Author Topic: Kreg Adaptive Cut System (Read 13740 times)

Steven Owen · « **on:** February 24, 2019, 04:14 PM »

Here’s an interesting system from Kreg. It doesn’t appear to be anywhere near as good as the Festool Track Saw systems. I never would have conisder Kreg for as a track saw company in a million years. The product looks neat but it doesn’t appear to use parallel guides or a proper dog system to allow for more flexiblity.

What are some of your thoughts on the new Kreg Adaptive Track system?

ChuckM · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2019, 05:04 PM »

Tracksaws are for breaking down or handling large sheets in my book, though some also suggest that they are the option when space is an issue. Judging from what I see in this forum and elsewhere, the latter is only true for a very smaller number of tracksaw owners, because many tracksaw users (hobbyists) also own an MFT and/other after-market guides and accessories, or a tablesaw to compensate for the inadequacy of a tracksaw.

The Kreg saw as seen in the video also requires a large footprint, as large as a cabinet saw, to do the ripping tasks demonstrated. The accuracy is also compromised when there is a need to set two stops based on sighting against two tape measures.

When one tries to expand one type of tool or machine to do other tasks that it is not designed for, something has to give.

Svar · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2019, 05:35 PM »

Quote from: Steven Owen on February 24, 2019, 04:14 PM

The product looks neat but it doesn’t appear to use parallel guides or a proper dog system to allow for more flexiblity.

Kreg offers two kinds of parallel guides. All other parallel guides will fit too I'm sure.
All dogs are after market accessories. In this regard Kreg is in the same position as any other track saw.

Steven Owen · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2019, 08:38 PM »

It would also depend on the quality of Kreg’s track saw. I wonder who they contracted to make the track saw for them.

fshanno · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2019, 01:21 AM »

You need to check out the Kreg site. They do indeed have dogs. Nice looking blue anodized aluminum dogs with 2 different heights. Kreg also has a parallel guide system that is $100 and just might be superior to anything we've seen. Frankly I'm a little embarrassed that none of us here on FOG has thought of it. Maybe someone has but I haven't seen it. I'm sure going to find out if it will hook up to my Festool guides.

They have Google and they've done their research. They probably spent a good deal of time looking at this forum. They know all about Festool's TS saws and all the accessories. They know about Makita and Bosch and DeWalt and even Mafell and all the cheaper clones. Obviously they've also looked at Eurekazone because they choose a bridge system for their MFT that is closer to Dino's than to ours.

My hat's off to Kreg. This is a very cool system.

Steven Owen · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2019, 02:53 AM »

Quote from: fshanno on February 25, 2019, 01:21 AM

You need to check out the Kreg site. They do indeed have dogs. Nice looking blue anodized aluminum dogs with 2 different heights. Kreg also has a parallel guide system that is $100 and just might be superior to anything we've seen. Frankly I'm a little embarrassed that none of us here on FOG has thought of it. Maybe someone has but I haven't seen it. I'm sure going to find out if it will hook up to my Festool guides.

They have Google and they've done their research. They probably spent a good deal of time looking at this forum. They know all about Festool's TS saws and all the accessories. They know about Makita and Bosch and DeWalt and even Mafell and all the cheaper clones. Obviously they've also looked at Eurekazone because they choose a bridge system for their MFT that is closer to Dino's than to ours.

My hat's off to Kreg. This is a very cool system.

I guess I spoke too soon. They covered the parallel guides too. The Kreg Saw has a splinter guard, a riving knife, and a dust bag. The only potential weakness I can see is the 1200 W motor. You can’t really judge that without putting the saw to use in the field.

It looks like Kreg paid very close attention to a lot of people’s complaints about other saws. They also put wheels on the table and made the table a decent size at 62 inches. That’s more than enough for most projects.

It would have been nice to see a cordless offering.

