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Title: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: JonathanJung on May 02, 2021, 10:07 PM
I've had my eye on the Bosch 12v router, but am wondering if I wouldn't rather have several basic corded routers dedicated to various bits. I'm thinking potentially old, small, stubby routers like those I've seen in cabinet shops. But I can't seem to find them. Any ideas?

The Festool trim router would be fine but the price is far more than this application calls for. And I'd love a little collection of them.

Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Michael Kellough on May 02, 2021, 10:28 PM
That’s the venerable old Porter-Cable 310 laminate trimmer. Been around for about 50 years and it is worth searching for.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: JonathanJung on May 02, 2021, 10:34 PM
That’s the venerable old Porter-Cable 310 laminate trimmer. Been around for about 50 years and it is worth searching for.

Excellent, just the type of info I'm looking for. Thank you!
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: JonathanJung on May 02, 2021, 10:50 PM
The next logical question is, where does one get them?
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Michael Kellough on May 02, 2021, 11:17 PM
Not sure they are still made. It’s the opposite of the kind of tools that wear the PC badge now that B&D owns the company. I think the golden age was back when Rockwell owned PC, when Rockwell built stuff for NASA.

At this point, eBay. The Bosch laminate trimmer 1608 (pre-Colt) is good enough, but looks like they are obsolete too. Don’t know much about Dewalt stuff.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Svar on May 02, 2021, 11:24 PM
The next logical question is, where does one get them?
Ebay is full of them. The question is, what does old PC have over a modern trimmer from professional brands.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: JonathanJung on May 02, 2021, 11:48 PM
The next logical question is, where does one get them?
Ebay is full of them. The question is, what does old PC have over a modern trimmer from professional brands.

From the looks of it, all aluminum build, simpler design, better height adjustment, lower profile, easy to grab from any spot. However, the ergonomics of the 12v Bosch look really really good...
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: usernumber1 on May 03, 2021, 12:58 AM
for these little routers doing roundover, once you go cordless it's hard to go back
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: tsmi243 on May 03, 2021, 08:11 AM
Think about dust collection.  If you want it, you'll have to homebrew something for the Bosch.

I can vouch for the ergonomics, though.  It's perfect in that regard.

Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Cheese on May 03, 2021, 08:39 AM
I keep an 18 year old Milwaukee 2 1/4 HP BodyGrip® router with a 1/16" radius bit in it for just softening edges. No bulky plunge mechanism to work around. Just grab it around the router body where it wears a factory soft rubber pad. The 1/16" radius bit also means dust collection really isn't needed because you're removing so little material.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Tom Gensmer on May 03, 2021, 08:44 AM
I own a pair of the Bosch 12v routers and the ergonomics can't be beat. Right now they're both set up with 1/8" radius bits, one with a standard bearing for general work, the other with a brass pilot for inside corners. At ~$100/ea, they're eminently affordable, and I'm strongly considering picking up another that would be set up with a chamfer bit.

One thing to note on the 12v Bosch is the rpm. The 12v Bosch spins at ~15,000rpm, roughly half of what you'd expect out of a corded tool. In my experience, this means that you need to slow your feed rate a bit. So, if I anticipate a task that will require a lot of trim router work at production speeds I'll usually reach for my MFK700 or my router table, whereas the Bosch 12V routers are great for on-site adjustments/tweaks....
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Packard on May 03, 2021, 08:49 AM
Under $40.00 and weighing in at around 5 ounces, the Veritas round-over tool wins the light-weight crown.  No power cord or batteries required.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8m2c7Bc-GQ

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/32682-veritas-cornering-tool-set?item=05K5030&utm_source=free_google_shopping&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=shopping_feed&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2sqV18Wt8AIVpQaICR067w96EAQYAiABEgIZF_D_BwE

(https://assets.leevalley.com/Size4/10047/05K5030-cornering-tool-set-f-02.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Tom Gensmer on May 03, 2021, 09:05 AM
Under $40.00 and weighing in at around 5 ounces, the Veritas round-over tool wins the light-weight crown.  No power cord or batteries required.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8m2c7Bc-GQ

