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Offline greg mann

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2022, 10:00 PM »
My day job is related to industrial logistics, so I tend to read about this more than casually. I'd say that a joiner has all the strikes against it right now. Imported from Asia, large/heavy relative to its value, and has to ship to you via freight.

The last leg is the most impactfull, in the time it takes that truck/driver to make the delivery to you they could have moved and entire truckload of iPhones to a commercial destination.

Or I could be all wet.   [scratch chin]

RMW

You are not all wet at all, you are right on point. We machine castings that our customer is sourcing from Turkey and Germany. Shipping costs almost as much as the casting and considerably more than we get for machining it. Totally upside down.

Please don’t ask why we can’t get the casting here. It is along story and I didn’t have the stamina to write that much and your eyes will probably glaze over anyway.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2022, 04:52 AM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/354049974969?hash=item526f05e2b9:g:ZmsAAOSwdzZieALT
6" Delta for $250 located in Alexandria VA, looks like it needs a little TLC but otherwise viable. Even comes with a rolling base.

A little TLC, I'll say. I have that same jointer in my shop for 15 years and it looks much better than this. I am on the fence as to if it's worth changing the cutter out for a Shelix. I do use it enough that I think it would be worth it for the cut quality not the economy as I don't use it enough to go through more than one set of blades a year.

For me I have to apply the EOL evaluation. Will the investment pay me back before the end of my life.  [sad]
« Last Edit: May 27, 2022, 03:38 PM by Bob D. »
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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2022, 05:12 AM »
I owned a Delta 6” jointer for several years. Learned to replace blades as I had to do it often and always wore ear protection as the tool was loud. Always found 6” wasn’t enough for my projects.  Got smart and ordered. An 8” Powermatic with helical heads and a companion Powermatic wide bed planer also with helical heads.

Goodby to knives, noise, and 90 percent of the sanding. The wood comes off only needing touch up with 180 and 220.
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2022, 06:28 AM »
I'll put that as option C. Thanks for sharing.

I'd love to have my neighbors if he comes around. It's immaculate and I could strap it to a big dolly and wheel it to my shop.

I reached out to the woodworking guild president yesterday and he said he has one or two in storage and will take pictures next week. Sounds promising as I know him pretty well and he's a straight up person. Delta or powermatic but he wasn't positive. Bonus there would be here could probably help move and set it up. He's been after me for years to do a presentation on Festool/cabinetry.
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Offline Mini Me

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2022, 06:49 AM »
Clearvue Cyclones in Australia has shut the doors because freight costs have gone from $3000 to $13000 per shipment from the East Coast of the US. 

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2022, 06:55 AM »
Ive found it difficult to find parts for Delta equipment. Not impossible, just difficult 
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Offline kevinculle

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2022, 07:35 AM »
I have a Jet 6" jointer I bought new about 20 years ago...I think it was around $550 then.  It has served me well and I added a Shelix head which improved its capabilities substantially.  Other than one or two lightly chipped inserts that I have rotated, in 7 years I am still working on the 1st edge of the inserts.  I agree 6" can be limiting so when I have a project using wider stock I will have the mill I buy from skip plane one side, their 30" jointer easily covers my needs.  I think they charge $0.20 a BF for that so it's a no brainer.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2022, 09:19 AM »
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2022, 10:33 AM »
I watched a video on jointer restoration and it seems like it's more elbow grease than anything. That Delta on e-bay doesn't seem worth the effort, though. If it were a Jet or Powermatic I'd probably go get it.

Way off topic here, but a past version of myself when I had more free time I told a buddy I'd restore this engine for him on an old Yamaha from 1982 that looked like it was left in a puddle of mud for a decade:











I ended up stripping it all apart, replacing every bearing and cleaning it best I could. So while I'm capable of tackling a neglected jointer I don't think I want to unless the deal is too good to pass up.