SilviaS7 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2019, 09:33 AM »

I am super excited for this new saw from Kreg and I will be buying it for sure. First purchase will be the saw and track combo, plus another track. I primarily work with sheet goods, and I don't want to get a table saw so a good track saw is exactly what I need. I hear what others are saying regarding the accuracy of cuts on a track saw vs a table saw, but for users like me who do not want to get a table saw, we can take our time and setup a track saw to make perfect cuts. I want the rest of the Kreg adaptive cutting system too, but I will save up and get that later. I was just saving up for a Festool track saw but I'm so impressed by everything Kreg that I own, plus their amazing customer service, that I want to at least try their track saw before getting a Festool.

Edited because I word badly.

Steven Owen · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2019, 10:27 AM »

Quote from: SilviaS7 on February 25, 2019, 09:33 AM

I am super excited for this new saw from Kreg and I will be buying it for sure. First purchase will be the saw and track combo, plus another track. I primarily work with sheet goods, and I don't want to get a table saw so a good track saw is exactly what I need. I hear what others are saying regarding the accuracy of cuts on a track saw vs a table saw, but for users like me who do want to get a table saw, we can take our time and setup a track saw to make perfect cuts. I want the rest of the Kreg adaptive cutting system too, but I will save up and get that later. I was just saving up for a Festool track saw but I'm so impressed by everything Kreg that I own, plus their amazing customer service, that I want to at least try their track saw before getting a Festool.

They even added anti-kick back and a cord management system on the track to prevent the hose and cord from catching. They really covered their bases really well on this. I’m keen to see some reviews from the pros.

Mike Goetzke · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2019, 01:18 PM »

This system is interesting. I was a user of Eurekazone products probably for 15 years. I know after the owner visited Kreg a while back trying to market his goods they came out with a rip-cut. This is very similar to the EZ UEG. I notice in this ACS the rail is attached to a device very similar to the EZ B-100 bridge. One of the reasons I left Eurekazone was because of all the unanswered promises. I was especially waiting on their track saw design. It was supposed to be front plunging (to prevent kickback) and left bladed. Is this just coincidence?

Steven Owen · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:33 AM »

Quote from: Mike Goetzke on February 25, 2019, 01:18 PM

This system is interesting. I was a user of Eurekazone products probably for 15 years. I know after the owner visited Kreg a while back trying to market his goods they came out with a rip-cut. This is very similar to the EZ UEG. I notice in this ACS the rail is attached to a device very similar to the EZ B-100 bridge. One of the reasons I left Eurekazone was because of all the unanswered promises. I was especially waiting on their track saw design. It was supposed to be front plunging (to prevent kickback) and left bladed. Is this just coincidence?

I’m curious if their table will work with other tracks saws like Festool and Makita. I’m not sure a cheap track saw like the one they’re selling will stack up well against a cordless Makita.

Shane Holland · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:44 AM »

Quote from: Steven Owen on February 27, 2019, 11:33 AM

I’m curious if their table will work with other tracks saws like Festool and Makita. I’m not sure a cheap track saw like the one they’re selling will stack up well against a cordless Makita.

The short answer is no, there's virtually no compatibility between the Kreg track saw and its accessories with other track saw brands.

Also note that the Kreg is a left-handed blade saw unlike all other track saws. Dogs are 3/4".

JimH2 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2019, 12:10 PM »

It really is unbelievable that they did not make their system compatible with existing track saws. Having 3/4" dogs is beyond belief as their lower price points would rope in quite a few buyers.

Svar · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2019, 01:01 PM »

Quote from: Shane Holland on February 27, 2019, 11:44 AM

Quote from: Steven Owen on February 27, 2019, 11:33 AM
I’m curious if their table will work with other tracks saws like Festool and Makita. I’m not sure a cheap track saw like the one they’re selling will stack up well against a cordless Makita.
The short answer is no, there's virtually no compatibility between the Kreg track saw and its accessories with other track saw brands.
Also note that the Kreg is a left-handed blade saw unlike all other track saws. Dogs are 3/4".