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/32682-veritas-cornering-tool-set?item=05K5030&utm_source=free_google_shopping&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=shopping_feed&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2sqV18Wt8AIVpQaICR067w96EAQYAiABEgIZF_D_BwE

(https://assets.leevalley.com/Size4/10047/05K5030-cornering-tool-set-f-02.jpg)

I have a set of these and they're great, but struggle on cross-grain and woods prone to tear-out. Great for the tool pouch.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Cheese on May 03, 2021, 09:42 AM
I've had the same issues as Tom with those Veritas items. I finally got tired of glueing the wood splinters back into place and then breaking the edge with a hand block and sand paper.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: tomp on May 03, 2021, 10:17 AM
Look at the MLCS Rocky Trim Router, currently being sold by Penn State Industries for $70. I watched a video where having several "small" routers already set up with various bits (flush trim, round-over, chamfer, etc.) was recommended and bought three of them and have been pretty happy so far. Adjustable speed and pretty good dust pick-up. Probably not going to last as long under high use as some of the "name brands" but should be fine for what I'm using them - and the price is certainly right. I see where the Bosch 12V "bare tool" is selling for $150 so I probably paid less for the three I have than I would have for one Bosch. I made an oversize base for one of them (the one that has the round-over bit), and will probably make an oversize base with the c'bore for the PC guide bushings.

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The only problem I had initially was that I didn't check the adjustment of the latch and the router moved down in the base while I was cutting. A couple minutes for adjustment and it's been fine since then.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: JonathanJung on May 03, 2021, 10:28 AM
I own a pair of the Bosch 12v routers and the ergonomics can't be beat. Right now they're both set up with 1/8" radius bits, one with a standard bearing for general work, the other with a brass pilot for inside corners. At ~$100/ea, they're eminently affordable, and I'm strongly considering picking up another that would be set up with a chamfer bit.

One thing to note on the 12v Bosch is the rpm. The 12v Bosch spins at ~15,000rpm, roughly half of what you'd expect out of a corded tool. In my experience, this means that you need to slow your feed rate a bit. So, if I anticipate a task that will require a lot of trim router work at production speeds I'll usually reach for my MFK700 or my router table, whereas the Bosch 12V routers are great for on-site adjustments/tweaks....

That's very helpful, esp. the note about the RPM. Looks like 13,000 actually. I'll try running one of my routers at that speed and see how it handles production work, or if it's annoyingly slow.

I'm wanting to use these routers for batch building cabinetry, charcuterie boards, etc.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: jaguar36 on May 03, 2021, 11:04 AM
I own a pair of the Bosch 12v routers and the ergonomics can't be beat.

You mean this guy? (https://www.rockler.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5c5edcf249a74e99ece620285918bb9b/6/4/64864-01-1000.jpg)

I'm surprised people like the ergonomics on it.  I can't stand it personally, I have never figured out a comfortable way to hold it and have come close to putting my finger on the bit a few times because of it.  Really wish it was just the traditional design.

To the op though, I almost always have a 1/4" round over in it and love having it setup like that for quick tasks.  I'm considering getting another to leave setup with an 1/8" bit too.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Bob D. on May 03, 2021, 12:13 PM
for these little routers doing roundover, once you go cordless it's hard to go back

I agree. I find myself doing more with my cordless router all the time. I have a PC 450 which I got as a bonus when I bought my Unisaw. It's basically the same as the DeWalt version but fixed speed. I recently got the DeWalt cordless router and it is the same size body as the PC so can use the PC plunge base and all the accessories I have for the PC 450. Using a 1/8" roundover bit in a cordless is great not having to drag a cord around. This is a nice setup for easing edges and makes so little dust you can get away without a dust extractor is you want to.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Packard on May 03, 2021, 12:41 PM
I just looked up DeWalt's 20V Max XR Brushless router.  They are claiming  Speed 16,000 - 25,500 rpm.  Is that accurate?  It seems rather high for a battery-powered router.