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Offline rvieceli

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2022, 10:45 AM »
Matt you don’t want that be one. Takes up all the space of a 16 inch but only has a 12 inch head. I actually have that Oliver 166 with a 16 inch head. Love it. Mine and most of them were direct drive models where the motor armature is the shaft for the head.

There is an Oliver 166 with a 30 inch head in Columbus OH you should get. They don’t turn up very often.


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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2022, 11:01 AM »
Hey Ron I was just joking on that Oliver. I do not have the room or power to run something like that.
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2022, 11:30 AM »
 [tongue] [tongue] [tongue]

Ron

Offline afish

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Re: Jointers
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Offline Peter_C

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2022, 03:06 PM »
I ended up stripping it all apart, replacing every bearing and cleaning it best I could. So while I'm capable of tackling a neglected jointer I don't think I want to unless the deal is too good to pass up.

Matt
As someone who often rebuilt motorcycle engines I can say rebuilding a jointer is about 1/30th the amount of work. I do get if the deal is too good to pass up, which is what the Powermatic I got was. Might just take a little while on CL, FB, and Ebay, along with Gov auctions.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2022, 03:15 PM »
I should have bought the Dual Drum Sander. Sold this morning after them having 13 months.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2022, 03:48 PM »
I agree a 6" jointer is a teaser machine. I would have bought an 8" if I had the room to fit it. My shop is stuffed now and that's after I sold off a few things in the past 6 months (16" DP, 16x44 lathe, PM mortising machine, and some other stuff). Every other month I am tempted to sell the RAS but I'll never get more than $100 for it and it's worth more than that to me so I keep it.

I need a 10x16 shed I can stuff all my wood in then I could make loads of room.
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Offline festal

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2022, 09:50 AM »
I recently got Ridgid 6" from craigslist for $300.  I posted few pics here about my cleanup.  Had to drive from NJ to PA but it wasn't bad.  It cleaned up nicely and I upgraded to sheartak head.  Works great.   So for $600 all in its pretty decent setup.  It did take a while to find one.  Tomorrow I'm going to go look at Kity 637 model someone posted not too far.  its a 10" combo model, looks pretty interesting.  Not much info on it.  Only possible issue is that its cast aluminum table instead of cast iron, but asking price is not too bad 

Offline Peter Kelly

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2022, 11:10 AM »
Hope you brought cash, that Kity 637 is a really cool little machine.

Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2022, 01:31 PM »
I recently got Ridgid 6" from craigslist for $300.  I posted few pics here about my cleanup.  Had to drive from NJ to PA but it wasn't bad.  It cleaned up nicely and I upgraded to sheartak head.  Works great.   So for $600 all in its pretty decent setup.  It did take a while to find one.  Tomorrow I'm going to go look at Kity 637 model someone posted not too far.  its a 10" combo model, looks pretty interesting.  Not much info on it.  Only possible issue is that its cast aluminum table instead of cast iron, but asking price is not too bad

Some background on Kity.

https://machineatlas.com/guides/a-guide-to-kity-woodworking-machines/

« Last Edit: May 28, 2022, 01:36 PM by Bob D. »
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Offline festal

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2022, 01:40 PM »
I recently got Ridgid 6" from craigslist for $300.  I posted few pics here about my cleanup.  Had to drive from NJ to PA but it wasn't bad.  It cleaned up nicely and I upgraded to sheartak head.  Works great.   So for $600 all in its pretty decent setup.  It did take a while to find one.  Tomorrow I'm going to go look at Kity 637 model someone posted not too far.  its a 10" combo model, looks pretty interesting.  Not much info on it.  Only possible issue is that its cast aluminum table instead of cast iron, but asking price is not too bad

Some background on Kity.

https://machineatlas.com/guides/a-guide-to-kity-woodworking-machines/


Thank you. Found the video as well. He also upgraded his 636 to shelix which is nice. I’ll go check it out tomorrow and probably buy it . Seems to be in great condition.