I'll believe it (non-compatibility) when I see it. Kreg response to a direct question was elusive, something like "recommend using their saw with their tracks".
Left-handed design has no bearing on the use across systems.
3/4 dogs is a minus, but there is no lack of dog and clamping options on the market for 3/4 holes.

Shane Holland · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2019, 01:36 PM »

I asked the following questions before this system was publicly announced and here are the replies from Kreg:

Q: Is your guide rail (track) compatible with other brands of track saws?
A: No, the 62” Guide Track is designed for use with the Kreg Plunge Saw.

Q: Are the accessories, like the parallel guides and rip guides, compatible with other brands’ guide rails?
A: Kreg has designed these accessories for primary use with the Kreg 62” Guide Track and Kreg Plunge Saw.

Q: Can other brands of guide rails be attached to the project table?
A: No, the Project Table is designed for use with the Kreg 62” Guide Track and Kreg Plunge Saw

Q: What’s the diameter of the holes in the table, ¾” or 20mm?
A: The diameter of the holes in the table are ¾”

I asked Doug to check the demo unit when the rep came to the store. He said that you cannot use another brand's saw on the Kreg track because, as I recall, it would cut the track because it's wider than tracks from Festool, Makita, etc. Also, as I recall, you cannot attach another brands rail to the table with the stock brackets from Kreg. Doug is on vacation currently, so I cannot verify my memory of the compatibility.

Shane

Svar · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2019, 01:51 PM »

Thanks Shane.
"you cannot use another brand's saw on the Kreg track because, as I recall, it would cut the track because it's wider than tracks from Festool, Makita, etc." - well, that's settles it.

However, attaching other track to the table or guides to the track should not be a problem. It's just a screw in a t-slot. Scale should be fine, Kreg made it adjustable.

Yes, that's the contrarian I am.

Shane Holland · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2019, 01:57 PM »

Quote from: Svar on February 27, 2019, 01:51 PM

Yes, that's the contrarian I am.

@Svar, happy to be challenged. I'm just doing my best to share information, to the best of my ability.

One thing to note, even if you could attach another brand's rail to the Kreg table, is that the Kreg rail is 62" long. Just doing some quick measurements based on images, a 55" would not work on this table. It would be too short to reach from one side to the other of the table.

Svar · « **Reply #16 on:** February 27, 2019, 02:00 PM »

Quote from: Shane Holland on February 27, 2019, 01:57 PM

One thing to note, even if you could attach another brand's rail to the Kreg table, is that the Kreg rail is 62" long. Just doing some quick measurements based on images, a 55" would not work on this table. It would be too short to reach from one side to the other of the table.

Just cut your 5 meter long Festool track into 3 pieces. Problem solved!

Jozsef Kozma · « **Reply #17 on:** February 27, 2019, 02:16 PM »

Am l missing something or is my English this bad
I have a 75” festool rail wich could be “sacrificed “
if the table is as good as some say

Steven Owen · « **Reply #18 on:** February 27, 2019, 02:58 PM »

Quote from: Svar on February 27, 2019, 01:51 PM

Thanks Shane.
"you cannot use another brand's saw on the Kreg track because, as I recall, it would cut the track because it's wider than tracks from Festool, Makita, etc." - well, that's settles it.

However, attaching other track to the table or guides to the track should not be a problem. It's just a screw in a t-slot. Scale should be fine, Kreg made it adjustable.

Yes, that's the contrarian I am.

I had a gut feeling. Not using 20 mm dogs eliminates of very cool accessories on the market. I’m not a fan of all of the plastic used on accessories like the miter gauge either.

Kreg needs a higher end cordless Plunge Saw option. The rebadged Grizzly Track Saw isn’t really a huge selling point. You get a passable 1200 W track saw with a really nice table set-up which might be okay for plywood cuts. I can’t see this performing as well with 1 1/2 inch hardwood cuts.