For their DWP611PK that are claiming 16,000 - 27,000 no-load rpm.  (110 volt)

It there a greater difference in the units under load?
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Imemiter on May 03, 2021, 01:22 PM
I've got a Porter Cable 7310 in embarrassingly good condition. Read the reviews and if you're interested, let me know. I owe the FOG a solid or six. I liked the PC, but predominantly used a Makita offset-base trimmer before getting the cordless model. Then I got a deal on another corded Mak. Anyway, I could stand to thin the quiver.   
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: rst on May 03, 2021, 02:13 PM
I have the 18v Milwaukee, it is a great little router and can be connected to my 18v Metabo vac as a plus.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Packard on May 03, 2021, 03:13 PM
I've had the same issues as Tom with those Veritas items. I finally got tired of glueing the wood splinters back into place and then breaking the edge with a hand block and sand paper.

You have to watch the direction of the grain.  I have the same issue with using a veneer edge banding trimmer.  Go the wrong direction and it will splinter off.  (Though I use a wide sharp chisel nowadays).
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: mino on May 04, 2021, 08:22 AM
Check out the small 6mm/1/4" Makita/Maktec corded trim routers.

They are very light, have adequate power, and ship almost as bare tools at good prices. Over here the Maktec version is €40 incl VAT while a good bit for it goes €30..

They make these extensively for other makers too. Have seen a CMT version and a couple more, do not remember the brands. All using the same motor, housing and switch. Just in different colors.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Packard on May 04, 2021, 08:46 AM
I just visited Amazon.com and they show the Makita laminate trim router for $99.00. 

But they also show several sources selling a trim router in Makita's color scheme for under $40.00.

This is not a Makita ($40.00):
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/717tPasznhL._AC_UL320_.jpg)

And this is a Makita ($99.00):

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/6172zM9tzkL._AC_UL320_.jpg)

Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Mike Goetzke on May 04, 2021, 09:03 AM
I just visited Amazon.com and they show the Makita laminate trim router for $99.00. 

But they also show several sources selling a trim router in Makita's color scheme for under $40.00.

This is not a Makita ($40.00):
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/717tPasznhL._AC_UL320_.jpg)

And this is a Makita ($99.00):

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/6172zM9tzkL._AC_UL320_.jpg)

+1 on Makita. I have the cordless kit.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: mino on May 04, 2021, 09:36 AM
I meant the simpler trim routers with plastic bodies:
https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/3709

It seems in US they sell the 700 Watt ones cheaper than these ... so maybe a better option is per above.

Either way, both are excellent for dedicating to a trim bit.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Michael Kellough on May 04, 2021, 11:04 AM
I meant the simpler trim routers with plastic bodies:
https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/3709

It seems in US they sell the 700 Watt ones cheaper than these ... so maybe a better option is per above.

Either way, both are excellent for dedicating to a trim bit.

Yes, ironically the cheaper version cost 30% more here.

