 18M bl added less than $200 to the KSS 40 (and includes a free Flexirail).

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« Reply #144 on: October 05, 2019, 08:05 AM »
Just received my Mafell MT 55cc today. The packaging reminds me of Bob Marino.  [smile]


Does it work with Festool rails?  Can it be adjusted to fit existing rails?

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« Reply #145 on: October 05, 2019, 10:06 AM »
Does it work with Festool rails?  Can it be adjusted to fit existing rails?

It does work with Festool rails. There's a black Delrin insert held in with 4 screws that needs to be removed first.

I'm curious if the Mafell can be adjusted relative to the Festool splinter strip and if it can also be adjusted for fit on the Festool rail.

I'll take a look today.

I'm blown away with how easy it is to change blades.  [not worthy] [not worthy]

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« Reply #146 on: October 05, 2019, 11:42 AM »
The MT55 is an exceptional saw. Power is more than the TS75 with the newer 13.5 Amp motor. The only thing that is a knock is cutting bevels is off the splinter guard on the rail - it does not pivot around the cut-line. I do not cut that many bevels, but if I do I would consider a separate set of rails dedicated to bevel cuts. Otherwise it is near perfect in my opinion. I still really like my TSC too and do not think that will ever be replaced. It is another tool where I think that Festool just got everything right.

Offline JimH2

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« Reply #147 on: October 05, 2019, 03:26 PM »
Just received my Mafell MT 55cc today. The packaging reminds me of Bob Marino.  [smile]

Inside the Systainer the saw is cradled with bunched-up packaging paper. The Systainer is then packaged inside of a tight fitting white cardboard box. The white cardboard box is packaged with air pillows and placed in a larger cardboard box. The larger outside cardboard box has 4 FRAGILE CONTENTS labels on the cover and 1 FRAGILE CONTENTS label on each of the other 4 sides.  [big grin]   Pretty sweet.

Also, Timberwolf guarantees the product for 1 year. However, if you register the product on the Mafell.de website, Mafell will issue a 3 year warranty card.

Also of note is the sale prices are still available while Timberwolf negotiates future pricing with Mafell.

You might want to double check this. I think the 3 year warranty is only for tools purchased from Europe resellers. If there was a 3 year warranty then Timberwolf would offer it directly as Woodcraft and other vendors do for Festool. Things may have changed though.

If you were to travel to Europe and buy a tool and then register it you probably could get it serviced though you would have to mail it back to Europe.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #148 on: October 05, 2019, 03:45 PM »

You might want to double check this. I think the 3 year warranty is only for tools purchased from Europe resellers. If there was a 3 year warranty then Timberwolf would offer it directly as Woodcraft and other vendors do for Festool. Things may have changed though.

When you register on line at mafell.de and then add the tool number & serial number and you then choose from a pull down list of about 1000 dealers (most of which seem to be in Germany), and choose Timberwolf Tools, the screen comes back with your personal information, the tool you purchased, the dealer you purchased it from and the words 3 year warranty.   They also mentioned something about sending out an extended warranty card. I don’t know what form that will take, could be just an email or a plastic credit type card. We’ll see... [big grin]

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« Reply #149 on: October 05, 2019, 06:02 PM »
Thanks @Cheese. I just registered it and it worked great! Would have never known but for this thread. Hopefully will not need to use it.