Shane Holland · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2019, 02:33 PM »

A quick update for those asking about rail compatibility with the Kreg table. Apologies for the delay testing this out.

We have tested this table with Festool, Makita and Triton guide rails. The rails will mount to the brackets on the table using the T-slot on the bottom of the rail. Please note that you will need a minimum guide rail length of 62" for mounting on the long side of the table, or 32" for the short side of the table.

See attached photo to see how the brackets attach to guide rails. Note that with non-Kreg rails, the bracket does extend past the edge of the rail opposite the blade. This does not interfere with the cut in any way.

Shane

Steven Owen · « **Reply #20 on:** March 07, 2019, 11:08 PM »

Quote from: Shane Holland on March 07, 2019, 02:33 PM

A quick update for those asking about rail compatibility with the Kreg table. Apologies for the delay testing this out.

We have tested this table with Festool, Makita and Triton guide rails. The rails will mount to the brackets on the table using the T-slot on the bottom of the rail. Please note that you will need a minimum guide rail length of 62" for mounting on the long side of the table, or 32" for the short side of the table.

See attached photo to see how the brackets attach to guide rails. Note that with non-Kreg rails, the bracket does extend past the edge of the rail opposite the blade. This does not interfere with the cut in any way.

Shane

Festool would be the easiest to use since you have shorter guide rails and a 72 guide rail that could be used. Can the Kreg parallel guides work with the Festool rails?

Shane Holland · « **Reply #21 on:** March 08, 2019, 08:53 AM »

Quote from: Steven Owen on March 07, 2019, 11:08 PM

Festool would be the easiest to use since you have shorter guide rails and a 72 guide rail that could be used. Can the Kreg parallel guides work with the Festool rails?

@Steven Owen, yes, however I'd like to make it clear that these are made of plastic and not of the same quality as other options.

Steven Owen · « **Reply #22 on:** March 08, 2019, 01:09 PM »

Quote from: Shane Holland on March 08, 2019, 08:53 AM

Quote from: Steven Owen on March 07, 2019, 11:08 PM
Festool would be the easiest to use since you have shorter guide rails and a 72 guide rail that could be used. Can the Kreg parallel guides work with the Festool rails?

@Steven Owen, yes, however I'd like to make it clear that these are made of plastic and not of the same quality as other options.

The other options require 20 mm dogs to work. Kreg chose to go with 3/4 inch dogs. Most people will still be better off spending the extra money to buy a Festool MTF for Makita and Festool track saws.

The Kreg table come off as a better option for enthusiasts who don’t want to invest a huge amount of money into an MTF from Festool.

Svar · « **Reply #23 on:** March 08, 2019, 01:19 PM »

Chris Salomone just posted on his channel using Kreg Adaptive Cut System on a project. Not many details regarding KACS, but some closeup shots of it.

Steven Owen · « **Reply #24 on:** March 08, 2019, 02:14 PM »

Quote from: Svar on March 08, 2019, 01:19 PM

Chris Salomone just posted on his channel using Kreg Adaptive Cut System on a project. Not many details regarding KACS, but some closeup shots of it.

Chris is a pretty talented guy. There does appear to be some tear out on the walnut plywood in one of the shots. I’m not a huge fan of the number of plastic parts. I would’ve pereferd to see more aluminium on things like the miter gage.

Kafarn · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2019, 02:13 AM »

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

m. lindholm · « **Reply #26 on:** April 04, 2019, 12:48 PM »

Quote from: Kafarn on April 04, 2019, 02:13 AM

however I'm using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it)

Not to rub salt in the wound, but I'm curious...the FS 1900 was compatible as-is, it simply hung off the table edge by the additional 13 inches, right? Or a combination of the near and far ends, totaling 13 inches longer.