At Home Depot (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Makita-4-Amp-1-4-in-Fixed-Base-Laminate-Trimmer-3709/202757231?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US)
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: afish on May 04, 2021, 12:33 PM
I agree with the cordless statement for trim routers.  I have 6 of the Dewalts and an old corded PC that I neeeeever touch.  Each Dewalt has differnt bit and hangs on a wall ready to go.  So convenient to be able to just grab one and go, no swapping bits (usually) no looking for a free cord or plug.  I am happy with the Dewalts but I know someone that has all Makita and is very happy with the Makita too.  For myself it just comes down to which battery platform you might already have. Although, I will say the Makita does have different bases which is nice.  I recently had to build a tilt base for the Dewalt because they dont offer one which was slightly annoying.  The Makita does have a pretty small base but that is easily fixed.  The Makita is also cheaper 129 vs 199 for dewalt.  If I didnt already have a bunch of other Dewalt batteries and was just picking based on router only I would get the Makita.   
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Rick Herrick on May 04, 2021, 12:34 PM
Before getting into Festool a year ago, I had a bunch of Ryobi tools and batteries.  I rarely use any of them now but they do have a trim router for $69 US.  And since I have a bunch of batteries, I went ahead and ordered one just to see if it can do what I want.  Like most, I don't want to invest a lot but having a couple routers at the ready, would be nice.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Crazyraceguy on May 04, 2021, 08:09 PM
It not just round-overs, but I have several trim routers that are designated to one task/bit.
I like the Bosch Colt platform. I've got four of them, two of the basic fixed base, and two of the "installers kit" units with all of the available bases. I keep one ready with the tilt base, off-set base, and underscribe base. Then there are a couple of Rigid 2400s, each with specific bits.
I also have a similar multi-base set of the Makita, mostly used with the plunge base, and a couple of the cordless ones too.
Yes, I have a problem with routers, but it is quick and efficient, and I do make my living with them.
I do the same with a couple of full-sized routers too.
Milwaukee body-grip routers are great. I have one with a dedicated flush trim bit and another with a pattern bit. Amana insert bits.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: afish on May 04, 2021, 08:20 PM
That Ryobi might surprise you.  I havent ever used one but light duty tasks such as  Roundovers, chamfers, flush trimming doesnt usually require a $500 MFk.  If you have several and leave them set up for dedicated tasks the ergonomics such as height adjustment, bit change etc. becomes less of an issue. I always make new bases for mine anyways because they always feel on the small side and I like to make them so the center of the bit is 2" from one of the long edges.  This way if Im setting up a straight edge to route against I just need to account for the radius of whatever bit Im using.  The main thing becomes how well it fits your hand and battery life.  For $69 bucks I doubt you will be disappointed for a small trim type router.  I wish the Dewalts were 129 like the Makitas. $199 is a little steep for them in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Banana on May 04, 2021, 09:05 PM
After trying a few colors I landed on the Milwaukee 18v.  10k to 31k rpm, plenty of power,  simple ez very fine adjustment,  great dust extraction, good ergonomics, motor brake, cheap n' cheerful always a sale round the corner etc.  I think most guys use the high output 3.0Ah for weight.

Regardless of the brand though, making different bases for how you work / the task will also go a long way towards how you like using any router. 

(https://i.vgy.me/PCAKa0.jpg)

(https://i.vgy.me/Bkzmy1.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Stan Tillinghast on May 04, 2021, 09:41 PM
I have the Makita LXT 18V drill and driver, so added their XTR01Z cordless router. Very handy, nice soft start, lots of power. I think was $118 for bare tool.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: online421 on May 04, 2021, 09:46 PM
I have a Festo Of1000 which I use it for roundover... guess its from the era when Festool used to be Festo?
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: mrFinpgh on May 05, 2021, 01:31 AM
These cordless routers do seem like they would be very convenient.  Cord management isn't fun when the router is running.

I have a few of the old porter cable 310 model routers.  One has the offset base with the belt drive, which is kind of neat.  I haven't done much with them, as I usually run a dewalt trim router since it has some dust collection. 

as @Banana mentions, having the right baseplate makes a world of difference w/ these edge trimmers.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: FestitaMakool on May 05, 2021, 05:34 AM
For those of you who is considering the Makita router, whether corded or cordless.
There’s this lesser known base available separately (It does not come with the 3 base kit)
It’s base can also de-attached from the offset unit in order to be used as a widening base for the router it selves.

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Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: afish on May 05, 2021, 08:11 AM
Yes, thats the major issue with the Dewalts. They only offer a the fixed base and a plunge base. No tilt, offset, or underscribe but I dont think the Makita has an underscribe either (could be wrong on that but I havent seen one).  Underscribe might not be a big deal to most, its pretty specialized as is the offset but its always nice NOT to be limited.  I will probably still pick up a makita cordless and a battery adaptor just for the tilt base.  Plus I have been wanting the Makita drywall cut out tool. That thing looks sweet for remodel work and dust control. 
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: notenoughcash on May 06, 2021, 03:53 AM
i have a katsu makita knock off, and it is identical to the makita other than the scribles on the side.  and it cost half the amount
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Knight Woodworks on May 07, 2021, 02:51 PM
Big fan of dedicated lightweight routers. Currently have four of the Makita cordless for site use. Hope to add a few more.  In the shop I use an old PC, a Bosch GKF125CE, a corded Makita and a Dewalt. Each have their pluses and minuses. I find the Makita to be the most comfortable to hold. Unfortunately it doesn't have a light, a feature I find important. The Bosch isn't quite as comfortable, it is agile and has a light. I don't find the Dewalt to be as comfortable as the others, I do like the light. It will probably end up in a plunge base.