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Offline festal

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2022, 07:33 AM »
Hope you brought cash, that Kity 637 is a really cool little machine.

Not sure if its happening.  Person keeps changing dates on me. 

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2022, 09:05 AM »
I recently got Ridgid 6" from craigslist for $300.  I posted few pics here about my cleanup.  Had to drive from NJ to PA but it wasn't bad.  It cleaned up nicely and I upgraded to sheartak head.  Works great.   So for $600 all in its pretty decent setup.  It did take a while to find one.  Tomorrow I'm going to go look at Kity 637 model someone posted not too far.  its a 10" combo model, looks pretty interesting.  Not much info on it.  Only possible issue is that its cast aluminum table instead of cast iron, but asking price is not too bad

@festal I'd probably bite on a Ridgid if I saw it in the condition of yours for $300. Jointers are pretty simple machines I just would prefer one with a cabinet and as small of a footprint as possible with a built in mobile base like the Jet offers. Plenty of people satisfied with that Ridgid and if I had to buy one new that's probably the one I'd go for as it isn't crazy expensive.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2022, 10:55 AM »
@DynaGlide , are you still looking? Here's an 8" in SE PA and another 8 incher (Delta Dj20) in Philly.

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2022, 01:31 PM »
@DynaGlide What the heck happened to the stator on that poor motorcycle? It looks like someone threw it in a river to put that fire out!?
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Offline DynaGlide

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« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2022, 04:00 PM »
@DynaGlide What the heck happened to the stator on that poor motorcycle? It looks like someone threw it in a river to put that fire out!?

And left it there until I took it over.
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Offline DynaGlide

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« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2022, 08:18 PM »
Well....#$&#. Missed a Bridge wood 8 inch in great shape for 450. He said he'd hold it until Friday but you know how that goes. Someone showed up and cleaned him out.
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Offline festal

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« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2022, 08:20 PM »
Well....#$&#. Missed a Bridge wood 8 inch in great shape for 450. He said he'd hold it until Friday but you know how that goes. Someone showed up and cleaned him out.
Offer hold deposit. Then it makes it serious. As a seller, I had so many people promise to pick it up in few days and flake out so deposit definitely helps


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Offline DynaGlide

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« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2022, 08:24 PM »
Well....#$&#. Missed a Bridge wood 8 inch in great shape for 450. He said he'd hold it until Friday but you know how that goes. Someone showed up and cleaned him out.
Offer hold deposit. Then it makes it serious. As a seller, I had so many people promise to pick it up in few days and flake out so deposit definitely helps


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I don't think this guy would've mattered. He just wanted stuff gone.
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Offline festal

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2022, 08:25 PM »
Well....#$&#. Missed a Bridge wood 8 inch in great shape for 450. He said he'd hold it until Friday but you know how that goes. Someone showed up and cleaned him out.
Offer hold deposit. Then it makes it serious. As a seller, I had so many people promise to pick it up in few days and flake out so deposit definitely helps


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I don't think this guy would've mattered. He just wanted stuff gone.
Ah ye. I noticed this too. If an awesome deal comes along, you have to jump on it asap.  Friend of mine picked up 12” laguna combo from 2013 for $1500 recently and deposit worked. Seller held it for a week


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Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: Jointers
« Reply #59 on: June 05, 2022, 05:17 AM »
I think I'd be looking at old iron. More bang for your buck.

This.

I’m in the UK - 3 years ago, I chanced upon a Wadkin BER2 spindle moulder dating from 1973, complete with a fully-rebuilt shaft and new bearings all to comply with modern safety standards, plus a recently-rewound motor. It had come out of a small commercial backstreet joinery shop who had won a big supply contract and had upgraded to CNC. It cost me £300 (they just wanted rid of it) and it still works as well as the day it was built. The whole thing’s one massive lump of iron, the weight is insane. Needed a flatbed truck with an onboard crane and a forklift to move it.
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