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Offline JonathanJung

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Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« on: May 02, 2021, 10:07 PM »
I've had my eye on the Bosch 12v router, but am wondering if I wouldn't rather have several basic corded routers dedicated to various bits. I'm thinking potentially old, small, stubby routers like those I've seen in cabinet shops. But I can't seem to find them. Any ideas?

The Festool trim router would be fine but the price is far more than this application calls for. And I'd love a little collection of them.


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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2021, 10:28 PM »
That’s the venerable old Porter-Cable 310 laminate trimmer. Been around for about 50 years and it is worth searching for.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2021, 10:34 PM »
That’s the venerable old Porter-Cable 310 laminate trimmer. Been around for about 50 years and it is worth searching for.

Excellent, just the type of info I'm looking for. Thank you!

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2021, 10:50 PM »
The next logical question is, where does one get them?

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2021, 11:17 PM »
Not sure they are still made. It’s the opposite of the kind of tools that wear the PC badge now that B&D owns the company. I think the golden age was back when Rockwell owned PC, when Rockwell built stuff for NASA.

At this point, eBay. The Bosch laminate trimmer 1608 (pre-Colt) is good enough, but looks like they are obsolete too. Don’t know much about Dewalt stuff.
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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2021, 11:24 PM »
The next logical question is, where does one get them?
Ebay is full of them. The question is, what does old PC have over a modern trimmer from professional brands.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2021, 11:34 PM by Svar »

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2021, 11:48 PM »
The next logical question is, where does one get them?
Ebay is full of them. The question is, what does old PC have over a modern trimmer from professional brands.

From the looks of it, all aluminum build, simpler design, better height adjustment, lower profile, easy to grab from any spot. However, the ergonomics of the 12v Bosch look really really good...

Offline usernumber1

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2021, 12:58 AM »
for these little routers doing roundover, once you go cordless it's hard to go back

Offline tsmi243

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2021, 08:11 AM »
Think about dust collection.  If you want it, you'll have to homebrew something for the Bosch.

I can vouch for the ergonomics, though.  It's perfect in that regard.


Offline Cheese

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2021, 08:39 AM »
I keep an 18 year old Milwaukee 2 1/4 HP BodyGrip® router with a 1/16" radius bit in it for just softening edges. No bulky plunge mechanism to work around. Just grab it around the router body where it wears a factory soft rubber pad. The 1/16" radius bit also means dust collection really isn't needed because you're removing so little material.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2021, 08:44 AM »
I own a pair of the Bosch 12v routers and the ergonomics can't be beat. Right now they're both set up with 1/8" radius bits, one with a standard bearing for general work, the other with a brass pilot for inside corners. At ~$100/ea, they're eminently affordable, and I'm strongly considering picking up another that would be set up with a chamfer bit.

One thing to note on the 12v Bosch is the rpm. The 12v Bosch spins at ~15,000rpm, roughly half of what you'd expect out of a corded tool. In my experience, this means that you need to slow your feed rate a bit. So, if I anticipate a task that will require a lot of trim router work at production speeds I'll usually reach for my MFK700 or my router table, whereas the Bosch 12V routers are great for on-site adjustments/tweaks....
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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2021, 09:05 AM »
Under $40.00 and weighing in at around 5 ounces, the Veritas round-over tool wins the light-weight crown.  No power cord or batteries required.



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I have a set of these and they're great, but struggle on cross-grain and woods prone to tear-out. Great for the tool pouch.
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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2021, 09:42 AM »
I've had the same issues as Tom with those Veritas items. I finally got tired of glueing the wood splinters back into place and then breaking the edge with a hand block and sand paper.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2021, 10:17 AM »
Look at the MLCS Rocky Trim Router, currently being sold by Penn State Industries for $70. I watched a video where having several "small" routers already set up with various bits (flush trim, round-over, chamfer, etc.) was recommended and bought three of them and have been pretty happy so far. Adjustable speed and pretty good dust pick-up. Probably not going to last as long under high use as some of the "name brands" but should be fine for what I'm using them - and the price is certainly right. I see where the Bosch 12V "bare tool" is selling for $150 so I probably paid less for the three I have than I would have for one Bosch. I made an oversize base for one of them (the one that has the round-over bit), and will probably make an oversize base with the c'bore for the PC guide bushings.

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The only problem I had initially was that I didn't check the adjustment of the latch and the router moved down in the base while I was cutting. A couple minutes for adjustment and it's been fine since then.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2021, 10:28 AM »
I own a pair of the Bosch 12v routers and the ergonomics can't be beat. Right now they're both set up with 1/8" radius bits, one with a standard bearing for general work, the other with a brass pilot for inside corners. At ~$100/ea, they're eminently affordable, and I'm strongly considering picking up another that would be set up with a chamfer bit.

One thing to note on the 12v Bosch is the rpm. The 12v Bosch spins at ~15,000rpm, roughly half of what you'd expect out of a corded tool. In my experience, this means that you need to slow your feed rate a bit. So, if I anticipate a task that will require a lot of trim router work at production speeds I'll usually reach for my MFK700 or my router table, whereas the Bosch 12V routers are great for on-site adjustments/tweaks....

That's very helpful, esp. the note about the RPM. Looks like 13,000 actually. I'll try running one of my routers at that speed and see how it handles production work, or if it's annoyingly slow.

I'm wanting to use these routers for batch building cabinetry, charcuterie boards, etc.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2021, 11:04 AM »
I own a pair of the Bosch 12v routers and the ergonomics can't be beat.

You mean this guy?