I saw this system at my local Acme Tools last night. Looked like a nice alternative system for those who can't fathom swallowing the cost of a TS55 and MFT. Whether it truly compares or not is another question, but having more options isn't a bad thing. I wonder if we'll be seeing this show up at Lowes anytime soon...they've already got several Kreg table and dog options.

Steven Owen · « **Reply #27 on:** April 06, 2019, 03:34 AM »

Quote from: Kafarn on April 04, 2019, 02:13 AM

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

Kreg did a great job on the table. It’s very puzzling why Kreg decided not to use the 20 mm standard for the PARF holes to maximize compatibility with a large number of accessories.

Bob D. · « **Reply #28 on:** April 06, 2019, 06:08 AM »

Quote from: Steven Owen on April 06, 2019, 03:34 AM

Quote from: Kafarn on April 04, 2019, 02:13 AM
I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

Kreg did a great job on the table. It’s very puzzling why Kreg decided not to use the 20 mm standard for the PARF holes to maximize compatibility with a large number of accessories.

Because they want you to buy their large number of 3/4" accessories not someone else's.

Steven Owen · « **Reply #29 on:** April 06, 2019, 04:54 PM »

Quote from: Bob D. on April 06, 2019, 06:08 AM

Quote from: Steven Owen on April 06, 2019, 03:34 AM
Quote from: Kafarn on April 04, 2019, 02:13 AM
I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

Kreg did a great job on the table. It’s very puzzling why Kreg decided not to use the 20 mm standard for the PARF holes to maximize compatibility with a large number of accessories.

Because they want you to buy their large number of 3/4" accessories not someone else's.

Accept the quality of some of their accessories for 3/4 inch dogs are passable at best. Maybe the folks at Woodpeckers, Axminister and other companies will come up with superior accessories on the 3/4 inch standard.

Kreg will likely have a larger number of home shop users than Festool. Their will be money to be made for third parties to offer alternatives.

I’d probably use the Makita cordless track saw and a Festool 75 inch rail on the table. I would never buy Kreg’s Track Grizzly rebranded Plunge saw.

Bob D. · « **Reply #30 on:** April 07, 2019, 06:54 AM »

"Accept [Except?] the quality of some of their accessories for 3/4 inch dogs are passable at best"

May be but the quality (or lack of) doesn't change my point, they want you to buy their accessories and making them different (3/4" vice 20mm) takes all those better quality dogs out of the running and leaves their 3/4" dogs and such as your only choice (or one of very few).

Steven Owen · « **Reply #31 on:** April 08, 2019, 11:55 PM »

Quote from: Bob D. on April 07, 2019, 06:54 AM

"Accept [Except?] the quality of some of their accessories for 3/4 inch dogs are passable at best"

May be but the quality (or lack of) doesn't change my point, they want you to buy their accessories and making them different (3/4" vice 20mm) takes all those better quality dogs out of the running and leaves their 3/4" dogs and such as your only choice (or one of very few).

This is big turn-off with Kreg’s Adaptive cut system. It would have been more attractive if it was built on an open system.

Kafarn · « **Reply #32 on:** April 16, 2019, 12:25 AM »

Quote from: Shane Holland on February 27, 2019, 01:36 PM

I asked the following questions before this system was publicly announced and here are the replies from Kreg:

Q: Is your guide rail (track) compatible with other brands of track saws?
A: No, the 62” Guide Track is designed for use with the Kreg Plunge Saw.

Q: Are the accessories, like the parallel guides and rip guides, compatible with other brands’ guide rails?
A: Kreg has designed these accessories for primary use with the Kreg 62” Guide Track and Kreg Plunge Saw.

Q: Can other brands of guide rails be attached to the project table?
A: No, the Project Table is designed for use with the Kreg 62” Guide Track and Kreg Plunge Saw

Q: What’s the diameter of the holes in the table, ¾” or 20mm?
A: The diameter of the holes in the table are ¾”

I asked Doug to check the demo unit when the rep came to the store. He said that you cannot use another brand's saw on the Kreg track because, as I recall, it would cut the track because it's wider than tracks from Festool, Makita, etc. Also, as I recall, you cannot attach another brands rail to the table with the stock brackets from Kreg. Doug is on vacation currently, so I cannot verify my memory of the compatibility.