John
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Rick Herrick on May 07, 2021, 03:58 PM
I got the Ryobi cordless in yesterday.  Put a small mortising bit in it as I want to use it to flush cut plugs/dowels.  I don't seem to have the technique with the Japanese pull saw to do this without scratching my work.  This Ryobi set up is very nice.  Cut the poplar dowels very easily.   Will also test with some oak and maple to make sure there is enough power but I think I am going to get a couple more of these.

What type of bits do you guys keep chucked up?  I am thinking this mortise or straight cut bit, a round-over and also a chamfer bit.  Be curious to see what others use on a regular basis that fits this scenario.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: afish on May 07, 2021, 04:38 PM
I typically have a .25 spiral down, a Amana Tool MR0110, Amana Tool - 47147, Amana MR0103, Another round over with a larger radi (the particular size escapes me at the moment Probably a 1/4 with 3/8 bearing but not positive), and a 45° chamfer with 3/8 bearing.

 The two miniature Amana bits probably wont be used by others much but they work good for cutting the onion skin on small parts that come off the cnc that were cut with a .25" bit.  one to flush trim or to just soften the corner depending on the part. If its a part that is going to get glued to another then it gets flushed if its a part that will get handled then the small round over. That pretty much handles most of what I need. I do swap a bit from time to time for odd ball stuff but its pretty rare.   

It will depend on what you typically build and use.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: afish on May 07, 2021, 04:40 PM
Oh, I forgot the Festool 499811 also lives permanently in one trim router.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Michael Kellough on May 07, 2021, 05:17 PM
I got the Ryobi cordless in yesterday.  Put a small mortising bit in it as I want to use it to flush cut plugs/dowels.  I don't seem to have the technique with the Japanese pull saw to do this without scratching my work.  This Ryobi set up is very nice.  Cut the poplar dowels very easily.   Will also test with some oak and maple to make sure there is enough power but I think I am going to get a couple more of these.

What type of bits do you guys keep chucked up?  I am thinking this mortise or straight cut bit, a round-over and also a chamfer bit.  Be curious to see what others use on a regular basis that fits this scenario.

Japanese saws have set teeth too. There are special saws with flush teeth for this purpose. Lee Valley has a good one.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: CeeJay on May 07, 2021, 07:26 PM
Japanese saws have set teeth too. There are special saws with flush teeth for this purpose. Lee Valley has a good one.

Yes this one:

http://www.veritastools.com/products/Page.aspx?p=167

I use it all the time - really good, no scratches.


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Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Crazyraceguy on May 07, 2021, 07:45 PM
I got the Ryobi cordless in yesterday.  Put a small mortising bit in it as I want to use it to flush cut plugs/dowels.  I don't seem to have the technique with the Japanese pull saw to do this without scratching my work.  This Ryobi set up is very nice.  Cut the poplar dowels very easily.   Will also test with some oak and maple to make sure there is enough power but I think I am going to get a couple more of these.

What type of bits do you guys keep chucked up?  I am thinking this mortise or straight cut bit, a round-over and also a chamfer bit.  Be curious to see what others use on a regular basis that fits this scenario.

I typically keep a "bullet" style flush trim bit and a "no-file" bit in each of my cordless Makitas. The Bosch Colts are all configured for some kind of laminate bit too, but with specialty bases. One has the tilt base, one has the off-set base, one has the underscribe attachment and the last one has a 1/8" roundover.  One Rigid has a 1/4" down spiral and the other has an overhang trim bit. The corded Makita has a 3/8" bushing and a 1/4" down spiral.
I also keep two Milwaukee body-grip routers with Amana insert-style bits, one flush-trim, the other pattern. The OF1400 and OF1010 are the ones who actually get bits changed on them. All of the others do one specific thing and the Festools adapt to whatever comes along.
The MFK700 is generally set-up for trimming 3/4" thick wood edges, with the zero degree base, but not always. Sometimes it gets used for 3mm PVC edgebanding, usually on tops curved shape.
There are days that I don't use any of the laminate cutters and then others, like today, where I might have 5-6 of them out at once.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: acer66 on May 08, 2021, 11:43 AM
I own a pair of the Bosch 12v routers and the ergonomics can't be beat.