I'm surprised people like the ergonomics on it.  I can't stand it personally, I have never figured out a comfortable way to hold it and have come close to putting my finger on the bit a few times because of it.  Really wish it was just the traditional design.

To the op though, I almost always have a 1/4" round over in it and love having it setup like that for quick tasks.  I'm considering getting another to leave setup with an 1/8" bit too.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2021, 12:13 PM »
for these little routers doing roundover, once you go cordless it's hard to go back

I agree. I find myself doing more with my cordless router all the time. I have a PC 450 which I got as a bonus when I bought my Unisaw. It's basically the same as the DeWalt version but fixed speed. I recently got the DeWalt cordless router and it is the same size body as the PC so can use the PC plunge base and all the accessories I have for the PC 450. Using a 1/8" roundover bit in a cordless is great not having to drag a cord around. This is a nice setup for easing edges and makes so little dust you can get away without a dust extractor is you want to.
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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2021, 12:41 PM »
I just looked up DeWalt's 20V Max XR Brushless router.  They are claiming  Speed 16,000 - 25,500 rpm.  Is that accurate?  It seems rather high for a battery-powered router.

For their DWP611PK that are claiming 16,000 - 27,000 no-load rpm.  (110 volt)

It there a greater difference in the units under load?

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2021, 01:22 PM »
I've got a Porter Cable 7310 in embarrassingly good condition. Read the reviews and if you're interested, let me know. I owe the FOG a solid or six. I liked the PC, but predominantly used a Makita offset-base trimmer before getting the cordless model. Then I got a deal on another corded Mak. Anyway, I could stand to thin the quiver.   
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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2021, 02:13 PM »
I have the 18v Milwaukee, it is a great little router and can be connected to my 18v Metabo vac as a plus.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2021, 03:13 PM »
I've had the same issues as Tom with those Veritas items. I finally got tired of glueing the wood splinters back into place and then breaking the edge with a hand block and sand paper.

You have to watch the direction of the grain.  I have the same issue with using a veneer edge banding trimmer.  Go the wrong direction and it will splinter off.  (Though I use a wide sharp chisel nowadays).

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2021, 08:22 AM »
Check out the small 6mm/1/4" Makita/Maktec corded trim routers.

They are very light, have adequate power, and ship almost as bare tools at good prices. Over here the Maktec version is €40 incl VAT while a good bit for it goes €30..

They make these extensively for other makers too. Have seen a CMT version and a couple more, do not remember the brands. All using the same motor, housing and switch. Just in different colors.
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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2021, 08:46 AM »
I just visited Amazon.com and they show the Makita laminate trim router for $99.00. 

But they also show several sources selling a trim router in Makita's color scheme for under $40.00.

This is not a Makita ($40.00):


And this is a Makita ($99.00):




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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2021, 09:03 AM »
I just visited Amazon.com and they show the Makita laminate trim router for $99.00. 

But they also show several sources selling a trim router in Makita's color scheme for under $40.00.

This is not a Makita ($40.00):


And this is a Makita ($99.00):



+1 on Makita. I have the cordless kit.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2021, 09:36 AM »
I meant the simpler trim routers with plastic bodies:
https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/3709

It seems in US they sell the 700 Watt ones cheaper than these ... so maybe a better option is per above.

Either way, both are excellent for dedicating to a trim bit.
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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2021, 11:04 AM »
I meant the simpler trim routers with plastic bodies:
https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/3709

It seems in US they sell the 700 Watt ones cheaper than these ... so maybe a better option is per above.

Either way, both are excellent for dedicating to a trim bit.

Yes, ironically the cheaper version cost 30% more here.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2021, 12:33 PM »
I agree with the cordless statement for trim routers.  I have 6 of the Dewalts and an old corded PC that I neeeeever touch.  Each Dewalt has differnt bit and hangs on a wall ready to go.  So convenient to be able to just grab one and go, no swapping bits (usually) no looking for a free cord or plug.  I am happy with the Dewalts but I know someone that has all Makita and is very happy with the Makita too.  For myself it just comes down to which battery platform you might already have. Although, I will say the Makita does have different bases which is nice.  I recently had to build a tilt base for the Dewalt because they dont offer one which was slightly annoying.  The Makita does have a pretty small base but that is easily fixed.  The Makita is also cheaper 129 vs 199 for dewalt.  If I didnt already have a bunch of other Dewalt batteries and was just picking based on router only I would get the Makita.   

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2021, 12:34 PM »
Before getting into Festool a year ago, I had a bunch of Ryobi tools and batteries.  I rarely use any of them now but they do have a trim router for $69 US.  And since I have a bunch of batteries, I went ahead and ordered one just to see if it can do what I want.  Like most, I don't want to invest a lot but having a couple routers at the ready, would be nice.

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Re: Lightweight routers dedicated to roundovers
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2021, 08:09 PM »
It not just round-overs, but I have several trim routers that are designated to one task/bit.
I like the Bosch Colt platform. I've got four of them, two of the basic fixed base, and two of the "installers kit" units with all of the available bases. I keep one ready with the tilt base, off-set base, and underscribe base. Then there are a couple of Rigid 2400s, each with specific bits.
I also have a similar multi-base set of the Makita, mostly used with the plunge base, and a couple of the cordless ones too.
Yes, I have a problem with routers, but it is quick and efficient, and I do make my living with them.
I do the same with a couple of full-sized routers too.
Milwaukee body-grip routers are great. I have one with a dedicated flush trim bit and another with a pattern bit. Amana insert bits.
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