Shane

Quote from: Kafarn on April 04, 2019, 02:13 AM

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I’m using a Festool TS 55 REQ on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it, but needed it shorter for mobility w/ the table) - then for a miter gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

txbonds · « **Reply #33 on:** July 12, 2019, 02:36 PM »

I’m late to this party but couldn’t the dog holes be reamed out slightly to 20MM? Seems like it would be easy enough to do in an mdf sacrificial top or am I missing something?

RobBob · « **Reply #34 on:** July 12, 2019, 03:08 PM »

I think Lee Valley has 3/4" dogs.

gilbreathprinciple · « **Reply #35 on:** February 22, 2020, 10:59 PM »

Quote from: Kafarn on April 04, 2019, 02:13 AM

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

The Festool Angle unit will slide into the kreg table tracks? What about the hinge/brackets from festool, would they work on the Kreg table? I like the fact that you can swing the track out of the way. With Kreg, it seems you need to move the track entirely if you need it out of the way.

Imemiter · « **Reply #36 on:** March 01, 2020, 01:11 PM »

I was looking for an MFT3 and saw one of these Kregs. The part that impressed me the most were the legs. They have a larger overall footprint than the MFT, almost four inches of height adjustment, diagonal brackets included, and sturdy wheeled storage assembly. The rest of the table didn't really do anything for me and the side rails wouldn't fit Festool clamps, so I bought the legs and bolted them onto a 55x34 piece of leftover MDO. Today I'm putting together an order of 8020 for the side rails and trying to choose between dog hole drilling methods.

Advice for anyone buying the legs separately: Take some measurements off an assembled table as the pdf instructions have no dimensions. That, or be prepared for a little head-scratching.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #37 on:** March 01, 2020, 03:10 PM »

Quote from: Imemiter on March 01, 2020, 01:11 PM

I was looking for an MFT3 and saw one of these Kregs. The part that impressed me the most were the legs. They have a larger overall footprint than the MFT, almost four inches of height adjustment, diagonal brackets included, and sturdy wheeled storage assembly. The rest of the table didn't really do anything for me and the side rails wouldn't fit Festool clamps, so I bought the legs and bolted them onto a 55x34 piece of leftover MDO. Today I'm putting together an order of 8020 for the side rails and trying to choose between dog hole drilling methods.

Advice for anyone buying the legs separately: Take some measurements off an assembled table as the pdf instructions have no dimensions. That, or be prepared for a little head-scratching.

@Imemiter thanks for posting this warning but since you’re already done the head scratching and figured out what to do, how about posting your findings?

Imemiter · « **Reply #38 on:** March 01, 2020, 08:33 PM »

Quote from: Michael Kellough on March 01, 2020, 03:10 PM

@Imemiter thanks for posting this warning but since you’re already done the head scratching and figured out what to do, how about posting your findings?

It was one of those things where I spent more time looking for dimensions than it took to figure it out. But the distance between the top bar of the leg frame and the uppermost pivot on the diagonal brace is best determined by folding the legs flat. Any longer or shorter and the assembly wouldn't fold. That was a huge duh on my part.

The top bar of the right side set of legs (with the hand truck handles) can go any distance from the tables edge, but the wheel side top bar needs to be set 3" from the inside of the edge rail. Though I'm waiting to install the wheels until I get the 8020 installed.

Depending on how much the whole thing weighs I may never install the wheels. This is going to be my shop center/outfeed table. It occurred to me that if the Kreg top and accessories were as nicely built as the legs, I'd probably have bought the whole thing. But here again, the dog sizes and side rail t-slot weren't going to work with my stuff and I'm already all stocked up on Makita rail. That said, I'm loving these legs!