You mean this guy? (https://www.rockler.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5c5edcf249a74e99ece620285918bb9b/6/4/64864-01-1000.jpg)

I'm surprised people like the ergonomics on it.  I can't stand it personally, I have never figured out a comfortable way to hold it and have come close to putting my finger on the bit a few times because of it.  Really wish it was just the traditional design.

To the op though, I almost always have a 1/4" round over in it and love having it setup like that for quick tasks.  I'm considering getting another to leave setup with an 1/8" bit too.
Fits me like a glove in is my goto round over router.
Was a bit unusual in the beginning but once I got used to it it was like why did it take so long.
Might also help that I have a typical german build. 🤪
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: afish on May 08, 2021, 12:55 PM
I like the looks of that Bosch, I like how the on/off looks like my thumb could easily reach it in while it is being held (unlike the Dewalt) and the slimmer easy to hold shape.  Even the Dewalt can make my hand start to cramp up after awhile but Im not as young as I used to be either.  Not so sure how I feel about it only being 12v but Im not going to be investing in another battery platform and even if I did it would be Makita since they offer one of the most comprehensive cordless lineups.  I do lots of different types of work so that might not apply to someone else that is a little more specialized.  It looks good though other than if you had big hands your fingers might get closer to the business end than I would like.  Bottom line is for light duty work that doesnt require a lot of horse power these cordless trim routers are hard to beat no matter the brand they will make thing much easier and the more you have the better. 

I keep thinking about trying to add D-handles to my dewalts.  If I could figure out a non destructive way to add a D-handle with either a trigger for on/off or at least a switch that is easily toggled while holding the handle would be SWEEEET! one day Ill get some time and try to tinker with one. 
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Stan Tillinghast on May 08, 2021, 03:15 PM
Festita Makool:
Thanks for letting us know about that Makita offset base--I can see occasions when that would be very useful. (That's my general excuse for buying cool tools I may never use). I also bought the plunge base. Dust collection is not up to Festool standards, however, in my experience.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: FestitaMakool on May 08, 2021, 05:23 PM
Festita Makool:
Thanks for letting us know about that Makita offset base--I can see occasions when that would be very useful. (That's my general excuse for buying cool tools I may never use). I also bought the plunge base. Dust collection is not up to Festool standards, however, in my experience.

Haha, well it can easily be the case, however, I generally like to have most accessories available to any tool I have; at least when accessories can be a problem solver. As with this, since I bought the kit version with all the other bases, AND I had a particular task for the offset base, recognised that the moment I saw it, and ordered in fear of it going obsolete.
Have not yet done it; but I’ll retrofit seals to old door jambs - given the larger base and offset this accessory should be just the right tool, maybe.

The dust collection is quite all right, and with the same dc accessory as Festool has to theirs it would probably be very good. Edge routing do throw good amount of dust even with Festool’s, without the right accessories. Sooo.. one better accessorize sooner than later  [big grin]
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: JonathanJung on May 09, 2021, 07:34 PM
Looks like this has hit a popular subject! Glad to read all the responses. Looks like I'll be going the cordless route, Bosch 12v routers and either Makita or Milwaukee 18v.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: Bob D. on May 09, 2021, 08:57 PM
" If I could figure out a non destructive way to add a D-handle with either a trigger for on/off or at least a switch that is easily toggled while holding the handle would be SWEEEET!"

That would be nice. A D handle with trigger switch like the old PC690 had would be a winner.
Title: Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
Post by: fshanno on May 10, 2021, 02:56 PM
Before getting into Festool a year ago, I had a bunch of Ryobi tools and batteries.  I rarely use any of them now but they do have a trim router for $69 US.  And since I have a bunch of batteries, I went ahead and ordered one just to see if it can do what I want.  Like most, I don't want to invest a lot but having a couple routers at the ready, would be nice.

I started buying Ryobi AFTER I already had a bunch of Festool stuff, including this trim router.  I got sucked in because I already had several 18v batteries for lawn stuff.

It's a good little trim router.  No complaints.